The MoFos Top 100 of the 90s Countdown - Redux

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1 day ago

Nightmare was my number 22. Saw it 50 times as a kid and owned the soundtrack for a while. Burton and Selici make an incredible combo and it's a shame they don't collaborate more.

Seen 36/54. This 2/3 thing's getting a little tiring.

Ballot

4. Twelve Monkeys
13. Beauty and the Beast
15. Total Recall
19. Perfect Blue
22. The Nightmare Before Christmas

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Originally Posted by LeBoyWondeur

If you're going to approach it from a child's point of view then it kinda changes the topic of discussion, doesn't it.

Robert the List

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1 day ago

of all the films that everyone on here likes, Seven Monkeys has got to be the shittest.

mattiasflgrtll6

The truth is in here

1 day ago

Maybe that's true, but Twelve Monkeys is the one that made the list.

Miss Vicky

MoFo's Resident Bitch

1 day ago

Originally Posted by Robert the List

of all the films that everyone on here likes, Seven Monkeys has got to be the shittest.

JFC, and people say I'm too negative. Not every opinion needs to be shared. Try a little tact.

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Omnizoa

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1 day ago

Originally Posted by LeBoyWondeur

If Nightmare Before Christmas is the one with that horrific bugs creature then I don't want to see it.

I've spoken to many people about this and to this day, I still have never met a single person who has ever disliked Nightmare Before Christmas, and the only people who are resistant to watching it either think it's a particularly scary or gross movie, or more likely, have some adverse reaction to stop-motion animation.

Some people just have that primal disgust towards stop-motion, I assume because they associate something inanimate with what's being animated.

I challenge these people to watch 1988's Alice, which stop-motion animated literal slabs of meat and actual animal corpses to make them appear alive.

Granted, Jack Skellington was purposefully animated to have "spider-like" qualities, but I feel like even kids with a weak stomach could watch this movie (and I did).

I won't rehash my review excerpts like I did in The Top 100 Musicals Coundown, though I will admit that it's kinda cringey to be a Nightmare Enjoyer these days since it's become the defacto IP to slap on anything and everything from Hot Topic.

There's definitely an aesthetic to the movie and that touch of German Expressionism is what ultimately exposed me to Metropolis, my first black and white movie.

I just wish the style had gone on to inspire more media, rather than an entrenched Tim Burton (and Henry Selick?) fanbase and a line of Coraline merchandise.

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Omnizoa

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1 day ago

Originally Posted by Little Ash

I just want to make sure we don't get too much Henry Selick erasure there (which he basically got instantly on its release).

I swear it was only because they literally marketed it as "Tim Burton's The Nightmare Before Christmas".

He should get credit because it was his story, but yeah...

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mrblond

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1 day ago

#47. Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels (1998) was at #10 on my ballot but it easily could be higher.

Interestingly, I've missed this movie when it came out.
In 2000, I visited a film festival to see the presentation of Snatch where I learned the name Guy Ritchie. I was fascinated by the perfection of this movie, absolute gem. Who is this guy? Then, I've immediately rented the VHS with his Lock, Stock.. Wow! How could I've missed this!!!
I've seen both titles a dozen of times since then. These two movies are one of the most notable acts in the world of cinema. The British Tarantino indeed. Normally, this should be next to Pulp Fiction in the list of the 90's.
What a great choreography of scenes, filled with colorful characters. A real masterpiece!

Alas, I wonder, what happened with Ritchie later, producing some average material (for big funds). Only the recent The Gentlemen is close to his early brilliant works.

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1. The Remains of the Day (1993) [#75]
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8. What�s Eating Gilbert Grape (1993) [#100]
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10. Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels (1998) [#47]
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25. The Englishman Who Went Up a Hill... (1995) [one pointer]

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dadgumblah

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1 day ago

Loved both of today's picks, but voted for neither. Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels is my favorite of the two and was my introduction to Guy Ritchie films, also my first film that featured Vinnie Jones, whom I really got a kick out of in this movie. Nevertheless, again no votes from me.

My list:
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#25 Apollo 13 list proper #68

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stillmellow

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1 day ago

Originally Posted by Omnizoa

IN OTHER NEWS, and perhaps to no one's surprise if they've ever peeked at my Top 10, The Nightmare Before Christmas was my #1.

1. The Nightmare Before Christmas (1993)
[...]
12. Edward Scissorhands (1990)
13. Strange Days (1995)
[...]
22. The Crow (1994)
[...]
25. ???

I've seen it a bazillion times and it's one of those movies I could probably do a pretty good job of reciting line for line.

I've spoken to many people about this and to this day, I still have never met a single person who has ever disliked Nightmare Before Christmas, and the only people who are resistant to watching it either think it's a particularly scary or gross movie, or more likely, have some adverse reaction to stop-motion animation.

Some people just have that primal disgust towards stop-motion, I assume because they associate something inanimate with what's being animated.

I challenge these people to watch 1988's Alice, which stop-motion animated literal slabs of meat and actual animal corpses to make them appear alive.

Granted, Jack Skellington was purposefully animated to have "spider-like" qualities, but I feel like even kids with a weak stomach could watch this movie (and I did).

What's this? What's this? A fellow kindred soul?

#1. Nightmare Before Christmas

My number 1 pick for the 90's! Meaning 50 of its points were from us two. Works for me.

Yes, the relentless merchandising has made it a bit cringey, and Tim Burton had relatively little to do with its creation, besides the original story, but it's one of the best 90's, stop motion, Christmas, and Halloween movies of all time!

Gorgeous animation, songs good enough for Broadway, and some of the most memorable animated characters ever.

A+ all the way

Seen: 23/54
List: 6/25

stillmellow

Basic Non-B

1 day ago

I just did the math, and without our two #1 votes, it would've barely cracked the top 100. I honestly took it for granted that it would do well. I guess I overestimated it.

Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels is a brilliant comedy- action-heist movie, and probably my favorite Guy Ritchie movie, but it fell short of making it onto my list.

exiler96

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1 day ago

A rather late mid-way reckoning.

Were on my ballot and have made it thus far:
Fallen Angels (my #6)
Barton Fink (my #16)
Edward Scissorhands (my #19)

Didn't vote but I'm happy to see them here:
JFK
The Remains of the Day
Clueless
My Cousin Vinny
The Nightmare Before Chritmas

Can't bloody believe I left it out of my ballot:
Glengarry Glen Ross (which is an undisputed masterpiece btw. don't know what the fuss was about

LeBoyWondeur

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1 day ago

Originally Posted by mrblond

These two movies are one of the most notable acts in the world of cinema

Originally Posted by exiler96

Glengarry Glen Ross (which is an undisputed masterpiece

I love these bold claims. I don't have to buy it but it's exciting to read about other people's excitement, especially if I don't know where it comes from.

Thief

Master of None

1 day ago

Worth noting that I finally watched Strange Days last night. I liked it, but there's no way it would've made my ballot. I might write something later so I'll put it on here whenever I do.

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stillmellow

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1 day ago

Originally Posted by LeBoyWondeur

I love these bold claims. I don't have to buy it but it's exciting to read about other people's excitement, especially if I don't know where it comes from.

Does my boldness fall short? I'll be more overt with my shameless praise:

The Nightmare Before Christmas is not only the best stop motion animation movie ever made, but it's also the best Halloween movie, the best Christmas movie, and (brace yourself) the second best animated film ever made.

I_Wear_Pants

My pants ran off with an antelope.

1 day ago

Originally Posted by Citizen Rules

Glad to see some love for Tim Burton's films. I previously wrote this:

The Nightmare Before Christmas (1993)

The songs were great, really catchy and well placed in the movie. They conveyed the emotions of the scene. I'm not sure why people say they don't like musicals, when non-musical fans will like a movie like this.

The world building was very detailed and dare I say 'fleshed out'

I love the creativity of all the denizens of Halloween Town. I even spotted a Jacob Marley inspired character. Lots of cool stuff to see! I especially liked the characters of Jack and Sally. The mad professor was real colorful too and fun.

The Nightmare Before Christmas reminded me of the old Adams Family TV show, I bet Tim Burton use to watch that when he was a kid. Mostly what I liked was the sadness and hope of Sally. She gave the film heart.

It's also not a Tim Burton film...

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I_Wear_Pants

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1 day ago

There's a documentary series on Netflix called The Movies That Made Us that has an episode that chronicles Nightmare Before Christmas, and the reason "Tim Burton's" was slapped on it is because, while yes he did produce it, he did not direct it, and Disney put his name on it because Tim Burton had just directed two well-selling Batman movies (for Warner Brothers) and "everyone" loved him, and this movie wasn't selling, so they slapped his name on it to make it sell, and it worked (ish). So, no, Nightmare Before Christmas is NOT a Tim Burton film, and I will get sick on that hill. It is a Henry Selick film. Tim Burton couldn't direct it because of his contract (although he had a smidge of creative control over a tiny amount with his producer's role) (that was part of the contract they worked out) (he mostly didn't do a thing though).

Okay, anyway, these two latest films are entertaining if not favorites. I don't even remember Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels apart from it being stylish with little to say. I remember being entertained but I can't remember why. I honestly don't like Nightmare Before Christmas much anymore because I watched it too many times and got tired of it. It got boring.

stillmellow

Basic Non-B

1 day ago

Originally Posted by I_Wear_Pants

It's also not a Tim Burton film...

That is true.

As much as I love the movie, Tim Burton was just a producer who wrote the short story it was based on. Slapping his name at the top was extremely misleading.

I_Wear_Pants

My pants ran off with an antelope.

1 day ago

Originally Posted by stillmellow

That is true.

As much as I love the movie, Tim Burton was just a producer who wrote the short story it was based on. Slapping his name at the top was extremely misleading.

It was to help it sell.

Anyone who is on this site, has Netflix, and likes documentaries should check out the original Netflix docuseries Movies That Made Us. Each episode is about an hour and chronicles a movie and how it was made. The movies they choose are usually popular films with some cultural impact, if minor. They did stuff like Halloween, Nightmare on Elm Street, Aliens, and Nightmare Before Christmas. There are a lot more than those four. Those were just examples that popped into my head.

Maybe I need to renew my sub for Netflix just for the series because I really don't have much interest in more of their output. Some of their stuff I've finished is excellent. The stuff I hadn't watched wasn't overly appealing. It all looked the same.

Anyway I'm rambling. It's worth watching though.

Wyldesyde19

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1 day ago

What's this? What's this?
There's color everywhere
What's this?
There's white things in the air
What's this?
I can't believe my eyes, I must be dreaming
Wake up, Jack, this isn't fair
What's this?

Now I�m never going to get this song out of my head�..thanks MoFo.
*goes back to humming the song*

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