[quote=Yoda][quote=John McClane]Agreed, but what's to say it's crazy to rely solely on Him if He really is loving and able to do so?[/quote]
Apart from being at odds with the concept of free will, we can say it's crazy because of our many shared experiences that whether or not God exists, He does not invariably heal everyone.

On top of they don't really have any reason to believe it, either. It's not as if their reason was pitted against their faith, because their faith doesn't command them to forego medical care. Unless they're part of some bizarre cult.[/quote]

[quote=BobbyB][quote=John McClane]I gotta say, I don't see anything wrong with that statement. I mean, life sucks so why would I wanna do it more than once? :D[/quote]
To be so discontent and unhappy and lonely about life that your only fear in dying is that reincarnation could end out being true and you'll have to live your life over again.

Very sad.[/quote]

[quote=Caitlyn][quote=Sedai]The witch just got slapped a bunch of times. She is alive and well (as well as a loon can be, anyway).[/quote]

Why'd you call her a loon? Seems to me the loony is the guy who hired her in the first place... ;D 

And PW... Personally I think those parents should be held accountable...[/quote]

[quote=John McClane]Americans like to put faith on a pedestal. Serious criticism of it in this country is frowned upon, especially if you claim belief in one of the Big Three. Should they be held responsible? Of course. Will they? Doubtful.[/quote]

[quote=Powdered Water][url=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,341869,00.html]In case you missed it.[/url] This is what I was going on about in the first place. McClane posted it yesterday and personally I'm not interested in another discussion about [i]"Gettin right with Jesus"[/i]. the issue here for me is whether or not these parents should be held upside down by their naughty bits for essentially killing their child.[/quote]

[quote=John McClane][quote=Yoda]I think there's a leap in logic here. Belief in God's technical ability to heal in no way infers that we should be totally reliant on it. That's the part of their beliefs that's crazy.[/quote]Agreed, but what's to say it's crazy to rely solely on Him if He really is loving and able to do so? There's nothing to say, really. Except logic, reason, and medical experience, of course.[/quote]

[quote=Yoda][quote=John McClane]I always find this quite funny coming from a religious person because they are just as guilty as I am when I say people who believe in God are crazy. I mean, if they *honestly* believe it they can't very well be crazy. Unless of course you're willing to surrender the notion that faith in God is crazy. Which I'd fine that hard pressed for any Christian to do.[/quote]
I think there's a leap in logic here. Belief in God's technical ability to heal in no way infers that we should be totally reliant on it. That's the part of their beliefs that's crazy.

[quote=John McClane]I never said they were normal Christians. :nope:[/quote]
No, of course not; you never come out and say those sorts of things. ;) But there was the usual, unmistakable implication that such craziness is standard for religion, rather than an abberation.[/quote]

[quote=John McClane]Bump it like it's hot! :D[/quote]

[quote=John McClane][quote=Yoda]They absolutely are crazy religious people.[/quote]I always find this quite funny coming from a religious person because they are just as guilty as I am when I say people who believe in God are crazy. I mean, if they *honestly* believe it they can't very well be crazy. Unless of course you're willing to surrender the notion that faith in God is crazy. Which I'd fine that hard pressed for any Christian to do.

[quote]For evidence of this, see: the 99.9% of Christians who go to the doctor.[/quote]I never said they were normal Christians. :nope:[/quote]

[quote=John McClane]But I still say Benjamin Franklin said it best: [i]"To Follow by faith alone is to follow blindly."[/i][/quote]

[quote=John McClane][i]"Faith in your partner, your fellow men, your friends, is very important, because without it there's no mutual component to your relationship, and relationships are important. So faith plays an important role, but faith in people you don't know, faith in religious or political leaders or even people on stages, people who are popular in the public eye, you shouldn't have faith in those people. You should listen to what they have to say and use it."[/i] [b]-Greg Graffin[/b][/quote]