Swan's Movie Commentaries

[gbgoodies]

This moment was always very sad to me. Can't imagine losing your child.


Yes, it's sad, but the first time I saw the movie I was afraid it was going to be the dog that got killed.

[Swan]

Yes, it's sad, but the first time I saw the movie I was afraid it was going to be the dog that got killed.

:laugh:

[Swan]

Why you gotta introduce yourself by making my ears bleed? Not very nice.

[gbgoodies]

I'm serious. It bothers me more when an animal gets killed in a movie than when a person gets killed, even if that person is a child.

[Gatsby]

Personally I value human life more than dog life, but that's up to you I guess

[Swan]

I'm serious. It bothers me more when an animal gets killed in a movie than when a person gets killed, even if that person is a child.

Yeah I know, that's not uncommon either. Only laughed because I got a kick out of your honesty. :p

[gbgoodies]

Personally I value human life more than dog life, but that's up to you I guess


I agree, to a certain extent, but I think people have more control over their lives than animals, and usually people who die in movies did something stupid that caused it. The animals rely on the people to protect them, and when they die, we failed.

[Gatsby]

That kid has a joe Pesci accent.

[Gatsby]

I agree, to a certain extent, but I think people have more control over their lives than animals, and usually people who die in movies did something stupid that caused it. The animals rely on the people to protect them, and when they die, we failed.
And usually the people who die without a cause are lifeless CGI beings.

[Swan]

I don't think it's something you necessarily rationalize. What I mean is, it's a more emotional reaction. Animals come off as helpless and vulnerable, and thus a lot of people, perhaps myself included, feel more sympathy for them being killed in a movie or elsewhere. But that doesn't necessarily mean I value one more than the other.

[gbgoodies]

I don't think it's something you necessarily rationalize. What I mean is, it's a more emotional reaction. Animals come off as helpless and vulnerable, and thus a lot of people, perhaps myself included, feel more sympathy for them being killed in a movie or elsewhere. But that doesn't necessarily mean I value one more than the other.


Unless of course the animal is someone like Cujo. :lol:

[Swan]

Unless of course the animal is someone like Cujo. :lol:

Touche. :p

[gbgoodies]

If the shark had worked, we would see a fin right now.

[Swan]

Thank goodness it didn't.

[gbgoodies]

I assume that everyone here knows that the shark is named Bruce, after Spielberg's lawyer, right?

[Swan]

I assume that everyone here knows that the shark is named Bruce, after Spielberg's lawyer, right?

I didn't know it was named after his lawyer.

[gbgoodies]

I didn't know it was named after his lawyer.


I thought that was common knowledge trivia.

[Gatsby]

I assume that everyone here knows that the shark is named Bruce, after Spielberg's lawyer, right?
You should assume that we don't know anything. We're idiots.

[gbgoodies]

You should assume that we don't know anything. We're idiots.


There are no idiots on MoFo. :)

[gbgoodies]

More trivia.

Roy Scheider was never considered for the role of Chief Brody. He met Spielberg at a party and asked for the part.

Richard Dreyfuss originally turned down the part of Hooper. Then he went back and asked for the part when he thought that his movie The Apprenticeship of Duddy Kravitz (1974) was going to flop, and he wanted something else already in the works.

Richard Dreyfuss and Robert Shaw didn't get along.

[Swan]

Sorry guys, I'm here. Got a PM.

[Swan]

Oh oh oh! This is my favorite scene in the film.

[Swan]

More trivia.

Roy Scheider was never considered for the role of Chief Brody. He met Spielberg at a party and asked for the part.

Richard Dreyfuss originally turned down the part of Hooper. Then he went back and asked for the part when he thought that his movie The Apprenticeship of Duddy Kravitz (1974) was going to flop, and he wanted something else already in the works.

Richard Dreyfuss and Robert Shaw didn't get along.

First two are interesting, and I'm glad it worked out because I couldn't imagine anyone else in those roles. Third one is a bummer though.

[gbgoodies]

The actress who played Mrs. Kintner didn't know how to "fake" slapping Brody, so when we see him getting slapped, those are real slaps, and there were many takes before they got it right. Ouch.

[Swan]

The actress who played Mrs. Kintner didn't know how to "fake" slapping Brody, so when we see him getting slapped, those are real slaps, and there were many takes before they got it right. Ouch.

Oh yeah, they do that sometimes. Sometimes actors even tell the other actor to actually slap them.

[gbgoodies]

First two are interesting, and I'm glad it worked out because I couldn't imagine anyone else in those roles. Third one is a bummer though.


Yeah, but that third one made for some great tension in the scenes on the boat later.

[Gatsby]

Another painful part of actors' jobs is having to eat a ton of the same food over and over again before the director gets what he wants.

[Swan]

Being an actor must SUCK!!!!!!!

(except for all the money and stuff)

[Gatsby]

Apparently sharks spill out milk when you cut open their stomachs

[gbgoodies]

Another painful part of actors' jobs is having to eat a ton of the same food over and over again before the director gets what he wants.


It depends on the food. Some food is fun to eat over and over again. :)

In CE3K, Richard Dreyfuss got to play with his food over and over again. :lol:

[Swan]

Apparently sharks spill out milk when you cut open their stomachs

Do they produce milk?

In CE3K, Richard Dreyfuss got to play with his food over and over again. :lol:

Now who wouldn't enjoy that? :p

[Gatsby]

If that theory about shark territory turned out to be false, then the film wouldn't have met a resolution.

[gbgoodies]

Being an actor must SUCK!!!!!!!

(except for all the money and stuff)


When you have time, listen to the lyrics of this song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoY-xvi12wQ

[Gatsby]

How about eating clam chowder and cream mushroom chicken?

[Swan]

When you have time, listen to the lyrics of this song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoY-xvi12wQ

I'll try to remember to - if I forget, feel free to remind me and I will.

[Gatsby]

Hey Swan, have you seen The Wolf of Wall Street?

[Swan]

Hey Swan, have you seen The Wolf of Wall Street?

Yeah, why?

[gbgoodies]

I'll try to remember to - if I forget, feel free to remind me and I will.


I might even nominate it in a song tournament someday. :)

[Gatsby]

Yeah, why?
We should to a commentary on that roller coaster ride. The only drawback: it's three hours long.

[gbgoodies]

How about eating clam chowder and cream mushroom chicken?


Hate clams, (and all seafood). :sick:
Hate mushrooms. :sick:

[Swan]

We should to a commentary on that roller coaster ride. The only drawback: it's three hours long.

Could be a fun three hours though. I can definitely see there being a lot to talk about with that film.

[gbgoodies]

The scene with Ben Gardner's head was added after the movie was completed. Spielberg wanted to add "one more scare" to the movie.

[Swan]

I might even nominate it in a song tournament someday. :)

That's cool. I was thinking about maybe starting to give real, quality country a shot, as it's a genre I have yet to explore. Feel free to recommend me some stuff you think I might like if you want. :)

[Swan]

Do you like John Prine, GB?

[Swan]

Brody trying to protect the people. Mayor won't have that, though.

[Sexy Celebrity]

I have a secret about Jaws: I don't think I've really seen the whole movie.

[Swan]

I have a secret about Jaws: I don't think I've really seen the whole movie.

Dude.

Dude.

[Sexy Celebrity]

I know I've seen the opening scene with the lovers getting killed in the ocean. It never really grabbed me.

[gbgoodies]

That's cool. I was thinking about maybe starting to give real, quality country a shot, as it's a genre I have yet to explore. Feel free to recommend me some stuff you think I might like if you want. :)


It depends on what kind of country you want to listen to. There's slow, sad country, or country love songs, or upbeat, fun country, or cheating songs. I listen to all of it, but my favorite is the slow, sad songs and country love songs.

[Sexy Celebrity]

Or was it just the girl getting killed in the ocean? I don't know.

[Gatsby]

I know I've seen the opening scene with the lovers getting killed in the ocean. It never really grabbed me.
I don't thinks it's supposed to "grab" you. It's an introduction to the shark.

[gbgoodies]

Do you like John Prine, GB?


I don't recognize his name, so I probably don't know his music. Is he country? (Sometimes folk music gets confused with country.)

[Swan]

It depends on what kind of country you want to listen to. There's slow, sad country, or country love songs, or upbeat, fun country, or cheating songs. I listen to all of it, but my favorite is the slow, sad songs and country love songs.

Hmmm okay. How about this, if you're up for it. Send me your top five or ten country artists to check out, and I'll give them a listen. No pressure though.

[gbgoodies]

I have a secret about Jaws: I don't think I've really seen the whole movie.


You definitely watch it.

[Swan]

I don't recognize his name, so I probably don't know his music. Is he country? (Sometimes folk music gets confused with country.)

Wikipedia lists him as country and folk. I listened to a little and he does seem to have country vibes.

The reason I ask is because my favorite musician, Justin Vernon (dude in my avatar), is apparently influenced by him. So I'm curious to listen to more of his work. If you do check him out, let me know what you think.

[Sexy Celebrity]

I did, however, put together this Jaws jigsaw puzzle several times when I was a kid:

http://www.movieforums.com/community/attachment.php?attachmentid=23922&stc=1&d=1453784655

Several times in fact. All 500 pieces. To DATE, the biggest jigsaw puzzle I've ever done.

And I've seen Jaws: The Revenge, but it's been awhile.

And I used to have Jaws on Nintendo. Which was fun, but I don't think I ever beat it.

[gbgoodies]

Hmmm okay. How about this, if you're up for it. Send me your top five or ten country artists to check out, and I'll give them a listen. No pressure though.


Okay. Start with George Strait. He's the best. Then I'll PM you a list of other artists later.

[Swan]

I don't thinks it's supposed to "grab" you. It's an introduction to the shark.

The scene isn't what is supposed to grab you... the shark is!

*crickets*

[gbgoodies]

Wikipedia lists him as country and folk. I listened to a little and he does seem to have country vibes.

The reason I ask is because my favorite musician, Justin Vernon (dude in my avatar), is apparently influenced by him. So I'm curious to listen to more of his work. If you do check him out, let me know what you think.


I'll check out some of his music later.

[Sexy Celebrity]

I've never really had a big interest in seeing it. Maybe eventually, before I get old and die.

[Sexy Celebrity]

Something about Steven Spielberg doing a horror movie seems uncool.

[gbgoodies]

I did, however, put together this Jaws jigsaw puzzle several times when I was a kid:

http://www.movieforums.com/community/attachment.php?attachmentid=23922&stc=1&d=1453784655

Several times in fact. All 500 pieces. To DATE, the biggest jigsaw puzzle I've ever done.

And I've seen Jaws: The Revenge, but it's been awhile.

And I used to have Jaws on Nintendo. Which was fun, but I don't think I ever beat it.


Jaws: The Revenge was terrible. Jaws and Jaws 2 are the only ones worth watching.

[Swan]

I think this is the first scene we get a decent look at the shark, albeit underwater? That's probably my favorite shot in the movie. So damn creepy.

[gbgoodies]

Something about Steven Spielberg doing a horror movie seems uncool.


What about Poltergeist?

[Gatsby]

Something about Steven Spielberg doing a horror movie seems uncool.
But he did a great job, and that's what matters.

[Sexy Celebrity]

What about Poltergeist?

It's masked by the fact that Tobe Hooper has his name on it as director.

And that movie didn't really blow me away, either. I liked its cheesy sequels, though.

[Swan]

Some people consider this a horror movie, but others don't. Personally, I don't care about that.

[gbgoodies]

Something about Steven Spielberg doing a horror movie seems uncool.


Spielberg wasn't supposed to direct Jaws. The first director they hired called the shark a whale, and was quickly fired.

[gbgoodies]

Some people believe that CE3K and E.T. were Spielberg's childhood dreams, and Jaws and Poltergeist were his nightmares.

[Sexy Celebrity]

Some people consider this a horror movie, but others don't. Personally, I don't care about that.

I can't say for sure, but I know that in the past... I thought Jaws was some kind of unkillable shark. Like Michael Myers in shark form. I thought that was what they said in Jaws: The Revenge, unless that was just Lorraine Gary being crazy. I think part of that movie's plot was she thought it was the SAME shark from the past getting revenge.

As a kid, that movie appealed to me in a way that other horror movies did. But it wasn't one of my favorites and I never went on to fully see Jaws 1.

[Swan]

Jaws: The Revenge was terrible. Jaws and Jaws 2 are the only ones worth watching.

Jaws: The Revenge is definitely really bad. My friend made me watch it recently. I enjoyed watching it with him, and there were some funny moments... but overall, no good.

[Gatsby]

Some people consider this a horror movie, but others don't. Personally, I don't care about that.
It's a semi-horror really, it has the story progression of a thriller, not a horror, but has a lot of horror elements. Thrillror?

[Swan]

It's a semi-horror really, it has the story progression of a thriller, not a horror, but has a lot of horror elements. Thrillror?

Genre is a silly thing.

[gbgoodies]

Jaws: The Revenge is definitely really bad. My friend made me watch it recently. I enjoyed watching it with him, and there were some funny moments... but overall, no good.

Jaws: The Revenge isn't even good enough to be called a "crappy" sequel. :lol:

[Gatsby]

Jaws: The Revenge is definitely really bad. My friend made me watch it recently. I enjoyed watching it with him, and there were some funny moments... but overall, no good.
The best part is the obviously fake shark kill and Caine coming out of the water completely dry. :lol:

[Swan]

Shot peering through the skeleton shark jaw is amazing.

[Sexy Celebrity]

Jaws: The Revenge is like Aliens because it's about a woman going after a monstrous creature and killing it. That woman was like Ripley.

[Swan]

Still, I admit it's cool conceptually that the sequels follow Brody and after that his lineage... I think they do, anyway.

[Gatsby]

That boat must be giving you dizziness every few seconds. It keeps rocking. Reminds me of when I went ocean fisihing for the first time.

[gbgoodies]

Has anyone here ever been on the Jaws ride at Universal? Somewhere I have a great close-up picture of the shark's eye. He popped up right next to me and scared the living daylights out of me. I pressed the camera button by accident and got an amazing picture.

[Swan]

Hmm, I think I might have... can't remember. I went there a long time ago.

[Sexy Celebrity]

We should to a commentary on that roller coaster ride. The only drawback: it's three hours long.

I would be up for that one -- The Wolf of Wall Street.

I sat through two and a half hours of music with Honeykid. I can handle that.

[Sexy Celebrity]

Has anyone here ever been on the Jaws ride at Universal? Somewhere I have a great close-up picture of the shark's eye. He popped up right next to me and scared the living daylights out of me. I pressed the camera button by accident and got an amazing picture.

Good. You deserve to be scared like that, Miss Scared of Everything. And you snapped that picture because you wanted to snap it.

[Gatsby]

Times flies when you're having fun.

[Gatsby]

http://i.imgur.com/U6ENmHw.gif

[Sexy Celebrity]

https://49.media.tumblr.com/fb2d2f27acb785dda51bfe9f2da9a087/tumblr_n6avh6J7AF1qj7u8ao2_500.gif

In fact, from now on, GB, I'm gonna go around scaring you with horror movie pictures until you learn to love horror.

[gbgoodies]

In fact, from now on, GB, I'm gonna go around scaring you with horror movie pictures until you learn to love horror.


That's never going to happen, so you're just wasting your time.

[Gatsby]

Don't do it too much or else GBG will leave. We don't want that.

[Gatsby]

Swan where are you?

[Swan]

Don't do it too much or else GBG will leave. We don't want that.

What we want, is a bigger boat.

[Swan]

Swan where are you?

I'm looking, for a bigger boat.

[Sexy Celebrity]

http://38.media.tumblr.com/0aca8cac52ae5f3d4d6abd541e0b3c1f/tumblr_noclu57L2W1rp0vkjo1_500.gif

[gbgoodies]

Don't do it too much or else GBG will leave. We don't want that.


I don't find horror movies scary. I find them disgusting. :sick:

I like good old-fashioned suspense movies without the gore.

[gbgoodies]

http://38.media.tumblr.com/0aca8cac52ae5f3d4d6abd541e0b3c1f/tumblr_noclu57L2W1rp0vkjo1_500.gif


Last week's episode of "Criminal Minds" with the guillotine was worse than that.

[Gatsby]

Favorite scene in the entire movie. I can watch the three talk all day.

[Sexy Celebrity]

Last week's episode of "Criminal Minds" with the guillotine was worse than that.

http://37.media.tumblr.com/a7affc6a37f4bb186e406be6f7c24a17/tumblr_n6bbikZDoU1rp0vkjo1_500.gif

[Gatsby]

My lack of imagination demands of cliched flashback.

[gbgoodies]

The USS Indianapolis speech scene is the best scene. Robert Shaw re-wrote that speech, and he did that scene in one take.

[Sexy Celebrity]

Are you guys still commentating?

[Gatsby]

Well, I still haven't found a bigger boat yet. I'm sure Swan hasn't either.

[Swan]

That is definitely a great scene, but what makes it even better is that sh*t starts going down right at the heart of it. That's great storytelling, because during that scene you feel the peak of their bonding and happiness - only to be interrupted by the damn dirty shark.

[gbgoodies]

Are you guys still commentating?


I think everyone was mesmerized by the USS Indianapolis speech scene.

[Swan]

Sorry, I got another PM and then was focusing on the scene. I'm still here.

[Gatsby]

Sorry, I got another PM and then was focusing on the scene. I'm still here.
Damn yer popular.

[Gatsby]

I think everyone was mesmerized by the USS Indianapolis speech scene.
Exactly. Every frame takes your breath away and for a minute you don't care about writing posts for a commentary.

[Swan]

Damn yer popular.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/a6/da/57/a6da57595e73f567df2b72a3229c2be0.gif

[Swan]

Exactly. Every frame takes your breath away and for a minute you don't care about writing posts for a commentary.

Sign of a great movie, that is.

[Swan]

The shark just won't DIE

DAMMIT

DIE SHARK DAMMIT

[Sexy Celebrity]

http://www.movieforums.com/community/attachment.php?attachmentid=23923&stc=1&d=1453787436

Boo!

[Gatsby]

Now I can finally breathe.

[Gatsby]

http://www.movieforums.com/community/attachment.php?attachmentid=23923&stc=1&d=1453787436

Boo!
That's not scary. In fact it made me chuckle a bit.

[Swan]

http://www.movieforums.com/community/attachment.php?attachmentid=23923&stc=1&d=1453787436

Boo!

Spagett!

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view6/3657267/oo-spaghett-o.gif

[Swan]

I gotta tinkle guys. brb.

[Gatsby]

I want to go to the bathroom but I'm holding it in - can't afford to miss a scene.

[Gatsby]

I gotta tinkle guys. brb.
Make sure to close the toilet cover and flush!

[Swan]

20 CCs? So unrealistic! I don't even know what that means though!

[Gatsby]

20 CCs? So unrealistic! I don't even know what that means though!
For scale, the average adult pees about 200cc per tinkle trip.

[Swan]

Where did GB go?

[Swan]

For scale, the average adult pees about 200cc per tinkle trip.

Fascinating.

[Swan]

He's going under... to a land down under.

[Sexy Celebrity]

Where did GB go?

That last Leatherface picture worked.

[gbgoodies]

Where did GB go?


I'm still here. I just got too focused on the movie for a while.

[Gatsby]

Surprise muthaf*cka

[gbgoodies]

There were scenes filmed with a smaller version of the cage, and a little person in the cage, but when a real shark got tangled up in the cage's cables, the little person refused to go back into the cage. Some of that footage is in the movie.

[Swan]

She's doing the commentary while working.

What's more important?

Logic and everything smart says work, but I say Jaws!

[Swan]

There were scenes filmed with a smaller version of the cage, and a little person in the cage, but when a real shark got tangled up in the cage's cables, the little person refused to go back into the cage. Some of that footage is in the movie.

That is my personal favorite piece of trivia that you've shared so far.

[gbgoodies]

I was supposed to be working, but I got too engrossed in the movie. :shrug:

[gbgoodies]

Hooper was supposed to die in the cage scene, but the ending was rewritten so that he would live.

[Gatsby]

Blood! Gore! Shark!

[Swan]

Well. That wasn't violent or disturbing or anything.

[Sexy Celebrity]

I read the spoilers.

[gbgoodies]

That is my personal favorite piece of trivia that you've shared so far.


When you get a chance, watch the documentary in the link that I posted at the beginning of the commentary. There's a lot of trivia in there, and commentary by the cast and crew.

[Swan]

Hooper was supposed to die in the cage scene, but the ending was rewritten so that he would live.

They should have brought Quint back in the sequel as a half-man half-shark hybrid robot villain.

[Gatsby]

Anyone who has seen a lot of movies would know that Hooper is still alive.

[gbgoodies]

They should have brought Quint back in the sequel as a half-man half-shark hybrid robot villain.


Robert Shaw had to leave the country immediately after filming was completed because of tax problems with the IRS.

[Swan]

Actually, what should have happened is at the end have Quint cut himself out of the shark's belly. That would have been badass.

[gbgoodies]

The sound effects in this scene were also used in Spielberg's movie Duel for the final truck scene.

[Gatsby]

Top 50 film for me.

5

[Swan]

Well, that was a damn fun commentary. Best I've had in a long time. Thanks for joining Gatsby, Sexy, and Official Jaws Aficionado gbgoodies.

[gbgoodies]

On "Inside the Actor's Studio" about ten years ago, Spielberg admitted that he's still afraid of the water.

[Gatsby]

Remember, I'm the one who said let's do Jaws. :D

[gbgoodies]

Well, that was a damn fun commentary. Best I've had in a long time. Thanks for joining Gatsby, Sexy, and Official Jaws Aficionado gbgoodies.


I love Spielberg's movies, especially his early stuff. (See my profile banner for some of my favorite Spielberg movies.)

[Swan]

Remember, I'm the one who said let's do Jaws. :D

Yes, but I was the one who let you pick the movie. So ha!

[gbgoodies]

Remember, I'm the one who said let's do Jaws. :D


Great choice. :up:

Oh well, so much for getting my work done. :shrug:

[Swan]

Maybe we can do Close Encounters some time soon?

[Sexy Celebrity]

Well, that was a damn fun commentary. Best I've had in a long time. Thanks for joining Gatsby, Sexy, and Official Jaws Aficionado gbgoodies.

Thanks, Swan.

Bye Bye.

https://49.media.tumblr.com/56da270343df46da9b9dda941c965917/tumblr_nbybt3DeDT1tgg4b1o1_400.gif

[gbgoodies]

Maybe we can do Close Encounters some time soon?


I'd love to do a CE3K commentary if I'm not busy when you're ready.

[Swan]

I'd love to do a CE3K commentary if I'm not busy when you're ready.

Yeah we'll definitely plan for it soon then. :up:

[honeykid]

Aaaaaw. I missed a Jaws commentary? :(

[Swan]

I'm down for redoing it with you some time, HK. In fact, you and I need to do a commentary soon!

[Rhys]

I'd be down for a commentary soon too if you were.

[Swan]

Close Encounters of the Third Kind

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn187/bdfolsom/6182ba04-9223-4a3e-b9b8-484fa63be6af_zpskuxakv8p.jpg

With gbgoodies and Gatsby!

[Swan]

Just need to get the movie and set it up.

[gbgoodies]

I'm ready. I have the Director's Cut version in and ready to go. :)

[Swan]

Oh yeah, thanks for reminding - Gatsby, does the DC version work for you?

[Gatsby]

The DC version is the only one I have.

[Swan]

Cool. Let's say press play at :30 (one min)

[Swan]

Playing.

[Swan]

I'd have to think about it, but this might be my favorite Spielberg film. I haven't watched it in a while though.

[gbgoodies]

Playing

[Gatsby]

I love Francois Truffaut in this movie.

[Swan]

I think... people always say Spielberg has no style, which always bewilders my mind. Maybe it's because everyone has copied him since - but think back to when these films came out. There was nothing like them.

[gbgoodies]

I love Francois Truffaut in this movie.


Spielberg said that when he asked Truffaut to be in the movie, he said that he didn't know how to act, except as himself. That's what Spielberg wanted, so he hired him.

I'm pretty sure that this was Truffaut's first American movie.

[Swan]

Heard a little Raiders in the score there for a moment.

[gbgoodies]

Heard a little Raiders in the score there for a moment.


If you listen carefully, you can hear "When You Wish Upon A Star" from Pinocchio.

[Swan]

If you listen carefully, you can hear "When You Wish Upon A Star" from Pinocchio.

Was that intentional?

[Swan]

I was really interested in UFO stuff as a kid, which is probably what makes this movie work for me. I mean, Spielberg is already playing with childhood nostalgia feels.

[gbgoodies]

Was that intentional?


Yes. Spielberg wanted it there. It's at the beginning of the scene at Roy Neary's house in the original version, and if I remember correctly, it's in the closing theme in the Special Edition and the Director's Cut.

[Gatsby]

Black man ignoring what white men are saying.

[Swan]

Black man ignoring what white men are saying.

Racism at its blackest!

[gbgoodies]

In an interview, Spielberg said that he doesn't consider this movie "science fiction". He called this movie "science speculation". He believes in UFOs.

[Swan]

Whoa, that little record player.

[Swan]

In an interview, Spielberg said that he doesn't consider this movie "science fiction". He called this movie "science speculation". He believes in UFOs.

Interesting. Reminds me of how many say Star Wars isn't science fiction, but science fantasy.

[Gatsby]

In case you got mixed up with Munice, Norway.

[Swan]

Whoa! That kid is already in college!

[gbgoodies]

Spielberg called this kid "one-take Cary" because he filmed almost all of his scenes in one take.

Kubrick even wanted Cary Guffey for his movie The Shining.

[Swan]

Spielberg called this kid "one-take Cary" because he filmed almost all of his scenes in one take.

Kubrick even wanted Cary Guffey for his movie The Shining.

Those docs must have been really informative. I'm kind of curious about watching them now.

[gbgoodies]

Interesting. Reminds me of how many say Star Wars isn't science fiction, but science fantasy.


Yeah, there are a lot of discussions about this at sci-fi conventions.

[Gatsby]

I'm gonna graduate college soon, then I won't have to do any problems (hopefully!)

[gbgoodies]

Those docs must have been really informative. I'm kind of curious about watching them now.


I've been a fan of Spielberg for years. I even did a term paper about him for a film class way back when I was in high school.

[Swan]

Spielberg is great. Way, way too underrated among film buffs. Even, perhaps, by me.

[Zotis]

Huh? You can't be serious...

[gbgoodies]

There's another reference to Pinocchio here if you're paying attention.

[Gatsby]

I've been a fan of Spielberg for years. I even did a term paper about him for a film class way back when I was in high school.
Wow that's pretty cool. :up:

[gbgoodies]

BTW, the kid who plays Toby, (the young annoying kid), is Richard Dreyfuss' nephew.

[Gatsby]

Huh? You can't be serious...
His Style is underrated, not films.

[Swan]

Huh? You can't be serious...

Yeah, what Gatsby said, basically. I feel like a lot of "cinephiles" don't give him much credit as a filmmaker, in terms of craft.

[gbgoodies]

I've been a fan of Spielberg for years. I even did a term paper about him for a film class way back when I was in high school.

Wow that's pretty cool. :up:


Yeah, except that I had a lot of information from "Starlog" magazine interviews, and my teacher wasn't familiar with that magazine, so he tried to make me exclude them, so I had to do extra research to back up my facts. It ended up being a lot more work than I had anticipated.

[Swan]

Spielberg is great. Way, way too underrated among film buffs. Even, perhaps, by me.

I can see how this might sound ludicrous. I in no way meant to imply his films aren't recognized as great or loved by many. I was strictly speaking about people who study film in terms of craft.

[gbgoodies]

Richard Dreyfuss heard Spielberg talking about CE3K while they were working on Jaws, and as soon as he heard that they started casting for it, Dreyfuss started campaigning to get the part.

The studio didn't want him, and they asked several other big name actors, but when nobody else worked out, Dreyfuss was hired.

[Swan]

Richard Dreyfuss heard Spielberg talking about CE3K while they were working on Jaws, and as soon as he heard that they started casting for it, Dreyfuss started campaigning to get the part.

The studio didn't want him, and they asked several other big name actors, but when nobody else worked out, Dreyfuss was hired.

The studio never, ever seems to be right when it comes to casting. :laugh:

[Gatsby]

How the hell do those flying round objects resemble ice cream?

[Zotis]

The thing that I really can't stand about Spielberg is the boring filler content most of his movies have, and the total lack of plausibility. The overall quality of what he's produced is very inconsistent. I don't really know how much is due to him personally, or how much is due to people he works with in terms of the quality of the end product. But the only movie he's ever made that impressed me was Schindler's List. And then on the other end of the spectrum he's made quite a few appauling movies.


I always thought Close Encounters of the Third Kind was a pretty boring movie. Sorry... for raining on the parade...

[Swan]

How the hell do those flying round objects resemble ice cream?

Spielberg had quite a sweet tooth.

[gbgoodies]

How the hell do those flying round objects resemble ice cream?


Spielberg was holding stuff off-camera to get him to talk, and something he saw resembled ice cream. Remember, the flying objects weren't actually there while filming.

[gbgoodies]

BTW, a stuntman was injured when driving through that fence. He missed a turn, and crashed. He was in the hospital for several days.

[Sexy Celebrity]

How does a film teacher not know about "Starlog" magazine? I know of that magazine. Is it still around?

[gbgoodies]

Teri Garr was cast in the movie after Spielberg saw her in a commercial.

[Swan]

No worries Zotis. Obviously I disagree, but I don't think you rained on our parade.

[Gatsby]

I noticed Spielberg does a great job of moving things from one place to another. In other films as well.

[Swan]

This parade can't be rained on anyway, since it's indoors.

https://media.giphy.com/media/hsBZfDG7wiWHu/giphy.gif

[gbgoodies]

How does a film teacher not know about "Starlog" magazine? I know of that magazine. Is it still around?


He wasn't a very good teacher. One of our assignments was to do a term paper on a current movie, so we had to pick a movie that was in the movie theater, and pay to see it about ten times.

I used to have a subscription to "Starlog" many years ago, but I haven't seen the magazine in years. I don't know if they still print an actual magazine, but I think they have a web site.

[gbgoodies]

The article on the back of the newspaper that she cuts up is an article about the movie Star Wars.

[Sexy Celebrity]

He wasn't a very good teacher. One of our assignments was to do a term paper on a current movie, so we had to pick a movie that was in the movie theater, and pay to see it about ten times.

You HAD to see it 10 times?! In high school? What kind of school was this?! That would cost every student over $100 today.

[gbgoodies]

BTW, this movie was supposed to be a summer release in 1977, but it got delayed. If it hadn't been delayed, it might have opened against Star Wars. Spielberg and Lucas even had a bet about whose movie would do better.

[gbgoodies]

You HAD to see it 10 times?! In high school? What kind of school was this?! That would cost every student over $100 today.

Yes. That's how bad this teacher was. He was an idiot.

I narrowed it down to either Dead Poets Society or When Harry Met Sally. I chose When Harry Met Sally because I thought Dead Poets Society might be too depressing to see that many times in such a short amount of time.

[Swan]

The Indian chant scene is actually probably my favorite in the film, or one of them, just because it kind of elevates the film to another level in terms of global implications, if that makes sense.

[gbgoodies]

The Indian chant scene is actually probably my favorite in the film, or one of them, just because it kind of elevates the film to another level in terms of global implications, if that makes sense.


The scene with Truffaut is longer in the Special Edition, but it was shortened again for the Director's Cut.

[Sexy Celebrity]

Yes. That's how bad this teacher was. He was an idiot.

I narrowed it down to either Dead Poets Society or When Harry Met Sally. I chose When Harry Met Sally because I thought Dead Poets Society might be too depressing to see that many times in such a short amount of time.
You actually went 10 times? Did you have to prove it with ticket stubs or something?

[Swan]

What else has that twerpy looking guy with the glasses been in?

[Gatsby]

What else has that twerpy looking guy with the glasses been in?
Probably a lab.

[Swan]

Oh it's this guy. He's been in everything.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000837/?ref_=tt_cl_t5

[gbgoodies]

You actually went 10 times? Did you have to prove it with ticket stubs or something?


No. We just had to write a paper with a lot of detail that you wouldn't know if you hadn't seen the movie a bunch of times. I guess if you had a better memory than me you could probably have gotten away with seeing it less times. I picked a movie that I liked, and that was in a second run theater so it was cheaper.

Now that I think about it, it might have been a film course in college. I took a basic film class in high school, and then another one in my first year of college.

[gbgoodies]

What else has that twerpy looking guy with the glasses been in?

Bob Balaban has been in a lot of stuff. I think he played Phoebe's father in "Friends".

He kept a diary while making this movie, and it was released as a book when the movie was released.

[Gatsby]

Some of these scenes are just brilliant.

[Sexy Celebrity]

Oh it's this guy. He's been in everything.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000837/?ref_=tt_cl_t5
Enid's dad in GHOST WORLD.

[Swan]

Some of these scenes are just brilliant.

Really. IDK. Spielberg has certainly made duds and I don't reckon he's as good now as he once was - haven't seen many of his recent flicks - but I don't know how you can watch a scene like this and not find it to be great filmmaking.

[Gatsby]

You guys should see my face right now. I'm smiling like that little kid.

[Daniel M]

I don't dislike Spielberg, but don't absolutely adore him either. I think he's a good filmmaker who's made some great films. My favourites are Jaws, Raiders of the Lost Ark and Temple of Doom, I think. But behind those three I'd probably have Close Encounters as my next favourite. I think it's a really good film. Spielberg knows the language of film well, how to set up shots, how to put them together to build up what he needs, and although it might be a tad long and silly in parts, I think when it's at it's best, Close Encounters has some of his best stuff. At times I think it reminded me of North By Northwest.

[Gatsby]

Really. IDK. Spielberg has certainly made duds and I don't reckon he's as good now as he once was - haven't seen many of his recent flicks - but I don't know how you can watch a scene like this and not find it to be great filmmaking.
I recommend not watching his new flicks. It'll make the magic go away.

[Swan]

I don't dislike Spielberg, but don't absolutely adore him either. I think he's a good filmmaker who's made some great films. My favourites are Jaws, Raiders of the Lost Ark and Temple of Doom, I think. But behind those three I'd probably have Close Encounters as my next favourite. I think it's a really good film. Spielberg knows the language of film well, how to set up shots, how to put them together to build up what he needs, and although it might be a tad long and silly in parts, I think when it's at it's best, Close Encounters has some of his best stuff. At times I think it reminded me of North By Northwest.

Yeah well, I think you're silly in parts. :D

[gbgoodies]

Really. IDK. Spielberg has certainly made duds and I don't reckon he's as good now as he once was - haven't seen many of his recent flicks - but I don't know how you can watch a scene like this and not find it to be great filmmaking.


Spielberg's older movies are about fantasy, adventure, and wonder. Some of his newer movies are more about factual stuff. like war movies, so I prefer his early stuff.

[Swan]

Spielberg's older movies are about fantasy, adventure, and wonder. Some of his newer movies are more about factual stuff. like war movies, so I prefer his early stuff.

That's the thing. I feel like Spielberg is incredible with the fantasy and wonder stuff. I'm not crazy about his more factual, realistic films, which he seems to enjoy doing nowadays.

[Daniel M]

Yeah I think that's one of the main problems with his newer stuff, they're a bit dull and lacking in creativity/imagination like the earlier stuff.

[Gatsby]

Yeah I think that's one of the main problems with his newer stuff, they're a bit dull and lacking in creativity/imagination like the earlier stuff.
They also lack effort and energy, which IMO is the main problem.

[gbgoodies]

I don't dislike Spielberg, but don't absolutely adore him either. I think he's a good filmmaker who's made some great films. My favourites are Jaws, Raiders of the Lost Ark and Temple of Doom, I think. But behind those three I'd probably have Close Encounters as my next favourite. I think it's a really good film. Spielberg knows the language of film well, how to set up shots, how to put them together to build up what he needs, and although it might be a tad long and silly in parts, I think when it's at it's best, Close Encounters has some of his best stuff. At times I think it reminded me of North By Northwest.


Like when they're climbing Devil's Tower? That shot is similar to North By Northwest when Cary Grant is on Mount Rushmore.

[Swan]

I think Jaws is probably his most taut, "perfect" film, but Close Encounters is just the most enjoyable for me, and like Dan said has some of his best stuff.

[Gatsby]

Lincoln is my favorite Spielberg... said no one ever. Raiders is my fav. :p

[Zotis]

Well, movies like Jaws and the Indiana Jones movies are not great movies. They are entertaining, and have interesting subject matter, but in terms of acting, cinematography, meaningful content, and other more important aspects of filmmaking, they are nothing special.

[Gatsby]

Dad, stop playing with your food!

[gbgoodies]

Close Encounters is my favorite Spielberg movie, but E.T. is a close second.

[Daniel M]

Like when they're climbing Devil's Tower? That shot is similar to North By Northwest when Cary Grant is on Mount Rushmore.

Yeah, that in particular :)

[Sexy Celebrity]

Someone's looking at that damn Geena Davis picture again. I wonder if Geena Davis realizes how much she's masturbated to.

[gbgoodies]

Well, movies like Jaws and the Indiana Jones movies are not great movies. They are entertaining, and have interesting subject matter, but in terms of acting, cinematography, meaningful content, and other more important aspects of filmmaking, they are nothing special.

Close Encounters was groundbreaking in special effects. They did things that had never been done before. There were some effects that they didn't even know how they were going to do them when they started the movie.

[Swan]

Well, movies like Jaws and the Indiana Jones movies are not great movies. They are entertaining, and have interesting subject matter, but in terms of acting, cinematography, meaningful content, and other more important aspects of filmmaking, they are nothing special.

That's the thing though, I think they are really well-done in those terms. I think there are a lot of reasons people can't see it though. His long takes are far superior than just about anyone who likes doing long takes, precisely because they are so invisible and manage to direct the viewers attention in masterful ways. With Spielberg, you're not meant to pay attention to the craft while you just sit back and enjoy the film - but it's always happening, always influencing your emotions and reaction to the film. At least, that's the case with his great films.

[Gatsby]

Swany boy nailed it.

[Gatsby]

Looney Tunes always helps.

[Sexy Celebrity]

Another guest is sending "Song Tournament: Therapy Edition" to a friend. The entire thread.

It says "Guest is sending thread to a friend."

I guess by e-mail.

What kind of friend are you if you're sending them that stupid thread?! It didn't even happen. And I thought I was a bad friend to people.

[gbgoodies]

Did you notice Marvin the Martian in the background?

https://static.pinshape.com/s3-proxy/public/uploads/image/file/29242/marvin-the-martian-ray-gun-3d-printing-29242.gif

[Daniel M]

Well, movies like Jaws and the Indiana Jones movies are not great movies. They are entertaining, and have interesting subject matter, but in terms of acting, cinematography, meaningful content, and other more important aspects of filmmaking, they are nothing special.

Disagree. I think the cinematography and editing of those two films are what make them great films.

[gbgoodies]

The scenes of him getting stuff to build a large Devil's Tower are longer in the original version.

[Swan]

Maybe I like this film because he gets so obsessive over it. I can very much relate to that sort of personality.

[Gatsby]

Raiders' climax consists of melting dozens of Nazis with a spirit. That's why it's awesome.

[Swan]

The scenes of him getting stuff to build a large Devil's Tower are longer in the original version.

That's a shame. I love all the stuff that shows his obsessive personality. It's one of my favorite things in the film.

[gbgoodies]

That's a shame. I love all the stuff that shows his obsessive personality. It's one of my favorite things in the film.


There's a 30th Anniversary DVD box set that has all three versions of the movie.

[Daniel M]

Again, I think people think of cinematography too much as pretty images. Look at Alfred Hitchcock's films, would most people describe them as having fantastic cinematography? Probably not. But they do. Cinematography should be about the decision of what to include within each frame, how everything relates together, how things interact, what is shown and unshown, and each shots coherence with other shots, that's why I think editings important. There's nothing flashy or beautiful about Spielberg's earlier films on a very surface level, say in the same way as Schindler's List or Saving Private Ryan, but in terms of the cinematography actually being meaningful, connecting with the content, telling a story, it's some of the best in film, possibly.

I rewatched Temple of Doom recently and to be honest I thought I might have hated it, my taste in films has evolved, and I wasn't sure how certain stereotypes would hold up now I'm older, but I still thought it was a great movie, whilst it has issues, I was impressed by just how greatly crafted it was.

[Swan]

There's a 30th Anniversary DVD box set that has all three versions of the movie.

Yeah, thankfully I have the two-disc blu-ray set that has all three versions, too.

[Sexy Celebrity]

I like the fact that people are doing some serious movie discussion in a commentary thread.

[gbgoodies]

The news reporter on the TV was supposed to be Walter Cronkite, but they couldn't get him. But that explains Roy's comment later in the movie about "investigating every Walter Cronkite story".

[Swan]

Again, I think people think of cinematography too much as pretty images. Look at Alfred Hitchcock's films, would most people describe them as having fantastic cinematography? Probably not. But they do. Cinematography should be about the decision of what to include within each frame, how everything relates together, how things interact, what is shown and unshown, and each shots coherence with other shots, that's why I think editings important. There's nothing flashy or beautiful about Spielberg's earlier films on a very surface level, say in the same way as Schindler's List or Saving Private Ryan, but in terms of the cinematography actually being meaningful, connecting with the content, telling a story, it's some of the best in film, possibly.

I rewatched Temple of Doom recently and to be honest I thought I might have hated it, my taste in films has evolved, and I wasn't sure how certain stereotypes would hold up now I'm older, but I still thought it was a great movie, whilst it has issues, I was impressed my just had greatly crafted it was.

Yeah, I feel like a lot of people think "language of film" has to be flashy and showy, but it doesn't have to be. I think "language of film," really, is all about how you are try to persuade, influence, challenge the audience, and how you craft the film around that.