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Stirchley
03-09-20, 02:17 PM
Is this the 1st thread? Surprising in a way, but couldn’t find another thread.
Virus has finally reached Connecticut where I live. Every state with close proximity to us has the virus, but we managed to evade it for a while.
A friend who works at UConn Health Center told me yesterday that the hospital freaked out after a suspected case was brought in. Turned out to be a false alarm, but 2 people from New York State have brought the virus to Danbury & Bridgeport Hospitals.
Somber day at the cathedral mass yesterday. Archbishop decreed that the holy water fonts shall remain empty. No communion wafers on the tongue, only by hand. No touching anyone during the peace offering - waving only.
No hand sanitizer, rubbing alcohol or wipes available anywhere. Turns out the Doomsday Preppers knew something after all.
Stirchley
03-09-20, 02:19 PM
Northern Italy is closed. All of Italy’s schools are closed. Churches are open, but there are no masses. Apart from China, Italy has the highest percentage of elderly vulnerable people - 25% of the population is 65+.
Citizen Rules
03-09-20, 02:35 PM
I was thinking about making a thread about this as I've been following the news on the corona virus. Glad you did.
Here in Washington state we've had a number of deaths thanks to the gross mishandling of a nursing home where the staff knew a contagious respiratory disease was going around. So what do they do? They have a Mardi Gras celebration and invited family members and friends...and all the patients and guest are together in a big room having food. Meanwhile the staff wore face mask. Nuts!
Toilet paper is hard to find, there's no hand sanitizer, rubbing alcohol, face mask, all that kind of stuff has been cleaned out. The University of Washington suspended classes, and I'm guessing public schools will be closed here eventually too.
Citizen Rules
03-09-20, 02:38 PM
The cruising industry is going to be devastated financial, and I was thinking of taking another cruise too. Well maybe later, much later!
John McClane
03-09-20, 02:57 PM
Yeah, this is precisely why I will never go on a cruise. Because when **** hits the fan every government is going to be incompetent and leave your ass in the petri dish. Relaxing? I don't think so.
Stirchley
03-09-20, 03:10 PM
Look at what New York State is doing! 100,000 gallons of this stuff is being churned out EVERY WEEK by prison labor. I have tweeted CT’s governor, Ned Lamont, to do the same! ASAP.
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John McClane
03-09-20, 04:23 PM
Yeah, I'm not a proponent of prison/slave labor. No matter the epi/pandemic, but NY has always had a bad track record in that regard, anyhow.
Citizen Rules
03-09-20, 04:55 PM
I believe the prisoners in NY volunteer to make the hand cleaner and are paid too.
Wyldesyde19
03-09-20, 05:00 PM
A bunch of us have a trip planned to Thailand this June/July and we’re monitoring the situation closely. Hoping they have it under wraps by then but one never knows.
Stirchley
03-09-20, 05:11 PM
A bunch of us have a trip planned to Thailand this June/July and we’re monitoring the situation closely. Hoping they have it under wraps by then but one never knows.
I would not visit Thailand if you paid me. Their lack of animal rights is appalling. Gentle people, but they abuse their animals, including elephants.
Stirchley
03-09-20, 05:13 PM
Yeah, I'm not a proponent of prison/slave labor. No matter the epi/pandemic, but NY has always had a bad track record in that regard, anyhow.
This is not the time. I don’t give a damn who makes the stuff. Annoyed that NY has come up with this & CT has not.
Stirchley
03-09-20, 05:17 PM
Gonna sit down now & re-watch Contagion. Didn’t even know I own this & can’t remember a single scene (which does not bode well).
A bunch of us have a trip planned to Thailand this June/July and we’re monitoring the situation closely. Hoping they have it under wraps by then but one never knows.
Off topic but you mind me asking what parts you're visiting?
Wyldesyde19
03-09-20, 05:22 PM
A bunch of us have a trip planned to Thailand this June/July and we’re monitoring the situation closely. Hoping they have it under wraps by then but one never knows.
Off topic but you mind me asking what parts you're visiting?
An island named Koh Samui
John McClane
03-09-20, 05:33 PM
I believe the prisoners in NY volunteer to make the hand cleaner and are paid too.Well yeah, they're probably drinking it ;)
Miss Vicky
03-09-20, 06:07 PM
There's been at least one confirmed case in my town and it was a woman who had not traveled recently and had no known contact with anyone who had traveled. The hospital where she was is within walking distance from my house.
They've been quarantining Americans from China and people from that cruise ship at the air force base nearby.
Scary stuff.
Mr Minio
03-09-20, 06:14 PM
The first confirmed case in my country was in my city. xD Now we're up to 17 confirmed cases in the whole country, and probably dozens if not hundreds undetected ones. When the case in my city had been confirmed, people stormed the stores to buy long-lasting products such as rice, pasta and canned food, so a shortage of such products was quite noticeable that day (i.e. empty shelves), but now everything seems to be back to normal after they'd been resupplied.
The hospitals in Poland need donations, because they don't have enough equipment. They were crying out loud there is not enough equipment after only one confirmed case in my city, so imagine what would happen if dozens cases were taken to the hospital at once. They have some plans that in case the isolation ward gets overcrowded, they will temporarily use other wards, but the health service in Poland is hardly standing on its feet, and it's hard to foresee what would happen if the virus really got out of control, which thankfully is not very likely but sadly still feasible.
Meanwhile, the President of Poland signed a statute to transfer 2 billion zloty a year for 4 consecutive years (which equals 8 billion in total) to the public TV which has become a disgusting Goebbels-level propaganda tube that attacks basically anybody who's not siding with the current government, symbolically showing the middle finger to all other needs of the country, including the opposition's demand to transfer this money to oncology wards to help fight cancer, and now --- to provide the equipment needed for the outbreak of Coronavirus. Yes, the equipment and the resources are there, but not quite enough.
Less optimistic predictions state that in two-three weeks we will have a second Italy here, but some people claim it will just blow over with no serious impact. It's really hard to say what future will bring, but all we can do right now is try to avoid big crowds of people, wash our hands often, and hope we will not fall sick.
WrinkledMind
03-09-20, 06:34 PM
All of Italy now closed down.
Never heard or seen anything like this in my life before. And the world has dealt with worse diseases like Ebola or here in India we had the Nipah virus.
Stirchley
03-09-20, 06:37 PM
Well yeah, they're probably drinking it ;)
Reminder not to send any NY hand sanitizer to Virginia.
All of Italy now closed down.
Is this true? Do you have a link?
WrinkledMind
03-09-20, 06:45 PM
Here you go, Stirchley
https://twitter.com/POLITICOEurope/status/1237120548309815296
https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1237120925017026560
Austruck
03-09-20, 08:03 PM
The cruising industry is going to be devastated financial, and I was thinking of taking another cruise too. Well maybe later, much later!
We're scheduled to take a cruise in early May, including a flight to the port and then a train ride home after the cruise.
Carnival sent us information yesterday on options for cancelling/taking credit for money already paid. We'll be discussing this option, especially since Southwest Airlines is good about changes/cancellations, and even Amtrak has put a policy in place for no fees for changes/cancellations right now. No reason to risk it, IMHO. But... must have this discussion with hubby, who will have to change his vacation days now to something later in the year.
Guaporense
03-09-20, 08:31 PM
All of Italy now closed down.
Never heard or seen anything like this in my life before. And the world has dealt with worse diseases like Ebola or here in India we had the Nipah virus.
It is the biggest pandemic in a 100 years, since the Spanish flu of 1918-1919 and it is going to kill something like 50 million people. We should call it "The Italian flu". :D
Citizen Rules
03-09-20, 08:37 PM
We're scheduled to take a cruise in early May, including a flight to the port and then a train ride home after the cruise.
Carnival sent us information yesterday on options for cancelling/taking credit for money already paid. We'll be discussing this option, especially since Southwest Airlines is good about changes/cancellations, and even Amtrak has put a policy in place for no fees for changes/cancellations right now. No reason to risk it, IMHO. But... must have this discussion with hubby, who will have to change his vacation days now to something later in the year. Early May isn't that far away...If your cruise was like a year from now, this coronavirus should have run it's course. So tough decision, but it's cool that Carnival is giving you an option to cancel and take another cruise at a later date. I had heard about that new policy and it's very recent, I'm thinking it was implemented in the last few days or so.
I've been on 12 cruises and my wife is wanting to take another. Should be some good prices in the near future. Though being locked down under quarantine doesn't sound fun!
NedStark09
03-09-20, 08:53 PM
Did anyone know that over 60,000 people have died from the flu in 2019 but no one in the news talked about that happening. They just seem to cover the new thing. And another thing why does it seem like the viruses start in same area over seas. In som asian country the Swine, Bird Blue and now this virus has started.
NedStark09
03-09-20, 08:55 PM
It is the biggest pandemic in a 100 years, since the Spanish flu of 1918-1919 and it is going to kill something like 50 million people. We should call it "The Italian flu". :D
wonder if anyone has the death toll numbers what the Black Plague caused back in the day.
Guaporense
03-09-20, 08:58 PM
wonder if anyone has the death toll numbers what the Black Plague caused back in the day.
Roughly it is estimated it killed 1 in 4 people worldwide, with substantially higher mortality in some parts of Europe. Basically it was like killing 2 billion people today. :eek:
Guaporense
03-09-20, 08:59 PM
Did anyone know that over 60,000 people have died from the flu in 2019 but no one in the news talked about that happening. They just seem to cover the new thing. And another thing why does it seem like the viruses start in same area over seas. In som asian country the Swine, Bird Blue and now this virus has started.
Every year about 50 to 60 million people die.
Coronavirus is different because it is a new disease that could theoretically be contained but was not. Also, it kills about 2% of infected people, so it spreads to the whole world it could kill upwards to 150 million people.
Miss Vicky
03-09-20, 09:05 PM
Did anyone know that over 60,000 people have died from the flu in 2019 but no one in the news talked about that happening. They just seem to cover the new thing.
That's because we have a flu vaccine as well as greater knowledge of how that disease affects people and how to provide care for the infected. There are people working on a coronavirus vaccine but it'll be a long while before that is ready and available and we're still learning about how this virus spreads, incubation periods, etc.
Also I've seen plenty of reports/videos that compare mortality rates of COVID-19 with that of the flu so it's not all just fear mongering.
Stirchley
03-09-20, 09:50 PM
Here you go, Stirchley
TYVM
We're scheduled to take a cruise in early May, including a flight to the port and then a train ride home after the cruise.
Nothing right now would make me take a cruise.
and it is going to kill something like 50 million people. We should call it "The Italian flu". :D
As it originated in China, that would make no sense. How did you come up with this figure?
Gonna sit down now & re-watch Contagion. Didn’t even know I own this & can’t remember a single scene (which does not bode well).
Wow, prescient, much? Terrific movie that did not resonate with me at all 9 years ago.
John McClane
03-09-20, 10:51 PM
They ain’t ****ing around either. Said they will bring criminal charges against anyone that violates it.
Smart move, tho. Italy is full of old people.
John McClane
03-09-20, 10:54 PM
and it is going to kill something like 50 million people. We should call it "The Italian flu". :D
As it originated in China, that would make no sense. How did you come up with this figure?You do know the Spanish flu of 1918 didn’t originate in Spain? That’s just where the news of it broke. Where it starts don’t mean nothing.
Citizen Rules
03-09-20, 10:54 PM
It is the biggest pandemic in a 100 years, since the Spanish flu of 1918-1919 and it is going to kill something like 50 million people. We should call it "The Italian flu". :DWhere did you get that 50 million number from?
...Coronavirus is different because it is a new disease that could theoretically be contained but was not. Also, it kills about 2% of infected people, so it spreads to the whole world it could kill upwards to 150 million people. And where did you get the even higher 150 million from?
The fact is we don't know how bad the coronavirus will be. 2% mortality rate is probably accurate and that makes it about 20 times more deadly than the common flu, which kills around 50,000 a year. 20 times 50,000 would be a number of 1 million deaths...However, all sorts of steps are being taken to isolate infected people and to keep large groups of people from getting together, so the actual death toll could be no more than the standard flu.
Did anyone know that over 60,000 people have died from the flu in 2019 but no one in the news talked about that happening. They just seem to cover the new thing. And another thing why does it seem like the viruses start in same area over seas. In some asian country the Swine, Bird Blue and now this virus has started.New super flu strains often start in China because in rural areas it's common for pigs, ducks and people to be in close proximity to each other, which allows an existing avian flu to transmit to pigs and pigs are enough like human physiological that we then can catch the bird flu from them. Then there's such a high density of people that it spreads rapidly from there.
Citizen Rules
03-09-20, 10:58 PM
You do know the Spanish flu of 1918 didn’t originate in Spain? That’s just where the news of it broke. Where it starts don’t mean nothing.That's true. Most of the countries prohibited mentioning the flu of 1918. But not Spain, they talked about in the newspapers so that it then got associated with them. But that wasn't the origin point.
John McClane
03-09-20, 11:01 PM
When it comes to deadly viruses the more contagious the better. You want something that burns hard and fast. That’s why the Spanish flu ended as quick as it did.
chawhee
03-10-20, 12:51 AM
It is worrisome that this virus continues to ramp up as the weather gets warmer, contrary to the common flu virus behavior. Could make an interesting next month or two...
NedStark09
03-10-20, 01:33 AM
Also I hear countries over seas sometimes eat things god didnt create us to eat. Some tribal people in jungles eat bats monkeys and so on.Strange thing with me is I dont get flu's or colds. I have similar allergy symptoms like coughs and sneezing now and then.
But I dont get fevers and chest congestion colds and I never get a flu shot. Im From West Virginia and maybe its because we have no large airports or shipping yards for boats . Sure lots people here die of cancer do to coal mining. We raise Pigs and Chickens. But no generated death virus.
Im thinking these strands of killer virus just might be started as a weapon against lots of people. I watch the show Last Ship long before Swine Flu and this came into being. I think worst thing is for people to watch the news. Cause news seem to want to promote death or war.
I think now the time if for people to clean more and Im talking about Buisnesses like Walmart and things. I was to a movie theater and the smell of pee and poop knock you over. And I have been in many stores where the floors look unmopped for days.
Austruck
03-10-20, 01:49 AM
I had heard about that new policy and it's very recent, I'm thinking it was implemented in the last few days or so.
Yup, just yesterday. I had checked their website for information the day before that and none of this was there. This was an email to us as upcoming passengers so I'm not sure how public the information is. There were also onboard credits available if we choose to go on the cruise anyway, though not enough to impress me that much ($200 total for our stateroom).
JoaoRodrigues
03-10-20, 05:20 AM
Let it come, let it die, we're so boring with our save this and do this and that. I'm all in with new beginnings.
Yeah, I wouldn't extrapolate current rates to the entire world population. That's not how it works. We understand it better each day, and there's no way we could get to a fraction of that total without awareness spreading as well, which would help combat it.
I'll take the way, way under on even the smaller of those two big scary numbers.
NedStark09
03-10-20, 11:43 AM
well i choose not to panic with these kind of things. If it how you die its just how it is. People die by drunk drivers and cancer and guns then this thing. So i say remain positive as long as your healthy.My sister yesterday had surgery to have to have her colon put in a bag for 6 months. All things went fine in surgery but point is she couldnt wait to see if this virus was over . They had to fix her from a fistula. That was putting pus and poo where she peed. I did my preyors and she lived and is doing well so maybe preying isnt a bad thing in these times.
GulfportDoc
03-10-20, 07:58 PM
“A bad flu season is 80,000 dead, we’ve got about 18,000 dead from influenza this year, we have a hundred from corona,” Dr. Drew said in an interview with CBS.
“Which should you be worried about, influenza or Corona? A hundred versus 18,000? It’s not a trick question,” Drew noted.
Dr Drew Slams Media For ‘Hurting People’ With Coronavirus Panic
https://www.infowars.com/dr-drew-slams-media-for-hurting-people-with-coronavirus-panic/
Mesmerized
03-10-20, 09:39 PM
No hand sanitizer, rubbing alcohol or wipes available anywhere. Turns out the Doomsday Preppers knew something after all.
There are various places on the internet that tell you how to make the stuff. 2/3 cup rubbing alcohol (if you can find it) and 1/3 cup aloe vera gel. Or maybe both ingredients are now hard to find.
Mesmerized
03-10-20, 09:42 PM
“Which should you be worried about, influenza or Corona?
I'm partial to the bottled variety.
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TheUsualSuspect
03-10-20, 10:25 PM
“A bad flu season is 80,000 dead, we’ve got about 18,000 dead from influenza this year, we have a hundred from corona,” Dr. Drew said in an interview with CBS.
“Which should you be worried about, influenza or Corona? A hundred versus 18,000? It’s not a trick question,” Drew noted.
Dr Drew Slams Media For ‘Hurting People’ With Coronavirus Panic
https://www.infowars.com/dr-drew-slams-media-for-hurting-people-with-coronavirus-panic/
:rolleyes: Italy had over 100 die in a single day.
doubledenim
03-10-20, 10:43 PM
Wait a sec, did I see InfoWars?
NedStark09
03-10-20, 11:03 PM
All Virus germinate from somewhere and just dont happen to a person over night. Why these virus's and flus kill is because people cannot afford to see a dr across the world. They think its just a cold bug. All the panic warnings is mute really cause if its air born now then we all should die. Unless as I always suspected that the virus effects certain people and not everyone. Its like why people got or didnt get Swine Or Bird Flu.
chawhee
03-10-20, 11:33 PM
The unknowns are still scary... How long does it take to show symptoms, how contagious is it.... The worst is yet to come in the US it sounds like
Citizen Rules
03-10-20, 11:39 PM
The unknowns are still scary... How long does it take to show symptoms, how contagious is it.... The worst is yet to come in the US it sounds likeIt takes 2 to 14 days before those infected show symptoms. Many who are infected won't really get sick and so might think they just have a cold and so continue spreading it. It's at least as contagious as the flu, but from what I read it sounds even more so.
Austruck
03-11-20, 12:32 AM
There are various places on the internet that tell you how to make the stuff. 2/3 cup rubbing alcohol (if you can find it) and 1/3 cup aloe vera gel. Or maybe both ingredients are now hard to find.
Or, you know, just wash your hands properly, which is far better than using hand sanitizer anyway. That stuff is only really for when you don't have access to a sink and soap. It's pretty lousy to use as a primary source of sanitizing. People should be stocking up on soap, if anything.
doubledenim
03-11-20, 03:36 AM
She's right. Lubrication is more important than anything.
Chypmunk
03-11-20, 04:07 AM
She's right. Lubrication is more important than anything.
I once had a necrophiliac friend that said exactly the same :D
On topic though, it's amazing to me that people are needing to be taught basic hygiene really.
NedStark09
03-11-20, 05:41 AM
My families second oldest sister is in the hospital for a repair of a fistula that was in her private area. Its pretty much a tear that causes poop too come through a women's area where she pees . You get them if a women has an inflammation in the small intestine or its side effect if females have a Diverticulitous.
She is doing fine by the way anyways my other sister traveled 3 hours to see her in the hospital and wouldnt hug my sister because thought might get the corona virus.
Me and My sister who had the surgery dont have a cold or anything. It was just that we are poorer then my sister and people in the news think poor people are likely to get this virus. Or could be a carrier. And only places we go in our small town happens to be a Walmart or A Shop And Save Or Doller Tree.
Chypmunk
03-11-20, 05:59 AM
And there was me worrying that I may have overstepped the bounds :shrug:
John-Connor
03-11-20, 08:10 AM
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Ultraviolence
03-11-20, 08:35 AM
^ haha
Do you guys remember that 2011 movie "Contagion"? It's funny how that film looks current now, like "The Siege" after 9/11 for example.
“A bad flu season is 80,000 dead, we’ve got about 18,000 dead from influenza this year, we have a hundred from corona,” Dr. Drew said in an interview with CBS.
“Which should you be worried about, influenza or Corona? A hundred versus 18,000? It’s not a trick question,” Drew noted.
Dr Drew Slams Media For ‘Hurting People’ With Coronavirus Panic
https://www.infowars.com/dr-drew-slams-media-for-hurting-people-with-coronavirus-panic/
And a bad flu season doesn't clog an entire country's hospital system, either. Since this manifestly has, it should be obvious already that comparisons to the flu are, to put it as nicely as I can, ignorant. Not because this is ebola or something, but because it's essentially a bad flu that none of us are immune to yet.
Anyone reading this, please disregard people telling you this is unimportant. They're either smacking down the obvious straw man of "panic" (which you also should not do) or working backwards from some political consideration. Simply take it seriously by being careful about your interactions and studious about your hygiene, and we'll all be better off.
chawhee
03-11-20, 10:03 AM
To add to Yoda's comment about immunity, I believe I also read that people who have had the coronavirus did not develop the proper antibodies to fight it off again if they encountered it a second time. There have been cases of reinfection, so this is another concern.
GulfportDoc
03-11-20, 11:00 AM
:rolleyes: Italy had over 100 die in a single day.
I believe Dr. Drew was referring to the U.S. population. Still, using his worst case figures, 60,000 deaths would average 164 per day.
In my view there are people who are inclined to quickly panic over dire warning situations, while there are those who are not inclined that way. The panic is always promoted by the media, government, and oftentimes the pharmaceutical companies-- all who stand to gain from the panic.
I've lived through 3 or 4 of these hysterical disease warning episodes, and they never cause anywhere near the death and misery that they have predicted.
Naturally people should be careful, wash/sanitize hands, avoid contact with sick people, just like a prudent person would do during regular flu season. It's especially important for the elderly, immunocompromised, or those who are already seriously sick with something else.
This also should cause some serious re-appraisal of continuing to allow China to be our sole provider of many medicines and other goods. We here in the U.S. ought to be more self-sufficient.
Consider the possibility that reacting strongly and seriously to previous pandemics is why they didn't end up causing as much death and misery as they could have.
That people may have perverse incentives to spread panic can be true without in any way minimizing the actual risk, or downplaying it in some dangerous attempt to counterbalance them. Embrace the "and."
John McClane
03-11-20, 11:11 AM
If I had a few grand to dump into the stock mocket I totally would right now. Rich asshats using fear to make more money and buy a bigger asshat.
rauldc14
03-11-20, 11:42 AM
As I said before, shut the world down for a month. Problem possibly solved.
From a White House press briefing:
https://twitter.com/ErinBanco/status/1237757623526719499
Fauci is the head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.
John McClane
03-11-20, 12:34 PM
Fauci is ten times more stupid than the seasonal idiot.
The Rodent
03-11-20, 12:49 PM
This whole thing is media panic mongering.
Reported in Britain as "The" Coronavirus... harking about deaths caused etc.
THE Coronavirus as it's reported, THE Coronavirus (even though there's actually 6 or 7 types), THE Coronavirus, in 6 months, has killed... 4000.
8000 a year average.
Regular flu and colds kill over a million a year.
Since January 1st, 10 weeks, flu and common cold has killed 160,000.
The major thing I'm pissed at, is that in the UK, the media panic mongers aren't saying exactly who has died.
If you do some digging though, ALL deaths, are people in their 70s and 80s, who already had underlying illnesses like cancer and heart disease or have compromised immune systems.
It takes a LOT of digging to find the facts, because the media don't report it. They just love to panic monger for click bait and to sell papers.
Looting, panic buying, stockpiling, shutting schools and public events cancelled... over what is essentially a virus that is 40 times weaker than the common cold... because people believe what they're fed.
Rant over.
Mic Drop.
John McClane
03-11-20, 12:52 PM
Like I said, asshats trying to buy a bigger asshat.
rauldc14
03-11-20, 01:05 PM
It's a big deal, but the media is going overboard and therefore society too.
Mr Minio
03-11-20, 01:16 PM
They closed all schools and unis for two weeks in my country :)
Citizen Rules
03-11-20, 01:40 PM
“A bad flu season is 80,000 dead, we’ve got about 18,000 dead from influenza this year, we have a hundred from corona,” Dr. Drew said in an interview with CBS.
“Which should you be worried about, influenza or Corona? A hundred versus 18,000? It’s not a trick question,” Drew noted.
Dr Drew Slams Media For ‘Hurting People’ With Coronavirus Panic
https://www.infowars.com/dr-drew-slams-media-for-hurting-people-with-coronavirus-panic/
That's the same Dr. Drew with right wing leanings, that constantly warns of a homeless plaque disease outbreak. Sounds hypocritical to me as he ties homeless to a potential disease plaque, while saying stupidly the coronavirus is nothing worse than the common flu. I'm sure Italy didn't lock down part of their country over the common flu.
Dr. Drew Warns Of Plague Outbreak: How The Homeless Crisis Puts Los Angeles At Risk of Norovirus, Typhus, and Rickettsial Infections (https://drdrew.com/2018/los-angeles-homelessness-norovirus-plague-warning-sanitation/)
And this is the same Dr. Drew who's CNN TV show Dr. Drew on Call was cancelled after he made false claims on a radio talk show that Hillary Clinton was gravely ill during the last presidential election.
With that in mind I personally believe he's parroting the Trump administrations Cornonavirus policy: aka 'don't worry be happy'.
Simple death toll comparisons are really weird, and don't really make sense, because you're comparing something after it's fully spread to something that's just now spreading. Of course the latter will be lower. That's why you need to factor in the lethality rate among people who are already infected. And by that metric, Coronavirus is a lot worse than the seasonal flu.
Does that mean it will kill as many? Nope! Especially if the "panic" causes people to actually behave more carefully. That's the catch-22 of warnings about disease: you can say it's overblown, but how would you know the difference between "overblown because it was never a big deal" and "overblown because the worry actually got people to take it seriously, so it didn't spread as much"?
Citizen Rules
03-11-20, 01:45 PM
Simple death toll comparisons are really weird, and don't really make sense, because you're comparing something after it's fully spread to something that's just now spreading. Of course the latter will be lower. That's why you need to factor in the lethality rate among people who are already infected. And by that metric, Coronavirus is a lot worse than the seasonal flu. Agreed...
Does that mean it will kill as many? Nope! Especially if the "panic" causes people to actually behave more carefully. That's the catch-22 of warnings about disease: you can say it's overblown, but how would you know the difference between "overblown because it was never a big deal" and "overblown because the worry actually got people to take it seriously, so it didn't spread as much"?...and agreed. That sums it up nicely.
John McClane
03-11-20, 01:53 PM
This virus is an exercise in stamping out stupidity, so I am all for it.
WARNING: Don't cough on people because you will get them sick. :eek:
But but...that's counter to everything I was ever told in school. I thought we were SUPPOSED to cough on each other. Damn, I been doing it wrong all these years.
Did ya'll see the couple that is suing the cruise line for $1mil because they said they exposed them? Hello, ya'll were stupid enough to set foot on a petri dish.
WrinkledMind
03-11-20, 01:53 PM
People are indeed taking this lightly because of the death rate.
But they are ignoring the quickness with which this is spreading. This virus has already mutated couple of times already. Who knows, it might mutate again and turn into a more lethal form.
The biggest issue is the rate. With a high rate, you are looking at a large number of patients and that puts an incredible amount of strain on the hospitals.
I am already reading horrifying stories from Italy where because of the unmanageable workload doctors and nurses are being forced to make a choice between patients. They are simply letting anyone above 85-90 years die, because younger lot have a better chance of surviving. I am not blaming the doctors cause they have been put in an unwinnable situation, but look at this and take the thing seriously. Cause if we don't, then things will get worse from here.
This thing hasn't even exploded in heavily populated developing countries like India or Brazil, like it has in Italy and Iran. If that happens, then God help us.
And this is not me trying to scaremonger. But it will help if everyone starts taking serious precautions.
Yeah, fear about this stuff isn't averaged out. If some people are overreacting, you don't fix that by taking the opposite position and implying it's no big deal. Just take the correct position. And it seems pretty clear the correct position is "this could be pretty dangerous, it's spreading fast and kills more than the flu, but it's not the end of the world, so let's be smart and keep the toll minimal."
Citizen Rules
03-11-20, 02:06 PM
People are indeed taking this lightly because of the death rate.
But they are ignoring the quickness with which this is spreading. It's called denial. I see some people reacting to the threat of coronavirus with a lot of anger driven denial, that most likely is coming from a deep fear of a pandemic. It's a normal human response to initially deny and attack bad news, like the coronavirus, even to the point of believing contradictory facts. It's a defense mechanism.
I am already reading horrifying stories from Italy where because of the unmanageable workload doctors and nurses are being forced to make a choice between patients. They are simply letting anyone above 85-90 years die, because younger lot have a better chance of surviving. I am not blaming the doctors cause they have been put in an unwinnable situation, but look at this and take the thing seriously. Cause if we don't, then things will get worse from here.
This thing hasn't even exploded in heavy populated developing countries like India or Brazil, like it has in Italy and Iran. If that happens, then God help us.
And this is not me trying to scaremonger. But it will help if everyone starts taking serious precautions. I take the threat seriously in large part due to the unprecedented reaction by governments and cities. When public officials take such extreme precautions as closing schools and quarantines, one needs to take the coronovirus seriously...but no one should panic, it's not the end of the world. Just a big speed bump.
Austruck
03-11-20, 02:13 PM
Consider the possibility that reacting strongly and seriously to previous pandemics is why they didn't end up causing as much death and misery as they could have.
That people may have perverse incentives to spread panic can be true without in any way minimizing the actual risk, or downplaying it in some dangerous attempt to counterbalance them. Embrace the "and."
Very true. I've had an April conference postponed till October and a board meeting this month probably going to Skype. I've gotten emails about change in policy from Carnival and Amtrak. Colleges are switching to online classes. Nobody's *panicking* -- they are simply doing these prudent things in order to keep this thing from being bigger than it would be otherwise.
Big difference between prudence and panic. :)
Chypmunk
03-11-20, 02:14 PM
Some of the media really don't help in keeping people balanced over issues such as this. The wife's default TV channel when there's nothing of interest on is BBC News 24 and just like Brexit they are making as much coverage out of Covid-19 as they can from what I've had to see. If I didn't need the telly to watch my movies on I'd quite happily put a brick through it tbh :D
WrinkledMind
03-11-20, 02:19 PM
To add to what I have said above, we aren't even discussing the secondary effects of this outbreak, and that is the financial cost. Of course we shouldn't at this point now, cause our primary concern should be health.
But I saw my two years worth of earnings in stock market wiped out clean on Friday. Now I am privileged enough to have a primary job and this was just my secondary pay.
But imagine pensioners who invested there.
I am also lucky enough to be in a profession, where I can work from home, if my company tells me to. Imagine what the daily labourers would go through when the business will start shutting down. I am not speaking of the temporary breaks if and when the governments everywhere would put in for a short time. I am speaking about loss of jobs because certain businesses will go bust after this.
The thing is the longer we let status quo continue, the severe the impact will be. Hence, the cry for taking more measures now. If needed take harsher measures. The quicker we halt this, the lesser the damage we will incur. And the quicker we will come out of that as well.
As I type this, I see WHO has declared this a pandemic.
The Rodent
03-11-20, 02:24 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/chinese-grandmother-103-recovers-from-coronavirus-after-being-treated-for-less-than-a-week/ar-BB112myk?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=ACERDHP17
103 years old. Contracted the virus... a week later, recovered.
UK news won't report it though... because it's not panic mongering.
As I said... older people with underlying conditions are at risk.
Fit, and ANY age?
Healthy and ANY age?
Stop looting and rioting. Simple.
Mic Drop.
Again.
John McClane
03-11-20, 02:41 PM
Financial wise I don't have much sympathy for anyone who is retired/about to retire having their accounts hit hard by this virus. They should know better than to have the bulk of their retirement wealth in a volatile investment like the stock market. This is why we have bonds and mutual funds.
Mesmerized
03-11-20, 03:13 PM
The World Health Organization has declared the Coronavirus a pandemic.
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/11/814474930/coronavirus-covid-19-is-now-officially-a-pandemic-who-says
RoystenCrow
03-11-20, 03:24 PM
Every reservation for planes, trains and automobiles I've got is emailing about this stoopid bug. You don't trust the CDC fine, you think the government are full of it, fine, I just wish people would stop listening to the click bait powered media.
There's a nice dose of real on Joe Rogan with Michael Osterholm - an internationally recognized expert in infectious disease epidemiology.
Stirchley
03-11-20, 04:06 PM
Italy is full of old people.
Slight exaggeration. 25% of the population is 65+.
... in China because in rural areas it's common for pigs, ducks and people to be in close proximity to each other, which allows an existing avian flu to transmit to pigs and pigs are enough like human physiological that we then can catch the bird flu from them.
Not just rural areas. This whole mess (as I’ve posted before) started in the wet live animal markets that were all over China in the country & the cities. Cages piled 6 high filled with distressed & terrified animals. Many stolen pets & many endangered species of wildlife. Prime breeding grounds for disease. Bill Gates predicted a year ago that a pandemic would arise from these markets & he was right.
Also I hear countries over seas sometimes eat things god didnt create us to eat. Some tribal people in jungles eat bats monkeys and so on.
LOL. Not like us civilized folks who only eat pigs, sheep, cows, et al. :rolleyes:
I'm all in with new beginnings.
You might get a new beginning if Portugal is affected as badly as Spain.
I believe Dr. Drew was referring to the U.S. population. Still, using his worst case figures, 60,000 deaths would average 164 per day.
Dr. Drew from 16 and Pregnant? Do people really give him credence?
As I said before, shut the world down for a month. Problem possibly solved.
IMO, this will last at least all of this year.
John McClane
03-11-20, 04:13 PM
Slight exaggeration. 25% of the population is 65+.Yup, that would definitely count as full of old people then. I underestimated their oldness. Old people like old things. I feel like that's the appeal of Italy: lots of **** older than you.
Stirchley
03-11-20, 04:16 PM
Yup, that would definitely count as full of old people then. I underestimated their oldness. Old people like old things. I feel like that's the appeal of Italy: lots of **** older than you.
Your math is completely off. If 25% are 65+, ergo 75% are not.
John McClane
03-11-20, 04:24 PM
Your math is completely off. If 25% are 65+, ergo 75% are not.That's because they're just practicing at being old. My math is solider than a Triscuit cracker.
Stirchley
03-11-20, 04:25 PM
⬆️ You’re a cracker. :p
NedStark09
03-11-20, 04:39 PM
Its quite clear to me by seeing how China reacts to this. Tells me they seem to have a lung illness weakness in the treatment. Because you see many asian countries have heavy mask wearers. I personally think Covid19 is some kind of weapon from some terrorist group but something in it allowed not just asians of chinese to be infected. Call it my silly Oliver Stone conspiracy theary. But North Korea would love illnesses to there enemies and that be just about anyone not them.
Mesmerized
03-11-20, 04:40 PM
And this is the same Dr. Drew who's CNN TV show Dr. Drew on Call was cancelled after he made false claims on a radio talk show that Hillary Clinton was gravely ill during the last presidential election.
I disagree with Dr. Drew about HC being gravely ill during the last presidential election. Hillary Clinton has always been gravely ill -- in the heart and in the head.
NedStark09
03-11-20, 04:44 PM
Slight exaggeration. 25% of the population is 65+.
Not just rural areas. This whole mess (as I’ve posted before) started in the wet live animal markets that were all over China in the country & the cities. Cages piled 6 high filled with distressed & terrified animals. Many stolen pets & many endangered species of wildlife. Prime breeding grounds for disease. Bill Gates predicted a year ago that a pandemic would arise from these markets & he was right.
LOL. Not like us civilized folks who only eat pigs, sheep, cows, et al. :rolleyes:
You might get a new beginning if Portugal is affected as badly as Spain.
Dr. Drew from 16 and Pregnant? Do people really give him credence?
IMO, this will last at least all of this year.
Well God clear;y created Cows Pigs Chickens and Sheep for human consumption because they are in the bible. But Human beings will eat anything. And thus is why so many likely get sick.
That's a tad literal: he obviously means "full" as "a lot more than normal." I can say a vacation spot is "full of bugs" even if the majority of living things are not bugs. ;)
WrinkledMind
03-11-20, 04:49 PM
It's not just about consumption of animals and birds.
When we are looking at wet markets in China or other developing countries, then the conditions actually give rise to more diseases than the actual eating part.
The way animals and birds are stored, or rather cramped in tiny cages. Several lay dead at times, and are not removed. They are left there. And ones alive are kept in a mixture of ****, blood and pus. This is a perfect environment for diseases to flourish.
NedStark09
03-11-20, 04:49 PM
Some tribal people will eat ants and spiders. Its easy sad to say for us humans to kill our selves. Just by accident
NedStark09
03-11-20, 04:50 PM
Birds are the dirtiest carriers for things cause all the do is eat fly and poop.
Chypmunk
03-11-20, 04:59 PM
Birds are the dirtiest carriers for things cause all the do is eat fly and poop.
This logically makes pilots the dirtiest humans. Stay away from pilots people!!! :D
John McClane
03-11-20, 05:00 PM
Racism is cool again (https://www.reddit.com/r/Cringetopia/comments/fgusiu/the_racism_is_cool_again_virus_is_spreading/)
Stirchley
03-11-20, 05:05 PM
Well God clear;y created Cows Pigs Chickens and Sheep for human consumption because they are in the bible.
Noah’s Ark was full of animals we don’t eat (e.g., elephants & zebras) & that’s in the Bible.
I can say a vacation spot is "full of bugs" even if the majority of living things are not bugs. ;)
You might say this. I would not. :)
When we are looking at wet markets in China or other developing countries, then the conditions actually give rise to more diseases than the actual eating part. The way animals and birds are stored, or rather cramped in tiny cages. Several lay dead at times, and are not removed. They are left there. And ones alive are kept in a mixture of ****, blood and pus. This is a perfect environment for diseases to flourish.
Read my post again. I said the exact same thing as you. This is what I said: Cages piled 6 high filled with distressed & terrified animals. Many stolen pets & many endangered species of wildlife. Prime breeding grounds for disease.
John McClane
03-11-20, 05:06 PM
This pandemic gives more credence to Agent Smith's philosophy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgS1Lwr8gq8
WrinkledMind
03-11-20, 05:56 PM
Stirchley
I wasn't countering you. I was speaking with respect to Ned's comment on humans eating anything.
NedStark09
03-11-20, 07:08 PM
Well I should say humans can have the chance to eat any animal. People in certain countries eat what there is for protein. Im by no way saying cows and pigs are safer. Just saying some animals shouldnt be eaten. Lots people eat birds but not all birds should be eaten. Sure an Osteridge has pretty big drumstick. But is it meant to be worlds biggest turkey.
I have no idea the purpose for Zebra other then for Lions to eat them Stirchley. Zebra and Gazelle seem to be African main food to hunt. Every contenant has some type of dear like animal. Zebra in a since are horses or donkey type animals and should be pack animals. But they are not used for that.
I just not a big supporter all things animal should be eaten. Nor am I a vegetarian. My feeling is animals have a purpose but not all were meant for food.
GulfportDoc
03-11-20, 08:20 PM
This whole thing is media panic mongering.
...
The major thing I'm pissed at, is that in the UK, the media panic mongers aren't saying exactly who has died.
If you do some digging though, ALL deaths, are people in their 70s and 80s, who already had underlying illnesses like cancer and heart disease or have compromised immune systems.
It takes a LOT of digging to find the facts, because the media don't report it. They just love to panic monger for click bait and to sell papers.
...
I agree with you 100%
GulfportDoc
03-11-20, 08:48 PM
That's the same Dr. Drew with right wing leanings, that constantly warns of a homeless plaque disease outbreak. Sounds hypocritical to me as he ties homeless to a potential disease plaque, while saying stupidly the coronavirus is nothing worse than the common flu. I'm sure Italy didn't lock down part of their country over the common flu.
Dr. Drew Warns Of Plague Outbreak: How The Homeless Crisis Puts Los Angeles At Risk of Norovirus, Typhus, and Rickettsial Infections (https://drdrew.com/2018/los-angeles-homelessness-norovirus-plague-warning-sanitation/)
And this is the same Dr. Drew who's CNN TV show Dr. Drew on Call was cancelled after he made false claims on a radio talk show that Hillary Clinton was gravely ill during the last presidential election.
With that in mind I personally believe he's parroting the Trump administrations Cornonavirus policy: aka 'don't worry be happy'.
Dr. Drew did not make up the statistics he quoted. They are from governmental or academic sources.
Here is a statistical source valid through today, March 11.: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Similar statistics are here: https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
If one scrolls down to look at the chart, it lists how many affected in each country, how many deaths, and how many coronavirus cases per 1 million population. The worst hit seems to be Italy, at 206 cases of the virus per million population. China's is only 56 cases per million. These numbers should not keep a sensible person up at night.
Italy also seems to have the highest death rate per cases of the virus. It's interesting that the Diamond Princess cruise ship had the lowest incidence of death per illness at 1% (7 of 696 infected), despite that they were in closed quarters. Perhaps the passengers were younger healthier individuals.
If a person wants to be informed, he's not going to get an honest appraisal from the big establishment media, because they profit from exaggeration and half-truths. One has to dig around the web a little to find out the actual statistics minus the panic incitement.
~Doc
"Trusting the media" is a straw man. Nobody here is making any argument that requires anybody trust the media uncritically.
Citizen Rules
03-11-20, 10:17 PM
Dr. Drew did not make up the statistics he quoted. They are from governmental or academic sources.
Here is a statistical source valid through today, March 11.: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Similar statistics are here: https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
If one scrolls down to look at the chart, it lists how many affected in each country, how many deaths, and how many coronavirus cases per 1 million population. The worst hit seems to be Italy, at 206 cases of the virus per million population. China's is only 56 cases per million. These numbers should not keep a sensible person up at night.
Italy also seems to have the highest death rate per cases of the virus. It's interesting that the Diamond Princess cruise ship had the lowest incidence of death per illness at 1% (7 of 696 infected), despite that they were in closed quarters. Perhaps the passengers were younger healthier individuals.
One has to dig around the web a little to find out the actual statistics minus the panic incitement.
~DocYou're missing one very important insight, as Yoda has already pointed out, we are at the very start of the coronavirus pandemic, so numbers of cases and deaths will go up and can't at this point be correlated with the common flu.
The President just suspended all flights to or from Europe for a month, in case that gives anybody intellectual permission to consider this serious.
chawhee
03-11-20, 10:23 PM
President just addressed the nation locking down Europe travel... But he oddly excluded the UK?
Mesmerized
03-11-20, 10:41 PM
President just addressed the nation locking down Europe travel... But he oddly excluded the UK?
Isn't the UK in Europe?
Mesmerized
03-11-20, 10:49 PM
The President's speech, for those who missed it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcsZjfs2cB4
cat_sidhe
03-11-20, 11:11 PM
Tom Hanks says he has it. (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/11/business/media/tom-hanks-coronavirus.amp.html)
John McClane
03-11-20, 11:28 PM
Damn, I really wanted to pretend that I could take advantage of a dirt cheap trip overseas. Guess there goes that dream.
TheUsualSuspect
03-11-20, 11:58 PM
Europe travel ban
T.Hanks and Rita Wilson confirmed.
NBA season suspended and possible NHL season suspension announcement Thursday.
Senate blocks emergency sick leave bill
I hope the travel ban to Europe doesn't occur for Canada as my Daycare Provider is currently on vacation in Scotland.
cricket
03-11-20, 11:59 PM
A couple of my fellow drivers off tomorrow after having flu like symptoms today.
TheUsualSuspect
03-12-20, 12:01 AM
The President's speech, for those who missed it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcsZjfs2cB4
Like...I know it's been years since he won the presidency...but I still have to remind myself that and am still shocked to see him in that seat. Donald Trump....President. To this day, still shocked.
Miss Vicky
03-12-20, 12:12 AM
Like...I know it's been years since he won the presidency...but I still have to remind myself that and am still shocked to see him in that seat. Donald Trump....President. To this day, still shocked.
Same.
NedStark09
03-12-20, 12:55 AM
All These Sport things didnt suspend anything during the Bird or Swine Flu. I think media is doing nothing but spreading more panic and Banning flights now is mute point if this is an air bourne issue.
Wyldesyde19
03-12-20, 01:14 AM
My brother (and roommate) just messaged me his co workers wife has coronavirus.
Brother has to get tested since he has weekly meeting with the guy. Which means I may have to get tested.
We live 90 minutes from Baltimore which has had confirmed cases already.
Not worried...yet.
Citizen Rules
03-12-20, 02:53 AM
Europe travel ban
T.Hanks and Rita Wilson confirmed.
NBA season suspended and possible NHL season suspension announcement Thursday.
Senate blocks emergency sick leave bill...All very much proof that this isn't no worse than the average flu season.
Edit: that's meant to read as sarcasm.
Citizen Rules
03-12-20, 03:06 AM
My brother (and roommate) just messaged me his co workers wife has coronavirus.
Brother has to get tested since he has weekly meeting with the guy. Which means I may have to get tested.
We live 90 minutes from Baltimore which has had confirmed cases already.
Not worried...yet.Bummer. I hope all goes well for everyone. Keep us informed.
Wyldesyde19
03-12-20, 03:09 AM
My brother (and roommate) just messaged me his co workers wife has coronavirus.
Brother has to get tested since he has weekly meeting with the guy. Which means I may have to get tested.
We live 90 minutes from Baltimore which has had confirmed cases already.
Not worried...yet.Bummer. I hope all goes well for everyone. Keep us informed.
Yeah, I’m thinking if he tests positive I’ll have to get tested. If I by some small chance test positive, well....time off work and more time to binge movies.
Citizen Rules
03-12-20, 03:15 AM
Yeah, I’m thinking if he tests positive I’ll have to get tested. If I by some small chance test positive, well....time off work and more time to binge movies.More time to binge watch movies! Being positive:) I like that.
SaraJohnson
03-12-20, 05:03 AM
This is really sad how the disease is spreading at such a high pace. It came in our country a few days back also and now people are literally in a fear. The government agencies are really at a test now. How they control the situation. After China and Italy, Iran is also suffering greatly from this disease. May God just protect us all The thing which people do not understand is that they have to take precautions themselves, but few just become careless ad start to spread it everywhere
Yesterday I was seeing some videos from the time Wuhan had been under lockdown and was literally tormented how much the people over there are suffering.
JoaoRodrigues
03-12-20, 05:04 AM
Portugal 11-03-2020 during a evacuation from Corona virus:
https://cdn3.cmjornal.pt/images/2020-03/img_432x244$2020_03_11_17_45_37_930734.jpg
That's why I love my country, we don't give a f%ck. Beach is more important anyways.
JoaoRodrigues
03-12-20, 05:26 AM
Tom Hanks & Rita Wilson Test Positive For Coronavirus
That's what I like about viruses and what everyone don't. They are arbitrary.
https://66.media.tumblr.com/9f99d455105a0295eac8cd829c0cee00/tumblr_mtsf6vXzvh1r8t240o1_400.jpg
BTW, apparently several things in Trump's speech were wrong. They clarified afterwards. I dunno if he was simply mistaken, or if it got into the speech somehow or what, but that's pretty remarkable. Choose of yourself which explanation is the most disturbing, but it sent futures plunging temporarily. Ridiculous errors.
61306
Oh no the Vice President is part of the panic-mongering media:
https://twitter.com/TODAYshow/status/1238059983444508673
TheUsualSuspect
03-12-20, 09:25 AM
Europe travel ban
T.Hanks and Rita Wilson confirmed.
NBA season suspended and possible NHL season suspension announcement Thursday.
Senate blocks emergency sick leave bill...All very much proof that this isn't no worse than the average flu season.
Banning flights to continents and cancelling sports seasons is average?
Alrighty.
Yeah, I’m thinking if he tests positive I’ll have to get tested. If I by some small chance test positive, well....time off work and more time to binge movies.More time to binge watch movies! Being positive:) I like that.
Be positive! But. Not like. With your test results. ;)
chawhee
03-12-20, 09:56 AM
Seeing studies show that incubation period seems to be averaging around 5 days. So a bit longer than the seasonal flu, but thankfully shorter than the 10+ day estimate that was the higher bound.
Fear of coronavirus makes Indian greeting with folded hands ( namaste ) popular with even prince Charles greeting people with namaste rather than shaking hands
https://youtu.be/usBfrW6yLs8
John McClane
03-12-20, 10:18 AM
Oh no the Vice President is part of the panic-mongering media:
https://twitter.com/TODAYshow/status/1238059983444508673
Well, to be fair, anytime he's on TV I panic.
Mesmerized
03-12-20, 10:45 AM
BTW, apparently several things in Trump's speech were wrong. They clarified afterwards. I dunno if he was simply mistaken, or if it got into the speech somehow or what, but that's pretty remarkable. Choose of yourself which explanation is the most disturbing, but it sent futures plunging temporarily. Ridiculous errors.
61306
He made no mention of the UK in his speech. Someone else pointed that out.
I found the complete speech on YouTube for those who haven't seen it or who may want to watch it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I09RkjLcFpU
NedStark09
03-12-20, 10:49 AM
A Majority people getting infected are in California in the USA. Tom Hanks goes to allot talk shows and is doing movies all the time. Could get a virus or cold anywhere.
NedStark09
03-12-20, 10:52 AM
More scary to me that no one is more worried about is that if Trump gets the Virus Pence would be our president or if Trump would be Impeached.
He made no mention of the UK in his speech.
Yeah, there are effectively three conflicting messages here. There's the speech itself (which says we're restricting trade, for example) there's what The White House is putting out (mentioning the UK when the speech didn't), and there's the correction of the speech the next day (we're not restricting speech and a number of people are exempt anyway). Any way it's sliced, though, the speech contains a number of things that aren't true and had to be corrected just afterwards.
Pretty bizarre. Seems chaotic up there right now.
Mesmerized
03-12-20, 11:14 AM
Yeah, there are effectively three conflicting messages here. There's the speech itself (which says we're restricting trade, for example) there's what The White House is putting out (mentioning the UK when the speech didn't), and there's the correction of the speech the next day (we're not restricting speech and a number of people are exempt anyway). Any way it's sliced, though, the speech contains a number of things that aren't true and had to be corrected just afterwards.
Pretty bizarre. Seems chaotic up there right now.
Probably a rushed speech. Everybody it seems is under pressure because of this virus.
TheUsualSuspect
03-12-20, 11:43 AM
The set of Riverdale shut down. This affects my company's Vancouver office. Possibly looking at industry shut down if it spreads. Looks like I better start saving some money.
Yeah, putting lethality aside, the effect on lots of industries and business in general is gonna be rough.
gandalf26
03-12-20, 11:49 AM
I'm so glad that I've a nice savings pot. However there's such a huge % of the population who go paycheck to paycheck.
TheUsualSuspect
03-12-20, 12:44 PM
A Quiet Place 2 delayed as well.
Mesmerized
03-12-20, 12:53 PM
The virus is frightening to a lot of people because it's new, but it will end soon. The world survived the Black Death, the AIDS virus, and the E. Coli bacteria and it will survive this.
Citizen Rules
03-12-20, 12:58 PM
Originally Posted by TheUsualSuspect (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?p=2072085#post2072085)
Europe travel ban
T.Hanks and Rita Wilson confirmed.
NBA season suspended and possible NHL season suspension announcement Thursday.
Senate blocks emergency sick leave bill... Originally Posted by Citizen Rules (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?p=2072114#post2072114)
All very much proof that this isn't no worse than the average flu season.Banning flights to continents and cancelling sports seasons is average?
Alrighty.I was using sarcasm to make a point that those like Dr Drew who think the coronavirus is no worse than the flu are way off mark. I think this all is very serious.
RoystenCrow
03-12-20, 01:00 PM
I'm in the Seattle area. Loving the virus. I can sleep in a little and not get caught in traffic. With Microsoft, Amazon, Facebook, REI all working from home, this place is like a city with a sensible sized population.
For actual facts, I liked Michael Osterholm on Joe Rogan because maybe listening to an internationally recognized expert in infectious disease epidemiology is likely to give you more truth than what CNN, Fox, or the White House arecranking out.
Chypmunk
03-12-20, 01:02 PM
A Quiet Place 2 delayed as well.
This saddens me, if ever a title was gonna be more socially apt......if anything they ought to be rushing it through :)
Miss Vicky
03-12-20, 01:05 PM
More scary to me that no one is more worried about is that if Trump gets the Virus Pence would be our president or if Trump would be Impeached.
a) That's assuming that the virus kills Trump. I don't think we'd be that lucky. As for impeachment, he already got impeached and was found not guilty. It's unlikely that he'd be impeached again, and even if he was impeached again, it's highly unlikely that he'd be removed from office.
b) Pence would only be President until the end of what would have been Trump's term. Considering his term ends this year, that's not very long unless Pence won the November election or Trump wins the re-election and gets sick after that.
JoaoRodrigues
03-12-20, 01:13 PM
a) That's assuming that the virus kills Trump. I don't think we'd be that lucky.
The virus is arbitrary, doesn't care who the hell you are.
That's the fun part.
Miss Vicky
03-12-20, 01:14 PM
The virus is arbitrary, doesn't care who the hell you are.
That's the fun part.
Yes, but the majority of the people who catch it don't die. So, again, even if he caught the virus there's no guarantee that it would kill him or incapacitate him to the point of Pence taking over.
https://twitter.com/mviser/status/1238135134794194944
Yeah, that's how this stuff works: it doesn't spread fast until it does.
TheUsualSuspect
03-12-20, 01:34 PM
More movies getting delayed. Fast 9 and Love Birds.
People better pick up a hobby and fast.
Chypmunk
03-12-20, 01:37 PM
Slow and Lethargic 9
Has a certain ring to it I think.
Citizen Rules
03-12-20, 01:39 PM
Princess Cruise Line just announced that they are suspending global operations for their 18 ships for the next 2 months.
Please refrain from wishing death on public figures, guys. I'm going to have to remove anything further in that general vein.
GulfportDoc
03-12-20, 02:34 PM
The virus is frightening to a lot of people because it's new, but it will end soon. The world survived the Black Death, the AIDS virus, and the E. Coli bacteria and it will survive this.
That's true, and I can recall 3 or 4 other epidemics over the decades in the U.S. which were going to "kill millions", but turned out to be nothing extraordinary.
One interesting sidebar to the coronavirus epidemic is how many people will survive or be uninfected without a vaccine being available, and to compare that to regular flu virus seasons where a large percentage have been vaccinated against it.
The CDC (Centers for Disease Control) states the following: "CDC estimates that influenza has resulted in between 9 million – 45 million illnesses, between 140,000 – 810,000 hospitalizations and between 12,000 – 61,000 deaths annually since 2010." Now, I don't believe those figures because of the CDC's methodology. They admit that they don't actually know. From their website: "Most people who die from seasonal flu-related complications are not tested for flu, or they seek medical care later in their illness when seasonal influenza can no longer be detected from respiratory samples."
When one sees the estimated typical number of deaths from virulent flu virus, and compares it to the statistics available for the coronavirus, the current threat may not even eventually rise to that level. And it certainly doesn't justify the high level of panic and disruption that it's getting.
Naturally those of us in high risk groups --the elderly frail, those immunocompromised, those who are already sick with some other disease-- should be cautious: wash/sanitize hands, avoid sick individuals, etc, just like during regular flu season. Some of us (like I) should avoid large crowds, or even limit exposure to certain other people.
~Doc
https://m.timesofindia.com/world/us/trump-now-makes-the-case-for-namaste-in-the-time-of-coronavirus/articleshow/74600561.cms?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=TOI&utm_content=om-bm
Trump also endorses the namaste gesture.
Predictably we've moved the goalposts from "this is no worse than the flu" to "well, it's not as bad as Some People Are Saying," now that Trump and Pence are explicitly contradicting the former.
That's true, and I can recall 3 or 4 other epidemics over the decades in the U.S. which were going to "kill millions", but turned out to be nothing extraordinary.
The logic here is fundamentally flawed, for reasons I noted earlier but got no response to:
That's the catch-22 of warnings about disease: you can say it's overblown, but how would you know the difference between "overblown because it was never a big deal" and "overblown because the worry actually got people to take it seriously, so it didn't spread as much"?
NedStark09
03-12-20, 03:30 PM
I think its too later to ban flights and ships really. Also if its air born. It will get to everywhere. I think Corona is active with certain blood types. Cause not all who have it die. Thankfully out of 400 plus cases in the USA only handful campared die. I hate how the news give no people hope.
This will end like all other flu's because human mind can create any vaccine. This whole thing prooved to me people are dangerous still and a real epidemic where thousands die in the streets would have such a bloody panic. The civilzation would implode on itself. This is what its like when people believe in science and no greater power or god. Preyor does work but only if believe in it.
Mesmerized
03-12-20, 03:31 PM
Predictably we've moved the goalposts from "this is no worse than the flu" to "well, it's not as bad as Some People Are Saying," now that Trump and Pence are explicitly contradicting the former.
The logic here is fundamentally flawed, for reasons I noted earlier but got no response to:
That's the catch-22 of warnings about disease: you can say it's overblown, but how would you know the difference between "overblown because it was never a big deal" and "overblown because the worry actually got people to take it seriously, so it didn't spread as much"?
Well, it's definitely something to take seriously for the time being as it's only logical to take precautions against the unknown. Only time will tell just how deadly this virus is.
Wyldesyde19
03-12-20, 03:34 PM
The people who don’t take this seriously are the same people who risk getting infected and spreading it further, risking literal lives in the process. These same people somehow become experts in the field after reading a few online articles about it.
Stop acting like this isn’t a big deal and take it seriously. It isn’t worth the risk.
Mesmerized
03-12-20, 03:34 PM
Mike Pence denies 'confusion' in administration after Trump's announcement of European travel ban
https://www.foxnews.com/media/mike-pence-denies-confusion-over-aspects-of-european-travel-ban
John McClane
03-12-20, 03:45 PM
Well, our university just made the decision to go online classes after spring break.
NedStark09
03-12-20, 03:45 PM
UK is most of the Europe Travel because it would include England, Ireland and Scottland.
Chypmunk
03-12-20, 03:47 PM
:facepalm:
NedStark09
03-12-20, 03:48 PM
Im not as sacred probably because I dont go anywhere. Wont go on a Plane or Boat. A Afraid of High Places thus plane travel and i have great Motion Sickness so not a Boat person. I do realize it can be now in public places. But I just think it will pass in time as all bad things do.
NedStark09
03-12-20, 03:50 PM
:facepalm:
Thus the point Trumps comment was misleading and silly. And dont make hand gesture thinking your smarter then me because think im stupid because my grammer sucks
Chypmunk
03-12-20, 03:53 PM
Thus the point Trumps comment was misleading and silly. And dont make hand gesture thinking your smarter then me because think im stupid because my grammer sucks
Has nothing to do with your poor grammar.
Mr Minio
03-12-20, 03:55 PM
:facepalm: By touching your face with your hand you increase the possibility of contracting Coronavirus.
CaptainT
03-12-20, 03:57 PM
UK is most of the Europe Travel because it would include England, Ireland and Scottland.
I have no clue how the fact that the UK includes England, Ireland and Scottland leads you to think that the UK makes up for most of European travel. ~65 million people live in the UK and ~740 million in Europe in total.
Citizen Rules
03-12-20, 04:55 PM
Had to order some toilet paper online from Amazon as the stores don't have any, as we were ordering it, the page would refresh saying out of stock. We ended up getting some but it won't be delivered until April. I just won't eat until then:p
NedStark09
03-12-20, 05:00 PM
Why would you order toilet paper online from unknown wharehouse
Miss Vicky
03-12-20, 05:03 PM
Why would you order toilet paper online from unknown wharehouse
He did it because:
Had to order some toilet paper online from Amazon as the stores don't have any
Also, you do realize that dry goods that are sold in stores are kept in "unknown warehouses" before being shipped to the store, right?
NedStark09
03-12-20, 05:07 PM
I have no clue how the fact that the UK includes England, Ireland and Scottland leads you to think that the UK makes up for most of European travel. ~65 million people live in the UK and ~740 million in Europe in total.
My point was that UK is a chunk of the Europe area and it should be all or why even do it.
UK is no less a danger then France are they. UK and France has the virus in it.
UK is what the United Kingdom became after England Conquored Ireland and Scottland. Im just agreeing Trump mess up wasnt good.
NedStark09
03-12-20, 05:12 PM
He did it because:
Also, you do realize that dry goods that are sold in stores are kept in "unknown warehouses" before being shipped to the store, right?
Well Ordering it usually means it will take no less then 2 days to get to your house. Unless he is rich and can pay over night
I of course realize walmart has a back and there stuff comes from wherehouses. Point was any shipping can be a carrier now. Kinda a no win. So the whole town he was in no T Paper. No Go Mart or 7 Eleven
Best argument I heard was that the UK has its own border controls, whereas the rest of Europe is essentially one open and continuous place containing 26 different countries that does not require passports to move between, so in terms of containment there's a lot less trust required when opening to just that one place.
I'm not saying it makes sense, just that there's some kind of qualitative reason there to possibly make an exception. I'm pretty sure this is still shutting the barn door after the horse has run off, though.
Good, simple chart comparing symptoms so you know what to look for:
https://twitter.com/nichcarlson/status/1238192757086265344
Miss Vicky
03-12-20, 05:17 PM
I of course realize walmart has a back and there stuff comes from wherehouses. Point was any shipping can be a carrier now. Kinda a no win. So the whole town he was in no T Paper. No Go Mart or 7 Eleven
People are stockpiling it and there have been huge shortages.
Also, I'd be far more comfortable using a product that had been handled by factory workers, warehouse workers, and couriers/drivers than using a product that was handled by factory workers, warehouse workers, couriers/drive AND the general public.
Citizen Rules
03-12-20, 05:18 PM
He did it because:
Also, you do realize that dry goods that are sold in stores are kept in "unknown warehouses" before being shipped to the store, right? No I didn't know that. My wife did the order, but we've never bought much off of Amazon before.
Oh, I made a mistake in my last post, we were able to order TP from Amazon that is coming in a matter of days. It was another brand that was going to be in April. Though we had to pay a lot! I'm not stock piling, but locally it's hard to find.
Miss Vicky
03-12-20, 05:20 PM
No I didn't know that. My wife did the order, but we've never bought much off of Amazon before.
That was actually directed at Ned, but you learn something new everyday I guess.
NedStark09
03-12-20, 05:25 PM
Well Our Area Isnt Out Of T Paper but then again we always buy 2 months ahead when do
NedStark09
03-12-20, 05:27 PM
Learned that when this area had those microburst storms and tornados and Gas was in short supply and only 2 gas stations had toilet paper
Miss Vicky
03-12-20, 05:27 PM
Well Our Area Isnt Out Of T Paper but then again we always buy 2 months ahead when do
Have you shopped for toilet paper recently or are you just assuming that your local stores have it?
Chypmunk
03-12-20, 05:31 PM
Best argument I heard was that the UK has its own border controls, whereas the rest of Europe is essentially one open and continuous place containing 26 different countries that does not require passports to move between, so in terms of containment there's a lot less trust required when opening to just that one place.
I'm not saying it makes sense, just that there's some kind of qualitative reason there to possibly make an exception. I'm pretty sure this is still shutting the barn door after the horse has run off, though.
Almost exactly this.
Just to point out that the UK comprises of England, Wales, Scotland & Northern Ireland (for those that seem to not know). The Republic of Ireland is NOT part of the UK. Neither the UK nor Ireland (read Republic of) are signed up to the Schengen Treaty which is the 'border free' agreement across much of Europe.
John McClane
03-12-20, 05:33 PM
Well, it's now socially acceptable to be addicted to online gaming. Betcha there are a bunch of pastey kids getting praised by their parents now for being responsible.
Miss Vicky
03-12-20, 05:50 PM
On the subject:
One of my Facebook friends just posted letting people know that our local Costco has toilet paper. I was in Walgreen's earlier today and overheard someone on their cell phone talking about how much trouble they were having finding some.
Think I may look into getting a bidet.
https://twitter.com/rodger/status/1238137110978150400
Mesmerized
03-12-20, 06:15 PM
NCAA tournaments canceled over coronavirus
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/28893285/ncaa-tournaments-canceled-coronavirus
Miss Vicky
03-12-20, 06:32 PM
Disneyland and California Adventure are closing. (https://twitter.com/DisneylandToday?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor)
https://www.facebook.com/100003340269924/posts/2809958409125474/?app=fbl
I couldnt have said it better. Agree 100%.
Wyldesyde19
03-12-20, 07:08 PM
Brother contacted me on update:
His co worker apparently panicked and assumed his wife had Coronavirus, found out she doesn’t. Brother has now lectured the guy about being irresponsible and panicking his office with false statements And misinformation.
https://twitter.com/neontaster/status/1238225871988719616
John McClane
03-12-20, 07:12 PM
Toilet paper makes no sense. It’s a cough. Not the trots.
Mesmerized
03-12-20, 07:30 PM
Toilet paper makes no sense. It’s a cough. Not the trots.
I was thinking the same thing. Why toilet paper? Is the virus causing people to crap more?
It's in case they can't leave the house for awhile.
Wyldesyde19
03-12-20, 07:48 PM
Pretty much as Yoda said. Stocking up
Captain Steel
03-12-20, 08:01 PM
I just got back from the supermarket (just the weekly supplies for family) - it was like "Doomsday Preppers!"
So crowded you could barely move, checkout lines extended down into the aisles, all the weekly sales were sold out, every worker in the store looked like they had combat fatigue, various shelves were completely empty, store u-boats all over as workers could not stock shelves fast enough, not a roll of toilet paper in the entire store.
I've only ever seen it like this before announcements of major storms.
One worker told me they're thinking of shutting the store down temporarily or closing early because they can't handle the crowds vs. the inventory and they can't get enough workers to work (as any with the slightest sniffle have called out sick).
I haven't read this thread yet, but I'm assuming that mention's been made of Tom Hanks and his wife having the virus (since this is the Movie Forums)! :)
Mesmerized
03-12-20, 08:12 PM
It's in case they can't leave the house for awhile.
I don't see that happening unless the president declares martial law.
Oh, I don't mean "not allowed." I mean they won't want to or have much reason to.
John McClane
03-12-20, 08:23 PM
Let’s hope those fools didn’t catch Coronavirus stocking up on their poo paper.
Wyldesyde19
03-12-20, 08:30 PM
I mean, it would suck to get caught with your pants down as a result of being unprepared 😜
NedStark09
03-12-20, 09:05 PM
Have you shopped for toilet paper recently or are you just assuming that your local stores have it?
Well you just get toilet paper and washing detergeant and dish soap and trash bags every month weither your out or not on a fixed income.
NedStark09
03-12-20, 09:07 PM
And Yes I was at my walmart yesterday and there was toilet paper and paper towels
Austruck
03-12-20, 09:24 PM
A Majority people getting infected are in California in the USA. Tom Hanks goes to allot talk shows and is doing movies all the time. Could get a virus or cold anywhere.
He and his wife are currently in Australia. :)
Austruck
03-12-20, 09:28 PM
Toilet paper makes no sense. It’s a cough. Not the trots.
It's the idea that folks might need to self-quarantine for weeks on end. Apparently a lot of people do not keep large amounts of toilet paper in their houses. We tend to buy paper products in bulk (toilet paper, tissues, paper towels), so we're fine here. But other people only have a few rolls in their house at any given time ... and therefore would not be ready to be stuck at home for two weeks or more. :)
Austruck
03-12-20, 09:34 PM
A trip to my small town Foodland yesterday was business as usual. Nothing amiss. No extra customers. Shelves stocked. And on Monday a new Arby's opened up near my house too, our town's first/only drive-thru food place. Lines have been out the door, and the drive-thru wait time has been at least 20 minutes any time I've gone by. You'd think nobody here had ever eaten at an Arby's before.
They must be giving out rolls of Charmin in their kids' meals. :D
John McClane
03-12-20, 10:06 PM
Toilet paper makes no sense. It’s a cough. Not the trots.
It's the idea that folks might need to self-quarantine for weeks on end. Apparently a lot of people do not keep large amounts of toilet paper in their houses. We tend to buy paper products in bulk (toilet paper, tissues, paper towels), so we're fine here. But other people only have a few rolls in their house at any given time ... and therefore would not be ready to be stuck at home for two weeks or more. :)I understand the “logic” but I certainly don’t agree with it.
Mesmerized
03-12-20, 10:15 PM
Oh, I don't mean "not allowed." I mean they won't want to or have much reason to.
That's entirely possible. A great fear of the virus is sweeping the world and it may keep people from enjoying life.
Citizen Rules
03-12-20, 10:35 PM
That's entirely possible. A great fear of the virus is sweeping the world and it may keep people from enjoying life. I'm having home made chocolate chip cookies in a few minutes, to me that's enjoying life:)
Miss Vicky
03-12-20, 11:10 PM
Monterey Bay Aquarium announced today that they'll be closed until at least the 27th. Guess where my friends and I were planning to go this weekend?
NedStark09
03-12-20, 11:52 PM
Point being actors travel allot and Any place over seas is a risk long time ago. But Actors are doing a job like anyone else who works over seas. US soldiers stationed all over the world are at risk really as well.
NedStark09
03-12-20, 11:53 PM
I'm having home made chocolate chip cookies in a few minutes, to me that's enjoying life:)
Nothing like home made cookies or hot betty crocker oven Brownies
NedStark09
03-13-20, 12:30 AM
I said this good luck Prayer for all the people who visit this site so no one will get the Corona virus
http://ourfatherprayer.org/prayers-for-good-luck-and-fortune/
Austruck
03-13-20, 02:09 AM
I understand the “logic” but I certainly don’t agree with it.
Oh, me neither. We always buy paper products in bulk, so we are well stocked with TP, tissues, paper towels, antibacterial wipes, etc. Always have that stuff on hand here. And plenty of hand soap.
The tougher part is, of course, items such as fresh produce and dairy items that don't freeze well. But hey... we'll make things work here. Our small town grocery store was perfectly normal yesterday so I am encouraged.
Chypmunk
03-13-20, 02:10 AM
They must be giving out rolls of Charmin in their kids' meals. :D
Now that really is a charmin' idea, though 'with' would be far, far better than 'in' imo :D
Austruck
03-13-20, 02:11 AM
Now that really is a charmin' idea, though 'with' would be far, far better than 'in' :D
I was picturing the little boxes they typically put kids' meals in -- and that usually includes tossing in the toy. :D
Chypmunk
03-13-20, 02:13 AM
I was picturing the little boxes they typically put kids' meals in -- and that usually includes tossing in the toy. :D
And now you've got me picturing things I'd really rather not picture at this time of the morning .... or any time at all come to think of it (pun intended) :( :D
Powdered Water
03-13-20, 02:37 AM
Damn, I gotta buy some tp. Hope there's some left! Maybe some of you have seen this. This guy is the real deal and breaks it down pretty well. Wish there was more of this floating around.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZFhjMQrVts
Citizen Rules
03-13-20, 02:45 AM
I said this good luck Prayer for all the people who visit this site so no one will get the Corona virus
http://ourfatherprayer.org/prayers-for-good-luck-and-fortune/Thank you Ned:)
WrinkledMind
03-13-20, 03:37 AM
People here are genuinely amused at the toilet paper thing happening in the west. I mean, we understand the reason which is stockpiling, but still.
PS: We wash, don't wipe 😊. Always have.
NedStark09
03-13-20, 04:29 AM
Our Walmart was out of T Paper and Sugar and Flour. But The Doller General Store was fully stocked. We didnt need toilet paper was there for Milk Bread and Butter. But got T paper and sugar anyways.
NedStark09
03-13-20, 04:33 AM
Crazy how walmart sold out in a day here. I think Im most confused that people are panicing so much. From Gov down to people. I mean I dont recall but did things like this happen with Bird or Swine flu and I believe more people died from those in the USA. I think our biggest issue is Trump is our symbol of peace and strength and people dont think he can prevent or handle any crisis.
CaptainT
03-13-20, 07:23 AM
Well, My university has closed down until at least the 31st of march and so have all sports clubs and things like that in the entire country. For now, everyone can just keep up with their courses themselves, but if the university can't open for the exams that we have in 5 weeks things might get a lot more problematic. I guess I won't leave the house too much over the next few weeks... At least there should be plenty of time to watch films :p
John McClane
03-13-20, 09:07 AM
Our local store was clean out of garlic and onions. I suppose that’s one way to keep people away from you.
TheUsualSuspect
03-13-20, 09:18 AM
See, the Jason Mamoa show we work on was just shut down. Uh oh.
Oof. Sorry to hear that. Hang in there man.
cricket
03-13-20, 10:50 AM
Insanity! Stopped at Shaws while working for my wife's bread. Newburyport is a tourist town about 35 minutes north of Boston, 8:15am on a workday, off-season. Express line closed and line for other registers went all the way to the side of the store then all the way to the back and around. Well over an hour wait in line. How could you even buy ice cream?
Talked to a guy who owns a small liquor store I deliver to. Business is great, but he's lost over 200K from his retirement funds in the last 3 weeks.
Chypmunk
03-13-20, 11:04 AM
*sigh* Have come down with a cough and a tightening across the chest so am having to 'self-isolate'. At least the wife is working from home these days so I'll have company - 'cos if I have it, it's highly likely she already does too by now. Felt fine until yesterday evening :(
Take care of yourself, Chyp!
Yeah, play it safe, Chyp. Hope you feel better soon.
Thank goodness we have the tremendous timesink of the Internet. ;) I got an email from our DNS provider talking about how traffic has gone way up in highly affected areas.
Chypmunk
03-13-20, 11:18 AM
It might end up being a close call between whether the virus kills me or the missus does :eek:
Trying to decide whether or not to send in an early Westerns list now :D
John McClane
03-13-20, 11:26 AM
My work demands have gone through the roof because of corona. So I'm hoping for some unseasonably warm weather. Bring on the global warming, baby!
Mesmerized
03-13-20, 12:37 PM
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At this point if you don't cancel an upcoming event you need a pretty good reason, because it's sure gonna stick out.
Clearly smart to basically just push this stuff back 2-4 weeks and see where we are. Makes it much more likely we'll be able to get back to normal sooner.
Mesmerized
03-13-20, 01:04 PM
At this point if you don't cancel an upcoming event you need a pretty good reason, because it's sure gonna stick out.
Clearly smart to basically just push this stuff back 2-4 weeks and see where we are. Makes it much more likely we'll be able to get back to normal sooner.
I hope so soon. It's a depressing situation. The news is populated with this mess.
According to worldometer, there have been 41 deaths in the U.S., so far.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
Citizen Rules
03-13-20, 02:32 PM
Insanity! Stopped at Shaws while working for my wife's bread. Newburyport is a tourist town about 35 minutes north of Boston, 8:15am on a workday, off-season. Express line closed and line for other registers went all the way to the side of the store then all the way to the back and around. Well over an hour wait in line. How could you even buy ice cream? I think that's the difference between grocery shopping on the 12th, and grocery shopping on the 11th or before. By the morning of the 12th a pandemic had been officially announced by WHO and Trump banned European flights to U.S. and Tom Hanks and Rita Wilson announced they had the cornonavirus...that all happened on the 11th and ramped up the fear.
I was thinking of going to the grocery store today for a few things, but I'm not wanting to stand in line for an hour or more!
Citizen Rules
03-13-20, 02:51 PM
Well we decided to go the grocery store after all. It is snowing, which hopefully will keep the crowds away. I'll report back on my journey:p
Nausicaä
03-13-20, 02:59 PM
I wish this whole horrible thing will just end as quickly as possible. Usually I wouldn't be so worried but I'm a full time carer to an elderly relative now who has heart problems, so stressed right now that they might get the virus off someone(need other carers, physios, doctors coming in to the house) or even me.
So if one of us gets it she will probably have to go into hospital and for me to self isolate in the house and not be with them for a few weeks...
She use to work as a nurse and keeps telling me to stop worrying and that she will be fine if she catches it...
Sigh... :(
I know the majority who catch it are fine and have had worse colds and so on but it's still worrying. Hope all are well and this ends.
John McClane
03-13-20, 03:02 PM
I'm still planning on visiting DC on the 21st. I'll be looking forward to no crowds.
Stirchley
03-13-20, 03:19 PM
President just addressed the nation locking down Europe travel... But he oddly excluded the UK?
Pathetic, I know, but his remark made me proud to be British. (Don’t take this remark seriously.)
Isn't the UK in Europe?
Last time I was there, it was.
The virus is frightening to a lot of people because it's new, but it will end soon. The world survived the Black Death, the AIDS virus, and the E. Coli bacteria and it will survive this.
Depends on your definition of “soon.”
UK is most of the Europe Travel because it would include England, Ireland and Scottland.
Don’t forget Wales. Though we do usually forget them.
UK is what the United Kingdom became after England Conquored Ireland and Scottland.
I wonder if they know this in Scotland?
Best argument I heard was that the UK has its own border controls,
Shaky IMO. My nephew returned to England from skiing in Northern Italy. Walked right through Manchester Airport without anyone stopping him. And he then went off for a 2-week trip to London.
It is snowing, which hopefully will keep the crowds away.
Snow? What’s that? Snowed once in CT this year on January 18. Amazing.
Well we decided to go the grocery store after all. It is snowing, which hopefully will keep the crowds away. I'll report back on my journey:p
I work at a grocery store, worked last night, and the shelves were EMPTY with all seven of our cashier lanes open... it was pretty awful :/
Mesmerized
03-13-20, 03:34 PM
Depends on your definition of “soon.”
Oh, within the next hundred years or so, give or take a decade.
Started coughing last night so my mind immediately thought the worst. I have a Dr appointment on Monday anyway for unrelated issues so unless it gets really bad I will just tell them about it then. So far here in the panhandle of Florida there does not seem to be much panic. Sure Walmart was out of TP and a few other things, but no one was upset or agitated like when things run out during hurricane season.
There was some guy buying up all the Kleenex saying it works just as good as TP. I understand the stockpile thing in case this keeps us all at home for a long period, but I just bought an extra case of bottled water and got a normal amount of TP at a fully stocked dollar General down the road from the house.
My wife works in mortgage as an underwriter at Navy Federal and due to interest rates she has been very busy. There is talk about telework, but they are not equipped for that at the scale needed.
In the long run I expect things to get back to normal but I cant help and try to take advantage of the situation in places I can. Watching stock market to see when best time to buy low will be. Spending time with family I normally would not due to them working. Getting things done around the house because there isn't anything else productive to do. Definitely going to catch up on movies and TV shows I am behind on.
I wish there was a way for me to help other veterans and the homeless but not sure how to do that without it being a big risk all around.
Everyone stay as safe as possible and wash those hands :).
TheUsualSuspect
03-13-20, 03:47 PM
All of our shows are being put on hiatus. We are going to week on / week off work schedules.
Mesmerized
03-13-20, 03:51 PM
I wish there was a way for me to help other veterans and the homeless but not sure how to do that without it being a big risk all around.
Prayers.
John McClane
03-13-20, 03:52 PM
State of VA just closed all public k-12 schools for 2 weeks.
Stirchley
03-13-20, 03:53 PM
I wish there was a way for me to help other veterans and the homeless but not sure how to do that without it being a big risk all around.
I volunteer at a weekly church food pantry, which is in a basement. We decided next week to move it outside. But now there is talk of closing down. This would be awful for people who either have no food stamps or only the minimum ($15 per month). Yesterday we had 161 people come through in 2 hours. I sincerely hope we stay open since this pandemic could last all year IMO.
NedStark09
03-13-20, 04:06 PM
Not sure what Garlic and Onions do but make you taste better for the zombie apocolypse that will never come.
Mesmerized
03-13-20, 04:11 PM
State of VA just closed all public k-12 schools for 2 weeks.
I heard they're doing that in Maryland too. Children who live in ignorant bliss are thrilled.
Not sure what Garlic and Onions do but make you taste better for the zombie apocolypse that will never come.
My aunt always said to eat lots of garlic. She said it keeps you healthy. She lived to 99 years old so hey who knows?
WrinkledMind
03-13-20, 04:19 PM
Your aunt is right, 7thson . Garlic helps to prevent cold or cold like diseases, and is known as a blood purifier, because it lowers cholesterol and blood pressure.
Another good ingredient in these times is Turmeric. We here use it regularly to fight sore throats or even apply it on wounds because it's antiseptic.
What you can do is add a teaspoon of Turmeric powder in warm milk along with a bit of sugar. Drink it before bedtime. It will cure your colds and sore throat. If you have heat issues in your body then it will also work wonders against it. And it tastes really nice with warm milk and sugar.
NedStark09
03-13-20, 04:22 PM
My Grandmother Ate Bacon or Sausage every morning for breakfast and lived to be 98 and My Other Grandma Raised Hog Meat but she canned all things for a living and lived to be 96. My 98 grandma unfortunately didnt know who anyone was the last 11 years of her life and 96 died from 5 strokes. But She hadnt canned or ate any pork when she had her Strokes because of sugar.
NedStark09
03-13-20, 04:23 PM
I learned ages ago if have clogged sinus Chili or Hot spice help with that.
John McClane
03-13-20, 04:36 PM
I just figure if you smell like garlic people gunna stay away. :rotfl:
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