If You were in Hell....!

I got to thinking about movies and hell and this disaster popped in my mind...




...and if I had to sit though it again I'd know for sure I was in hell...


BTW, I like Bull Durham too... definitely not a movie I would consider tortuous to re-watch...

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The Grudge

that would movie was the worst peice of ****. utterly pointless..

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"Chinese, Japanese, dirty knees, look at these."

Japanese horror films are fairly torturous and slow. Not a lot happens. Then again, I've seen some American horror films where I have been routing for the killer, so they'd all die and the film would be over. going. Too much sameness about them.

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All secrets are safe with this man, because none are as deadly to him as his own. His secret is that he is Richard Kimble. (The Fugitive - Conspiracy of Silence)

I didn't mind Ghost Rider though it took about 45 minutes to get going. I thought Nicholas Cage was too old for the role. It needed someone about 20.

The only safe thing about it, is that it's what most of the kids today want. More gore, more CGI, so yeah, remake all the "boring to them" films of the past.

I'll have to blame the parents. Mainly because my children aren't like this. They don't even care for the new Star Wars films. They prefer the original three.

Yes, I know those aren't remakes, but it's a good example of what I'm saying.

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I've noticed some people hated films I liked. Grave of the Fireflies was unremitting gloom and doom. The Man Who Wasn't There was just that. He chain smoked but was barely a background character.

Gloom and Doom makes it a bad film? It was about the holocaust, after all. Ah, wait...I think I see where you are going with this, in that you aren't coming down on the quality of the film, but were affected by it in such a way that it made you feel hellish, maybe? That, I can understand. It is certainly a depressing flick.

As for The Man Who Wasn't There... Right! That was the whole point of the film, I thought. Not sure how his smoking plays into this.

On a technical level, this film is brilliant. I have trouble finding flaw with this film, actually. I am still not sure how one would equate this film with hell, though. It's not a good film, it's a great film. A film is hellish if the main character isn't the main focus at all times? I just don't get it.

Ghost Rider, on the other hand, is absolutely abysmal on every level. It's put together terribly, directed poorly, and chock full of horrendous performances centered around one of the silliest, campiest, most poorly written screenplays of all time. This is simply one of the worst films ever made, period.

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I don't know what the heck "rep points" are, but I'm in total agreement that women are smart. Most of women I know are much smarter than the average male. At least they used to be; frankly I'm worried about some of the younger people today.

Now that's an awfully bold gender-baiting statement! I hope this isn't going to come down to comparing lists of conquests! Personally, I think our primary difference is more generational than gender--I prefer romance over meaningless sex. I think there are a lot of us guys who are way more sentimental and romantic than women who often are too pragmatic.

Well, let's take a closer look at that quote:
I believe in the soul--which shows he's part of the majority since most people say they believe in a soul. But a soul in what respect? Something that's going to heaven or something that will haunt a house? Soul food, soul music, soul dancing--a lot of us like those things.

The cock; The pussy--sounds like a 14-year-old's concept of sex. Wham, bam, thank you m'am. There's no romance there, no feelings beyond the tactile type. And often no satisfaction for at least one partner. I prefer a slower, more romantic approach that doesn't include that kind of language when I first meet a lady.

The small of a woman’s back--got nothing against that, although if I had to pick just one part of a woman's anatomy, I'd choose the left shoulder blade. Personally I've found every woman has at least one very attractive physical feature; it may be her hair, or her lips or her eyes; her laugh, her smile, the way she carries herself. Every woman is aware of her best feature, and when a guy compliments that feature, a woman knows he's sincere and not just trying to suck up.

The hanging curveball--which goes pass me since I don't care for baseball.

Hi-fiber--certainly is healthy, but so is vegetable ruffage that usually tastes better than some of the hi-fiber cereals on the market.

Good scotch--I don't drink scotch. It's unAmerican.

That the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap--like, duh, doesn't every one think that?

I believe that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone--most smart people do.

I believe there oughta be a constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter;--I never use either, and I think constitutional amendments are too important to waste on drivel like that.

I believe in the sweet spot;--I assume he's talking about the "sweet spot" of a baseball bat. But some guys can get a lady without having to use a bat.

Soft-core pornography--which would be what exactly? If it's soft-core is it really pornography? And can't the right woman turn a guy on more than pornagraphy?

Open your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas eve--Personally I prefer it the other way around, but that's because I've shared Christmas morning with children who need room around the tree for presents from Santa. I've always thought Christmas Day should be reserved primarly for children.

And I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last for three days--sounds like some of those marathons that were so popular back in the 1930s. Who could dance the longest, kiss the longest, keep their hands on a give-away automobile the longest. Besides, it's like I advised my son when he started dating--"go out with girls who are interesting to talk to, because you can't kiss them all the time."

Anyway, when you get to the end of that cliched quote, what have you really learned about the guy? The sexy thing is not what he said but the fact that he refused to compete and walked out. Women as a rule like what they can't have, and if a guy plays hard to get, they will work even harder to get him. Certainly happened that way in that film.

Aha!! Well then, if I absolutely had to repeatedly watch the film 1776 or S. O. B. (Standard Operational Bulls**t) while I was in hell, then I'd definitely suffer. The same could be said for any film about any third-world problems, including La Numba.

I am a woman. My first thought about that speech was, what a complete wanker.

That's not intended as disrespect for anyone that it makes happy or throbbing or whatever. I'm happy you find joy in it but not every woman does.

Rufneck I thought your points were right on point. I gave you a rep point for it too.

I will say I love the small of a woman's back and the small of a man's back for that matter. I can't stand scotch. There are times I'd much rather get to the main event than kiss. A kiss that lasted three days would actually irritate me. I like opening presents anytime. The rest I don't much care about.

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Grave of the Fireflies was a very grim film. Of course it was well made, etc. It was just the content.

The Man Who Wasn't There, I kept waiting for something to happen, then there is a murder and I thought; "Big deal!" Not a lot of smoking in films these days so it does tend to stand out.

I liked Ghost Rider so we'll have to agree to differ on that. It does depend on what you want in a film.

I don't want this to hijack this thread, but I don't believe they do. Unless you think that someone's smart if they do believe that, then you'd be correct.

Maybe this is more of an indictment on my sexual appeal than anything else, but if I ever repeated that Bull Durham speech to a girl, I'm pretty sure she'd just laugh at me. I think that's a good judge of a movie's dialogue - If you tried it out in real life, would you sound like a total lame-o-zoid? That said, I actually do like Bull Durham; albeit in a very, very goofy way. Tim Robbin's horrible pitching mechanics aside, if hell is watching that flick on a continuous loop, then I'd be all right.

And I love that rufnek doesn't know what "rep points" are.

Especially since he gets them quite often...

I agree with your dialogue point, BTW. The sad thing is that a lot, and I mean a lot, of movie dialogue does not hold up under that test.

So are we in agreement or not--I'm not quite sure.

Personally, I don't believe in "secret" conspiracies. It's been my experiece that if two people are in on a secret, it's bound to be found out. The more people who are involved, the quicker it will break.

I agree with your point, chef. If you said that in real life, would it fly or not. I think not.

As for rep points, I'm old and computer challenged. I can barely type on these damn things, and I know nothing about terms and jargon.

I am too but I know what rep points are how do you think you got that green bar under your name

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Health is the greatest gift, contentment the greatest wealth, faithfulness the best relationship.
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I've never noticed that green bar before, but then I think that's because I've got a dot rather than a bar. Now I know what it means...

Oh my god, where have I been?

The Bull Durham speech was actually analyzed in this thread??



It's not supposed to sound realistic! Of course regular guys would be laughed at if they gave that speech... that's not the point! The entire film is full of weird funny lines and speeches... it's a cleverly written film by a man who obviously loves baseball and sex. Ron Shelton brilliantly put the two together. I just think the screenplay is pretty amazing.

I'm going to die. I'm so sad.

And rufnek not knowing rep points is so cute! Rufnek -- don't take my above post too seriously. I'm sorta joking a bit here, but I was rather shocked to see that speech analyzed!

Good job though.

Oh, and I believe in the soul.

And well, everything else he said there except the part about the designated hitter. I'm from the American League.

The DH takes all the nuance and strategy out of baseball.

And we shouldn't have interleague games, either.