Batman vs. Superman: Dawn of Justice

Looks like I am going to be standing alone with this one. I quite liked it. Even my buddy who likes comic movies much more than me, and who I go to most with, seemed very unimpressed. I was wondering what I saw different last night and then I remembered most of the people hating this thus far loved Deadpool just a few weeks ago. Made me feel much better about my taste.

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I think both BvS and Deadpool are roughly the same in terms of quality despite their drastically different directions. I think I might give the edge to Deadpool simply because, in spite of its many flaws, it actually feels like a film I might want to give a second chance. BvS...not so much.

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I never got this distinction. Everyone's a critic, some people just make a job of it and many are no more informed to lay down an entirely accurate and fair judgment than an average viewer.

Don't know who that is.

*visits link*

Oh... Okay then...

Armond White is, shall we say, a fascinating individual. I first heard of him when he became the critic whose negative review of Toy Story 3 knocked its RT rating from 100% to 99%, which understandably annoyed a lot of people and has since led to him being labelled a troll for frequently having opinions that go against the consensus of both critic and audience alike. I used to be dismissive of him, but in recent times I've found his opinions interesting because of his unique perspective and in-depth expression of the same that looks for a different side to both acclaimed and reviled films. That's not to say that I agree with everything or even most of what he says - in fact, I do tend to disagree with his opinions, but I do think they're important enough to warrant a look. At least it's more likely to challenge me than a critic with whom I agree.

I get that. My less-than-stellar impression of Wreck-It Ralph certainly runs the risk of appearing contrarian given it's fairly widespread positive reception. In similar cases where I believe positivity or negativity is overwrought on either side, I'm strongly inclined to play devil's advocate.

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"Well, at least your intentions behind the UTTERLY DEVASTATING FAULTS IN YOUR LOGIC are good." - Captain Steel

I do get that feeling in a real "there's no way it's that good/bad" kind of way, but I try not to let it actually guide how I ultimately judge the film. I'd rather have a degree of conviction in what opinion I hold regarding a film rather than give in to knee-jerk contrarianism.

Exactly.

I'm pretty sure he is a troll. There's some interview online where people are asking him about this stuff and, from what I remember, he was cracking up in a way that made it seem really obvious they were on to him.

He might manage to be a contrarian in interesting ways, anyway (I've played games where you have to argue for some random position you don't even hold, and it can be interesting seeing how people manage it). But I'm pretty convinced this is an act, or intellectual exercise if you want to be really generous.

I'm convinced he is as well. If anyone wants a good representation of White's brand of criticism and how his personality plays into it go back and listen to the two or three times he was on the Slash Film Cast. Chen does a pretty good job of asking pointed questions but also letting his opinions come out. Interesting doesn't begin to describe him.

Well, White's review is interesting, to say the least. This one was clearly calculated, and I find it funny he still can't stop taking shots at Nolan.

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"Zack Snyder went against the mob and dared to raise the genre to a level of adult sophistication in 2013’s Man of Steel, the most emotionally powerful superhero movie ever made."

Armond White's reviews always read like they were written by the architect from Matrix Reloaded.

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Off to see Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice.

I find it strange that some people are dissuaded of watching it due to the bad reviews. I mean, come on! It's effin Batman versus effin Superman!!!

To be honest that's not a particularly good score at such an early stage. Films such as this usually hold really high for a bit with 90s at RT and a score off an 8 or 9 on imdb. The RT audience score was in the low 90s just a day or two ago (now 74%) while the imdb score was at 9.3 a day or two ago (now 7.7) so both are falling pretty dramatically.

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AS The Architect from the quintessential second motion picture installment you ambivalently refer to as 'Matrix: Reloaded', I am aghast at your ineffably dubious accusation. Therefor, in lieu of acquiescence, I countermand the claim and substitute a delectable attestation of my own:

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Cheer up everyone, Suicide Squad is right around the corner! Big Willy won't let you down!

Despite what critics seem to be saying, I realy liked this film. The script is far too shallow and definitely drags the film down, and it's so bogged down in world-building that it's very tricky to judge it as a one, but Affleck's performance captivated me, and as a DC fan I was glued to the screen from start to finish.

Affleck's reaction to BvS reviews



Pure magic.

OMG! That is so cruel!

Just back from watching the actual film.

Well, the problem is that the film is ponderous (this is the best word I can use to describe it) The different scenes as such are good, but there seems to be no genuine continuity between them. It's several well shot and well acted (especially the Batffleck) scenes but lacking the continuity and zest that would have made this movie great.

The problem is that Snyder is so used to his usual modus operandi of employing slo-mo to a massive extent, that you can see that his scenes were shot with slo-mo in mind. But this could not have been used in this film, at least I think so. I really can't say for sure, maybe they should have used some slo-mo anyway.

Affleck is indeed the real star of the show and he delivers his lines and expressions promptly, which was no small feat. Cavill is also good as Superman. Gadot is somewhat problematic in her dialogue delivery, but looks the part in the actions scenes. I am not sure she can cut it in a solo movie. We will have to wait and see about that one (I said from Day 1 that Olga Kyrilenko would have been a better choice)

Eisenberg is not as OTT as most critics claim. It's one of those take-it-or-leave-it situations. But he puts in a shift, that's for sure.

I thought that the setting-up of the fallout between Batman & Superman is very good, but a bit underdeveloped. They could have simply taken out some of the early Wonder Woman scenes for the benefit of flexing out the ideological difference between the two main heroes more thoroughly.

What really lets this movie down, is that the early Wonder Woman scenes are largely pointless and that the teasing of the rest of the Justice League is, how shall I put it? Disappointing? OK, disappointing is a bit of a euphemism here.

I am really anxious to see the upcoming Director's Cut. This film definitely needs it. It's as if some things that should not have been there were there, while things that should have been were removed.

If you are not at least a Batman fanboy/fangirl, or a DC equivalent, it is unlikely that you will like this film. In the case that you are (and I cannot imagine many movie-lovers not being Batman fanboys/girls) there are many elements for you to enjoy.

I'm going to tear this movie a new *******. This movie is for people unfamiliar with the intellectual properties in question, for the uninitiated masses, not for true fans. Let's begin...Mild spoilers alert! This movie is full of **** within the first five minutes as Bruce Wayne, detective, rushes to Metropolis, on his phone alerting Wayne tech building to evacuate, and decides to drive a Kia Soul, *lame, into the fray of destruction, no plan, no bat suit in tow, Ironman at least is always ready, *chuckles, so he can have his photo op holding a little girl and appear heroic, *smell the ********* yet? Onward, Batman, who is no stranger to violence or killing, doesn't approve of Superman battling to save the world, but has the audacity to complain not because Superman saved the world, batman included from certain oblivion, but because innocent people died. Those innocent Reuters reporters that got gunned down by the U.S. Military and got exposed by Bradley Manning and Edward Snowden I would call collateral damage due to adrenaline filled trigger happy uninformed morons. Superman fighting General Zod to save the world, while outnumbered, and Metropolis gets caught in the middle? That's war. **** happens. Casualties were at the wrong place, wrong time. Innocent people were not the target and Superman saved the ****ing world detective. Not hard to understand bats.

This movie refers to Superman as a god seven times. This movie is misguided in its portrayal of Batman, Superman, and Doomsday. This movie is a concoction of graphic novels, Frank Miller the Dark Knight, Superman Doomsday mixed with Jack Kirby's Intellectual property of the New Gods, Darkside/Apocalypse storyline. Yes I guarantee the ringing bell Luthor refers to is Darkside. I can go on folks...

I'll leave you with this: When Superman was created by Jerry Siegel and Joel Schuster (both Jewish), I'm sure Jesus was a big influence and I get the references to GOD. Originally Superman was a hard boiled reporter, who investigated wrong doing and took action. Within the existing context as previously shown, Kryptonians are a cold calculating hyper advanced civilization, with technology built-in. The Superman portrayed has been bastardized by Christopher Reeves idiotic portrayal that is not more true to itself then a picture of the sun is to starring into the sun. The real problem in Hollywood is that true fans don't make movies. A true fan, yes this is fiction, but let's be real, this movie isn't made for kids but attempts to marry two graphic novels playing catch up with Marvel when WB hates making "superhero" flicks. Thank you Christian Bale for giving WB the finger. If a true fan would have portrayed Superman, it would not portray a naive idiot in tights, oblivious to science, technology, operational security, a fool who leaves loved ones unprotected with no contingency plans, a dupe who has no security protocol, no governmental connections, despite being a national security risk, a character who basically wins the genetic lottery and fills the religious void that commercialism has created. The real Superman was schooled by Jor-El, would not leave his Kryptonian tech laying around, wouldn't leave Lois on the street after she got kidnapped, would not leave his mother unprotected, would not have chosen a ****** job as a journalist when white wash is considered truth by the corporate whitewash media. The real Superman is more like what Martin Luther Kings famous quote "The hope of a secure and livable world lies with disciplined nonconformists who are dedicated to justice, peace and brotherhood." - Martin Luther King, Jr. The Superman portrayed is a naive fool untrue to his roots, a corporate tool who exists for the sole purpose of merchandising a false hope. Grow up WB and get a real fan to make your **** or just sell to Marvel, they got it right with Capitain America. Superman in his true form is calculating, investigative, in control, highly technically advanced, hyper intellectual, and overpowered god. Not the weak character focus groups chanting balance want to see. Superman is smarter, faster, stronger, and more advanced than anyone on earth. If you go see this film, leave your brain at the door.