[quote=jiraffejustin]And Imagine is a terrible song too[/quote]

[quote=Powdered Water]I'm not super clear on what he's done. I'll admit. Which is why I'm confused as to why so many other's are so sure he in fact was a bad guy. 

His own son thought he was a sh*tty Dad but barely knew him. Where does this stuff come from?

I don't know, man. Not trying to pick some kind of shoutbox fight over John Lennon. I think the idea of that would actually make him cry. 

I'll let him say it, as ultimately I believe it was him saying things like this that got him killed. He was accountable though, I believe that wholeheartedly.

[i]"That is why I am always on about peace, you see. It is the most violent people who go for love and peace. Everything's the opposite. But I sincerely believe in love and peace.

"I am not violent man who has learned not to be violent and regrets his violence. I will have to be a lot older before I can face in public how I treated women as a youngster."[/i][/quote]

[quote=Yoda][quote=Powdered Water]This conversation would probably make my momma cry.[/quote]
I dunno if this describes your momma, or anyone here, but I think it's too easy to fall in love with someone's art and/or message and start thinking they must be a good person, even though the two are only somewhat related.[/quote]

[quote=Yoda]Well, if you hadn't heard he'd done those things, it stands to reason you wouldn't have heard people condemn him for them, either, I guess.

I think my summation was pretty neutral. However harsh it sounds is a reflection of the actions.[/quote]

[quote=Powdered Water]This conversation would probably make my momma cry.[/quote]

[quote=Camo]Beating women and emotionally abusing your young son is pretty harsh too.[/quote]

[quote=Stirchley][quote=Yoda] But he was a pretty crappy dude for most of his life.[/quote]

Never heard anyone say that before about Lennon. Seems very harsh.[/quote]

[quote=Camo][quote=Chypmunk]I know it doesn't counteract any of the below (and nor should it) but he was an early adopter of championing peas though.[/quote]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd5ZFuBqHgs[/quote]

[quote=Sedai]I vaguely recall a story about how he used to pull knives on people at a young age, and one time threatened to pull a knife on his mother, or did pull one on her? I would have to track down that source before making that claim for sure, though.[/quote]

[quote=ynwtf]stop it, stop it!
*plugs ears and hums the soundtrack to E.T. Er... Indiana Jones? WHICHEVER blocks you all out!!!*

ugh. and I HATE peas so double dammit. I need an Aleve.[/quote]

[quote=Chypmunk]I know it doesn't counteract any of the below (and nor should it) but he was an early adopter of championing peas though.[/quote]