[quote=John McClane][i]"Faith in your partner, your fellow men, your friends, is very important, because without it there's no mutual component to your relationship, and relationships are important. So faith plays an important role, but faith in people you don't know, faith in religious or political leaders or even people on stages, people who are popular in the public eye, you shouldn't have faith in those people. You should listen to what they have to say and use it."[/i] [b]-Greg Graffin[/b][/quote]

[quote=Sedai]Faith is certainly not unreasonable, and McClane only gets to decide what he thinks is unreasonable, not what actually is unreasonable, a decision that can only be made by, of course...ME!  


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[quote=Austruck]bumpety bump[/quote]

[quote=Austruck][quote=John McClane][quote=Powdered Water]How is what the did anything other than murder?[/quote]It's not any different. It was a horrible form of child abuse. The sad thing is they probably aren't "crazy religious people."

Just normal people that *actually* believe in that mumbo jumbo. Irrational thought processes like this form when we fancy faith over reason. But hey, I'm just sayin'... :D[/quote]

Another irksome statement. I don't define faith as "stuff you believe despite the fact that it disagrees with everything we currently know." But apparently you do, John. 

And yet you probably think you don't "take anything on faith," as the saying goes. So I'm guessing that whatever elements of your worldview are based on faith are things you'd find a way to categorize differently.

I reeeeally dislike the assumption that faith (as you define it, usually a belief in God) is by definition unreasonable.[/quote]

[quote=Powdered Water]Oh, and to continue with: "I don't know what its doing at your house but here its raining Cats and Dogs".

Yesterday: Snow and Sunshine. Today Rain. Gotta love Washington in Spring.[/quote]

[quote=Powdered Water][quote=John McClane]

 Irrational thought processes like this form when we fancy faith over reason. But hey, I'm just sayin'... :D[/quote]

That's a pretty broad statement, but I kind of agree.[/quote]

[quote=Yoda]My mistake, I thought it said she'd died.[/quote]

[quote=Sedai]The witch just got slapped a bunch of times. She is alive and well (as well as a loon can be, anyway).[/quote]

[quote=Yoda]I think PW may have been referring to the other news story about the "witch." Not sure though.

[quote=John McClane]The sad thing is they probably aren't "crazy religious people."[/quote]
They absolutely are crazy religious people.

[quote=John McClane]Just normal people that *actually* believe in that mumbo jumbo.[/quote]
They're definitely not normal. For evidence of this, see: the 99.9% of Christians who go to the doctor.[/quote]

[quote=John McClane][quote=Powdered Water]How is what the did anything other than murder?[/quote]It's not any different. It was a horrible form of child abuse. The sad thing is they probably aren't "crazy religious people."

Just normal people that *actually* believe in that mumbo jumbo. Irrational thought processes like this form when we fancy faith over reason. But hey, I'm just sayin'... :D[/quote]

[quote=Caitlyn]I have my air conditioner on...[/quote]