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Yeah, none of those shouts sound political to me. One thing is clear, though, and that is this mess is fitting within Russia�s history of rule: trickle down Tetris style. And history has shown us time and again how it ends for the guy sending the blocks down.

[quote=John McClane]Yeah, none of those shouts sound political to me. One thing is clear, though, and that is this mess is fitting within Russia�s history of rule: trickle down Tetris style. And history has shown us time and again how it ends for the guy sending the blocks down.[/quote]

AgrippinaX 02-28-22

Originally Posted by Mr Minio

Chill to some Burzum, bro. It's gonna be alright.

Ha, that�s pretty good!

[quote=AgrippinaX][quote=Mr Minio][youtube]https://youtu.be/DPyOhP1GTRQ[/youtube]

Chill to some Burzum, bro. It's gonna be alright.[/quote]

Ha, that�s pretty good![/quote]

Mr Minio 02-28-22

Chill to some Burzum, bro. It's gonna be alright.

[quote=Mr Minio][youtube]https://youtu.be/DPyOhP1GTRQ[/youtube]

Chill to some Burzum, bro. It's gonna be alright.[/quote]

AgrippinaX 02-28-22

Originally Posted by Mr Minio

Well, you could easily go to such lengths as to say that calling this an invasion is political too since Russia officially only calls this a special operation.

If I shouldn't talk about Ukraine at all, I won't. But there definitely is the will and need to voice an opinion even if it boils down to "Putin is bad" or "Russian army is unprepared for this war because..." or "dozens of civilians are dying in the Kharkiv area".

Perhaps you�re right. I don�t know what practical use that serves, though. But I do see the rationale in the above.

[quote=AgrippinaX][quote=Mr Minio]Well, you could easily go to such lengths as to say that calling this an invasion is political too since Russia officially only calls this a special operation.

If I shouldn't talk about Ukraine at all, I won't. But there definitely is the will and need to voice an opinion even if it boils down to "Putin is bad" or "Russian army is unprepared for this war because..." or "dozens of civilians are dying in the Kharkiv area".[/quote]

Perhaps you�re right. I don�t know what practical use that serves, though. But I do see the rationale in the above.[/quote]

Mr Minio 02-28-22

Well, the last one is a fact.

[quote=Mr Minio]Well, the last one is a fact.[/quote]

Mr Minio 02-28-22

Well, you could easily go to such lengths as to say that calling this an invasion is political too since Russia officially only calls this a special operation.

If I shouldn't talk about Ukraine at all, I won't. But there definitely is the will and need to voice an opinion even if it boils down to "Putin is bad" or "Russian army is unprepared for this war because..." or "dozens of civilians are dying in the Kharkiv area".

[quote=Mr Minio]Well, you could easily go to such lengths as to say that calling this an invasion is political too since Russia officially only calls this a special operation.

If I shouldn't talk about Ukraine at all, I won't. But there definitely is the will and need to voice an opinion even if it boils down to "Putin is bad" or "Russian army is unprepared for this war because..." or "dozens of civilians are dying in the Kharkiv area".[/quote]

AgrippinaX 02-28-22

Originally Posted by Mr Minio

When talking about war, it's very easy to pivot to politics. But war itself is clearly not politics per se. Otherwise, you could extrapolate nearly anything to politics. I can understand why the topic may be irritating, though.

That is, of course, correct. But one�s POV on any war will be inherently political. I presume unless you�ve spoken to the man himself, you can�t reliably know what Putin did or didn�t think (especially with the ample reports that he may well be acting irrationally/not be altogether well). I take such analysis of a party�s intentions as pretty political. Not to mention that so is the very term �war� (though I agree that it�s appropriate in this case).

[quote=AgrippinaX][quote=Mr Minio]When talking about war, it's very easy to pivot to politics. But war itself is clearly not politics per se. Otherwise, you could extrapolate nearly anything to politics. I can understand why the topic may be irritating, though.[/quote]

That is, of course, correct. But one�s POV on any war will be inherently political. I presume unless you�ve spoken to the man himself, you can�t reliably know what Putin did or didn�t think (especially with the ample reports that he may well be acting irrationally/not be altogether well). I take such analysis of a party�s intentions as pretty political. Not to mention that so is the very term �war� (though I agree that it�s appropriate in this case).[/quote]

Chypmunk 02-28-22

*sigh* I remember when I used to be able to pivot. Oh to be young again

[quote=Chypmunk]*sigh* I remember when I used to be able to pivot. Oh to be young again :([/quote]

Mr Minio 02-28-22

When talking about war, it's very easy to pivot to politics. But war itself is clearly not politics per se. Otherwise, you could extrapolate nearly anything to politics. I can understand why the topic may be irritating, though.

[quote=Mr Minio]When talking about war, it's very easy to pivot to politics. But war itself is clearly not politics per se. Otherwise, you could extrapolate nearly anything to politics. I can understand why the topic may be irritating, though.[/quote]

AgrippinaX 02-28-22

For once, I�m fully with Yoda on the �no politics� rule, my mother has been crying for the entire week, I haven�t slept in 3 days, I literally have stress pain in my liver, and the last place one wants to see more of this stuff is here.

[quote=AgrippinaX]For once, I�m fully with Yoda on the �no politics� rule, my mother has been crying for the entire week, I haven�t slept in 3 days, I literally have stress pain in my liver, and the last place one wants to see more of this stuff is here.[/quote]

Mr Minio 02-28-22

Originally Posted by John W Constantine

the Ukrainians can defend themselves

They're very valiant. The power of the Russian army proved a myth. During the invasion of Ukraine, all the issues that plagued their army came to the fore. From outdated equipment (50-year-old bombs that do not explode and tanks that cannot resist modern Western equipment) to monstrous shortages in logistics and supply to disastrously low morale.

But this shouldn't come as a surprise. This was meant to be a short military operation. Putin thought that once the Russian army enters Ukraine, Ukrainians will welcome their "liberators" with flowers and give up their country. Yes, he's that detached from the real world.

An article was leaked that was supposed to be published only after Russia conquered Ukraine. It was supposed to be a short 24-hour military operation. And that was the only thing Russians were prepared for. Now they're working ad hoc, coming up with all their ideas in real-time.

This is an interesting conflict to observe, military-wise. Russia, very much so like the former USSR, is a giant with feet of clay. If they win (and now it's an if, used to be a sure-fire several days ago), they will pay with so many casualties, no country will want to do a similar thing for many years to come.

The only danger associated with the whole thing is that after Putin realizes he's got nothing to lose, he is prone to start using more dangerous weapons and escalate, escalate, escalate... Belarus is joining the invasion now... While using nukes is very unlikely, carpet bombing and thermobaric bombs are a possibility.

One thing is clear. This war will leave many cities razed to the ground. The number of casualties on both sides will be enormous. "War is bad?" sounds almost cynical. This is no longer politics. This is nightmare.

[quote=Mr Minio][quote=John W Constantine] the Ukrainians can defend themselves[/quote]
They're very valiant. The power of the Russian army proved a myth. During the invasion of Ukraine, all the issues that plagued their army came to the fore. From outdated equipment (50-year-old bombs that do not explode and tanks that cannot resist modern Western equipment) to monstrous shortages in logistics and supply to disastrously low morale.

But this shouldn't come as a surprise. This was meant to be a short military operation. Putin thought that once the Russian army enters Ukraine, Ukrainians will welcome their "liberators" with flowers and give up their country. Yes, he's that detached from the real world.

An article was leaked that was supposed to be published only after Russia conquered Ukraine. It was supposed to be a short 24-hour military operation. And that was the only thing Russians were prepared for. Now they're working ad hoc, coming up with all their ideas in real-time.

This is an interesting conflict to observe, military-wise. Russia, very much so like the former USSR, is a giant with feet of clay. If they win (and now it's an if, used to be a sure-fire several days ago), they will pay with so many casualties, no country will want to do a similar thing for many years to come.

The only danger associated with the whole thing is that after Putin realizes he's got nothing to lose, he is prone to start using more dangerous weapons and escalate, escalate, escalate... Belarus is joining the invasion now... While using nukes is very unlikely, carpet bombing and thermobaric bombs are a possibility.

One thing is clear. This war will leave many cities razed to the ground. The number of casualties on both sides will be enormous. "War is bad?" sounds almost cynical. This is no longer politics. This is nightmare.[/quote]

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