Game of Thrones: Season 4
One quick thought I don't think anyone has mentioned: Books 4 and 5 are kinda happening concurrently, but with different sets of characters. I think some readers complained that so many characters in book 4 hadn't been seen before, and the whole thing felt like a tangent.
I saw an interview with the producers of the TV show, and they said that they got permission from George R.R. Martin to kinda "meld" books 4 and 5 because they do happen at the same time. (A sort of "meanwhile, back at the ranch..." thing.) So, we'll see a lot more of the intertwining of those two sets of stories as things go on. And really, it seems essential to do this for a television series -- keeping things chronological -- more so than in a series of books.
I think they're doing a great job of keeping the storylines smooth and easily understood -- sometimes more easily understood than while reading the books!
I saw an interview with the producers of the TV show, and they said that they got permission from George R.R. Martin to kinda "meld" books 4 and 5 because they do happen at the same time. (A sort of "meanwhile, back at the ranch..." thing.) So, we'll see a lot more of the intertwining of those two sets of stories as things go on. And really, it seems essential to do this for a television series -- keeping things chronological -- more so than in a series of books.
I think they're doing a great job of keeping the storylines smooth and easily understood -- sometimes more easily understood than while reading the books!
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One quick thought I don't think anyone has mentioned: Books 4 and 5 are kinda happening concurrently, but with different sets of characters. I think some readers complained that so many characters in book 4 hadn't been seen before, and the whole thing felt like a tangent.
I saw an interview with the producers of the TV show, and they said that they got permission from George R.R. Martin to kinda "meld" books 4 and 5 because they do happen at the same time. (A sort of "meanwhile, back at the ranch..." thing.) So, we'll see a lot more of the intertwining of those two sets of stories as things go on. And really, it seems essential to do this for a television series -- keeping things chronological -- more so than in a series of books.
I think they're doing a great job of keeping the storylines smooth and easily understood -- sometimes more easily understood than while reading the books!
I saw an interview with the producers of the TV show, and they said that they got permission from George R.R. Martin to kinda "meld" books 4 and 5 because they do happen at the same time. (A sort of "meanwhile, back at the ranch..." thing.) So, we'll see a lot more of the intertwining of those two sets of stories as things go on. And really, it seems essential to do this for a television series -- keeping things chronological -- more so than in a series of books.
I think they're doing a great job of keeping the storylines smooth and easily understood -- sometimes more easily understood than while reading the books!
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Damn... Can not wait to read the books.
With all the blood in this series I keep hoping they'll give me a few of those old samurai movie deaths, you know? The one's where the blood just goes shooting about 30 feet across the room? Yeah, I love that.
With all the blood in this series I keep hoping they'll give me a few of those old samurai movie deaths, you know? The one's where the blood just goes shooting about 30 feet across the room? Yeah, I love that.
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Not even 10 minutes into the episode and I think I got it figured for sure!
WARNING: "Who killed Joffrey?" spoilers below
Now I think its Tywin. He's too smart to think that Tyrion did it, doesnt care Tyrions blamed, Littlefinger would do all that was done with eyes closed, and he wouldnt have to deal with a psychotic idiotic grandson. Joffrey challenged Tywin, and not much later he died.
Thought on tonight's episode. When Sansa was spirited away by Dontos and winds up
I loved that we got a total Holy Grail call out when Stannis' daughter griped at Ser Davos for pronouncing "knights" as "ka-nig-gits."
How sleazy was the scene between Cersei and Jaime besides Joffery's funeral bier? I've read on another site that the scene didn't exactly go that way in the book and that Cersei wasn't so, how shall I put this, resistant?
Loved Arya's insult to the Hound. Their scenes together just get better and better.
How hilarious was Olenna Tyrell's dialogue to Margery about death?
What about Sam
Meanwhile, Ygritte is just a bit ticked-off isn't she? Hell hath no fury like a red-haired woman angered. And I say that as someone who is married to a red-haired woman (I think she's standing behind me...no, the coast is clear) and I stand by my claim.
I thought two of the better sequences were saved for the end, first Tyrion...Peter, you could act your way through solid stone, man! Well, at least you're trying because you can make us feel for you by just sitting on a stool, reading your lines.
Anything with Daenerys is high on my list, so I was jazzed that her segment closed out this episode. It was cool when Daario did his thing against the city's champion. Then Dany's speech. She's so fine, and she can talk in any language and make it sound sexy.
Everybody see it? Thoughts?
WARNING: "" spoilers below
on Littlefinger's ship...well, that's another thing I knew was coming. I wonder if he lusts after Sansa since he once in love with her mother? Creepy and slimy, either way.
I loved that we got a total Holy Grail call out when Stannis' daughter griped at Ser Davos for pronouncing "knights" as "ka-nig-gits."
How sleazy was the scene between Cersei and Jaime besides Joffery's funeral bier? I've read on another site that the scene didn't exactly go that way in the book and that Cersei wasn't so, how shall I put this, resistant?
Loved Arya's insult to the Hound. Their scenes together just get better and better.
How hilarious was Olenna Tyrell's dialogue to Margery about death?
What about Sam
WARNING: "" spoilers below
taking Gilly to a brothel, thinking that was safer? On my captioning, it said the town was called Moles Town. I read in an article that it's spelled Molestown. That would be a cruel joke if it were the latter.
Meanwhile, Ygritte is just a bit ticked-off isn't she? Hell hath no fury like a red-haired woman angered. And I say that as someone who is married to a red-haired woman (I think she's standing behind me...no, the coast is clear) and I stand by my claim.
I thought two of the better sequences were saved for the end, first Tyrion...Peter, you could act your way through solid stone, man! Well, at least you're trying because you can make us feel for you by just sitting on a stool, reading your lines.
Anything with Daenerys is high on my list, so I was jazzed that her segment closed out this episode. It was cool when Daario did his thing against the city's champion. Then Dany's speech. She's so fine, and she can talk in any language and make it sound sexy.
Everybody see it? Thoughts?
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Yea Emilia Clark gets better and better, her speech to the city made it sound as if she had spoken that language all her life.
They had better not kill Tyrion, looking forward to the trail and having him worm his way out of the charge.
I'm hoping that some of the characters will meet each other this season, like there are several out on their own storylines but it would be good if some were brought together.
I own the books but haven't read them, I will probably have to after season 4.
I think the Grandmother (Tyrell) killed Joffrey but I genuinely don't know, although it looks like Lord Farrish had a hand in it now.
They had better not kill Tyrion, looking forward to the trail and having him worm his way out of the charge.
I'm hoping that some of the characters will meet each other this season, like there are several out on their own storylines but it would be good if some were brought together.
I own the books but haven't read them, I will probably have to after season 4.
I think the Grandmother (Tyrell) killed Joffrey but I genuinely don't know, although it looks like Lord Farrish had a hand in it now.
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How sleazy was the scene between Cersei and Jaime besides Joffery's funeral bier? I've read on another site that the scene didn't exactly go that way in the book and that Cersei wasn't so, how shall I put this, resistant?
On my captioning, it said the town was called Moles Town. I read in an article that it's spelled Molestown.
It was cool when Daario did his thing against the city's champion.
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Did we see Strong Belwas before? When that scene came up I couldn't picture him and started wondering who would take his place in the narrative.
And yeah, the Jaime scene's a fairly big chance. However, I think the director said something about how--and I don't think this comes across in the scene very well--it's supposed to be consensual after his initial aggression. But yeah, it's a weird departure for Jaime's generally, apparently changed outlook on life. But I guess it really drives hom just how toxic their relationship is.
And yeah, the Jaime scene's a fairly big chance. However, I think the director said something about how--and I don't think this comes across in the scene very well--it's supposed to be consensual after his initial aggression. But yeah, it's a weird departure for Jaime's generally, apparently changed outlook on life. But I guess it really drives hom just how toxic their relationship is.
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I was chuffed off at the changes to the Cersei and Jaime scene as well. Also - no Strong Belwas!! Boooooo.
Meanwhile, how good is Natalie Dormer as Margaery Tyrell? Her character in the books, although important, isn't nearly as fleshed out and interesting. Natalie has brought an entirely new dimension to a character I didn't have much interest in while reading the books.
Meanwhile, how good is Natalie Dormer as Margaery Tyrell? Her character in the books, although important, isn't nearly as fleshed out and interesting. Natalie has brought an entirely new dimension to a character I didn't have much interest in while reading the books.
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I may have to just reread all of these books. I read through them all in rapid succession -- using library e-book editions that I could borrow for only 2-3 weeks each -- over a year ago, but now I own all of them in trade paperback. I tend to get blurry on what happens when, especially later in the series as I read even faster and let some things hit just the back of my mind and not "stick" properly...
Perhaps they are assuming they need a tad more sympathy for Cersei than she currently has from the TV viewers... although watching her stoically stand by her dead son while her father schools her living son did make even me feel sorry for her.
Perhaps they are assuming they need a tad more sympathy for Cersei than she currently has from the TV viewers... although watching her stoically stand by her dead son while her father schools her living son did make even me feel sorry for her.
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Did we see Strong Belwas before? When that scene came up I couldn't picture him and started wondering who would take his place in the narrative.
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Meanwhile, how good is Natalie Dormer as Margaery Tyrell? Her character in the books, although important, isn't nearly as fleshed out and interesting. Natalie has brought an entirely new dimension to a character I didn't have much interest in while reading the books.
To me, this is an example of the weird interplay that the books and the TV show will inevitably have moving forward. To what degree will the characterizations of the show influence the books yet to write? Or are these characterizations reflective of what Martin has shared with the show's creators?
The same can be said for Littlefinger, who divulges far more in the show than he ever does in the first couple books.
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Perhaps they are assuming they need a tad more sympathy for Cersei than she currently has from the TV viewers... although watching her stoically stand by her dead son while her father schools her living son did make even me feel sorry for her.
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Joffreys brother is now the new king (dont know his name) but Is he another son of Cersei & Jaime? Looks like he has blondish hair.
Not even 10 minutes into the episode and I think I got it figured for sure!
WARNING: "Who killed Joffrey?" spoilers below
Now I think its Tywin. He's too smart to think that Tyrion did it, doesnt care Tyrions blamed, Littlefinger would do all that was done with eyes closed, and he wouldnt have to deal with a psychotic idiotic grandson. Joffrey challenged Tywin, and not much later he died.
On another note, if anything happens to Tyrion I will be unimaginably pissed off.
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This is my favorite theory as well.
On another note, if anything happens to Tyrion I will be unimaginably pissed off.
On another note, if anything happens to Tyrion I will be unimaginably pissed off.
My friend stopped by and hadn't seen the episode, so we watched it again. The gaffing of the scene with Cersei and Jaime has me concerned at this point. Both character arcs have been trashed, perhaps irrevocably. Jaime's character arc is destroyed, and many events (like Brienne's rescue attempt) make no sense at all for the character when you consider his actions here.
I don't mind minor detail changes or even the clearly necessary combining of multiple character's actions into one amalgam of a person, but scuttling an entire character arc for what seems like no reason confounds me, especially when it runs directly counter to the book content. The guy is NOT a rapist, and has in fact been shown to rail against it just one season ago.
Cersei was clearly the aggressive one in the books - basically the opposite of how the scene played in the show.
I will dig up the scene from the books and post it when I get a chance.
I don't mind minor detail changes or even the clearly necessary combining of multiple character's actions into one amalgam of a person, but scuttling an entire character arc for what seems like no reason confounds me, especially when it runs directly counter to the book content. The guy is NOT a rapist, and has in fact been shown to rail against it just one season ago.
Cersei was clearly the aggressive one in the books - basically the opposite of how the scene played in the show.
I will dig up the scene from the books and post it when I get a chance.
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