Marijuana: Do you do it?

What I see happening here is everyone who smokes it trying to justify why they do it
About it being dangerous! I think it is ok Addie I have no evidence that I can quote for you There was a documentary made in Australia a few years ago and it was about the link with Pot and schizophrenia, they did a lot of "Scientific stuff" in it to show how it affects memory and how it shrinks the brain, these things take time but it will happen but go ahead and keep on doing it
I am sick of people who smoke it going on about how it is ok and natural, there are lots of natural things in this world that can kill you usually us humans avoid them
I have worked in Psychiatry for 35yrs and i am saddened by the effects of pot on people, I have smoked it when i was young and consider myself lucky that I am reasonably ok, I feel sad for my girl friend who has cancer, she is a sweet person, I am also sad that i have 2 friends who's sons have schizophrenia from smoking Pot, they are now disabled for ever
Do what you want but don't try and justify it by saying it is harmless you are like me just lucky that you are ok for now.

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I'm sorry to hear about your friends' sons. Do you know how doctors were able to draw a definitive conclusion that their "schizophrenia" was indeed caused by marijuana? I have researched this subject for years, and I've come to the conclusion that most of the illnesses attributed to marijuana are extrapolations upon extrapolations , and that marijuana may be the cause or only just a "contributing factor" which fits with some people, but certainly not with most. Marijuana may just be a "coincidental" red flag which is independent from some "victims of schizophrenia".

This is a decent summary of schizophrenia. I'm quite shocked in this post to hear the old cliches about paranoia being brought up. I've never been paranoid when under the influence. I've also never heard voices, except those on records, in movies, or actually speaking to me. I don't want to denigrate the pain and suffering of those who somehow KNOW that the evil weed marijuana destroyed the brains of their children (I'm sure it has happened; afterall, a simple vaccination sometimes turns a kid's brain to grape jelly or maybe even kills him.)

I'm just the kind of person who likes to calmly, rationally look at "facts" from every perspective and try to find a rhyme and reason. I certainly do NOT advocate any use of any alcohol or drugs for kids under a legit age (whatever your country deems appropriate), but here where I work, at a "Continuation School", you can figure that all the teenagers are doing way more drugs than my 52-year-old bod does now, but I still have more of a grasp on the reality of drugs than they do. That's not exactly difficult though because they have NO grasp on the reality of their situation, so even if I register at 1%, I'm miles ahead of them.

Let's see here. Where's the delete button? Can of worms? Yikes! Please don't hate me.

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As far as my friends sons go, it may have been the pot that brought out their tendency to Schizophrenia, I know the boys very well since they were babies. They were both really lovely normal fun loving boys. they started to smoke dope and then had a psychotic episode and never came out of that maybe they would have developed it maybe never but Pot speed that up. Over the years I have seen this story over and over. None of the boys Sisters have it and none of them have ever or ever will smoke pot

I have been paranoid when I have smoked Dope, never heard voices thank god
I guess that these parents like my friends have children who seem quite normal until they smoke pot, so I can understand how they feel

Me too but sometimes things are not always rational and have clear cut facts

I am must get myself another job I am sick of seeing clients with severe, Depression, anxiety etc who smoke pot and are angry that a Dr suggested that they take medication, but they will smoke Pot and take other illegal drugs. They say things to me that they want to be better but will not give up Pot which is usually a contributing factor

Sorry about all this I am quite sad about all this today it maybe because of my friends problems with Pot both Physically and mentally, and all the illness from drugs i have seen over the years

I'm sorry, nebbit.

That's why I would never think of going near that stuff.

I think it should be legalised. There is nothing actually harmfull about it. It probally reduces violence because it makes people more relaxed also. Here is my theory:

Kids are taught in schools that all drugs are bad no matter what and that they are all on the same level of danger (when obviously they are clearly not).

Weather you like it or your kids probaly will try drugs regardless and since in their mind all drugs have the same level of danger, they will try any drug as in their mind it all posses the same risks. So some kid might try Heroin (which is very very dangerouse) and think it is as dangerouse as weed because he has been told they are all dangerouse as each other(when it clearly is not).

Thats why i think kids should get taught in schools that if they try drugs, just try pot and nothing else.

Yeah that will work

Hey, im just comming up with ideas here.

You got any?

And what are you on, exactly?



Kidding. Kind of.

No not tonight I am too tired, I have had a long week I worked a 12 hr day with no lunch, every client i saw was in crises so it was hard going, i have 3 friends who are having problems who i am supporting on a daily bases so I am all out of ideas, at this moment I am off to bed as i have to drive 7hrs tomorrow to go to a friends birthday party, it is really irrellevant what i have to say who cares anyway

I think I'd have to pull my kids out of that school.

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They could try, like, the TRUTH.

Also, how do you know the schools teach that all drugs are equally bad? That sounds like an unsupported overstatement to me.

And you also state point-blank that all our kids are going to try drugs anyway ... another unsupported overstatement. I know plenty of families (most of the families I know, actually) whose kids have never had one iota of interest in drugs. I know I never did. John here doesn't. To make another blanket statement sounds a lot to me like the anti-abstinence folks who declare that "all the kids are going to have sex anyway so let's give them condoms in junior high."

Blanket statements are rarely right, especially about behaviors. And besides, my kids were/are homeschooled. This kind of stuff is part of the reason. I'd rather have independent thinkers who can make decisions without peer pressure at a young age and without idiotic school policies that are more political than helpful.

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You make some good points but you can't ignore the fact that drug education is done very, very badly in our schools. Whether or not everyone does, a lot of people have smoked. And often nothing bad happens because of it. So how must it look then, when a D.A.R.E rep or teacher tells you that pot is VERY VERY bad for you and may kill you? If experience tells you otherwise, you're not going to believe what you hear. And if you don't believe the lies you're told about mary jane, you're also not going to believe the TRUTH you're told about hardcore drugs like cocaine and heroine.

I'm sorry to hear about your friend and those boys nebs, but I seriously doubt that their schizo was caused by marijuana. It may have exacerbated the problem, but I don't think it caused it.

And we're not trying to justify our smoking.... there's nothing wrong about it to justify. Smoking marijuana is no worse than smoking tobacco or drinking lots of booze, and it's less addictive than the former and less harmful when under the influence then the latter.

A special thanks to Mark and Austruck for staying level-headed and rational.

You know better than that. Many of us care, sweetie! I've done what you are doing now, with people and their health, close people, and others with crisis. You are carrying a good ten times more on you, than I did, and I about went nuts. I don't know how you are doing it, but if you need to talk, there are many of us here who will be there.

What school do you go to? They aren't really "taught" much of anything, from what I've heard. A teacher, or anyone simply spouting out, "Drugs are bad! Just say no!" is hardly saying something like that. I can't really picture them standing there, naming all drugs, and their side effects.

That school would last a long time.
From what I've seen these days, a lot of them already have tried pot. I know at my local high school, the smell is all through that lunch line. Guesstimating two years ago, 80 plus percent had tried it, and a good 68 percent were hooked.

I believe it exaggerates what is already there. Extremely, at times. I'll just say I've seen it with bi-polar, and it is very weird, and upsetting, at times.

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Sawman, my arguments were mostly against the "always" or "never" statements that king_of_movies posted about how schools handle stuff like this. I'm in no way trying to say that they do a good job here -- or ANYwhere, frankly. Hey, my kids are homeschooled, remember? Why do you think that is??

Yeah, the ways to relax oneself are endless. Imagine doing the two things at the same time!

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it shouldn't be legal because too many people are far too irresponsible with things that ARE legal -- how sad is that?

Guesstimating to a single percentage is very impressive!

I'm not hooked. Weed doesn't have the same addictive substances as cigarettes. It's addictive through habit, maybe. But most people don't have that mind of money.

My best friend used to smoke 5-6 a day. When he came to visit me, as soon as we woke up and dressed we'd roll a fatty. It was fun, but exhausting at the same time. I'm a 'smoke in the night' man.

My dad's best friend became schizophrenic and he was a pot smoker. Yeah, it can happen. It's linked. But everything is linked with death and illness: Doom to highschool shootings, A Clockwork Orange with rape, alcohol with numerous diseases leading to death, ditto for sex, driving may lead to death, eating a piece of chicken might kill you. Et cetera. I say outlaw everything in the world except Studio Ghibli films, which cannot possibly hurt a soul.

During the day, I have a career and other responsibilities to attend to, and I need to be alert, sober, and focused. I view smoking as a purely recreational activity, and I treat it as such... I could never blaze all day long...

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My friend was a general layabout waster, which is why he could. He emigrated to Florida, so now he's a general layabout waster in America.

Some of my best days ever have involved cheesing with him, though. When I was in university, we chain-smoked and stayed up until 5am watching The Armando Iannucci Shows. It was amazing.

I thoroughly recommend The Armando Iannucci Shows, by the way. It's the best, funniest, most profound comedy series ever (not just when you're high).