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False Writer
05-11-16, 01:19 PM
Hi guys
Hey Cole, welcome back!
What does everyone think about this idea for a Countdown?
The MoFo 100 Guilty Pleasures Countdown
The idea is that it's a countdown -- and since it's my idea, it's a Sexy Celebrity countdown, which means IDEALLY it wouldn't take a long time to do -- but it's not one where you have to watch a bunch of movies and eventually send in a list of 25 films.
You would just have to send in ONE movie that you consider a "guilty pleasure" of yours. And you could send in a little write-up about it that will be posted when the movie is revealed during the countdown.
100 different MoFos could send in one movie to be included in this countdown. Every movie has to be different. And hopefully the powers-that-be make this an official list you can check off. I figure it's a way people could get at least one movie they love onto an official MoFo list. A movie that might not otherwise make such a list in any other way. You just have to pick a movie and call it your "guilty pleasure" movie. It doesn't necessarily have to be a bad movie... it could be anything.... but PREFERABLY it's something not already on a list and it's something you really love.
How I would present this countdown after I've received 100 different movies.... not 100% decided on that. It could be presented in the order I received them (first one is #1, last movie is #100). It could be in alphabetical order by movie title. Whatever. It just wouldn't, of course, be ranked by points because it's a different kind of countdown.
Thoughts?
I'm not sure I'd wanna do it... but I had this idea and thought I'd get it out there. If I don't do it, someone else could, if people like it.
I'll be down for this.
Sexy Celebrity
05-11-16, 03:05 PM
I have made a thread for it --
MoFo 100 Guilty Pleasures (http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?p=1511785)
It's happening -- provided I get 100 movies.
What's he been doing the rest of the week? ;)
Haha. Ha.
Derek Vinyard
05-12-16, 01:28 AM
I watch The Witch right now and wow the score, soundtracks and sound mixing are awesome.
the witch was practically black and white
Had to delete that post because I sounded silly.
i must've just missed it.
I'd love to write something like The Witch.
I'd love to develop a love of horror... I think i could be great at it. If my abduction script is any indication.
I just need to write more in general. And plan dates further in advance to shoot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9LfstQDwus
Aye aye!
I want Death Grips to influence all my art.
I think I just overcame my writer's block. Righteous.
Godoggo
05-12-16, 12:52 PM
Congrats Swan, That's sooooooooooooooo frustrating. I've been there many times.
Mr Minio
05-12-16, 12:57 PM
I want Death Grips to influence all my art. Tip: Put GUILLOTINE randomly in your movie script/song lyrics. EASY!
This really does sound like Alt J
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlBskd3IaNw
Taking a symbolic logic class this semester. Boogie. Thought you all should know.
http://media.veryfunnypics.eu/2013/10/funny-pics-why-to-keep-the-beard.jpg
Always a relevant image when I shave my beard^
Always a relevant image when I shave my beard^
https://media.giphy.com/media/3o85xzl5JXRxGJAI0w/giphy.gif
I already did. I was having shave-my-beard anxiety.
Oh well. It'll grow back.
So you shaved it off completely? Im about to shave and go full on Baby Huey too after its over. Beards are manly! :)
I had to shave mine because of the allergies I was telling you guys about the other day. It just makes it worse. But it's already starting to grow back so it's all good!
Mr Minio
05-12-16, 07:38 PM
http://sovietmoviesonline.com/en/all_movies.html
Quick, watch whatever you want, because something's telling me the site will be down pretty soon.
That site looks great.
Thanks Mr Minio :)
Going to a social gathering for young adults for NAMI today, kind of wish I didn't shave my beard now, OH WELL! SPAGETT!
You guys need to wish me luck, I'm not superstitious, just a little stitious, and it's Friday the 13th.
Cole416
05-13-16, 09:39 AM
1370 SAT... One more and I really think I'll have a score that's top 25% of UT. I'm really excited
Good job Cole and good luck to Swan. :)
Daniel M
05-13-16, 10:18 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJsG9i2y-MU
Mr Minio
05-13-16, 07:45 PM
Hello, my name's Sydney Canberra. I live in Melbourne, but I was born in Perth. Please, meet my wife - Alice Springs. She's from Adelaide.
Cole416
05-13-16, 07:55 PM
Will I lose enjoyment on Civil War if I havent seen any other Captain America movie or the 2nd avengers?
None looked interesting and I didn't like the 1st avengers but I have a slight interest in this.
Will I lose enjoyment on Civil War if I havent seen any other Captain America movie or the 2nd avengers?
None looked interesting and I didn't like the 1st avengers but I have a slight interest in this.
You won't be lost but they do tie pretty heavily together. Also, if those don't interest you then this one shouldn't either.
Sitting waiting for Money Monster to start. I think I'm the only person that is excited for this movie.
rauldc14
05-14-16, 02:04 AM
Man it kills me when people choose the wrong path in this life...
Good day. Nay, great day. NAY, legendary day!
Derek Vinyard
05-14-16, 02:16 AM
Finally got a call for my job of Security Guard!! About d*mn time :p
PS: I godd*mn happy :D
Chypmunk
05-14-16, 02:18 AM
Congrats Derek!!
Derek Vinyard
05-14-16, 02:40 AM
Thanks Chyp :) !
Finally got a call for my job of Security Guard!! About d*mn time :p
PS: I godd*mn happy :D
:up::up:
honeykid
05-14-16, 09:59 AM
Congrats Derek. :) When do you start?
Mr Minio
05-14-16, 10:02 AM
As a security guard you work 15h every second day and earn very little in Poland.
Something's been on my mind for the last couple of days and I would really like to hear what you guys have to say about this. How important is it to you that your significant other has similar taste to you? I always thought of how great it would be to meet somebody who likes the same music and the same films that I enjoy. Sometimes I feel like it wouldn't matter but I can't imagine going out with someone who likes Nickelback for example...
Hope I didn't give the impression that I actually have a love life from that last post. I don't. :D
Something's been on my mind for the last couple of days and I would really like to hear what you guys have to say about this. How important is it to you that your significant other has similar taste to you? I always thought of how great it would be to meet somebody who likes the same music and the same films that I enjoy. Sometimes I feel like it wouldn't matter but I can't imagine going out with someone who likes Nickelback for example...
Theres no rhyme or reason to that stuff man. The best thing you could do for yourself is make sure he/she will be your best friend. Mickey Rooney was married a bunch of times, but his last wife he was married to her over 40 years. They asked him on a talk show what is the secret since hes seen both sides. He said he married his best friend. Her friendship filled all the dull times out, the passion will always ebb, but the frienship is what carries them through, and its more effortless.
mistique
05-14-16, 05:01 PM
Aphex: I think it's great to have things in common, it definitely helps. But your taste will always differ on some points and it really doesn't matter if you like the person.
Aphex: I think it's great to have things in common, it definitely helps. But your taste will always differ on some points and it really doesn't matter if you like the person.
But what if your taste is so different you actually argue over it or make fun of one another.
But what if your taste is so different you actually argue over it or make fun of one another.
When they make fun of you does it bother you, or vice versa?
But what if your taste is so different you actually argue over it or make fun of one another.
I can tell you I had two or three drag outs about flippin Jersey Shore. :D My wife and I had very different movie and TV taste. It really wasn't that important though. We mostly enjoyed the discourse, despite Jersey Shore and a couple of others. I can tell you one thing, I would have been watching Fellini and Bergman late at night by my lonesome if I had been watching such things then. I did marry my best friend BTW, that doesn't always work out either, even after 14 years.
When they make fun of you does it bother you, or vice versa?
If somebody makes fun of something I like just for the sake of making a funny joke, I don't mind at all. If it is just to hurt me or make me feel bad then yes, it would bother me.
If somebody makes fun of something I like just for the sake of making a funny joke, I don't mind at all. If it is just to hurt me or make me feel bad then yes, it would bother me.
Well, when he/she does it, does it bother you? It doesnt matter if being bothered makes sense or not, if it does it does. If it doesnt then youre probably ok. ;) Btw, I have no idea what Im talking about :nope:
Well, when he/she does it, does it bother you? It doesnt matter if being bothered makes sense or not, if it does it does. If it doesnt then youre probably ok. ;) Btw I have no idea what Im talking about :nope:
Man, I'm not seeing anyone so I don't know. :p But just as an example, when my friend makes fun of me it doesn't bother me because he is really funny.
Most of your post makes no sense to me. :lol:
Miss Vicky
05-14-16, 05:34 PM
How important is it to you that your significant other has similar taste to you?
Music and movies are pretty important to me, so I'd probably take it into pretty big consideration. Just how important of an issue it would be I think it would really depend on how drastically different the tastes are and also on how willing the other person would be to give what I like a chance.
I'd rank overall personality, political views, and how they feel about my pets as more important than taste.
Mr Minio
05-14-16, 08:17 PM
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mistique
05-14-16, 08:25 PM
Aphex: If someone makes fun of another person's taste in music etc. I think it's just very immature. Of course if it's just as a joke then that's fine. But if it's mean spirited, why would you even be together with such a person? My boyfriend and I do share taste in some things, but of course not everything. But we don't make fun of each other. It sounds pointless to do so.
Mr Minio
05-14-16, 08:43 PM
Music and movies are pretty important to me, so I'd probably take it into pretty big consideration. Joaquin Phoenix hater wouldn't even be taken into consideration, right?
I'd rank overall personality, political views, and how they feel about my pets as more important than taste. Political views is something I wouldn't care about, but then again I'd rather be with somebody who doesn't care about politics just like me, so all in all it would matter, paradoxically! Personality is a must, of course. I don't have pets, so this point does not apply to me. But of course I couldn't be with a doggone plebian listenin' to radio pop and watching Transformers, or somebody who hates my loveliest movies by Tarkovsky, Bergman and Tarr. Somebody who doesn't know these geniuses wouldn't be taken seriously and would be considered a lower human being, as well. Besides, a girl not listening to at least 20 bands/artists I love is an instant turn off, as well. Any girl I would rate below 8 on a 10-step scale is an instant no, too. And mind you this scale rates both her looks and her personality. Only a girl with a double 10 is a possible wife material. Any other should be eternally grateful I even want to speak to her. Yeah, I still don't have a girlfriend and wondering why.
Miss Vicky
05-14-16, 08:48 PM
Joaquin Phoenix hater wouldn't even be taken into consideration, right?
It would depend on how respectful they are of my fanhood.
Political views is something I wouldn't care about
When I say "political views," basically I mean if someone's a homophobe, a racist, or a religious zealot, it's a dealbreaker for me. Actually, being a Trump supporter would probably be a dealbreaker too.
Mr Minio
05-14-16, 08:55 PM
Oh, this. Personally, I'm a heterophobe and unreligious zealot. I'm not too racist, I prefer to take it easy and just stroll.
My Dad and my brother make fun of me sometimes, and it's really annoying and ignorant. But I was talking to someone about it and they made me realise something that I never thought of before. It has to do with their insecurities. So I think now I'm trying to look past the insults to why they do it and empathise with them. I know they love me and they aren't doing it because they hate me, it's just they feel so crappy about themselves that they try to bring me down sometimes to elevate themselves.
I do it to other people too. I get mad at people for having what I perceive to be bad taste, and I criticise them for it. And it's like... why do I do it? Why do I care if other people don't share my taste, or have what I consider inferior taste or undeveloped taste? It's like I have a desire to force other people to change. And sometimes I catch myself just imposing my current level of understanding as if I've always had that level of understanding even though I just acquired it...
gbgoodies
05-15-16, 01:40 AM
Something's been on my mind for the last couple of days and I would really like to hear what you guys have to say about this. How important is it to you that your significant other has similar taste to you? I always thought of how great it would be to meet somebody who likes the same music and the same films that I enjoy. Sometimes I feel like it wouldn't matter but I can't imagine going out with someone who likes Nickelback for example...
It just depends on what's really important to you. Hubby and I have very different tastes in music. He likes hard rock and heavy metal, but I like country, easy listening and showtunes. We compromise when we're in the car, and we listen to soft rock.
For movies, he likes action movies, like Die Hard and Lethal Weapon, but I like musicals and rom-coms, but when we sit down to watch a movie, we try to find movies that we can both enjoy. I started watching the superhero movies because of him, and I've enjoyed many of them, including the X-Men movies, the Avengers movies, etc. Some of them have become favorite movies for me. He started watching some animated movies because of me, and he likes some of those, including the Despicable Me movies, Wreck-It-Ralph, and many of the Pixar movies.
We watch a lot of TV shows together, but there are some shows that I like that he has no interest in, so I watch those without him, and he loves WWE, so he watches wrestling without me.
It's all about respecting each others differences, and learning to compromise. When we go out, there are lots of things that we enjoy doing together, so we spend most of our time together. I go places that he likes because they're his interests, and he does the same for me. We recently celebrated our 17th anniversary, and even though we have our differences, we're still best friends.
I love your new avatar, Swan :)
I love your new avatar, Swan :)
Thanks man.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oWrGd7a-IQ
I want a full version.
Better than the original.
M'lady, you have got to be inhaling the fumes of that evil substance, not very nice!
- MC Ride in the 1800's tho
Nope1172
05-16-16, 12:57 AM
3,000 Posts!
http://66.media.tumblr.com/f2b2fe3435b13b6d92f44cced9dd9c08/tumblr_nomr17FFSt1tym3lfo1_400.gif
I hit 10000 a few days ago as well guys :D
You guys just want rep!
So do you!
I couldn't care less about rep!
I couldn't care less about rep!
Give me all your rep then.
If I could I would. Maybe Yoda can.
If I could I would. Maybe Yoda can.
Yeah, i don't want your rep :p. Would end up getting rep for very weird stuff, somehow weirder than what i already get rep for ;)
Well. That was the most awkward call I've ever made in my life.
What happened with Aphex, unless he was talking about us?
What happened with Aphex, unless he was talking about us?
I know but you forgot to say what before happened, so I said it for you.
Just some stupid guy with anger issues.
I know but you forgot to say what before happened, so I said it for you.
Oh yeah, thanks man. Aphex must have been so confused there :D
I'm so disappointed. I thought he was cool. You know when you think someone's cool but then they disappoint you? It's so... disappointing.
I'm so disappointed. I thought he was cool. You know when you think someone's cool but then they disappoint you? It's so... disappointing.
That must be disappointing.
Derek Vinyard
05-16-16, 04:09 AM
Observe And Report is hilarious!! I love that flick
Mr Minio
05-16-16, 06:52 AM
I do it to other people too. I get mad at people for having what I perceive to be bad taste, and I criticise them for it. And it's like... why do I do it? Why do I care if other people don't share my taste, or have what I consider inferior taste or undeveloped taste? It's like I have a desire to force other people to change. And sometimes I catch myself just imposing my current level of understanding as if I've always had that level of understanding even though I just acquired it... Because teaching plebs is the duty of every elitist!
matt72582
05-16-16, 10:58 AM
I think it is the duty of everyone who loves something to spread it - to give it a chance, and they can do whatever they want with it.
honeykid
05-16-16, 12:29 PM
I'm so disappointed. I thought he was cool. You know when you think someone's cool but then they disappoint you? It's so... disappointing.
Observe And Report is hilarious!! I love that flick
Yeah. I know that feeling.
:D
My heart is so full right now, and it's full of Death Grips! They bring me so much happiness, energy, and chaos! Aye aye!
These are the classes I'm taking next semester
Persian Language I
Historiography
World History since 1300
Introduction to Ethics
Classical Arabic Poetry I
I'm excited :D
matt72582
05-16-16, 06:07 PM
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Xpo0TbBOL._SL1000_.jpg
I play all the instruments (no drum machine, no computers, just a microphone)... I produced it myself - absolutely no one was involved except me. I've made 2 CD's in the last 10 years because it takes quite a long time, especially if you've written books, plays, etc...
I know paying money for music sounds silly to some people, but if you're only income is from artistic stuff, someone like me depends on it.
But, if you are on the verge of homelessness and want to listen, I could e-mail you a song or two for free.
http://www.amazon.com/East-Meets-West-Matt-Selou/dp/B01FRFPVME
Mr Minio
05-16-16, 06:09 PM
Persian Language I Farsi?
What's your major?
Farsi?
What's your major?
Yes, Farsi. I'm a history major with a focus on Middle Eastern history. You can choose to learn Turkish or Farsi. So if you are taking classes on Turkish or Persian history, it becomes useful. I chose Farsi because I love the language and because I learned a little bit of Turkish in high school.
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Xpo0TbBOL._SL1000_.jpg
I play all the instruments (no drum machine, no computers, just a microphone)... I produced it myself - absolutely no one was involved except me. I've made 2 CD's in the last 10 years because it takes quite a long time, especially if you've written books, plays, etc...
I know paying money for music sounds silly to some people, but if you're only income is from artistic stuff, someone like me depends on it.
But, if you are on the verge of homelessness and want to listen, I could e-mail you a song or two for free.
http://www.amazon.com/East-Meets-West-Matt-Selou/dp/B01FRFPVME
Wow you make your entire living from art?
That's awesome.
Music, books and plays. Do you market everything yourself?
Using computers for music is BAD!!!!!!
*Goes and makes some more experimental industrial music in Ableton*
So the Death Grips concert I went to is on YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqY1a7fBLWA
Sexy Celebrity
05-17-16, 12:59 AM
So the Death Grips concert I went to is on YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqY1a7fBLWA
Then you didn't have to go to it. You could have stayed home and saved money.
Then you didn't have to go to it. You could have stayed home and saved money.
That kind of mentality is what keeps people stuck inside. ;)
I love going to concerts. The only western band I've seen live was Gorillaz in Syria, 2010. It was a great night.
I hope to see Death Grips someday.
I love going to concerts. The only western band I've seen live was Gorillaz in Syria, 2010. It was a great night.
I hope to see Death Grips someday.
See, Sexy and whoever repped him is absolutely wrong. There is no comparison going to a concert vs. watching it on YouTube. The music was incredible, and it was an energetic, head-banging good time, and nothing beats doing that kinda stuff with your peeps. Obviously, you understand this. :)
Derek Vinyard
05-17-16, 01:25 AM
Then you didn't have to go to it. You could have stayed home and saved money.
nope.... watching a show live and on youtube is far from being the same thing... I cannot wait for Red Hot Chili Peppers, Rammstein and Billy Talent this summer. It's gonna be so freakin awesome.
Derek Vinyard
05-17-16, 01:25 AM
See, Sexy and whoever repped him is absolutely wrong. There is no comparison going to a concert vs. watching it on YouTube. The music was incredible, and it was an energetic, head-banging good time, and nothing beats doing that kinda stuff with your peeps. Obviously, you understand this. :)
you're godd*mn right.
nope.... watching a show live and on youtube is far from being the same thing... I cannot wait for Red Hot Chili Peppers, Rammstein and Billy Talent this summer. It's gonna be so freakin awesome.
Dude, you're seeing Rammstein? That's f*cking awesome! I know how much you like those other two as well, sounds like you're in for a treat man.
Derek Vinyard
05-17-16, 01:30 AM
Dude, you're seeing Rammstein? That's f*cking awesome! I know how much you like those other two as well, sounds like you're in for a treat man.
yeah 3 bands I always want to see live and this summer it's finally happening :D One of my friend see Rammstein live one time and he said that it was the show of his life! It's literally going to be the best summer of my life with 3 of my close friends
yeah 3 bands I always want to see live and this summer it's finally happening :D One of my friend see Rammstein live one time and he said that it was the show of his life! It's literally going to be the best summer of my life with 3 of my close friends
You can't replicate those kinds of events. Have fun dude.
See, Sexy and whoever repped him is absolutely wrong. There is no comparison going to a concert vs. watching it on YouTube. The music was incredible, and it was an energetic, head-banging good time, and nothing beats doing that kinda stuff with your peeps. Obviously, you understand this. :)
I repped him :lol:
Dammit, Aphex!
I agree with you but he's funny :D
I agree with you but he's funny :D
Well, fair enough. I can't argue with that.
I'm constantly worried about sounding like an idiot whenever I speak or in this case, type in English.
Your english is very good, bro.
Derek Vinyard
05-17-16, 02:14 AM
better than mine!! :p
Thank you but it's not at the level that I want it to be. I sometimes have to write a sentence over and over again until I feel like it makes sense or sounds right. Sometimes I refrain from saying anything at all because I feel like I can't express myself accurately. That can be frustrating.
Derek Vinyard
05-17-16, 02:18 AM
Thank you but it's not at the level that I want it to be. I sometimes have to write a sentence over and over again until I feel like it makes sense or sounds right. Sometimes I refrain from saying anything at all because I feel like I can't express myself accurately. That can be frustrating.
I know that feeling
Miss Vicky
05-17-16, 02:27 AM
Thank you but it's not at the level that I want it to be. I sometimes have to write a sentence over and over again until I feel like it makes sense or sounds right. Sometimes I refrain from saying anything at all because I feel like I can't express myself accurately. That can be frustrating.
Your English is much better than that of some of the people that post here from English speaking countries. ***coughcoughnedstark09coughcough*** Also, struggling to accurately express yourself in text and rewriting sentences is something a lot of us probably struggle with. I know I do.
I think you're doing very well.
Captain Spaulding is master in that department.
Chypmunk
05-17-16, 04:39 AM
nope.... watching a show live and on youtube is far from being the same thing... I cannot wait for Red Hot Chili Peppers, Rammstein and Billy Talent this summer. It's gonna be so freakin awesome.
Rammstein are absolutely ace live, lots and lots of lovely fire to augment the music :) - soooo glad Till decided not to hang up his boots yet like he was thinking about. Enjoy!!
honeykid
05-17-16, 10:12 AM
Live music sucks. There'. I said it.
Miss Vicky
05-17-16, 11:06 AM
Live music sucks. There'. I said it.
Depends on who you're seeing.
matt72582
05-17-16, 11:54 AM
Live music sucks. There'. I said it.
Most live music sucks.. But not the ones I see - Eagles, Neil Young, Steely Dan (just last summer), but I do know in a few years, all the concerts will be junk as the greats are already dead, dying, or retiring.
AboveTheClouds
05-17-16, 12:11 PM
Small intimate venues packed with fans > Large arenas packed with idiots.
Most live music can at least be an entertaining experience, even if the music is not so good. My city has an arena that's the strangest shape imaginable and thus has the worst acoustics possible essentially. We've had bands skip us entirely and play every other venue around us for this reason, and whenever a band does play here, there are always complaints about acoustics and feedback. But being in a small smoky club with a hundred other people who also love that band, is a one of a kind experience.
Most live music sucks.. But not the ones I see - Eagles, Neil Young, Steely Dan (just last summer), but I do know in a few years, all the concerts will be junk as the greats are already dead, dying, or retiring.
I feel very sorry for you, Matt.
Honestly so do I. There's so much great new music, Matt. You're just probably listening to the wrong stuff.
Or maybe you just don't want to find great new music. Maybe you're one of those people who say things like "I was born in the wrong decade! I wish I could go back to when music was actually good!"
Matt is one of the guys who believes electronic music is just pressing a button. Like, there's a magic electronic music button out there that you press and it plays a new electronic song each time. And obviously, this button comes in all different styles. You can even get one custom made!
But yeah, no talent or something.
My favorite band is from the 90s. Bush.
But they got back together a few years ago and I was able to see them in concert.
It was great! They're coming to baltimore soon but I didn't buy a ticket.
It's at pier 6 - an outdoor city venue - so I may take my dog down to baltimore and listen from across the block :)
I can rock out with Vladimir instead of strangers.
I can't see Gavin sing but I felt super awkward last time we made eye contact and then I think he avoided me when he went into the crowd :lol:
I had posted on his facebook wall that he was mispronouncing respite in a song and then he changed his entire facebook so nobody could ever post on it again. Is it crazy to think he recognized me, i felt like he did. obviously i bothered him enough to stop interacting with his fans on facebook.
Matt is one of the guys who believes electronic music is just pressing a button. Like, there's a magic electronic music button out there that you press and it plays a new electronic song each time. And obviously, this button comes in all different styles. You can even get one custom made!
But yeah, no talent or something.
I know a guy who really loves electronic music. Someone once told him something like what you just said. That electronic music requires no talent. They got into a physical fight over it.
I know a guy who really loves electronic music. Someone once told him something like what you just said. That electronic music requires no talent. They got into a physical fight over it.
:up:
Matt is one of the guys who believes electronic music is just pressing a button. Like, there's a magic electronic music button out there that you press and it plays a new electronic song each time. And obviously, this button comes in all different styles. You can even get one custom made!
But yeah, no talent or something.
The machine does not play itself :nope: Alot of folks need to realize with electronica, it actually makes it much harder to learn and master because of so many options.
Got The Witch on blu-ray and it has a commentary by Robert Eggers. Awwwww yeah.
matt72582
05-18-16, 11:12 AM
I saw over 50 bands/artists that I love since 2000 - I didn't have much to do with when I was born... I've heard a ton of stuff, it's awful, why would I keep banging my head with a hammer when I'm constantly finding great 60s and 70s, and I can't deal with fake drums, or pro-toolz, or auto-tune, no way, makes me want the Earth to explode sometimes and hope the new organisms have no idea what they are.
It's fine if your not into certain kinds of music Matt, my problem is you make modern music or any music using electronics/computers seem somehow inferior to music of the past when such a notion is absolutely ridiculous. What's even worse is the idea that it's talentless. I still haven't seen you make a song using a DAW and only the plug-ins of a DAW, and have it be anything worthwhile. Make an electronic song as good as Aphex Twin, Boards of Canada or Autechre. Then you can rag on their music. Of course, you will never be able to because they are musical geniuses.
matt72582
05-18-16, 11:25 AM
It's fine if your not into certain kinds of music Matt, my problem is you make modern music or any music using electronics/computers seem somehow inferior to music of the past when such a notion is absolutely ridiculous. What's even worse is the idea that it's talentless. I still haven't seen you make a song using a DAW and only the plug-ins of a DAW, and have it be anything worthwhile. Make an electronic song as good as Aphex Twin, Boards of Canada or Autechre. Then you can rag on their music. Of course, you will never be able to because they are musical geniuses.
It is inferior. Pushing buttons is not genius. It's awful noise. I heard it before. There's a lot of 30's music I can't stand either, and some music by bands I like. I don't follow trends, just my own self.
Again, you think that because you don't understand it and have never done it yourself. A lot more is involved than simply "pressing buttons". I repeat: try it yourself, and if you indeed can make something amazing, then you can rag on it. Until then you're just saying a bunch of uninformed, close-minded BS.
matt72582
05-18-16, 11:59 AM
Again, you think that because you don't understand it and have never done it yourself. A lot more is involved than simply "pressing buttons". I repeat: try it yourself, and if you indeed can make something amazing, then you can rag on it. Until then you're just saying a bunch of uninformed, close-minded BS.
Sounds like whoever doesn't agree with you "doesn't get it".. That's BS.
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Whatever you say, Matt. Whatever you say.
Again, you think that because you don't understand it and have never done it yourself. A lot more is involved than simply "pressing buttons". I repeat: try it yourself, and if you indeed can make something amazing, then you can rag on it. Until then you're just saying a bunch of uninformed, close-minded BS.
Couldn't agree more with this and everything else you've said here. You should actually learn what making this music involves and try it yourself Matt, before insulting people much more talented than you'll ever be. Sorry for being blunt but your posts here have been ridiculous.
matt72582
05-18-16, 12:23 PM
Couldn't agree more with this and everything else you've said here. You should actually learn what making this music involves and try it yourself Matt, before insulting people much more talented than you'll ever be. Sorry for being blunt but your posts here have been ridiculous.
I do make my own music... No computer necessary. I'm almost 34, and have spent 23 years playing.
He meant you should learn what making electronic music involves before you rag on it, not music in general. Simply put, there is way more going on than you give it credit for.
Miss Vicky
05-18-16, 12:26 PM
I do make my own music... No computer necessary. I'm almost 34, and have spent 23 years playing.
He clearly said "making this music" - as in the electronic music you were bashing - not music in general.
He meant you should learn what making electronic music involves before you rag on it, not music in general. Simply put, there is way more going on than you give it credit for.
Yeah, exactly. If you don't like electronic music then you don't like it, as long as you've gave it a decent shot that is fine because everyone has some type of music they just don't like. My problem is that you are reducing an art form into "pushing buttons" which is incredibly insulting both to the people who work hard to make this music and the people who listen to and enjoy it.
matt72582
05-18-16, 12:29 PM
I've made electronic music for a friend's soundtrack, so I know very well... I play all the instruments, I do everything myself, produce, mix, etc etc., trust me, I know...
And speaking of giving chances, I'd ask you to give my music a chance, but it might be met with hostility for different reasons.
I've made electronic music for a friend's soundtrack, so I know very well... I play all the instruments, I do everything myself, produce, mix, etc etc., trust me, I know...
And speaking of giving chances, I'd ask you to give my music a chance, but it might be met with hostility for different reasons.
Somehow I don't believe you, if you really believe after doing so that it is just pushing buttons.
And if it is just pushing buttons, so is playing an electronic keyboard, which you do. I mean honestly, what's the difference between that and a midi controller aside from the fact that you can do way more experimentation with a midi controller?
Miss Vicky
05-18-16, 12:33 PM
And speaking of giving chances, I'd ask you to give my music a chance, but it might be met with hostility for different reasons.
Post some songs.
Well like any music there are different levels of difficulty and skills involved. I don't know exactly what your electronic music entailed, but it can be an extremely complex process to make great electronic music. You calling it "pushing buttons" really does make it seem like you are only familiar with the most elementary electronic music, i mean it would be like me saying your drumming just involves you hitting a drum with a stick but we both know that good drumming is not something easy to do just like electronic stuff.
I watched your video of you playing in Thailand or something, it was fine, not trying to insult your music.
Matt, if you have made something as good as Aphex Twin or Autechre, I will bow down before you like you are a god. I just don't think you have.
I don't think I am very good yet, but I have come a long way since I started using Ableton. It's taken almost two years to get where I'm at, and I still have a long way to go. So it's insulting to have someone tell me I'm just "pushing buttons" when I can spend so much time working on a single song.
matt72582
05-18-16, 12:36 PM
Well like any music there are different levels of difficulty and skills involved. I don't know exactly what your electronic music entailed, but it can be an extremely complex process to make great electronic music. You calling it "pushing buttons" really does make it seem like you are only familiar with the most elementary electronic music, i mean it would be like me saying your drumming just involves you hitting a drum with a stick but we both know that good drumming is not something easy to do just like electronic stuff.
I watched your video of you playing in Thailand or something, it was fine, not trying to insult your music.
I wouldn't even call that music (hitting buckets) - I'm talking actual music I've published on Amazon, though a few songs are on youtube.
I was just using that as an example. I respect what you do and understand it is not easy just like you should with what Autechre, Aphex Twin to use Swans examples do.
Miss Vicky
05-18-16, 12:39 PM
I wouldn't even call that music (hitting buckets).
For a musician, you have a very narrow idea of what music is.
matt72582
05-18-16, 12:42 PM
For a musician, you have a very narrow idea of what music is.
I guess you didn't get it... Look, I've played all kinds of music with people from continents all over.. I've used and have instruments from all over the world.. All kinds of rhythms, melodies, scales, etc.. I think context is lost... I'll let you guys continue to defend whatever you want.
Matt, no one said you're not an experienced musician who has traveled all over performing music. You can do all that and still have a narrow view of music. Someone could be amazing at guitar and yet think guitar is the only instrument worth anything and the only expression of music out there. Of course, they'd be wrong.
Miss Vicky
05-18-16, 12:47 PM
I guess you didn't get it... Look, I've played all kinds of music with people from continents all over.. I've used and have instruments from all over the world.. All kinds of rhythms, melodies, scales, etc.. I think context is lost... I'll let you guys continue to defend whatever you want.
I don't get it? Just because you've "played all kinds of music with people from continents all over" and you "used to have instruments from all over the world" doesn't mean that one needs to employ conventional instruments to make real music.
As to the music that is available on Amazon, as I said, post some songs if you want people here to give it a chance.
Search Matt Selou on Youtube. There is a bunch of stuff on there.
Miss Vicky
05-18-16, 12:50 PM
Search Matt Selou on Youtube. There is a bunch of stuff on there.
I'm not searching anything. I want to know what he considers to be the stuff most worth listening to.
Fair enough. I just didn't know what to post since i don't know which ones are actually music :D
I guess you didn't get it... Look, I've played all kinds of music with people from continents all over.. I've used and have instruments from all over the world.. All kinds of rhythms, melodies, scales, etc.. I think context is lost... I'll let you guys continue to defend whatever you want.
Do you like Bjork? Do you think shes a genius? Shes supposed to be an eskimo girl that uses every instrument imaginable. No Im not coming at you Im just curious cause I think shes horrifyingly overrated. When first hearing her stuff from a friend who adores her, after hearing her, I literally pointed at the stereo and laughed.
Bjork is Icelandic. Her full name is Bjorksdfkglskjdfgn Sfgjkhlsdkflnfdb.
Chypmunk
05-18-16, 01:41 PM
I just bought a cd of 'organic' music ... still had to push a button to hear it though - what a biatch! :D
Sexy Celebrity
05-18-16, 02:32 PM
We should have a Matt Selou Song Tournament.
Where we vote on which song of his on Youtube is the best.
Have fun with that. I asked him about his art and got ignored.
Unexpected since most artists like to talk about their work.
Sexy Celebrity
05-18-16, 02:36 PM
Yes, well, he's not the friendliest of people around here.
matt72582
05-18-16, 03:14 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2uvW1h9MB4
Sexy Celebrity
05-18-16, 03:17 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2uvW1h9MB4
http://mac.h-cdn.co/assets/cm/14/49/5482ec42d32db_-_mcx-elaine-bad-dancer.gif
Makes me wanna dance!
matt72582
05-18-16, 03:30 PM
Foster, I didn't see you mention anything..
Anyway, speaking of giving "chances" - you can buy my latest CD that took me almost 3 years to make... Here's to being open-minded, and being supportive of your fellow Mofo movie lover.
http://www.amazon.com/East-Meets-West-Matt-Selou/dp/B01FRFPVME/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNqk4FDWN3I
Matt Selou - D.E.A
Foster, I didn't see you mention anything..
I think you were busy defending your musical tastes, understandable
http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?anchor=1&p=1515643#post1515643
Varg is such a happy man.
http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/4chanmusic/images/7/75/1635465156.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130126174859
Cole416
05-19-16, 08:37 PM
Once tomorrow is over im done with school basically for the year and prom is Saturday! This is gonna be interesting.
I've never been to a prom. Don't have that over in Korea. Sounds like fun, even though I'd probably have a hard time getting a date. Is it like how they are portrayed in movies? :p
Miss Vicky
05-20-16, 02:38 AM
I skipped my prom and was glad I did, since I heard lots of complaints from classmates about the food and the venue.
I skipped my prom and was glad I did, since I heard lots of complaints from classmates about the food and the venue.
Did they find anything weird in the punchbowls?
AboveTheClouds
05-20-16, 02:40 AM
Varg is such a happy man.
http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/4chanmusic/images/7/75/1635465156.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130126174859
He'd never burn down a church, nope, no ways, not ever. Look at that smile!
AboveTheClouds
05-20-16, 02:46 AM
Did they find anything weird in the punchbowls?
I once went to a Christmas party and we could have a few alcoholic drinks for free, so I had a couple whiskey and coke, and planned to call it a night after that. So I found this big bowl of fruit punch after my last drink and decided to try it, and it was really good, so I poured myself a glass and went back to the table. Well, a few glasses of punch later I was feeling preeeetty drunk and couldn't figure out why, so I went to get another glass of punch.
Well, when I get to the table with the punch, I noticed there is a little sign kind of piled under half empty cups, I moved a couple cups to see what it said, and it read "Champagne Fruit Punch". I had purposefully quit drinking to be sober, but apparently the liquor gods had a different plan for me. Oh well.
Sexy Celebrity
05-20-16, 03:21 AM
Well, a few glasses of punch later I was feeling preeeetty drunk and couldn't figure out why, so I went to get another glass of punch.
"Ooooh... I'm feeling drunk.... I have no idea why.... excuse me, I'll be back, I must refresh my drink...... oooh, why do I feel so drunk?" *grabs the punch bowl ladle*
The Gunslinger45
05-20-16, 03:28 AM
Varg is such a happy man.
http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/4chanmusic/images/7/75/1635465156.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130126174859
Cuz life in prison in Norway, is not life in prison at all.
AboveTheClouds
05-20-16, 03:34 AM
Cuz life in prison in Norway, is not life in prison at all.
21 years maximum I believe. He escaped on a day pass as well back in 2007 or something and didn't really get more than a slap on the wrist. He even made a few Burzum albums in jail, the mainly synth ones mind you. Now he lives in France and has two kids and a wife, lol.
AboveTheClouds
05-20-16, 03:36 AM
"Ooooh... I'm feeling drunk.... I have no idea why.... excuse me, I'll be back, I must refresh my drink...... oooh, why do I feel so drunk?" *grabs the punch bowl ladle*
Not that time, no ;) But I've been known to be a bit of a liquor pig at times. I mostly quit drinking though these days. It costs too damn much, and you lose days too easily.
Sexy Celebrity
05-20-16, 03:37 AM
So you were a heavy drinker then? In the past.
AboveTheClouds
05-20-16, 03:41 AM
So you were a heavy drinker then? In the past.
I used to party a fair bit when I was younger and more active in my local music scene, then it got out of hand for a while and I had to smarten myself up. I have indulged in a few different things, but I'm mostly a sober fellow these days, except for Mary Jane.
Mr Minio
05-20-16, 06:01 AM
Now he lives in France and has two kids and a wife, lol. And makes YT videos on the superiority of the white race.
MovieMeditation
05-20-16, 10:16 AM
http://images-cdn.moviepilot.com/images/c_scale,h_233,w_558/t_mp_quality_gif/vo6i2nmr4xcykbghukoq/my-theories-on-where-s-luke-670606.gif
honeykid
05-20-16, 10:27 AM
HEY! Nice to see you, MM. Hope things are better for you now.
AAAAAAAAAAH MM YOU'RE BACK!!!!
Dude. I missed ya so bad.
The Gunslinger45
05-20-16, 01:25 PM
http://images-cdn.moviepilot.com/images/c_scale,h_233,w_558/t_mp_quality_gif/vo6i2nmr4xcykbghukoq/my-theories-on-where-s-luke-670606.gif
Welcome back! How ya been?
AboveTheClouds
05-20-16, 03:07 PM
And makes YT videos on the superiority of the white race.
Not exactly, but it's kind of a long story and for the sake of the argument, I'll just leave it at that.
Good news. I might have a job in the works. I'm doing peer support training every day all day next week. Going to be intense as hell for me, but I need to do it to get a job as an on call counselor at a mental health respite house. I feel my chances of getting a job there, granted I do the training, are pretty high, as some of my friends work there, high up too. It'll be my first job. I'm jumping the gun sharing I know, but I'm on my way and I'm excited. :D
AboveTheClouds
05-21-16, 02:48 AM
Mooovin` on up.:up:
Good luck man.
honeykid
05-21-16, 12:54 PM
Best of luck with it, Swan. Listening to nutters jabber on all day about their problems? Sounds like hell. :D
Chypmunk
05-21-16, 01:14 PM
Good news. I might have a job in the works. I'm doing peer support training every day all day next week. Going to be intense as hell for me, but I need to do it to get a job as an on call counselor at a mental health respite house. I feel my chances of getting a job there, granted I do the training, are pretty high, as some of my friends work there, high up too. It'll be my first job. I'm jumping the gun sharing I know, but I'm on my way and I'm excited. :D
Best of luck dood!
Best of luck with it, Swan. Listening to nutters jabber on all day about their problems? Sounds like hell. :D
Exactly why I don't read all the threads on here ..... oh wait .... my bad :blush:
I watched Funny Games and wrote a review afterwards. It somehow got deleted and I'm quite angry about that. :)
Not sure if anybody cares but I probably will not be on for the next week as I am going to be doing a bit of traveling. I hope everybody has a great week.
The original? Great film.
The original? Great film.
Yes, the original. I agree. I thought it was beautifully made.
I don't have any interest in watching the remake.
Neither do i. Heard it is pretty much a shot for shot remake just in english. That's still the only Haneke i've seen, should check out more.
honeykid
05-21-16, 05:55 PM
Enjoy the road, Aphex. :)
Nice Swan! Hope all goes well. You're one of the friendliest people I've met on the Internet so I'm sure you'll do a great job.
Miss Vicky
05-22-16, 01:20 AM
I have $55 in Amazon gift cards and no idea what to buy.
Sexy Celebrity
05-22-16, 01:21 AM
An electronic talking Chewbacca mask that growls, for starters.
Miss Vicky
05-22-16, 01:26 AM
No.
A blow-up doll.
Just kidding, maybe a few books or movies?
Miss Vicky
05-22-16, 01:35 AM
A blow-up doll.
Just kidding, maybe a few books or movies?
I actually bought a blow up doll once - to use as part of an elaborate Halloween set up at a friend's house. We put a hood over his head, dressed him in rags, and hung him from a noose. No idea what she did with him afterwards.
MV, we need to do our WALL-E commentary, when GB is available.
Miss Vicky
05-22-16, 01:58 AM
Some day. I've not done a commentary in a long while.
Derek Vinyard
05-22-16, 08:30 PM
Whats Up Folks
MV, we need to do our WALL-E commentary, when GB is available.
Me, you, Gatsby, Guns and JJ need to do a few South Park ones at some point.
BURRRRRP
The exact response i was expecting and looking for.
Derek Vinyard
05-22-16, 09:12 PM
Ok alright guys I'm now at 6,666 posts so I'm done posting :D My mission is accomplish
I'M NOW SATAN
Alright, DV won't post. Therefore, he won't and can't refute.
SATAN SUCKS
SATAN SUCKS
PFFFT
The Gunslinger45
05-23-16, 04:51 AM
Me, you, Gatsby, Guns and JJ need to do a few South Park ones at some point.
I am free for the next three nights.
Derek Vinyard
05-24-16, 02:12 AM
http://comicbook.com/2016/05/24/horror-legend-john-carpenter-to-executive-produce-new-halloween-/
Hell Yeah
Sexy Celebrity
05-24-16, 02:14 AM
http://comicbook.com/2016/05/24/horror-legend-john-carpenter-to-executive-produce-new-halloween-/
Hell Yeah
WOW.....
But will it really be good?
Executive producer doesn't make much of a difference. Spielberg was "executive producer" on the Transformers movies. And those movies were crap.
And those movies were crap.
Like most Spielberg movies :D
Like most Spielberg movies :D
Ima gonna whoop your ass with Indy's whip.
Me, you, Gatsby, Guns and JJ need to do a few South Park ones at some point.
I can do this right now, but people are missing.
I can do this right now, but people are missing.
I couldn't right now.
Ive been rewatching some old South Parks from season 1, and The Sopranos from season 1. Finished the Volcano episode "...and his left leg is Patrick Duffy!".
Watching Gandolfini is just mesmerizing. He owned that part.
Ive been rewatching some old South Parks from season 1, and The Sopranos from season 1. Finished the Volcano episode "...and his left leg is Patrick Duffy!".
Watching Gandolfini is just mesmerizing. He owned that part.
Two of my favourite shows ever :up:
geniuinly JUST put on the first episode of sopranos :lol: been meaning to watch it for years
geniuinly JUST put on the first episode of sopranos :lol: been meaning to watch it for years
So had I, Wow thats freaky :eek:
Im gonna have to do a rewatch review.
Did you like the first episode?
The Gunslinger45
05-24-16, 01:58 PM
I can do this right now, but people are missing.
I can do this for the next few hours, but I have overtime to work tonight.
Did you like the first episode?
yes i did! i was expecting the show to be alot more
chauvinistic and the standar "mr tough guy"- albeit
there was that strip club and the hooker :lol: :lol:
but i was expecting alot more
and his mother killed me.i know so many older women who
are like that haha
will defo keep watching this.
Trust me you don't know any old women like Livia ;)
Glad you liked it.
Daniel M
05-24-16, 05:41 PM
Nice, I love The Sopranos :up:
Trust me you don't know any old women like Livia ;)
Glad you liked it.
sounds like something interesting happens :lol:
what annoys me though is that ive seen the last episode. back when that aired,sarah shahi who i was abig fan of was in it so i watched it.
i dont really remember it though.just the two of them sitting on the top of a hill/mountain with the morning sun shining on them. hopefully it stays forgotten till i finish the whole series.
sopranos is amazing for the first couple of seasons. enjoy it while it lasts!!
it goes waaay downhill near the end. They were taking like 2-3 years per season because they had no idea what to write.
most shows are like that though unfortunatly,but i didnt know about the years inbetween.
thats the thing that bothers me abit about watching show in real time while they`re still airing,i much prefer to find an old show thats finished so i can bingewatch it :lol:
im a bit spoiled that way,we always used to get shows so much later than all other countries,but now i realise that they waited so we didnt have any breaks between the seasons. so im not used to waiting.and a 1 ****ing long. when game of thrones season 2 came out,i had long forgotten was season 1 was about lol :lol:
It doesn't go downhill, don't listen to him. It stays amazing throughout, every Season is a 5+. As far as i'm concerned.
Chypmunk
05-24-16, 06:55 PM
Don't listen to either of them - make your own mind up ;)
It doesn't go downhill, don't listen to him. It stays amazing throughout, every Season is a 5+. As far as i'm concerned.
It gets soooooo boring.
Derek Vinyard
05-24-16, 07:11 PM
Sopranos is cool but yeah it drag down by season I'm agree...
Daniel M
05-24-16, 07:15 PM
What on earth are you people on about? The last couple of seasons are amazing.
It gets soooooo boring.
How exactly? What bored you? And how did it significantly change from the first three seasons for you not to have been bored then?
sopranos is amazing for the first couple of seasons. enjoy it while it lasts!!
it goes waaay downhill near the end. They were taking like 2-3 years per season because they had no idea what to write.
:laugh:
No.
MovieMeditation
05-24-16, 07:29 PM
Sopranos gets boring?
Geeesh, glad I stopped watching then. Couldn't even make it through season one despite giving it a real proper chance...
Gosh damn. I dont know how the hell you all can be entertained at all if you cant appreciate these characters completely flushed out in the last seasons?! At no point did it ever get boring, the acting alone made it incable of inducing boredom. Truly one of the greatest series ever, as good as The Walking Dead, Breaking Bad, or Game Of Thrones.
MovieMeditation
05-24-16, 07:38 PM
as good as The Walking Dead, Breaking Bad, or Game Of Thrones.
boring too.
Derek Vinyard
05-24-16, 07:42 PM
boring too.
http://www.vixenvarsity.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Daryl-Beth.jpg
boring too.
https://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcw6kvGhfD1rc4zeqo1_500.gif
boring too.
I agree with that one :D
That was a much faster trip than what was initially planned. But I still had a great time. :D
How exactly? What bored you? And how did it significantly change from the first three seasons for you not to have been bored then?
It stopped being about the mafia and started being a day time soap opera about his family and disobedience
Daniel M
05-24-16, 08:45 PM
The whole thing was always about his family, and the last two seasons are when Mafia related stuff intensifies anyway. The New York stuff, Carmine, Little Carmine, Johnny Sacks, Phil Leotardo etc., it has some of the most intense mafia related stuff of the whole show.
The whole thing was always about his family, and the last two seasons are when Mafia related stuff intensifies anyway. The New York stuff, Carmine, Little Carmine, Johnny Sacks, Phil Leotardo etc., it has some of the most intense mafia related stuff of the whole show.
Yup, exactly this. No idea what you are talking about Foster, if anything the opposite is true. You should really watch it again.
Its that Cartoon Network, all them silly picture drawing shows rotted their brains from enjoying the last 3 seasons of The Sopranos. :yup: Bored my balls.
Hm, anyone here watch Downton Abbey? I havent watched the last season yet, and Im hoping it picked up.
Never seen it,but only heard good things about it.
If anyone is looking for a new show i recommend bloodline,its my face current show. season two starts friday.
http://bilder.hest.no/hest//brukerbilder/58735/blogg/1112739.jpg
the polar bear king/white bear King Valemon
also I wish someone turn this folklore into a proper movie ( i know they tried in 91)
my favourite story as a kid
honeykid
05-25-16, 11:17 AM
Glad to see you back, Aphex. :)
Anyway, Soprano's = very good.
I barely made it through the first episode of The Walking Dead. I've never really had any thought about revisiting it. Breaking Bad I liked the first season, but it was never something I was excited by. I'm looking to give season 2 a go. I actually liked the first season of GoT, but season two was a struggle and I abandoned it after that.
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