[quote=FilmBuff][I]Black Widow[/I] is definitely one of Cate Shortland's best pictures[/quote]

[quote=Sedai]Someone's hacked McClane's account.[/quote]

[quote=John McClane][i]Black Widow[/i] is still the best MCU movie, and I will die on that hill.[/quote]

[quote=FilmBuff]Opinions vary[/quote]

[quote=Sedai]Everyone knows my taste is shit, but I will certainly make a case that the [i]Captain America[/i] films are pretty damned good - all three of them. [i]Guardians of the Galaxy[/i] is fun and entertaining, and [i]Infinity War[/i] was a hell of a lot of fun in theaters. The[i] Iron Man[/i] stuff got progressively worse, but I recall the first film being extremely well-received at the time. 

This stuff clearly isn't timeless, as public opinion has soured quite a bit on even the films that used to get reviewed really well.[/quote]

[quote=FilmBuff]I wonder if you watched the same movies I did :p[/quote]

[quote=Sedai]Fair point. Most (all?) of it was drawn from previous source material. I still think they deserve some credit for engineering it all together with a plan from start to finish, with really only a few missteps up until the finale. Especially when comparing it to the garbage that came/is still coming after that era. 

Like I said: For better or for worse. For people who grew up with the comics and liked the characters, it was fun to see them put to screen with some success. Sadly, it grew into a marketing monster and eventually collapsed under its own weight. Many people never want to see another super hero film again. 

Alas, they are on their way out, which will make folks like Minio fairly happy, I presume.[/quote]

[quote=FilmBuff][quote=Sedai]
at least the Russo brothers tried to map out a giant story arc with at least a modicum of vision. 
[/quote]

The big story arc wasn't really their idea, though. They were just hired hands.[/quote]

[quote=Sedai]Speaking or worse and worse copies...I just saw the Alien: Romulus thread float to the top of the sidebar.

Cinema is probably doomed.[/quote]

[quote=Sedai][quote=Mr Minio][quote=Sedai]I would say many of the recent Disney live action remakes of their animated films usurp Marvel as the worst shit out there recently.[/quote] The exact same thing, only a different name/studio/producers/whatever. It's the exact same non-cinema.[/quote]

I think it sinks even lower, as at least the Russo brothers tried to map out a giant story arc with at least a modicum of vision. It ended up spiraling out of control and becoming worse and worse copies of itself, but I count at least a few decent flicks in the bunch. The Winter Soldier is a pretty good spy thriller, for better or for worse. 

The live-action remakes are nothing more than creatively bankrupt business decisions meant to secure rights to properties that are about to fall into the public domain.[/quote]