Coronavirus

[NedStark09]

What is wrong with people is people being rude and just cant be friendly to other people. I called a local grocery store to see if they had couple things Walmart didn't and the women hanged up on me and said she was to busy to look and see on the store items sheet. I didn't wanna make the trip if didn't have items i needed. Also a person working at a store should know if have certain things in.

[Yoda]

How can she when they're flying off the shelves? She's probably the busiest and most stressed she's ever been in her life.

[John McClane]

Russia actively shuts down dissent, and large groups of people is not the Russian way. Ever since that October fiasco.

I wonder if that explains why corona hasn’t hit them as hard.

[Yoda]

I've been checking Prime Now (Amazon + Whole Foods delivery) off and on, and there hadn't been any delivery slots at all, until last night. Happened to check and they had one between 9:00 and 11:00 PM. I jumped on it as a chance to get eggs, but didn't find any when searching...then I just browsed by category and there they were! Snatched up three dozen and a handful of other things, and sure enough they were on our porch that night.

Big relief, other than toilet paper I'd say eggs were one of the earlier bottlenecks in running out of "normal" day-to-day supplies. I think at this point, as long as we've got running water, we could go 2-3 weeks without being too uncomfortable.

[Yoda]

Also hearing lots of individual stores about toilet paper restocking. Still goes fast, but it's not just out. If they keep trying to produce it fast enough at a certain point it probably won't go crazy fast any more, either. Hopefully we'll be fine until then.

[The Rodent]

Also hearing lots of individual stores about toilet paper restocking. Still goes fast, but it's not just out. If they keep trying to produce it fast enough at a certain point it probably won't go crazy fast any more, either. Hopefully we'll be fine until then.




I got a friend who works at the factory where they make the industrial rolls used in public toilets and restaurants etc.


He's popping over to mine on Monday. Reckons he's got enough to last me till 2021 :laugh:


Will post photos when they get here.

[Chypmunk]

All round to Rodent's for a dump ;)

[Yoda]

With flights plummeting in demand, flying to Rodent's might be the same cost as a few rolls for the next week or so. :laugh:

[The Rodent]

The clear air gained from the lack of travel, and there's one small strip of pollution headed directly to my place...

[NedStark09]

Oh I garantee you Yoda the person I called is always like that. I know someone who works in meat there. Her busy time as she calls it is checking out a person with 3 things and then going on break and someone else has to check out the next 4 until she is done with her cigeratte break. The men are the nice registure as our Shop and Save store

[Yoda]

Whether or not she's always like that is immaterial as to whether or not you should expect friendly customer service now. And it certainly isn't important. Let's extend a little social grace to things like curt phone calls, particularly for the people still dealing with the public right now.

[7thson]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but here are a couple of articles that I found about New Orleans:

Latest coronavirus headlines in Louisiana: 537 COVID-19 cases in state; 326 in New Orleans (https://www.wdsu.com/article/latest-coronavirus-headlines-in-louisiana-479-covid-19-cases-in-state-299-in-new-orleans/31811201)

New Orleans Mayor: ‘Stay Home’ order after 14 deaths, 537 cases of COVID-19 in state (https://www.fox8live.com/2020/03/20/deaths-cases-covid-reported-louisiana/)

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Not too surprising I suppose.

https://bigeasymagazine.b-cdn.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/IMG_1249.jpg

We were at this exact spot with thousands of people milling around not just 2 weeks ago.

A couple of things I have found out as the learning curve of this thing plays out:

The best spots to buy food (here anyway) are the members clubs - SAMS and BJs. I know not everyone can be a member but if you even know someone who is it can help out. There were no basic food items I could not get , even today they are stocked. I cannot personally go because of quarantine, but family and friends let me know they are well stocked.

As almost with any major tragedy/disaster it brings the best and worst out of people. Be careful out there and help your fellow citizens in anyway you can. Many of them are just scared and react differently then normal. Just telling a cashier or a medical staff member or whomever is working in public that you appreciate them goes a long way into making their day better and it takes so little effort.

[7thson]

These pictures of empty roadways makes me think that

" Now is the time to do all the road construction!!!!"

[NedStark09]

China disinfected the streets as well as other things

[NedStark09]

Whether or not she's always like that is immaterial as to whether or not you should expect friendly customer service now. And it certainly isn't important. Let's extend a little social grace to things like curt phone calls, particularly for the people still dealing with the public right now.
Your either meant to be in a job with people or your not. Stress in crisis tells your boss if right for the job. Trust me when say people in my towns Stores are not very nice people on normal days.

[Yoda]

Again, whether they're nice on normal days is totally irrelevant to what you should expect from someone today. Today it doesn't matter.

I think this stuff is, like a lot of the stream-of-consciousness stuff, maybe a bit of externalized anxiety or frustration. Believe me, I can sympathize with that, but I'm asking for the last time that people exercise a little discretion about what occurs to them the moment they read or hear something and what actually gets posted.

Thank you. :)

[Citizen Rules]

Yesterday we went to the bank drive-thru to deposit a check, the bank's lobby was closed, not a surprise I guess these days. In the drive-thru lane next to me was a young woman. I hadn't noticed her until I heard a swishing sound. I looked over as the bank transfer canister floated up the clear plexiglass tube. Which happens of course after one pushes the dirty germ infested 'send' button. Well what do you think this young woman did next? Nope not that! What she did was rub the end of her nose without, cleaning her hands and only seconds after pushing that dirty little 'send' button. And that's how people can get sick.

[Mr Minio]

Bloody Coronavirus times, when staying at home became mainstream. :(

[WrinkledMind]

There's an epidemic expert, Laminarayan, whose team created a model for India which is similar to UK and USA, and according to that model he expects to see 300 million positive cases and 1 million deaths in India alone by July end, if we don't take stringent measures.

It boils my blood to see that people are still behaving stupidly here. And it's actually the rich and educated ones. Jumping quarantine and running away from hospitals.

I also read about Italy's death toll just for today. 790+. This is just crazy and mad.

[Citizen Rules]

There's an epidemic expert, Laminarayan, whose team created a model for India which is similar to UK and USA, and according to that model he expects to see 300 million positive cases and 1 million deaths in India alone by July end, if we don't take stringent measures.

It boils my blood to see that people are still behaving stupidly here. And it's actually the rich and educated ones. Jumping quarantine and running away from hospitals...If India had 300 million cases the hospitals would be overwhelmed and most infected people wouldn't bet treatment and without any kind of treatment the fatality rate would be higher than the usual quoted 2-4%.

BTW, where in the world are you? Do you live in India? I thought you were in the UK.

[The Rodent]

Sorry for the language Yoda ... but I felt I had to make this video.
Video contains strong language: Viewer discretion is advised.



If you guys on MoFo can share, and maybe get this little message across, it might well help curb some of the craziness.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atKrXiTeP04

[Citizen Rules]

Sorry for the language @Yoda (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=1) ... but I felt I had to make this video.
Video contains strong language: Viewer discretion is advised.



If you guys on MoFo can share, and maybe get this little message across, it might well help curb some of the craziness.Edit your video to 2 or 3 minutes and I might watch, but sorry I'm not spending 12 minutes of my day watching someone elses views.

However if you want to post the thrust of your message I will read it.

[The Rodent]

Simple: Apply some logic.

[The Rodent]

Also, 2-3 minutes is short.


As I've always said, everything I post on MoFo is gold.
There's 12 minutes of pure gold in that video Citizen Rules and definitely worth a look :D :D :D

[Citizen Rules]

Simple: Apply some logic.I've found that one person's logic, is another person's viewpoint/belief system.

Do you want to hear my logic?

The pandemic is serious. I know that because while the media and people often over react, governments usually don't, especially when the government's decisions hurts their own economies. That tells me this is serious sh!!...But not the end of the world and if people will stop taking risk and obey quarantine laws, then we will get through this.

[NedStark09]

Another thing common since should tell these people A Family of 3 or 4 can do a 16-24 roll pack of toilet paper a month and 2 packs holds 2 month any more then that is robbing from someone else who has none. Ive not be impressed with people humanity to man. Lots of selfish displays of people in stores.

[Wyldesyde19]

Also, 2-3 minutes is short.


As I've always said, everything I post on MoFo is gold.
There's 12 minutes of pure gold in that video Citizen Rules and definitely worth a look :D :D :D

Upon closer inspection, said gold was discovered to have been pyrite all along.

[The Rodent]

Blegh.

[WrinkledMind]

If India had 300 million cases the hospitals would be overwhelmed and most infected people wouldn't bet treatment and without any kind of treatment the fatality rate would be higher than the usual quoted 2-4%.

BTW, where in the world are you? Do you live in India? I thought you were in the UK.

I am from Mumbai, India.

And yes, our healthcare would be easily overwhelmed with those numbers. We have amazing doctors but the infrastructure isn't there in abundance.

We can avoid this calamity, though. But I look outside my window and see people still leaving their homes to do unnecessary things.

But worse are the people in quarantine who are running away from their homes and traveling through crowded trains. And it's mostly educated, rich folks who think they are too posh to remain in government hospitals.

This apparently is a problem seen everywhere across the globe.

[NedStark09]

I was wondering would i qualify for stimulus during Corona is make 858.00 Social Security disability and if do would i be paid through that way and not taxes

[Mesmerized]

I was wondering would i qualify for stimulus during Corona is make 858.00 Social Security disability and if do would i be paid through that way and not taxes

I doubt it. But you should call Social Security to ask that question.

[Miss Vicky]

Yesterday we went to the bank drive-thru to deposit a check,.

I would suggest looking into mobile banking. I made the switch several months ago and now only go to the bank or atm if I need to withdraw cash.

[GulfportDoc]

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[cricket]

Was relaxing on my couch watching coronavirus news, and I just get a call to go pick up at the lab at Mass General Hospital. Yippee.

[Captain Steel]

Was relaxing on my couch watching coronavirus news, and I just get a call to go pick up at the lab at Mass General Hospital. Yippee.

Totally off-topic, cricket, but when I first saw your new avatar (of a guy who apparently has a cutlass in his mouth) I thought he was wearing a Reggae style "Cat-in-the-Hat" hat! (due to the colors I guess).
On closer inspection, I see it's a hat with a big feather in it!

[cricket]

So less traffic getting into Boston at 9pm on a Saturday night than your average Tuesday at 3am. I usually pick up 1 vial but just now I must have gotten like 200.

[NedStark09]

Well then its a Lie Stimulus is for the poor if a person only getting over 800 a month makes you unworthy.

[Citizen Rules]

I would suggest looking into mobile banking. I made the switch several months ago and now only go to the bank or atm if I need to withdraw cash.Agreed, online banking is the way to go. My wife does the banking online usually, except when she takes her grandma shopping and pays for it, then her grandma reimburses her with a check.

https://www.movieforums.com/community/attachment.php?attachmentid=61710Two types of people: those who buy too many paper products and those who have bad taste in beer! Just kidding Corona is OK with a slice of lime.

[Miss Vicky]

Agreed, online banking is the way to go. My wife does the banking online usually, except when she takes her grandma shopping and pays for it, then her grandma reimburses her with a check.

Mobile banking is different than online banking in that you can deposit checks with it. That's why I suggested it.

You download the bank's mobile app onto your phone or other mobile device. Using the app, you take and upload photos of both sides of the check and make the deposit that way. They ask you to hold onto the physical check for a few weeks just to make sure the deposit goes through, but after that you're supposed to destroy the check.

[cricket]

I've never used an ATM or a drive thru at the bank. I go every week but just for cash deposits. I assume I could use the drive thru for that but I always go when I'm driving the truck. Hopefully the banks in Stop n Shop stay open.

[Citizen Rules]

Mobile banking is different than online banking in that you can deposit checks with it. That's why I suggested it.

You download the bank's mobile app onto your phone or other mobile device. Using the app, you take and upload photos of both sides of the check and make the deposit that way. They ask you to hold onto the physical check for a few weeks just to make sure the deposit goes through, but after that you're supposed to destroy the check.Oh, OK I didn't know that they were different. We don't have a smart phone so it won't work for us, but it sounds like a neat thing to use for those with mobile smart phones.

[Mesmerized]

Well then its a Lie Stimulus is for the poor if a person only getting over 800 a month makes you unworthy.

If you're getting SSD, you're getting the full amount of benefits that the government can pay you. You can't be enrolled in two different programs. That's just the way it is.

[gbgoodies]

The wife briefly popped out and had absolutely no problem getting either r-swipe or bacterial wipes yesterday (1 pack of each), in fact I don't think there was a single thing on her list she didn't find though some of the items were 'lesser' brands. Where we are the attitude of people has thankfully generally been civilised thus far, long may it continue.

We also got some antibacterial wipes and sprays, and tissues today. The supermarkets are limiting these items to only 2 per person, but Hubby and I shop together, so we were able to get 4 of each.


Also loving that supermarkets have created times for when only the elderly or at risk can shop over here. Nice to see someone thinking and caring about them.

The supermarkets here (in NY) have also set up specific hours for people age 60 or older, but those hours are very early in the morning, around 7AM. We haven't gone there that early, but I've heard that many people who are shopping early in the day are coming home empty-handed. We've been lucky finding these items in the afternoon or early evening.

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[doubledenim]

Looks like we are gonna have our first situation at work. Word circling is "our" patient zero had a wife that just got back from international travel recently, she showed signs and he continued to come to work. He stayed home today "with symptoms".

When I get my case, I will control the narrative. I got it because I had to, had to get almond milk. From a Food Lion. Shop local.

*comment erased due to practices and standards of this forum, regardless of the humor*

[doubledenim]

Now I know why I've been hoarding t.v. shows. My moment will be here soon. Throw in new Ozark for good measure.

[NedStark09]

If you're getting SSD, you're getting the full amount of benefits that the government can pay you. You can't be enrolled in two different programs. That's just the way it is.
Well it dont do **** when have 235.00 house payment and 157.00 Gas Bill and 178.00 electric bill. Those are bills I pay because my mom died from Cancer the biggest killer of people in human history. Before that My Check just paid for Grocerys and Water Bill and Trash.

[NedStark09]

If you're getting SSD, you're getting the full amount of benefits that the government can pay you. You can't be enrolled in two different programs. That's just the way it is.
Just say what it is its a lie to say we are giving a Thousand in stimulus to all poor people to help the econemy. Thats what Trump said. Id love see some these people live on 9,000 a year who considers 35 k a year poverty

[WrinkledMind]

Country under curfew (self imposed not government imposed). And it's been followed by everyone.

I live near the National park, and all the quietness and empty streets has brought out few creatures on the road.

Have seen a mongoose and a vulture. Currently enjoying an owl effortlessly fending off couple of crows who are stupidly attempting to attack it, while it rests on the roof of the neighbour's window grill.

[7thson]

I was wondering would i qualify for stimulus during Corona is make 858.00 Social Security disability and if do would i be paid through that way and not taxes
Just read this article. While it is just a preposal at this time I think it's a good idea.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/488803-democrats-call-for-stimulus-to-boost-social-security-benefits-by-200-a-month

[ashdoc]

PM modi had asked people to stay indoors for one day today and come to the balconies of their apartments and clap for few minutes in appreciation of doctors and health workers. Not only did the whole country stay indoors but at precisely 5 pm came to clap and blow conches in their balconies in the whole country !! Unbelievable scenes.......

[Yoda]

I was wondering would i qualify for stimulus during Corona is make 858.00 Social Security disability and if do would i be paid through that way and not taxes
I don't see why not.

At the very least I'm not sure I'd start getting preemptively mad before you have any good reason to think you don't. Read about the bill a little.

[NedStark09]

Well it will be whatever bill actually passes. No bill has passed so no ones getting anything till do

[NedStark09]

Do You Guys Think Black Widow movie and Wonder Women should release on stream of wait for release a few months. Cause when this is over we will need a good movie to return to the cinemas for.

[Yoda]

A really simple illustration about how seemingly small things can make a big difference:

https://twitter.com/AnanyaS1190/status/1241590500571910144

[Mesmerized]

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[Mesmerized]

Currently in the U.S.

Coronavirus cases: 38,757

Deaths: 400, R.I.P.

Recovered: 178

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

[NedStark09]

And yet 38,000 plus people are still alive and lets thank God not all that number is in the dead column. The Pink Blossoms are in spring bloom and the sun is out. I think its a good sign we will be ok. Just keep optimistic is what I hope people do.

[Wyldesyde19]

And yet 38,000 plus people are still alive and lets thank God not all that number is in the dead column. The Pink Blossoms are in spring bloom and the sun is out. I think its a good sign we will be ok. Just keep optimistic is what I hope people do.

That and social distancing.

[matt72582]

Does anyone have the flu? If so, how are you doing? I'm on Day 4. And just like the last time I got the flu, it was immediately after going grocery shopping (I had no choice)... I took precautions, wore gloves, etc., but I'm sick as hell (body aches, weak, chills, and lately coughing - hoping its the Lysol I sprayed earlier)

[NedStark09]

Do you have to do frequent number 2 visits I think also is a sign. But your symptoms mirror any flu really. But To answer your question I dont get flu's or colds for some reason. I have allergies in the spring and pet hair but not colds.

[Mesmerized]

Do you have to do frequent number 2 visits I think also is a sign.

I do, since last night. But that has nothing to do with a virus or flu. It's from stuffing my face with pizza.

[Mesmerized]

This is sad. I have nothing to set an alarm for.


How about the 12pm Mass on EWTN? Incidentally, I found out my parish is putting their Masses on YouTube. You might want to check your parish website to see if they're doing the same.

[NedStark09]

Here in WV We have 14 infected no deaths as of yet. But Only 338 people tested. It be over by time all people tested here.

[Captain Steel]

Here in WV We have 14 infected no deaths as of yet. But Only 338 people tested. It be over by time all people tested here.

Let's hope so!

[Guaporense]

Here in WV We have 14 infected no deaths as of yet. But Only 338 people tested. It be over by time all people tested here.

There can be 3 outcomes:

1. The virus is sucessfully supressed, this has to happen now (over the next few weeks) or never.
2. The virus is not supressed, in this case millions around the world will die (I guess about 150 million, given that it spreads through every country).
3. Some countries supress the virus, others fail, requires travel bans and countries which failed are isolated, those countries that failed to supress lose 1.5-2% of their population.

Number 1 requires supression in every country, so it looks hard to accomplish. I guess 3 is the most probable.

[MovieGal]

We have a "Stay At Home" order issued by the city I live in. Only essential employees can go to work. However my job, the lawyers at work consider essential, not anyone else. I take a medication that alters my immune system but I still have to go to work. I have 2 days next month that are doctors' appointments and have to use the time I earned so far to go. I can't afford to miss work anyway.

[Captain Steel]

There can be 3 outcomes:

1. The virus is sucessfully supressed, this has to happen now (over the next few weeks) or never.
2. The virus is not supressed, in this case millions around the world will die (I guess about 150 million, given that it spreads through every country).
3. Some countries supress the virus, others fail, requires travel bans and countries which failed are isolated, those countries that failed to supress lose 1.5-2% of their population.

Number 1 requires supression in every country, so it looks hard to accomplish. I guess 3 is the most probable.

I think the estimate in #2 is a bit high.

The Spanish Flu in 1918 killed only 50 million worldwide. Now, granted, there are a lot more people on Earth now and travel is a lot easier & faster, but at the same time we are far more advanced in science, medicine and knowledge than we were a full century ago.

We also aren't coming out of a world war that stifled communication - we have unbelievable worldwide communication now that allows us to track many variables, statistics, treatments and to share information. We know far more about the preventative measuers of hygiene now.

Agree? Disagree? Thoughts?

[Citizen Rules]

There can be 3 outcomes:

1. The virus is sucessfully supressed, this has to happen now (over the next few weeks) or never.
2. The virus is not supressed, in this case millions around the world will die (I guess about 150 million, given that it spreads through every country).
3. Some countries supress the virus, others fail, requires travel bans and countries which failed are isolated, those countries that failed to supress lose 1.5-2% of their population.

Number 1 requires supression in every country, so it looks hard to accomplish. I guess 3 is the most probable.

Guap what methodology did you use to come up with 150 million for #2 scenario? Did you calculate that yourself? Or from the internet.

I think the estimate in #2 is a bit high.

Agree? Disagree? Thoughts?
My only thoughts are in calculating total numbers of fatalities. We hear numbers like 2-4% for fatality rates. I've also heard people saying it could be up to 50% infected in a worse case scenario. Then it occurred to me that the health system would be completely overwhelmed if such large numbers became sick, which would then result in a much higher fatality percentage, than the often quoted 2-4%.
Who's good at math?

[Loner]

The Coronavirus Hoax

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYH0LskZWVg

[Captain Steel]

Who's good at math?

Not me! :(

[NedStark09]

I have a question what is the national gaurd gonna do in LA and New York to help do. Unless there in full bodied germ suits they can get infected or be carriers as well. If Cops Fireman and emts cannot help the medical problems. The Guard is gonna create more sick . I just think its too late to try an contain a virus thats all ready in all 50 states.


People that are not staying home are people who has to work so others can stay home. Trash, mail and ups workers cops fireman emts grocery store people hospital nurses and deliver truck drivers and not to mention gov workers. At some point these people have to be on the road. The issue people now not staying home thats an issue is the rich and pampered young people like the spring breakers.



Im for staying home to not get other sick. But it was done 2 months to late to try and stop the spreading of the virus. Its in all 50 states now.

[NedStark09]

I have one question in 2009 the swine flu that killed 12,000 Americans and infected 57,000 people world wide. how was that pandemic cured. If i recall it ended more so when summer came. A shot was created after the fact. No drug can stop a germ. We can only sadly treat and save people from dying and thank God allot have recovered or didnt get infected and some people wont.

[Captain Steel]

I have a question what is the national gaurd gonna do in LA and New York to help do.

I don't know, but a while back I heard something about them being deployed to secure the ports... whatever that means.

[NedStark09]

Well Trump said it in todays briefing. Not sure what there suppose to do in LA and NY Or Cali and NY.

[Mr Minio]

Harvey Weinstein tests positive for Coronavirus (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52000173)
XDDDDDDDDDDDD

[The Rodent]

Said I'd post it...


https://i.imgur.com/QGcOBRk.jpg


13 industrial rolls of bum-cleaning joy.

[Chypmunk]

13 industrial rolls of bum-cleaning joy.
And hopefully enough left over when we come out the other side of this to launch out the window in celebration ;)

[NedStark09]

Well one hopes have no pet like a cat that will tear it up. We just got a 16 Rolls pack ahead of the 16 Pack we already had. So if do well we have enough T paper till Least First of May. Assuming dont pick up more in april for some reason.

[Hey Fredrick]

Said I'd post it...


https://i.imgur.com/QGcOBRk.jpg


13 industrial rolls of bum-cleaning joy.

GF came back from the store with a case of bum wipe. Store brand. I told her if this lasts though the pandemic I'll be able to use it to sand down some woodworking projects. I think it about 120 grit. More cheese, please

[GulfportDoc]

The Coronavirus Hoax

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYH0LskZWVg
An excellent post, Loner! I'm starting to see the first inkling of people who suspect that we've been "had" by the panic mongers.

According to the World Health Organization the worldwide seasonal flu virus typically kills between 290,000 and 650,000 people. To date there have been only 15,408 worldwide deaths attributed to the COVID-19 virus.

The CDC states that annually in the U.S. between 12,000 to 61,000 people die from the seasonal flu virus. To date there have been only 458 deaths attributed to the COVID-19 virus.

A logical person might ask --given these numbers-- why the draconian measures, disruption of civil liberties, and fear? It's starting to look as though we will likely be forced into recession and that people will suffer financial hardship for no good reason.

~Doc

[Yoda]

I'm going to say this for the last time: if you're going to float conspiracies (and I know from personal experience you like to do exactly that), you should answer the really, really simple questions I've been asking over and over about them, rather than reflexively spreading doubt and misinformation. If you truly believe yourself to be fact-based and skeptically-minded, responding to such simple follow-ups should be something you welcome, rather than something you avoid like...well, you know.

This is no longer a request.

[Loner]

An excellent post, Loner! I'm starting to see the first inkling of people who suspect that we've been "had" by the panic mongers.

According to the World Health Organization the worldwide seasonal flu virus typically kills between 290,000 and 650,000 people. To date there have been only 15,408 worldwide deaths attributed to the COVID-19 virus.

The CDC states that annually in the U.S. between 12,000 to 61,000 people die from the seasonal flu virus. To date there have been only 458 deaths attributed to the COVID-19 virus.

A logical person might ask --given these numbers-- why the draconian measures, disruption of civil liberties, and fear? It's starting to look as though we will likely be forced into recession and that people will suffer financial hardship for no good reason.

~Doc

That's not why I posted that. Shouldn't have posted it to begin with. That's Rand Paul's dad. It was suppose to be ironic, like "rain on your wedding day" or whatever.

[Yoda]

I think the estimate in #2 is a bit high.

The Spanish Flu in 1918 killed only 50 million worldwide. Now, granted, there are a lot more people on Earth now and travel is a lot easier & faster, but at the same time we are far more advanced in science, medicine and knowledge than we were a full century ago.

We also aren't coming out of a world war that stifled communication - we have unbelievable worldwide communication now that allows us to track many variables, statistics, treatments and to share information. We know far more about the preventative measuers of hygiene now.

Agree? Disagree? Thoughts?
Agree with some of it.

I agree that the fast spread of information could help immensely. It's been very impressive and encouraging how fast the word got out. But that might be counteracted by the number of people who willfully choose to disregard or downplay it. The downside of having a lot of information is people get into the habit of picking and choosing which information to trust, and we can plainly see people letting political considerations influence their level of skepticism, the same way they do with anything else.

Another possible problem is that the communications you mention are accompanied by more mobility for people and physical goods, which is obviously pushing in the other direction. We can learn about it faster than people could learn about the Spanish flu, but it can also spread much faster, and we generally have a lot more people living in densely populated areas.

Even if we wanna call all that a wash (which might be generous), and even if you assume a death rate at about half of what the so-called Spanish Flu had, that still leads to staggering numbers:

https://twitter.com/Goodtweet_man/status/1241917046872576001

[John McClane]

I just love how people seem to forget that the seasonal flu covers November-May.

COVID-19 has been around a little less than a month.

So basically, you're wearing the idiot hat if you try comparing numbers to argue this really ain't that bad.

[Yoda]

I just love how people seem to forget that the seasonal flu covers November-May.

COVID-19 has been around a little less than a month.

So basically, you're wearing the idiot hat if you try comparing numbers to argue this really ain't that bad.
Yeah, bizarre. "The numbers are so much higher for this six-month thing than this thing that's been going around a fraction of the time and which most infected people just got." Well...yeah. Of course.

Not to mention that it's totally failing to account for trajectory. The whole point here is that by the time the numbers are comparable it's too late. Here, watch this number doubling each day:

1
2
4
8
16
32
64

A smart person doesn't see this and say "big whoop, 64 people." A smart person sees this and extrapolates a little. Obviously they don't treat the doubling as inevitable or necessarily going on forever, but looking at it in nominal terms is aggressively ignorant. They're the king in the wheat-on-the-chess-board parable.

[Yoda]

Here's an article about the seasonal flu comparison (https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-03-05/flu-killed-more-people-coronavirus-covid-19). Obviously, this is only for genuinely skeptical people who ask questions in order to get answers, rather than those who float them just to spread doubt and then totally disengage because they've already made up their mind. Some relevant quotes:

Humanity has been contending with seasonal flu for centuries, so scientists have had a long time to study the influenza strains that circulate in the winter months.

This research has led to the development of annual vaccines that protect large swaths of the population from getting the flu and reduce its severity in those who do become infected. In addition, there are medications available that can treat influenza symptoms and sometimes shorten the duration of the illness.

Also, when individuals come down with the flu, their bodies build up immunity. That means not everyone who is exposed to the flu virus gets sick.

But the coronavirus responsible for COVID-19 has been in existence for only about three months, so there is no natural immunity in the population.
Scientists know that influenza is transmitted from person to person by droplets that leave a sick person’s mouth when they cough, sneeze or talk. Those droplets can travel three to six feet and infect anyone in their path.

The coronavirus spreads through droplets as well, researchers say, and it may be capable of airborne transmission too. Airborne viruses, like measles and chickenpox, can drift from person to person in even smaller droplets that can travel on air currents.

[Hey Fredrick]

"The governor's order will require nearly all workers in the state to work remotely or lose their jobs by closing all workplaces that aren't deemed essential. Restaurants and bars may stay open but only for delivery and curbside pick-up orders."

Hope he explains this a bit more this afternoon. Let's not do a one size fits all approach to this. My job is non-essential yet I don't come into contact with anybody, work alone and am working outdoors. I take pride in my ability to not have contact with people while working because people annoy the blankety-blank out of me when I'm trying to get stuff done. I've had customers for 15 years that I've never even met or seen. It's a perfect working relationship. A single trip to the store puts me in contact with more people than a months worth of work does. Self employed so I can't be fired but I can have my licenses/certifications revoked and the govt. checks wouldn't even begin to cover the refunds I'd have to start dishing out. Hoping I'm exempt but we'll see.

[Yoda]

So far I've been very encouraged by the common-sense exceptions for a lot of the rules and edicts. I saw construction works out this morning, which seems to fit what you're talking about a bit.

[John McClane]

Yeah, the road work projects and other construction gigs are out in full force. I ain't never seen this many jobs start up this fast.

If I was a tinfoil hatter it would make me think crazy things. But I just realize it's people picking up work that might have lost work elsewhere and/or people capitalizing on the access to areas that were once populated.

[Yoda]

Yeah, and it's a great opportunity to get a lot of that done. Low-risk profession compared to most, way less traffic, etc. Again, tiny silver linings where we can get them.

[NedStark09]

All I am saying I doubt we get 50 million people dying. That would mean there was allot of people with bad immune systems and prior sicknesses. Worst case probably by I think 100,000 by the type this is over. I know thats still a sad bad thing. I just doubt we will see the kind of death toll The Spanish Flu had. I m being optimistic and nobody knows how many people will die here no matter there best guess.

[NedStark09]

Ohio got a stay at home order. Now how is that possible. People have to have food and go to the store. Or if doing liver or cancer treatments.

[Yoda]

Ohio got a stay at home order. Now how is that possible. People have to have food and go to the store. Or if doing liver or cancer treatments.
Again, there are exceptions here for health care and food and other essentials. Even exercise is usually allowed, if done prudently.

I don't know why you read a headline or hear a rumor and immediately start saying things like this, when you could easily Google the basic facts and then react. Please take a moment to look into it before posting this stuff, as I previously requested (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?p=2075687#post2075687).

[Yoda]

All I am saying I doubt we get 50 million people dying. That would mean there was allot of people with bad immune systems and prior sicknesses.
No, it would not necessarily mean that, since this is a novel virus nobody has an immunity to, and since the primary fear is about people not getting access to healthcare if too many people are infected simultaneously.

You can't just sort of theorycraft around this, people. Please stop speculating wildly, especially if you're not taking even a few minutes to learn the basics about what we're up against. I realize we're all stressed, but externalizing that stress doesn't help, and can in fact hurt.

[Stirchley]

That's sad? Sounds blissful to me! :)
Nothing I like better than "sleeping in."

I hear you, but I like to be busy. Archbishop of CT has clamped down severely on any “social gathering” so this has eliminated a lot of my activities. Thank goodness I can still take my long daily walk. I would go bonkers otherwise.

This Corona thing will decide our future Trump reelection or his loss.

Doubt it. I expect Trump to have a 2nd term. Unfortunately.


They said,"Yes, but you're registered as an Independent - you can't vote in a Democrat primary! Only registered Democrats can vote in a Democrat primary."

Same thing happened to me last year. All psyched up to vote in the primary & was v. p****d to find out I’m not a registered Democrat. I had no idea.

Hubby and I went to the supermarket around 3PM today, and the first aisles we checked were for toilet paper and antibacterial wipes.

My girlfriend works at Walgreens & what is happening here is that hoarders who bought tons of toilet paper, etc. are now returning to the store asking for refunds since they have no work. Apparently now, Stop and Shop & Walgreens have a strict no refund rule. This sounds reasonable to me.

... eggs were one of the earlier bottlenecks in running out of "normal" day-to-day supplies.

Some dope at our food pantry (before it closed) left one of the fridge doors ajar & 6 dozen eggs had to be thrown out.

I have 2 days next month that are doctors' appointments and have to use the time I earned so far to go.

My internist & his PA are not seeing anyone. Annual physical postponed until November and I expect my dermatologist to call any day to cancel my annual visit.

[NedStark09]

West Virginia Just Announced Stay At Home Order Unless Going TO Get Food Medicine and To Appointments. So Its an order to Limit your travel not really no one go anywhere. So same people will be working Walmart and Food Store Main chains. Cops Utility workers hospitals EMTs Fire people MAIL ups AND trash company and people that work to send people there checks be it social security or retirement.

[resopamenic]

I like this to be taken out of context.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ey1Z0VhAQdA

[Yoda]

Geez, nailed it, reso. Wish I'd thought to post that. What a scene.

[Yoda]

https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1242152287566532608

[rauldc14]

I didn't do my research. Were we ahead of the Italy situation ourselves?

[Yoda]

I guess it depends on what you mean. We're "behind" in the sense that they had it earlier and it's ramped up there earlier. Their response was very slow and bad, but has been very stringent since. Our early response was also slow and bad, and I'd say we're also not responding as forcefully, in part because I'm not sure we can.

That said, one of the reasons we can't is because we're more decentralized and naturally spread out, which is also sort of a good thing in some senses. So we can't necessarily use Italy as a model in either way. But honestly, any country finding a potential "peak" here would be very encouraging news, given the range of outcomes.

If nothing else, it would make a strong argument for a swift and stringent lockdown to bite the bullet as quickly as possible, I think.

[Mesmerized]

Currently in the U.S.

Coronavirus cases: 41,569

Deaths: 504, R.I.P.

Recovered: 187

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

[NedStark09]

And yet 41,000 plus are still living. Having it and surviving or having mild cases is good thing. I think the USA should be lucky death is only under a thousand deaths in this country after how badly it wasnt taken seriously by the president and other people.

[Yoda]

Some evidence suggesting that something close to a total lock-down, while obviously a huge inconvenience, will actually work:

https://twitter.com/FerdiGiugliano/status/1242139569249714176
Both India and UK are doing it, too. I think it's a matter of time here, and the sooner we do it the sooner we can hit the peak and start getting things under control.

[Stirchley]

⬆️ “Total lockdown” would consist of what?

[Yoda]

You can read about it here (https://time.com/5807210/italy-coronavirus-lockdown-photos/), and a number of other places, but I think the short version is that only essential business can stay open, with meaningful enforcement of same, and you may not be allowed to travel in public without a reason (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/22/italian-pm-warns-of-worst-crisis-since-ww2-as-coronavirus-deaths-leap-by-almost-800).

[cricket]

Picked up a test from a prison last night. 10 minutes later my wife texts me that 3 inmates and a guard from that same prison tested positive. I didn't touch anything.

[Chypmunk]

Longest trip I've made in 11 days now is to the bins in the garden and back. By June I reckon I might have totally forgotten how to walk :D

[7thson]

I got a call about my test results this afternoon. They told me I am negative. This is definitely a relief as I still feel a little under the weather but I can handle that. I would go out to celebrate, but um....

[Yoda]

So glad to hear that, Dionne. Stay in and keep it that way. :up:

BTW, apparently Germany seeing similar results to Italy. Grain of salt, of course, but would be significant evidence that a two-week lock down might really avert the worst-case scenarios. Here's hoping. And if so, here's hoping we do that sooner rather than later. I'm behaving as if it were happening anyway, and a lot of others are as well.

[Stirchley]

Is there any point to getting tested other than for statistical reasons? As I understand it, there’s nothing one can do if one tests positive other than to self-quarantine. If one’s nearest hospital does not have a respirator, then there’s no point going there.

Is my understanding correct?

[7thson]

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Is there any point to getting tested other than for statistical reasons? As I understand it, there’s nothing one can do if one tests positive other than to self-quarantine. If one’s nearest hospital does not have a respirator, then there’s no point going there.

Is my understanding correct?


I guess it depends on one's perception of things. I can tell you I am extremely relieved to know I'm negative but if positive I would have wanted to know as well. As far as my actions go I can go out for necessaries when needed instead of sending my wife out. Saying that I don't plan on going anywhere anytime soon.

The test itself is a nightmare (for me anyway) worse than any shot I got growing up.

[Stirchley]

⬆️ Oh, my, I would hate this test. For some reason I thought they simply swabbed both nostrils.

[Stirchley]

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The London Subway this morning. Insanity.

Boris Johnson is now enforcing a lockdown & I wish my fellow Brits the best of luck.

[cricket]

My god^^just holding the rails is bad enough

[Captain Steel]

Another problem with testing: you could test negative today (and thus proceed onward thinking you're not a vector) and be positive tomorrow (after having picked up a germ somewhere along the way).

[Stirchley]

⬆️ Exactly. And one might become overly complacent with a negative result thinking mistakenly that one need no longer worry.

[Stirchley]

I’ve been reading that some truckers are having difficulty finding food on the road. So many restaurants have gone drive-thru only &, obviously, a truck can’t go through a drive-thru. Some restaurants, but not the majority, are meeting the truckers curbside & handing them a meal. For heaven’s sake, how do people think we are getting supplies if not for truckers?

[MovieGal]

Stirchley

It's very important I go to one of the appointments. I need the medication shot to get by. If I don't have it, I will be extremely miserable. I normally do the shot and my general checkup appointment together. I can just go in and get my shot this time. Not sure when my doctor will request my next bloodwork.

[cricket]

I’ve been reading that some truckers are having difficulty finding food on the road. So many restaurants have gone drive-thru only &, obviously, a truck can’t go through a drive-thru. Some restaurants, but not the majority, are meeting the truckers curbside & handing them a meal. For heaven’s sake, how do people think we are getting supplies if not for truckers?

I had that problem the first day with Dunkin' Donuts and ended up walking to the window, but I have all my spots sorted out since. But I go to the same areas every week, it's still a problem for folks venturing into unfamiliar territory.

[Captain Steel]

Are liquor stores staying open? (They're kind of an "essential service" for some.)

[MovieGal]

Are liquor stores staying open? (They're kind of an "essential service" for some.)

Essential to parents who are stuck at home with their children:lol:

[Mesmerized]

I’ve been reading that some truckers are having difficulty finding food on the road. So many restaurants have gone drive-thru only &, obviously, a truck can’t go through a drive-thru. Some restaurants, but not the majority, are meeting the truckers curbside & handing them a meal. For heaven’s sake, how do people think we are getting supplies if not for truckers?

Truck drivers are the backbone of industry. Without them the world would shut down.

[Mesmerized]

Are liquor stores staying open? (They're kind of an "essential service" for some.)

Not in my state. Although I wish I could find beer. I'm thirsty.

[Austruck]

Are liquor stores staying open? (They're kind of an "essential service" for some.)

Pennsylvania has state-run liquor stores. Those have all closed.

However, beer distributors currently remain open. My guess is that's because they also sell snacks and sodas and other drinks. Food businesses are all still open but are not allowed to have sit-down areas for people to congregate.

Truckers at regular truck stops can probably go in and do to-go orders at various spots. Or get out of their trucks and walk up to drive-thrus. SOME drive-thrus here in our area never accepted walk-ups to the windows (safety for everyone). Hubby just came back from a work trip across Ohio on their turnpike and all the rest areas were open. The food court dining areas were closed but you could still go in and order any of the food court foods to go.

[Mesmerized]

⬆️ Oh, my, I would hate this test. For some reason I thought they simply swabbed both nostrils.

I don't know which is more painful, the test or the virus. I think I'd rather get the virus.

[NedStark09]

Has anyone noticed there has been no crime. Or news on crime or drugs pushers or any violence. Im just concerned that you have a bunch of bad people somewhere who cant get near people and there are series killers and rapiest in the world. How long can that whole deal hold up until we get guns going off in some of these Nation Gaurd call to duty places by Donald Trump

[gbgoodies]

Neil Diamond posts ‘Sweet Caroline’ coronavirus remake: ‘Hands — washing hands’ (https://nypost.com/2020/03/23/neil-diamond-posts-sweet-caroline-coronavirus-remake-hands-washing-hands/)

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[Captain Steel]

Has anyone noticed there has been no crime. Or news on crime or drugs pushers or any violence. Im just concerned that you have a bunch of bad people somewhere who cant get near people and there are series killers and rapiest in the world. How long can that whole deal hold up until we get guns going off in some of these Nation Gaurd call to duty places by Donald Trump

There was an instant drop in crime right after 9/11 also (obviously, mostly in NYC).

Not to be a downer (or give anyone ideas) but I was thinking of this crisis in terms of terrorism also. The country is vulnerable on many levels. BUT without large gatherings there aren'y the TYPICAL targets available for terrorists - so that's good.

But, if on top of everything else right now, they were to create a scare by trying to poison reservoirs, food at supermarkets, or just send some powder through the mail - even just a couple scares (whether real or not) right now could send things over the edge.

And then there's the idea of attacking hospitals. Okay, I should stop because I have a whole lot of even more insidious ideas.

(Remember after 9/11 they actually asked movie buffs and creative writers to submit ideas on terror attacks to help national security think outside the box? I never did get an address on where to submit ideas to - plus, with my luck, the FBI would probably show up at my door and arrest me for seditious writings!)

[NedStark09]

Im talking about the fact your asking people not to commit crimes and its probably not been any killings or muggings this month. The crazy people that kill and do bad things just cant stop. Theres gonna be lots of crime when the green light goes on for people to do normal things.

[Captain Steel]

I also wonder about (in terms of who's working)... plumbers or any contractor that might need to make a house call - imagine your water pipes springing a leak right now or having your toilet stop working?

(About a week and a half ago our oven broke and a PSE&G repairman had to come out to fix it. All it needed was a new "ignition switch".)

Auto mechanics - for many people their cars are essential or emergency vehicles - they need to be kept running.
Are private car service stations and car dealership service departments open?

Most Dentists have closed up shop - but what if you have an emergency? (M.D.'s, urgent care and hospitals don't do dentistry.)

Are visiting nurses or home physical therapists / home health aids, etc. still making their rounds?

[gbgoodies]

I also wonder about (in terms of who's working)...

Auto mechanics - for many people their cars are essential or emergency vehicles - they need to be kept running.
Are private car service stations and car dealership service departments open?



Hubby is a mechanic, and he's still working. They're on the "essential businesses" list in NY.

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[NedStark09]

Funny how in new york all the cars seem still when you see them in any tv show in NY or Movie where the city is destroyed

[Yoda]

Yeah, we hired someone to replace some doors here awhile ago, and the process dragged on in a few places so we went in to finalize it a week and a half ago. In theory they should be calling us before too long, so we'll be trying to schedule it during all this. Just one guy, probably, but still, it'll be happening in a very different situation than we were in when we started it.

Re: cars. I know in some places they're considered essential. From what I've seen the definition has a lot of latitude. I think the issue is more that if there's NO force behind the recommendations, however important or however strongly they're suggested, some people will just ignore them. So even if the actual qualifying businesses are pretty wide, just having it formalized probably goes a long way for compliance and curbing behavior.

[NedStark09]

Im kidding bout cars never seem moving. Trying lighten mood of people anywhere.

[7thson]

As far as testing negative and then feeling like I am safe - not at all. If anything since I got tested we have been more stringent on our health practices. I was my hands more in one day than I used to in a week. After bathroom usage, before eating or cooking was the usual, now it is just normal to wash them after doing anything.

I think the next couple of days is going to be pivotal when it comes to statistics on all of this.

[NedStark09]

It depends if pardon the expression the beach party fools stay home. Country rooted people like me are home bodied people anyways. Prob why WV only has 20 cases and zero deaths knock on wood so far and all those infected was coming home out of state.

[Austruck]

I think the next couple of days is going to be pivotal when it comes to statistics on all of this.

Pretty sure it'll be more like weeks or months. Stats are coming in in batches as tests get to people and then come back. It's a very uneven process and will likely stay that way for a long time. I know of at least two people whose doctors told them they were presumed COVID positive despite not being tested (no tests available when they got sick recently). So, the stats aren't accurate and will just continue coming in weirdly timed waves, I expect...

...for much longer than just a few days. :(

[Powdered Water]

Washington state is shutting down and the big goof is talking about firing up the economy next week. That's leadership. Prepare yourselves America, our numbers are about to go up probably quite significantly this week. Hopefully there will be enough data to determine if we've bent this curve or whatever. If we haven't then the national lockdown will probably come next Monday. Goodtimes. My industry has been deemed essential tho so I am kind of honored to continue growing the marijuana for all that need it or want it.

[Taz]

Scotland went into effective locked down from yesterday and the rest of the UK into effective lockdown overnight.

All non-essential shops are closed (which leaves only things like pharmacys and supermarkets etc left open), no gatherings of more than 2 people unless from the same household, only leave the house once a day for exercise (alone or with those from your household only) or shopping for essentials only, no social gatherings, weddings etc, only funerals can go ahead - but only immediate family, or for medical need or to assist vulnerable persons, or to and from work for essential workers.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-52007540

[The Rodent]

It's official then.


The UK is under lockdown because dumbasses couldn't be selfless.


Any shop/store that doesn't sell essentials, is shut.
So, DVD stores, bookstores, clothing shops etc, all closed.


Only supermarkets and cornershops and pharmacies, are to stay open.


Public gatherings of all kinds, banned.
Means no weddings, no concerts, none of those bicycle morons having gatherings.
Council owned parks are shut.
Playparks are shut.


Public parks are open for people to go and get exercise if they need it... but Police have been given powers to arrest on the spot anyone and everyone who are in crowds of 3+ people.
1, or 2 people, is fine.
3+ in a group, is an immediate arrest and possibly jail.


The order is... stay at home unless you need bread and milk, or face being given a fine and possible jail.

[Mr Minio]

I also wonder about (in terms of who's working)... plumbers or any contractor Does any h0t Asian m0m need plumbing? I'm on it. :cool:

[Chypmunk]

Pretty sure it'll be more like weeks or months. Stats are coming in in batches as tests get to people and then come back. It's a very uneven process and will likely stay that way for a long time. I know of at least two people whose doctors told them they were presumed COVID positive despite not being tested (no tests available when they got sick recently). So, the stats aren't accurate and will just continue coming in weirdly timed waves, I expect...

...for much longer than just a few days. :(
I got told yesterday by my doctor (via phone as he's in self isolation as well after dealing with some Covid-19 positive patients) that he could order a test for me but with a reported backlog of 40,000 already waiting to take tests over here and current capacity well below a tenth of that per day (they are trying to increase it) it probably wouldn't be worthwhile as I'd either be really sick by the time they got to me for testing or the virus would have passed (if, indeed, I do have it).

Availability and capacity for testing are going to be huge factors (alongside people not being eejits and taking it seriously) that will determine how this outbreak plays out in terms of duration.

According to my doctor his experience has been that it progresses in severity quite quickly if you are going to get really ill. That's all I needed to hear to ease my mind tbh as I'm no worse now than I was on day 1. I may still have it but chances are I have a normal bug that may just need anti-bacs if still attacking me by this time next week.

[gandalf26]

It's official then.


The UK is under lockdown because dumbasses couldn't be selfless.


Any shop/store that doesn't sell essentials, is shut.
So, DVD stores, bookstores, clothing shops etc, all closed.


Only supermarkets and cornershops and pharmacies, are to stay open.


Public gatherings of all kinds, banned.
Means no weddings, no concerts, none of those bicycle morons having gatherings.
Council owned parks are shut.
Playparks are shut.


Public parks are open for people to go and get exercise if they need it... but Police have been given powers to arrest on the spot anyone and everyone who are in crowds of 3+ people.
1, or 2 people, is fine.
3+ in a group, is an immediate arrest and possibly jail.


The order is... stay at home unless you need bread and milk, or face being given a fine and possible jail.

I manage a chip shop and boss wants us to stay open for now, Government guidelines on takeaways still say we can stay open.

[The Rodent]

I manage a chip shop and boss wants us to stay open for now, Government guidelines on takeaways still say we can stay open.


:up:

In times of crisis, people will need the essentials.


Bog roll.
Bread.
Milk.

The Chippie.


:D

[The Rodent]

All the talk of "Social Distancing" got me thinking of George Carlin.
Dude was waaay ahead of his time.


Social Distancing... it's a Curfew.



(Contains a little swearing)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuEQixrBKCc

[NedStark09]

Well I got tested in a bigger town 3 days ago and My Dr Says I have no Corona nor my sister or Her Boyfriend.

[WrinkledMind]

We are going to go under a nationwide lockdown till 14th April. Doctors, cops and authorities are really doing their best.

The only issues are idiots. And more often than not it's the rich, educated ones. They just do not understand the basics or simply do not care to follow a simple basic rule of staying inside their homes.

[Yoda]

Re: Carlin clip. Yeah, no worries on language, I'm more "clicker beware" these days for embedded stuff where someone chooses to watch it. Also, I just posted a clip from that exact same special the other day (the bit about germs and the immune system, naturally).

Glad to hear that, Ned. :up:

Hang in there, Wrinkled.

[cricket]

Just tried one McDonald's and only the drive-through can be used, which I can't use. Went across the street to Target to get my coffee shots, which they are out of, and their café is closed. It won't take much for me to resort to cannibalism.

[WrinkledMind]

Yoda
You too my friend. The same to all the Americans and Brits in here. We will all come out victorious from this huge battle.

[Citizen Rules]

Washington state is shutting down and the big goof is talking about firing up the economy next week. That's leadership. Prepare yourselves America, our numbers are about to go up probably quite significantly this week. Hopefully there will be enough data to determine if we've bent this curve or whatever...I'm in Washington state and yes we're going to lockdown tomorrow. Which makes me feel like I'm trapped, but it's probably the safest avenue. Yes I heard of the tweets Trump made that seems to suggest he want's to ease quarantine restrictions and get things back to normal, which is great news (if you're a coronavirus looking to infect humanity). I'm not optimistic about the outcome, we have too many people, too closely grouped with lots of travel between places. If we let our guard down and go back to business as usual, the virus will come back in another wave.

A couple of days ago the advisor to the president of the World Health Organization warned that social isolating wasn't enough, and that once the curve is flattened and isolation is lifted the virus will come back in a second wave. He pointed to Korea as the way to handle the virus. In Korea they test everyone with symptoms and do immediate isolation of that person.

[Miss Vicky]

I'm not opportunistic about the outcome, we have too many people, too closely grouped with lots of travel between places.

I think you mean optimistic.

[Citizen Rules]

I think you mean optimistic.Ha, yes I did. Thanks I'll correct it now.

[The Rodent]

Just tried one McDonald's and only the drive-through can be used, which I can't use. Went across the street to Target to get my coffee shots, which they are out of, and their café is closed. It won't take much for me to resort to cannibalism.


Cannibalism is probably safer than eating Macca's tbh, Dude.

[Yoda]

The tricky thing for leaders in this situation is that, by definition, they need to issue severe measures before there is an undeniable, manifest reason for them. It's not a great spot to be in. But right now it looks very much like we're simply delaying lock down orders without actually preventing them. I think we clearly need to take this more seriously, but can otherwise appreciate the balancing act people are concerned about. However, the most likely outcome seems to be that they delay the policy rather than avoid it, and it is much less effective as a result.

I worry we're getting the worst of both worlds, where we hold out until it's painfully obvious it needs to happen, and then do it, so we neither avoid that disruption OR get the full benefit of it.

It's feeling very much like it has to get worse for another week, this week, before pretty much every state is on the same page next week.

Next week, of course, being what would have been the end of a two week lock down if we'd started it last week.

[Chypmunk]

Someone over here suggested that small children being responsibly taken out for a walk might enjoy a 'bear hunt' during these troubled times. I thought it was a lovely idea so here's our contribution - Fiona, 50 years old and showing her age, but still able to look out the front window and pretend wave....

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[Chypmunk]

The tricky thing for leaders in this situation is that, by definition, they need to issue severe measures before there is an undeniable, manifest reason for them. It's not a great spot to be in. But right now it looks very much like we're simply delaying lock down orders without actually preventing them. I think we clearly need to take this more seriously, but can otherwise appreciate the balancing act people are concerned about. However, the most likely outcome seems to be that they delay the policy rather than avoid it, and it is much less effective as a result.

I worry we're getting the worst of both worlds, where we hold out until it's painfully obvious it needs to happen, and then do it, so we neither avoid that disruption OR get the full benefit of it.

It's feeling very much like it has to get worse for another week, this week, before pretty much every state is on the same page next week.

Next week, of course, being what would have been the end of a two week lock down if we'd started it last week.
We're quite possibly going into lockdown later today (those of us that haven't already voluntarily done so) and I think it probably should have been done a week ago. The only effective way to curtail a virus such as this from becoming completely rampant is to quarantine it and tbh I don't really understand the so-called 'experts' saying that such a measure has to be timed right .... to my mind the longer you leave it the higher the number of people who are already infected becomes and therefore the more of a toll the virus exacts. But I'm just a simple person without letters after my name, so what do I know :shrug:

[Yoda]

Yeah, it's kinda predictable that "everybody please stay indoors" isn't voluntarily adopted enough to be effective, and has to graduate to "okay you have to stay inside now" a week later. I think a keen understanding of culture and human nature would probably just jump to the lock down and take the public opinion hit, but it's tough.

[Austruck]

We are going to go under a nationwide lockdown till 14th April. Doctors, cops and authorities are really doing their best.

The only issues are idiots. And more often than not it's the rich, educated ones. They just do not understand the basics or simply do not care to follow a simple basic rule of staying inside their homes.

Oh, I dunno about that rich-people thing. Around here the idiots are all solidly middle class. I would guess that the rich people have more resources in terms of having things delivered. Plus, their houses are way nicer, so staying home isn't as nerve-racking. :D

[Austruck]

In other words, idiocy is not directly tied to social status or wealth. :D

[Austruck]

Someone over here suggested that small children being responsibly taken out for a walk might enjoy a 'bear hunt' during these troubled times. I thought it was a lovely idea so here's our contribution - Fiona, 50 years old and showing her age, but still able to look out the front window and pretend wave....

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Around here, folks in our church started a window-zoo for kids taking walks around the neighborhood. Their kids drew and colored zoo animals and taped them to their windows. It made the local papers. It's adorable!

https://www.timesonline.com/news/20200322/new-zoo-brings-kids-together-amid-social-distancing-constraints?fbclid=IwAR1rWGbmFjw5EEOzKKPQ3xw6SxuJg0jifrpMTTyCgVncM2J44oxMRtI9VP4

[Yoda]

https://twitter.com/JohnCleese/status/1241774564058652673

[Chypmunk]

Around here, folks in our church started a window-zoo for kids taking walks around the neighborhood. Their kids drew and colored zoo animals and taped them to their windows. It made the local papers. It's adorable!

https://www.timesonline.com/news/20200322/new-zoo-brings-kids-together-amid-social-distancing-constraints?fbclid=IwAR1rWGbmFjw5EEOzKKPQ3xw6SxuJg0jifrpMTTyCgVncM2J44oxMRtI9VP4
Lovely :up:

[The Rodent]

Anyone know, with all this stuff going on at the minute, when the apes are gonna start talking?

[Yoda]

Anyone know, with all this stuff going on at the minute, when the apes are gonna start talking?
https://i.imgur.com/wmwzqsd.gif

[NedStark09]

I had this thought in my brain is pollen gonna end the virus as in there air and things. I keep thinking what will end this is something that doesnt happen till spring in april or may and thats either its just how flus work or pollen is the key or end to all viral air sicknesses

[The Rodent]

I had this thought in my brain is pollen gonna end the virus as in there air and things. I keep thinking what will end this is something that doesnt happen till spring in april or may and thats either its just how flus work or pollen is the key or end to all viral air sicknesses




Immunity is the only thing that can halt something like this.


Problem is, is that we won't ever be immune to CoVid-19.


If you're talking flu and colds, they're a different thing to CoVid-19.
What will happen is everyone on the planet will get CoVid-19 at some point and many will die... then this time next year, is everyone will get CoVid-19 again, but it won't be as bad in terms of deaths.
It'll be a seasonal thing, like flu and cold.


I'm reckoning that when the common cold and flu were new, they killed loads, then after adjustment in the human immune system, they killed fewer... CoVid-19 will do the same.
Kills loads... then the following year, kill fewer.

[Powdered Water]

One good thing coming from this is there are some great vids coming out. Just started checking out David Spade's channel yesterday and found this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMIZ06c2zFA

[Yoda]

I had this thought in my brain is pollen gonna end the virus as in there air and things. I keep thinking what will end this is something that doesnt happen till spring in april or may and thats either its just how flus work or pollen is the key or end to all viral air sicknesses
This is exactly the kind of speculation I have been politely asking you to stop. I'm going to remove this stuff going forward, please rein it in. Thank you.

[Austruck]

I'm reckoning that when the common cold and flu were new, they killed loads, then after adjustment in the human immune system, they killed fewer... CoVid-19 will do the same.
Kills loads... then the following year, kill fewer.

Except the cold virus and the flu virus aren't just a single virus. There are something like 55 different cold viruses, which is why you can get a cold more than once. Or the flu more than once.

With COVID-19, we still don't know how it will act/morph over the next years. Might have to get a slightly different shot every year like a flu shot. You know, once shots are even in the pipeline for the common person.

[Captain Steel]

This is exactly the kind of speculation I have been politely asking you to stop. I'm going to remove this stuff going forward, please rein it in. Thank you.

How about garlic? Have they even tried garlic? Give raw garlic to someone with the virus and see what happens? We need garlic trials.

[MovieGal]

Gotta love this...

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[NedStark09]

I was asking what other people thought in a thread about what possibly could go against and help people against Covid19. I just wont comment on these threads about anything anymore. I'll just do my threads and not bother you with how my stupid mind works. I dont know the answers so its why a person asks questions.

[Yoda]

I don't think it's stupid, I just think it's a bad fit for a situation where nobody knows exactly how this works and getting accurate information can be hard.

We could all do a better job, myself included, of Googling and reading up on things before wondering about them, though. It's just particularly important now of all times.

[NedStark09]

Well my overall attempt is suggesting way does or did all plagues before end in the Spring cause this has the Swine Flu pattern under Clinton but before George W Bush. I was distracted by my cat having kittens at this moment. To answer Yoda comment more quickly

[Miss Vicky]

Well my overall attempt is suggesting way does or did all plagues before end in the Spring cause this has the Swine Flu pattern under Clinton but before George W Bush.

The swine flu pandemic started in the spring. (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/2009-h1n1-pandemic.html)

[cricket]

I've never washed my hands so much and they're all cracked and bleeding.

[Mesmerized]

I've never washed my hands so much and they're all cracked and bleeding.

What are you washing your hands with, sandpaper?

[Mesmerized]

Currently in the U.S.

Coronavirus cases: 54,808

Deaths: 775, R.I.P.

Recovered: 378

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

[Citizen Rules]

I just came back from a long shopping day, ugh! What a weird experience that was....The streets were near empty. The clerks in Wallmart were way stressed out. The shelves were half empty, or half full for the optimist. But why, oh why would people buy out all the flour? Flour? I mean come on nobody bakes these days. Well I do, but I never thought I'd see flour absent from the shelves.

I counted 3 people in Wallmart wearing face mask and in Costco I counted 33. Think about that for awhile. Both stores had about the same number of customers and I spent about 30 minutes in each store too. Very weird I tell ya.

[Austruck]

All the dry goods are leaving the shelves. And people ARE baking. All my friends are doing what they're calling stress-baking. Things like flour, pasta, rice, noodles ... all flying off the shelves. People are thinking long-term stockpiling with items that last.

Ironically, everyone here is reporting that fresh produce is still plentiful. Some are saying it's because they won't touch "loose" foods touched by others. That seems odd, though. You usually wash produce anyway. Are these people washing those cardboard containers of pasta (you know, the cardboard that can apparently hold onto the virus for days)? Are they washing their canned goods when they get home? What about that ground beef? Washing that too?

Anyway, for whatever reason, folks are filling their pantries. That includes flour for cooking and baking.

Meanwhile, I would still like to see a store here that restocks its toilet paper for the under-60 crowd that is not shopping at 6 a.m. :D

[7thson]

Personally as far as this huge trillion dollar bill goes I am pretty disappointed in both parties. Get it done already and leave the extra crap out.

[Captain Steel]

Personally as far as this huge trillion dollar bill goes I am pretty disappointed in both parties. Get it done already and leave the extra crap out.

Right!
Focus on the matter at hand and only that because it's an immediate situation. Lives are in the balance.

(They can always go back to their wish lists and hidden agendas later!) :mad:

[ynwtf]

I just came back from a long shopping day, ugh! What a weird experience that was....The streets were near empty. The clerks in Wallmart were way stressed out. The shelves were half empty, or half full for the optimist. But why, oh why would people buy out all the flour? Flour? I mean come on nobody bakes these days. Well I do, but I never thought I'd see flour absent from the shelves.

I counted 3 people in Wallmart wearing face mask and in Costco I counted 33. Think about that for awhile. Both stores had about the same number of customers and I spent about 30 minutes in each store too. Very weird I tell ya.


Very weird, indeed! I have NO idea how you got in and out of either of those stores in under 30 minutes!

:D

[cricket]

What are you washing your hands with, sandpaper?

After a little research it appears my issue has been the way I've been drying my hands.

[Chypmunk]

After a little research it appears my issue has been the way I've been drying my hands.
Use a towel instead of the poor lil pups in future?

[John McClane]

Horrible horrible news coming out of Spain. :(

[Yoda]

Stimulus package passed. No specifics yet, just broad strokes, but it sounds like it'll be close to what was discussed in terms of short-term cash payments, small business loans, larger industry loans, etc.

Took a few more days than it should have, but still a quick turnaround for something of this size. My hope is that, even if the tangible effect is moderate, it'll help a lot of people calm down and realize things are not falling apart. What we really need--especially in 10-14 days--is buy-in and perseverance from people.

[John McClane]

Stimulus package passed. No specifics yet, just broad strokes, but it sounds like it'll be close to what was discussed in terms of short-term cash payments, small business loans, larger industry loans, etc.

Took a few more days than it should have, but still a quick turnaround for something of this size. My hope is that, even if the tangible effect is moderate, it'll help a lot of people calm down and realize things are not falling apart. What we really need--especially in 10-14 days--is buy-in and perseverance from people.I'm just glad to see the restrictions in place on the corporate side of things.

[Yoda]

A sliver of good news:
https://twitter.com/asymmetricinfo/status/1242835598500651013
It would be particularly nice if all the awful news coming out of New York was, at least, preceding a peak.

[Yoda]

Some possible details about the stimulus (https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/25/politics/senate-deal-stimulus-checks-coronavirus/index.html). Bad news is they probably can't get this many checks out fast enough to provide immediate help, could be over a month:

Lawmakers struck a $2 trillion stimulus deal early Wednesday that includes sending checks directly to individuals amid the coronavirus crisis -- but it will likely take until at least May before the money goes out.

Under the plan as it was being negotiated, single Americans would receive $1,200, married couples would get $2,400, and parents would see $500 for each child under age 17.
However, the payments would start to phase out for individuals with adjusted gross incomes of more than $75,000, and those making more than $99,000 would not qualify at all. The thresholds are doubled for couples.

About 90% of Americans would be eligible to receive full or partial payments, according to estimates by the Tax Policy Center. Lawmakers set aside $250 billion for the so-called recovery rebates.

[TheUsualSuspect]

I've been off work for going on 2 weeks now.


I saw a tweet from Marvel saying that you should watch Avengers Infinity War, then go outside right after the SNAP to experience what it's like.

[Yoda]

Heh, clever.

Regarding the checks taking awhile, I guess it still works pretty well in that it's fast enough for people to put things on a credit card for awhile and still have the money in time to pay it off.

[Yoda]

https://twitter.com/TopherSpiro/status/1242601771131973633

[John McClane]

Heh, clever.

Regarding the checks taking awhile, I guess it still works pretty well in that it's fast enough for people to put things on a credit card for awhile and still have the money in time to pay it off.Provided they are already have a credit card. Or can even get one. Or have available balance. Not ideal, but I get what you're saying.

[QuantezQuiz]

I washed my hands before eating, and made the classic mistake of not wiping my mouth with the paper towel.
Not a mistake you really want to make, with the growing ratio of severe cases.
It seemed like 1 in 700, now it's probably 1 in 200. Luckily, I haven't been around coughing peeps.

[ashdoc]

It is being said in India that it will be less affected because it has herd immunity to malaria. Chloroquine which works in coronavirus is an anti malarial drug.

[Yoda]

It is being said in India that it will be less affected because it has herd immunity to malaria. Chloroquine which works in coronavirus is an anti malarial drug.
Just to be 100% safe, nobody reading this should self-medicate with Choloroquine. IIRC it's lethal if not taken in the correct (small) dosage, and I think we already had one person fall to this.

So, by all means, cautious optimism that we have means to fight it, but only if done by a medical professional.

[Stirchley]

Are liquor stores staying open? (They're kind of an "essential service" for some.)

Yes, they are. I read that they are afraid of what certain people will do if they can’t get booze. Go postal, maybe?

Truck drivers are the backbone of industry. Without them the world would shut down.

Exactly.


Most Dentists have closed up shop - but what if you have an emergency? (M.D.'s, urgent care and hospitals don't do dentistry.)

Haven’t checked with my dentist, but here in CT they are staying open.

DVD stores

Please, mister, what’s a DVD store?

Yoda
You too my friend. The same to all the Americans and Brits in here. We will all come out victorious from this huge battle.

Let’s not forget all our friends from around the world who post here. :)

Horrible horrible news coming out of Spain. :(

Wait, what happened?

Just to be 100% safe, nobody reading this should self-medicate with Choloroquine. IIRC it's lethal if not taken in the correct (small) dosage, and I think we already had one person fall to this.

Forget which state, but it was a married couple in their sixties. She read about it someplace & she & her old man both took it. He’s dead & she’s in critical care. :rolleyes:

[Stirchley]

Oh my, the Prince of Wales is afflicted now. :(

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[Chypmunk]

Meh, Chas is just copying the Prince of Monaco who's had it for a number of days now.

[Stirchley]

Frickin’ sad. This Italian nurse killed herself when she was diagnosed with the virus fearing she had contaminated many others. R.I.P.


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[cricket]

Walked up to the drive-thru window at McDonald's today. I could have went to Subway but I had a coupon for a free Big Mac.

After my last stop I always get an ice coffee at Dunkin'. Due to the circumstances, I went to one inside a gas station/convenience store. While waiting for my treat, I noticed the girl at the gas/convenience register handing things to customers and taking money with her bare hands. Then the girl in my section comes with my coffee, holding it and shaking it with her bare hands. During these times, shouldn't there be some kind of law that people with these types of jobs should wear gloves? Or is that useless if the virus can stick to gloves?

[Stirchley]

https://twitter.com/peterframpton/status/1242481296355532800

OMG, this has made my day. Love this guy!

[John McClane]

Wait, what happened?

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/03/24/820711855/spanish-military-finds-dead-bodies-and-seniors-completely-abandoned-in-care-home

[NedStark09]

I tried reading the so called Stimulus bill and I got a head ache and stopped because none of it really made any since for helping the poor other then sends out checks for some. When Trump first said Stimulus he made it sound like all poor would get one. But seems like the term if qualify will get stimulus

[Stirchley]

⬆️ Jeez, I guess these people forgot their Roman Catholic faith.

R.I.P. to those poor souls.

[NedStark09]

Frickin’ sad. This Italian nurse killed herself when she was diagnosed with the virus fearing she had contaminated many others. R.I.P.


https://www.movieforums.com/community/attachment.php?attachmentid=61902
This breaks the heart. This is why people of all nations should been working together when learned this was capable of spreading and stopping rejecting China help.

[Stirchley]

I tried reading the so called Stimulus bill and I got a head ache and stopped because none of it really made any since for helping the poor other then sends out checks for some. When Trump first said Stimulus he made it sound like all poor would get one. But seems like the term if qualify will get stimulus

Surely you personally will receive a check for $1,200. As a married couple with a qualifying income, me & my old man will receive $2,400.

To tell the truth, we don’t need it & I wonder if they’ll give us the option of declining so the money can be best used elsewhere.

[NedStark09]

I on a fixed income would rather had a 200 raise the democrats or bernie sanders suggested cause means have 1000 each month instead of 850 which I get

[Mesmerized]

Frickin’ sad. This Italian nurse killed herself when she was diagnosed with the virus fearing she had contaminated many others. R.I.P.


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That's horrible. Prayers for her.

[Captain Steel]

Walked up to the drive-thru window at McDonald's today. I could have went to Subway but I had a coupon for a free Big Mac.

After my last stop I always get an ice coffee at Dunkin'. Due to the circumstances, I went to one inside a gas station/convenience store. While waiting for my treat, I noticed the girl at the gas/convenience register handing things to customers and taking money with her bare hands. Then the girl in my section comes with my coffee, holding it and shaking it with her bare hands. During these times, shouldn't there be some kind of law that people with these types of jobs should wear gloves? Or is that useless if the virus can stick to gloves?

I was thinking about gloves the other day - when my bank was still open the tellers were wearing them and I thought how the gloves would only help if they changed them between EVERY item they handled (otherwise they are passing germs from coins to checks to whatever, from one customer to another).

Then I realized the gloves are more for the wearer's protection - with gloves on they are less likely to touch their face - the glove reminds them not to bring their hand up to their eyes, nose, mouth or ears (but as said, unless changed in between every single item handled, they can spread germs like anything else).

[7thson]

Clean hands are better than gloves, no one washes their gloves. They can change them, but it becomes a hassle and expensive for businesses. Wearing them for self protection is fine, but as I mentioned it becomes worse for those receiving the goods they touch.

I always assume what I am being given is contaminated and if possible I wipe it off before taking it. I know that doesnt work with food, but cups, paper goods etc... it is.

I honestly think it is not a good idea to eat take out food at this time, but I know sometimes it is necessary and I cannot say I have refrained completely.

On the stimulus bill - what the hell are they doing now? They are going to offer (some) workers more in unemployment than they make normally? Wont people quit to make more money? I would hope not, but lets not make it enticing. Match wages $ for $ or ush for increased wages but do not make it lucrative to quit. I just do not get it anymore.

If you do not need the checks I would advise not letting the government keep it. Use it to help someone if that is what you want, but do it yourself or donate it to a charity that way you know it gets to the right place.

[Citizen Rules]

...I went to one inside a gas station/convenience store. While waiting for my treat, I noticed the girl at the gas/convenience register handing things to customers and taking money with her bare hands. Then the girl in my section comes with my coffee, holding it and shaking it with her bare hands. During these times, shouldn't there be some kind of law that people with these types of jobs should wear gloves? Or is that useless if the virus can stick to gloves? They should wear gloves and a face mask if serving food, that should be a law during the coronavirus pandameic. If a food handler is just wearing gloves, they will end up rubbing their mouth or nose during the course of the day, and do that while serving food. I'd take my own snacks and my own coffee just to be safe. Besides I don't want anyone sneezing on my fast food.


...If you do not need the checks I would advise not letting the government keep it. Use it to help someone if that is what you want, but do it yourself or donate it to a charity that way you know it gets to the right place.Nice thought, but I don't anyone gives up their free money. If I was wealthy I would, but I'm the working poor, so you guys can give me your checks:p

[Miss Vicky]

Then I realized the gloves are more for the wearer's protection - with gloves on they are less likely to touch their face - the glove reminds them not to bring their hand up to their eyes, nose, mouth or ears (but as said, unless changed in between every single item handled, they can spread germs like anything else).

Yes, gloves are for the wearer's protection rather than the customer's protection. But gloves are in short supply right now. I mostly work at the front desk, but people's credit cards and especially cash are filthy (https://time.com/4918626/money-germs-microbes-dirty/) and with my health issues I'm at greater risk anyway so I need to do whatever I can to protect myself. I've been washing my gloves several times a day (basically just washing my hands with the gloves still on) and changing them only when I know I've handled something foul (like dog feces, for example). And, yes, I have noticed that it keeps me from touching my face which is a huge plus. It's also cut down on my boredom eating, since I've been removing my gloves and washing my hands each time I eat. :laugh:

But regardless of what store/restaurant employees are wearing or not wearing, you should disinfect everything as much as possible because that the virus can be on any surface.

[Miss Vicky]

They should wear gloves and a face mask if serving food, that should be a law during the coronavirus pandameic.

Nice thought, but both of these items are in very short supply right now. Especially masks.

My work hasn't even been able to get surgical masks for awhile now and we need them for doing surgery.

[ynwtf]

On the stimulus bill - what the hell are they doing now? They are going to offer (some) workers more in unemployment than they make normally? Wont people quit to make more money? I would hope not, but lets not make it enticing. Match wages $ for $ or ush for increased wages but do not make it lucrative to quit. I just do not get it anymore.


As I'm reading things, it looks like they've raised the cap to match (up to a point), and extended unemployment from 3 months to 4. So it won't last forever.

[NedStark09]

Clean hands are better than gloves, no one washes their gloves. They can change them, but it becomes a hassle and expensive for businesses. Wearing them for self protection is fine, but as I mentioned it becomes worse for those receiving the goods they touch.

I always assume what I am being given is contaminated and if possible I wipe it off before taking it. I know that doesnt work with food, but cups, paper goods etc... it is.

I honestly think it is not a good idea to eat take out food at this time, but I know sometimes it is necessary and I cannot say I have refrained completely.

On the stimulus bill - what the hell are they doing now? They are going to offer (some) workers more in unemployment than they make normally? Wont people quit to make more money? I would hope not, but lets not make it enticing. Match wages $ for $ or ush for increased wages but do not make it lucrative to quit. I just do not get it anymore.

If you do not need the checks I would advise not letting the government keep it. Use it to help someone if that is what you want, but do it yourself or donate it to a charity that way you know it gets to the right place.
Ive tried using the standard gloves you can get but for me they just dont fit my hands and tear anyways. They didnt have Gloves when old timers did hard work all day. Its simple us soap and scrub a persons dirty hands.

[Stirchley]

If you do not need the checks I would advise not letting the government keep it. Use it to help someone if that is what you want, but do it yourself or donate it to a charity that way you know it gets to the right place.

Someone else advised it too. I will wait until I see the actual check & make a decision then.

[Citizen Rules]

Nice thought, but both of these items are in very short supply right now. Especially masks.

My work hasn't even been able to get surgical masks for awhile now and we need them for doing surgery.Mask are impossible to find, but I've seen plenty of disposable gloves in stores. I was at Home Depot and Costco yesterday and they both had gloves. I bought a box of 100 gloves from Home Depot while I was there (mainly for wood working and staining which is what I do).

[Citizen Rules]

Ive tried using the standard gloves you can get but for me they just dont fit my hands and tear anyways...Me too. The one size fits all disposable gloves won't fit me, I can't even get them on. I usually buy the large size at Costco, though yesterday at Home Depot they had XL size so I bought them. I haven't even opened them up yet.

[ynwtf]

Mask are impossible to find, but I've seen plenty of disposable gloves in stores. I was at Home Depot and Costco yesterday and they both had gloves. I bought a box of 100 gloves from Home Depot while I was there (mainly for wood working and staining which is what I do).

Neat.
Slight thread derailment incoming in 3, 2, 1:

Wood working, eh? You build? Repair? Hobby? Professionally? That's something I wish I knew more about. About as far as I've ever gotten was building frames for some art, or building various wooden cradle panels to paint on. Nothing elaborate though. Nothing functional.

[Citizen Rules]

Neat.
Slight thread derailment incoming in 3, 2, 1:

Wood working, eh? You build? Repair? Hobby? Professionally? That's something I wish I knew more about. About as far as I've ever gotten was building frames for some art, or building various wooden cradle panels to paint on. Nothing elaborate though. Nothing functional.I make wood related items, so I'm always cutting, drilling, sanding, routering, all that fun stuff! On any given day I will be outside in a face mask, gloves, eye protection and a tyvak 'moon suit'...so wearing gloves and face mask out in public is easy for me.

[Miss Vicky]

Mask are impossible to find, but I've seen plenty of disposable gloves in stores.

They've been in short supply in the stores in my area. But regardless even doctors and nurses can't get masks so requiring food service workers to wear them is pointless and will only put everyone in the food industry out of work so my point still stands.

[Stirchley]

Mask are impossible to find, but I've seen plenty of disposable gloves in stores.

Aren’t we being told not to wear a mask if we feel ok? Save them for people who need them the most? I haven’t worn a single mask.

[MovieGal]

I went to Hyvee after work and there was a guy in there wearing a fumigation mask, black rubber gloves and not a piece of skin was showing on his body.. I call that extremely paranoid :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Oh yeah, my co-worker who works closely with me, he called out for a few weeks. The company won't tell us if he has it due to HIPPA regulations.

[NedStark09]

I saw the prince might have the Virus I bet Corona tried to infect the queen but died because she will age but never die.

[Citizen Rules]

They've been in short supply in the stores in my area. But regardless even doctors and nurses can't get masks so requiring food service workers to wear them is pointless and will only put everyone in the food industry out of work so my point still stands.I meant in an ideal situation as in if there were enough mask, hopefully in the near future there will be.

Aren’t we being told not to wear a mask if we feel ok? Save them for people who need them the most? I haven’t worn a single mask.Save them for people who need them? I doubt a doctor wants to wear my used sanding mask. You're a nurse right? You mean you don't wear a mask at the hospital? (I assume you work in the hospital, but you might not of course.)

[Citizen Rules]

...I bet Corona tried to infect the queen but died because she will age but never die.Long Live the Queen!

[John McClane]

I want to see more articles like this one. Nature is ruthless and she is gunning for us. Viruses is this nation’s and this globe‘s biggest threat.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/guid/29C7C682-6EA2-11EA-82CE-84B502831015

[Citizen Rules]

I want to see more articles like this one. Nature is ruthless and she is gunning for us. Viruses is this nation’s and this globe‘s biggest threat.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/guid/29C7C682-6EA2-11EA-82CE-84B502831015OK I read that, what is it in the article that you're agreeing with? I'm not sure if I follow your train of thought on this.

[Captain Steel]

Went to ShopRite today - they've installed clear plastic barriers at the check out aisles - only about 3 feet wide. They were very unobtrusive and hardly noticable. The newspaper said aisles would all be "one way" (get it? no one passing each other or getting face to face) but that hadn't been incorporated at the one I went to.

A curious thing - I found one lone package of Quilted Northern TP (a 12 pack). I think the reason it hadn't been purchased was because it had a $15.99 price under it! I checked, thinking maybe it was just in the wrong place - but nope, it was for the 12 pack. (That price range is usually on the bottom shelf for the mega-sized packs.) The 12 pack is usually about $7.99 when it's not on sale. Looked like a bit of price gouging had gone on.

There were 4 packs of the new ShopRite brand of TP left - I got one & we won't know the quality till we open it, but it was only a couple bucks. Got 1 roll of the cheapo S.R. paper towels and some generic bleach. (Disinfectent cleaners, wipes, spray, hand sanitizer still sold out.)

[John McClane]

OK I read that, what is it in the article that you're agreeing with? I'm not sure if I follow your train of thought on this.I agree with it all. Global warming has allowed things to happen that haven’t happened before and they threaten our way of life. From an economic standpoint a virus is our greatest threat.

Something we can’t see has strained our supply chains and shuttered our dining, entertainment, and travel. Almost over night a virus erased 4 years of stock gains.

That’s my point.

[gbgoodies]

Went to ShopRite today - they've installed clear plastic barriers at the check out aisles - only about 3 feet wide. They were very unobtrusive and hardly noticable. The newspaper said aisles would all be "one way" (get it? no one passing each other or getting face to face) but that hadn't been incorporated at the one I went to.

A curious thing - I found one lone package of Quilted Northern TP (a 12 pack). I think the reason it hadn't been purchased was because it had a $15.99 price under it! I checked, thinking maybe it was just in the wrong place - but nope, it was for the 12 pack. (That price range is usually on the bottom shelf for the mega-sized packs.) The 12 pack is usually about $7.99 when it's not on sale. Looked like a bit of price gouging had gone on.

Did you scan the 12-pack of Quilted Northern to make sure that it wasn't just on the wrong shelf? I know a lot of places are price gouging, but the Shop Rite stores around here still have their normal prices.


There were 4 packs of the new ShopRite brand of TP left - I got one & we won't know the quality till we open it, but it was only a couple bucks. Got 1 roll of the cheapo S.R. paper towels and some generic bleach. (Disinfectent cleaners, wipes, spray, hand sanitizer still sold out.)

We bought the Stop and Shop store brand of toilet paper recently, and we were pleasantly surprised that it was actually a high quality product. But the packs we bought were labels as "Premium", so that might be why they were good quality.

.

[NedStark09]

Hey people use to use catalogs and many other things for wiping so I imagine humans can use paper towels or napkins if need be.

[ashdoc]

61924

There might finally be an explanation for why India and Africa haven’t had much cases yet. Looks like all the malaria infected countries have herd immunity and hence fatality rates are lower. This is probably also the reason why chloroquine is working as a treatment. Check out the world infliction maps above for malaria and COVID - mirror image!!!!

[The Rodent]

In late 2011, the local council allowed a greenbelt to be concreted and turned into houses.
Summer 2012, all the flowers and trees in my local area died.


No birds, no bees.
No flies.
For 8 years, wildlife in the area has been minimal or non-existent.


Humans go into lockdown... and the birds reappear in the thousands within 24 hours, and now, I've got bees in the garden as well after only 3 days.
Big, fat, fluffy white-arsed bumblebees scouting the area for food.

[Chypmunk]

One of the good things about the restrictions over here is a number of people are planting and tending to their gardens as a means of mental well-being (relieving the boredom) which will hopefully prove a boon to insect life and birds in due course.

[The Rodent]

Yep. The thing with bees as well coming back into the area, is that even the gardens that aren't really tended, will start to bloom as well.
More bees is always a good thing.
Without them, we're all dead.
Lockdown isn't just curbing virus deaths, it's helping agriculture.

[Chypmunk]

Might try planting a banana this afternoon. No idea whether or not the skin needs to be taken off so I'll just peel it halfway before burying it.

[The Rodent]

Photos or it didn't happen :D

[Chypmunk]

Just checked ..... no bananas in the house :(
Do have some individual Twirls but tbh planting one of them would be far too much of a wrench I think :D

edit: Ooooh, I could try with one of the wife's glacier cherries :)

[The Rodent]

:laugh:

[Mesmerized]

Currently in the U.S.

Coronavirus cases: 68,594

Deaths: 1,036, R.I.P.

Recovered: 428

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

[NedStark09]

Also while yes having the Virus sucks but also means 66,000 and something are still alive just sick which means more people will get better and I think the recovered number will start going up the warmer the days get. No there is no stat its just my feeling because started happening in China so will here too.

[chawhee]

Ashdoc,

That is an interesting observation, but I'm not sure if the science will back that up as far as immunity goes...also note that a chloroquine study from this week proved that it's effectiveness was statistically insignificant from a placebo.

[Chypmunk]

edit: Ooooh, I could try with one of the wife's glacier cherries :)

61940

Expecting a fully-grown cherry-tree by August at the latest :)

(just hoping it's not too close in proximity to the nougat plant you can just see at the edge of the photo that I tried planting last year)

[ynwtf]

61940

Expecting a fully-grown cherry-tree by August at the latest :)

(just hoping it's not too close in proximity to the nougat plant you can just see at the edge of the photo that I tried planting last year)

I tried planting a photo in the garden too. Never developed into what the picture promised though =\ May you have better luck than I.

[Chypmunk]

I tried planting a photo in the garden too. Never developed into what the picture promised though =\ May you have better luck than I.
It can be a fickle business, as proved by the nougat plant which amazingly proved an abject failure :shrug: