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Lol. That is funny actually.
I’ve heard that there is a DC that runs over 3 hours that’s supposed to be bette, which Weinstein rejected, but will probably never see the light of day.

I wonder how much of a difference that might have made.
It feels like the only filmmaker Weinstein didn’t screw with was Tarantino.

I’d gladly watch an extended cut of it but I can’t recall Scorsese ever going back to the well for such a thing, unlike his pals Coppola and Lucas.



Out of the ones I've watched...


Goodfellas/Raging Bull
The Irishman/Taxi Driver
The Aviator
Mean Streets


The Departed
Shutter Island

Casino/The Wolf Of Wall Street
Gangs Of New York
Cape Fear/Who's That Knocking At My Door?



Only a few of them have been left a little wobbly (Mean Streets, Alice, Knocking). But still, almost all of them are full of life and ideas and poetry.



When I think of Gangs, the word I use (and maybe it's an interchangeable word for most, but not for me) is slick. And slick is definitely something I almost never like. Only the mess of the script gives it any kind of life to me. But I don't even really like it that much either.
All of which were in the upper half of your list (or even top 5).*

The aversion to “slick” is what I was referring to. I think slickness has artistic merit in and of itself. I also think in the face of it becoming endemic in the studio system that slick has become devalued but in the hands of certain filmmakers (Spielberg, Fincher, Scott, Bay, Wright, etc) they have reached such an upper crust of slickness that it wraps around back to their own auteurism.

While that’s a bit of an aside, I think Scorsese is making a slick film (as he has with other works like Wolf and Shutter Island) but that he’s using that studio style to set up the clashing dichotomy of the film. He constructs meticulously then butchers and edits chaotically.

I mean, just watch the third act. It’s such a ballet of intricate filmmaking depicting chaos, and a narrative that refuses to be nearly as restrained and straightforward.

Given how much Scorsese I see in it beyond that, from his fixation on the New York immigrant story, Catholicism, secret lives, brotherhood, etc. I can’t see losing him for the production value.



I love old seafaring films, I'd not heard of this before but it looks pretty darn interesting. Thanks for posting about it.
Sure thing.



Yeah, it also took me about 20 years to try this out and I didn't make it. Like you say, it was what I thought it was and, like most of post-80s Scorsese, it just didn't hold my interest at all.
Outside of Daniel Day-Lewis' performance I didn't find all that much interesting about it either.



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My complaint with precision is that it turns an art form into something that can feel mechanical. That is studied. And the more studied and mechanical something is, the more and more instinct we lose. And the instinct is where the humanity is.

When I think of Gangs, the word I use (and maybe it's an interchangeable word for most, but not for me) is slick. And slick is definitely something I almost never like. Only the mess of the script gives it any kind of life to me. But I don't even really like it that much either.
So I'm gonna sorta disagree (although you may read what I say and feel that we're not really disagreeing we just haven't said all the things yet to find the common ground) with the first paragraph and then totally agree with the second.

I'm sort of a musician, and one of the arguments we always have is whether Music Theory is good or bad because so many musicians (who don't want to learn Music Theory) say that Theory makes everything technical and turns an art form into something mechanical and loses the instinct and the humanity. And the same is said of technique.
But then I watch Steve Vai, who was transposing Frank Zappa's music at 18 years old, play one of his newer compositions, at 60 years old, and I don't see any lack of art or instinct or humanity. I see someone whose vocabulary is so immense and technique is so good that he is simply capable of saying whatever he wants to say, of pursuing any instinct he has, and of expressing humanity in a way that is transcendent... but also may in fact just be over the heads of a lot of people in the same way that song lyrics speak to them but poetry is completely lost on them.
And that's not true of everyone, there are virtuosos who have no soul. But there are just tons of people with soul and no virtuosity whatsoever, people who actually have instinct and humanity but lack the technique or vocabulary to express it and I think that's pretty sad too.
So I think there is a point where virtuosity, in any field, is actually a gateway for the truly talented artist to express themselves at the highest possible level. And that technique is never the enemy on its own it is only the enemy when it is not accompanied by soul.

That said, most of Marty's output since maybe The Color Of Money (the last Scorsese film that I actually love), or if I'm being more generous, Goodfellas, has been slick AF and, with some exceptions, has been a lotta technique and not a lotta soul.



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I also think in the face of it becoming endemic in the studio system that slick has become devalued but in the hands of certain filmmakers (Spielberg, Fincher, Scott, Bay, Wright, etc) they have reached such an upper crust of slickness that it wraps around back to their own auteurism.
Yeah, I think these guys (particularly the big three of Spielberg, Scorsese, and Coppola, but really especially Spielberg) kinda invented slick and its their fault that it spread all over like a soulless disease and it's why something like Ready Player One makes me wanna vomit.



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Harold and Lillian: A Hollywood Love Story (2015) Directed by Daniel Rain, this documentary is about Harold and Lillian Michelson, a couple who were married for 60 years and worked in Hollywood. He was a storyboard artist and she was a research assistant. They worked on numerous classic films for some of the greatest directors, including The Ten Commandments, Ben Hur, The Graduate, Star Trek and Scarface, just to name a few. This is a lovely and sweet documentary celebrating film and true love. And in case you were wondering, King Harold and Queen Lillian from Shrek 2 are named in honour of Harold and Lillian Michelson.





Bob Ross: Happy Accidents, Betrayal, and Greed, 2021

This documentary charts the rise to fame of television painting instructor Bob Ross and then the ugly fallout over the rights to his name and image after his death.

This documentary falls roughly into two halves. The first part really goes into Ross's history and how he became one of the most well-known television personalities of the 1980s.

What comes across in this half is the degree to which Ross really mostly was what you saw on screen: a man who loved nature, who believed that anyone could paint or develop artistic ability, and someone who knew the power of painting to comfort. It is interesting to consider the seeming contradiction between Ross's easy-going, roll-with-the-punches attitude and his strong drive to create and to build a successful career for his son, Steve.

The second half delves into the legal skirmishes that followed Ross's death. The central character here, and main participant in the documentary, is Ross's son, Steve. As the dynamics come to light, it is clear to see why Steve is aggrieved: his father's business partners, a couple named the Kowalskis, seem to have pretty ruthlessly claimed ownership over Bob Ross and everything that was his.

The Kowalskis declined to participate in the documentary, and so it's always hard to make a judgement when you're missing one side of the story. But there are quite a few other voices--acquaintances and also another couple that had a good run as television painting instructors---who make a case for some pretty low and greedy behavior. In my opinion, there is no doubt that Bob Ross meant for his success and assets to be something that benefited his son. The fact that Steve Ross has had no share of his father's wealth or profits is pretty gross, even if you think that Steve himself is financially motivated.

This was an interesting documentary, with plenty of affection for its central figure. It takes a moment at the end to highlight two different fans: one a man who was pulled from a suicidal depression by Ross's show, one a woman who was devastated after having to terminate a pregnancy and took comfort in Ross's show. These testimonials are a good reminder that the real legacy of Ross's work is the joy that he brought to people through his work.




Yeah, I think these guys (particularly the big three of Spielberg, Scorsese, and Coppola, but really especially Spielberg) kinda invented slick and its their fault that it spread all over like a soulless disease and it's why something like Ready Player One makes me wanna vomit.
I don’t have the ire for RPO that you do, nor do I think they’re at fault. They pursued their cinematic visions, which was predicated upon taken technical accomplishments to a garish extreme, and they really resonated with audiences. Studios aren’t terribly imaginative places so they just kept churning out whatever sold well. Given that Spielberg is by far the most financially successful of those 3, it’s no mystery why most blockbuster cinema is made in his image.

I do think Spielberg is the closest to doing what Crummy talked about, in losing himself as an artist to the “slickness.” RPO and the RBG were career/artistic lows where his mastery of his craft seemed to fade into something anyone with a large budget could pull off. I feel like West Side Story was a return to form as the master of “slickness.”

Coppola on the other hand, completely rejected this style and has made intimate, auteur-driven, “student films” as he called them. Twixt was a poor note to end on, though I find it very interesting. Tetro beautiful and if not worthy of his 70s output, at least worthy among his 80s.

Scorsese, on the other hand, seems to have maintained a medium of art and commerce. Never seeming to truly sacrifice one for the other and it’s allowed him to hone his craft on a level almost unrivaled. His influence is less among blockbusters and more among the studio driven vanity project. Throw a rock at one and chances are, it’s a riff on the style he created with Goodfellas. Is he to “blame?” Though? Is it his fault that Cruella and Joker are made in his image?

I think that’s giving the studios a pretty easy out.



Leave No Trace (2018)


Had to watch it after seeing the positive reviews of it here, as well as wanting to see some greenery as we head towards the end of winter. It plays a lot like Nomadland in terms of almost feeling like a scripted documentary, and I enjoyed this one considerably more.



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Scream (2022)





When are they going to stop selling that stupid mask?!?!?!

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I don’t have the ire for RPO that you do, nor do I think they’re at fault. They pursued their cinematic visions, which was predicated upon taken technical accomplishments to a garish extreme, and they really resonated with audiences. Studios aren’t terribly imaginative places so they just kept churning out whatever sold well. Given that Spielberg is by far the most financially successful of those 3, it’s no mystery why most blockbuster cinema is made in his image.

I do think Spielberg is the closest to doing what Crummy talked about, in losing himself as an artist to the “slickness.” RPO and the RBG were career/artistic lows where his mastery of his craft seemed to fade into something anyone with a large budget could pull off. I feel like West Side Story was a return to form as the master of “slickness.”

Coppola on the other hand, completely rejected this style and has made intimate, auteur-driven, “student films” as he called them. Twixt was a poor note to end on, though I find it very interesting. Tetro beautiful and if not worthy of his 70s output, at least worthy among his 80s.

Scorsese, on the other hand, seems to have maintained a medium of art and commerce. Never seeming to truly sacrifice one for the other and it’s allowed him to hone his craft on a level almost unrivaled. His influence is less among blockbusters and more among the studio driven vanity project. Throw a rock at one and chances are, it’s a riff on the style he created with Goodfellas. Is he to “blame?” Though? Is it his fault that Cruella and Joker are made in his image?

I think that’s giving the studios a pretty easy out.
I'm not exactly gonna address each of your points but just give you my general reaction.
Yes, though to what you say about Spielberg vis a vis being the most egregious offender and the master, for better and worse, of slickness. The difference is I just don't care anymore about anything he has to say if he even does. It seems like it's been so long since he made a movie that made me feel like he was a filmmaker I should care about. I think a lot of filmmakers "graduate" from being artists to being frankly just way to big for their britches and no one can say no to them and no one can rein them in and no one can talk sense to them and no one can really edit them (either in the filmic sense or a more metaphorical sense) and they make Hook and go back and edit all the guns out of E.T. and Spielberg will forever be the picture in the dictionary next to this concept. Doesn't mean he's not capable of making good movies (I certainly thought Bridge Of Spies was a quality film), just not much to get excited about at best and really just an unchecked-ego-driven shit-show at its worst.
When I think of Coppola, I'm really talking about the likes of The Outsiders (really a film that is only bad because the director was so far up his own ass), Tucker, and the absurdly self-indulgent Dracula. I don't really know about any of his more recent work because the aforementioned made him someone I just wasn't gonna sit through.
Scorsese is like the others, if I'm honest, in that enough of his work was so slick that I became unwilling to see anything more that he did. I wasn't impressed with The Departed, I thought it was fine and that if it had anyone else's name on it it wouldn't have gotten nearly the acclaim, although I admit at least it wasn't like Gangs or The Aviator or that whole era of his work I never want to see again. I had totally given up on him by Shutter Island and I found Hugo just painful to watch so I never saw The Wolf Of Wall Street. That said, I went back and watched Shutter Island and I actually thought it was pretty good, though another of his issues, his unnecessary and garish use of CGI, took it down a few notches for me.
I had a point when I started this but I lost my way, sorry.
Something about, basically, auteur filmmakers always seem to lose their way when they reach the status of unrestrained budgets and no one can edit them or tell them no and their films become sad to me. Lucas, of course, can't be left out of this. But unfortunately because they are the kings of Hollywood, what's wrong with them spreads. People stop trying to make Mean Streets and American Graffiti and The Conversation and Taxi Driver and After Hours and even Jaws, and they all wanna make Stand By Me and Gangs Of New York and Star Wars.
And that makes me sad because I love good movies.



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Bob Ross: Happy Accidents, Betrayal, and Greed, 2021

This documentary charts the rise to fame of television painting instructor Bob Ross and then the ugly fallout over the rights to his name and image after his death.

This documentary falls roughly into two halves. The first part really goes into Ross's history and how he became one of the most well-known television personalities of the 1980s.

What comes across in this half is the degree to which Ross really mostly was what you saw on screen: a man who loved nature, who believed that anyone could paint or develop artistic ability, and someone who knew the power of painting to comfort. It is interesting to consider the seeming contradiction between Ross's easy-going, roll-with-the-punches attitude and his strong drive to create and to build a successful career for his son, Steve.

The second half delves into the legal skirmishes that followed Ross's death. The central character here, and main participant in the documentary, is Ross's son, Steve. As the dynamics come to light, it is clear to see why Steve is aggrieved: his father's business partners, a couple named the Kowalskis, seem to have pretty ruthlessly claimed ownership over Bob Ross and everything that was his.

The Kowalskis declined to participate in the documentary, and so it's always hard to make a judgement when you're missing one side of the story. But there are quite a few other voices--acquaintances and also another couple that had a good run as television painting instructors---who make a case for some pretty low and greedy behavior. In my opinion, there is no doubt that Bob Ross meant for his success and assets to be something that benefited his son. The fact that Steve Ross has had no share of his father's wealth or profits is pretty gross, even if you think that Steve himself is financially motivated.

This was an interesting documentary, with plenty of affection for its central figure. It takes a moment at the end to highlight two different fans: one a man who was pulled from a suicidal depression by Ross's show, one a woman who was devastated after having to terminate a pregnancy and took comfort in Ross's show. These testimonials are a good reminder that the real legacy of Ross's work is the joy that he brought to people through his work.

This seems like half a movie I would enjoy and half a movie that would bum me out.





The Lost Daughter(2021)

This was a weird one....I'm not sure how to even process this. It's basically a psychological thriller about an aging lit professor on vacation in an Island town. While there she's confronted by a shady and extremely obnoxious family. You keep waiting for the plot to start but it just meanders and builds tension until the climax which is well...three and a half stars films.




Theory makes everything technical and turns an art form into something mechanical and loses the instinct and the humanity. And the same is said of technique.
I think it is dumb to write off such things as Music Theory, or discount technique. Just like I think it is dumb for those who are proficient at their musical ability (whether it be with an instrument, singing, songwriting, lyric writing) to roll their eyes at the world at those less musically 'sophisticated'. There is always enough dumb to go around.




I see someone whose vocabulary is so immense and technique is so good that he is simply capable of saying whatever he wants to say, of pursuing any instinct he has, and of expressing humanity in a way that is transcendent

I know very little about Vai, and what I've heard, he isn't really my cup of tea. But that aside, I think agree that some artists need more 'words' to articulate what is in their head. But, it also needs to be noted, that some artists only need a handful of poorly fingered chords to say exactly what they have to say. And for them, it's possible learning more will disrupt that purity of expression.



Personally, I don't think one approach is particularly better than the other. I admire Eddie Van Halen and Glenn Gould as much as I do Daniel Johnston and The Raincoats. As unerringly precise those first two technical marvels are in their work, there is no end of their personality in how they play. Just like I don't think the limited musical chops of the other two, in any way limits the brilliance of their compositions. It's up to the artist what road they want to take. And we can judge their success on how well they maximize the tools and talents at their disposal.



As someone who has spent most of my life thinking about what makes writers good or bad, for a long time I believed the secret ingredient for greatness was to be really daring with tricky sentence structures and to always have a kaleidescopic vocabulary on hand. It certainly worked for Dickens, whose brilliance was always how he could make every sentence he wrote this adventure of language, where it is always doing these unexpected things, peppering the reader with all these crystalline details, one after another. It's why he can get away writing an entire page about the types of cutlery a character finds in a drawer. His is about the technical mastery of language and that is where much of the joy comes from when reading him.



But then I came to understand guys like Raymond Carver or Charles Bukowski, who are about the clarity of an image and the simplicity of language. Reducing everything to a blunt yet perfect declaration. Where Dickens requires dictionaries to do what he does, I'm sure someone like Bukowski could have sufficed on about seven words--beer, boils, underwear, shit, sandwich, walls and ceiling. To move outside of those basic building blocks was mostly unneccessary to articulate his world view. But this never makes him less of a writer. Because he understands what type of artist he is, and the power of his approach.


So it all just depends on the artist and how they want to define themselves.





People who actually have instinct and humanity but lack the technique or vocabulary to express it and I think that's pretty sad too.
I'm a romantic in the way that I completely believe if you have the instincts of an artist, and the determination to keep plugging away, no matter how much you may lack in technical talent you will almost always find a way to your voice. Maybe you won't find the audience, but there isn't anything you can really do about that. All an artists can really focus on is a monomaniacal obsession in finding their own way. Whatever way that may be.


So I don't think what you said above is sad at all. For me, it's the people with the virtuosity and not the soul who have more to worry about. Because to me, without those instincts, that soul, talent just ends up as a lot of huffing and puffing. Which, I think, is why some people do end up having a resistance to concepts such as music theory. Because there are a lot of people out there who will hide (sometimes very well) behind their studies. Sometimes, when an artist has absolutely nothing to say, they can't help but mistake proficiency for worth.





So I think there is a point where virtuosity, in any field, is actually a gateway for the truly talented artist to express themselves at the highest possible level. And that technique is never the enemy on its own it is only the enemy when it is not accompanied by soul.

Agree


That said, most of Marty's output since maybe The Color Of Money (the last Scorsese film that I actually love), or if I'm being more generous, Goodfellas, has been slick AF and, with some exceptions, has been a lotta technique and not a lotta soul.

I think I agree that Goodfellas is where he started becoming somewhat of a different filmmaker. It's all still obviously Scorsese, and for me I think most of it is still brilliant, challenging, interesting stuff, but it doesn't have quite the same vitality. With the exception of Wolf of Wall Street, which I think is in contention as the best thing he's done since Raging Bull. Is it 'slick'? I guess, even though I do have issues with that word, as I equate it with 'empty'. But, if we are going to call it slick, it is slick only in the best of ways.