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The Shoutbox
MovieGal   07-20-19
@John McClane...you have heard of the new film...."Ford vs Ferrari"?
John McClane   07-20-19
Ford flourished after that bailout but even they have failed to innovate.
John McClane   07-20-19
I never was a fan of Pontiac. GM had a bad habit of running too many brands, and they have done a poor job with the few they have left.

I really wish we hadn’t bailed them out.
MovieGal   07-20-19
Originally Posted by John McClane
@MovieGal: I seriously want nothing to do with GM. They should have killed Pontiac first but instead they went for the easy target: Olds. They didn’t even try to save Olds and, if anything, helped kill it quicker.

I mean, it was the only American made car in the world’s top 3 oldest car brands, and now we have no claim to such fame. How do you kill a rich history like that?!

Pontiacs were their line of sports cars.. they were the highest priced cars other than Buicks. Original price of a 1968 Firebird in 1968 was $2,887. If you have a "Concours" (mint) one now days,, its worth about $38,000. I wish I had $38,000 now to buy one
John McClane   07-20-19
Olds was the brand of firsts: the assembly line, the speedometer, the monobloc V8, and the automatic transmission. They even made the first windshield HUD and were the first FWD stock car to win on Pike’s Peak.

That’s a lot of history in one shout
John McClane   07-20-19
@MovieGal: I seriously want nothing to do with GM. They should have killed Pontiac first but instead they went for the easy target: Olds. They didn’t even try to save Olds and, if anything, helped kill it quicker.

I mean, it was the only American made car in the world’s top 3 oldest car brands, and now we have no claim to such fame. How do you kill a rich history like that?!
Cynema De Bergerac   07-20-19
MovieGal   07-20-19
My dad worked for GM... we only had american made cars... my brothers drove Rivieras, Chevelles and Novas.
MovieGal   07-20-19
Originally Posted by John McClane
As much as I like Corvettes I will never own a GM car again.
If someone gave you an old firebird, would you take it? Something along the line of 68 or 69?
doubledenim   07-20-19
Originally Posted by John McClane
Seriously, you don’t axe a line like Oldsmobile without consequences. They drove me right into the arms of the Japanese.

I used to **** on imports. Now they are the best thing since sliced bread.
I know that Gran Turismo did a lot for japanese motors within my generation. It was hard to find much about those cars, but then all of a sudden you had them and could drive them
doubledenim   07-20-19
Cadillac is just an up-branded Chevy with gadgets. We had an XTS that Webster's defined as underwhelming.

The Impala looks better for cheaper.
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