Coronavirus

[Chypmunk]

Over half a million cases worldwide now and some people are finding it amusing to 'pretend cough' at people. There are no words to describe just how pathetic such individuals are.

[WrinkledMind]

The government's package for the poor here is for three months.


I listened to few other authorities and experts and they are implying long time.


Even the press conferences from Singapore, who by the way are handling this admirably, are looking at this as a long thing.


I get a sense that we might be in this till something as long as early June, unless we are fortunate and find a specific cure before that.

[ynwtf]

Still required to come into work, here. We have a lot of space between everyone and there's not that many of us to begin with, but it would be nice to have an employer that didn't think this was a hoax. At least traffic is crazy smooth the last week or so. WOW! That has gone a long way to reduce morning/evening stress just being able to enter highway traffic without issue.

[NedStark09]

As someone who has dry allergy coughs for near all of winter this year I kept hearing the term don't cough in your hands or or sneeze in them and to me that's yuck and why would you when have a hankerchief. And that usually an allergy sneeze which well is allot at once so when done get a new clean hanky. With an allergy cough you don't really have any mucus so its nothing but noise so nothing goes on your hankerchief.



People will say Hankerchief's carry germs its why you get white ones and clean in oxy clean an bleach. To be honest best invention in all germ issues is hand wipes over hand santizer . I never figured why a persons hands should be considered safe by putting aloe vera looking gunk on your hands.


Just wash ever time you gonna eat and after you the lou. But my sister is germ scared and needs all kind of odd things when washing is enough. What my ramble today is for. Nothing just that invest in hankerchiefs if going out and gonna sneeze or think will. Never cough at anyone joke or other wise cause rude and just keep your hands clean.

[Chypmunk]

Still required to come into work, here. We have a lot of space between everyone and there's not that many of us to begin with, but it would be nice to have an employer that didn't think this was a hoax. At least traffic is crazy smooth the last week or so. WOW! That has gone a long way to reduce morning/evening stress just being able to enter highway traffic without issue.
Don't forget to slow down when approaching the occasional green light though or whenever normality is returned it'll be that much more of a culture shock for you ;)

[ynwtf]

Off topic, but branching off Ned's post, when I was in grade school I used to make puppet rabbits out of handkerchiefs.

[Chypmunk]

Off topic, but branching off Ned's post, when I was in grade school I used to make puppet rabbits out of handkerchiefs.
Oh Em Gee, what a small world - when younger I used to make puppet handkerchiefs out of rabbits :eek:

[Mesmerized]

Currently in the U.S.

Coronavirus cases: 75,665

Deaths: 1,100, R.I.P.

Recovered: 1,863

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

If these numbers are correct, it would appear the number of those recovering from the virus is greater than the number of those dying.

[NedStark09]

I think I said that should be a good sign from virus positive and that number is what you want see rise in the term recovering. But I imagine Arizona Texas and California will recover more faster because get hot faster then the east does but we have heat haze and no its not LA smog. Its when its hot you see waves in the air from heat.

[TheUsualSuspect]

It finally happened, been laid off.

The wife is considering going back to work early to help with some financial troubles. She's still on maternity leave.

[Chypmunk]

Sorry to hear.

[doubledenim]

Our guy at work came back positive :(


To anyone being glib about this, I hope you don't ever need a ventilator you won't be able to get.

[John McClane]

Over half a million cases worldwide now and some people are finding it amusing to 'pretend cough' at people. There are no words to describe just how pathetic such individuals are.Best watch out: That's how ya get brought up on terrorism charges.

[Mesmerized]

Best watch out: That's how ya get brought up on terrorism charges.

Assault with a deadly weapon. A felony.

[Citizen Rules]

I think I said that should be a good sign from virus positive and that number is what you want see rise in the term recovering. But I imagine Arizona Texas and California will recover more faster because get hot faster then the east does but we have heat haze and no its not LA smog. Its when its hot you see waves in the air from heat.It's not proven that warm weather will kill CV or even slow it down. It might cause more people to gather in groups and further spread it.

[Yoda]

Currently in the U.S.

Coronavirus cases: 75,665

Deaths: 1,100, R.I.P.

Recovered: 1,863

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

If these numbers are correct, it would appear the number of those recovering from the virus is greater than the number of those dying.
Oh, geez, I'd sure hope so. Some of the more pessimistic death rates are a few percentage points, though by "recovered" do you mean only among those who had to be hospitalized?

It finally happened, been laid off.

The wife is considering going back to work early to help with some financial troubles. She's still on maternity leave.
Sorry dude. :( Hang in there. We're getting some slivers of good news that suggest this level of disruption might be weeks and not months, at least.

[ynwtf]

It finally happened, been laid off.

The wife is considering going back to work early to help with some financial troubles. She's still on maternity leave.

Man, I'm sorry to hear that. =\ Doesn't seem appropriate to click the like button to show some kind of support/sympathy, but this needs to be acknowledged somehow. Post is all I know what to.

=\

[Yoda]

It's not proven that warm weather will kill CV or even slow it down. It might cause more people to gather in groups and further spread it.
Yeah, this is speculation at best, and we already have some rough data to suggest this is not the case, or at least not at all something to rely on.

Insofar as people want to just be cautiously optimistic, okay, but nobody should behave as if anything like this will help us or save us.

[Mesmerized]

It finally happened, been laid off.

The wife is considering going back to work early to help with some financial troubles. She's still on maternity leave.

Sorry to hear about this. I would immediately apply for unemployment or worker's comp.

[NedStark09]

Like with flu just because have something doesnt mean that case means your dead. I know its not a Flu but Im lets say speaking in hope term here. Every person is different like DNA and a finger print.



So one flu virus can effect people differently. I have no record or charts Im going by my gut here I think extreme heat or cold will kill this virus. Or Virus like all things has a course and it will run out.


Oh back to my Persons different deal. What I mean is some yes well get sick and cant withstand and attack like this virus because immune system is ****.


But I think some people have bad cases and some have mild. Im just saying if get the virus your life isnt over. You can still come back. Stay strong and never give up on hope on anything.

[Mesmerized]

Oh, geez, I'd sure hope so. Some of the more pessimistic death rates are a few percentage points, though by "recovered" do you mean only among those who had to be hospitalized?

I keep checking the numbers thinking it's a misprint. It's a big change over the numbers I posted earlier today. It could be that those who were hospitalized for having breathing problems have recovered. I really don't know. But I'll keep an eye on these numbers.

[John McClane]

Assault with a deadly weapon. A felony.I'm not joking. You can legitimately get brought up on terrorism charges.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/03/25/821371963/man-faces-terror-charge-after-allegedly-coughing-toward-worker-citing-virus

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/489495-police-missouri-man-charged-with-making-terrorist-threat-for

[Citizen Rules]

I'm not joking. You can legitimately get brought up on terrorism charges.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/03/25/821371963/man-faces-terror-charge-after-allegedly-coughing-toward-worker-citing-virus

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/489495-police-missouri-man-charged-with-making-terrorist-threat-forI believe it. It would be morally wrong and totally stupid to cough on a stranger and tell them you have coronavirus.

[John McClane]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/03/26/coughing-grocery-store-coronavirus/

https://www.abc27.com/news/local/carlisle-west-shore/carlisle-man-facing-charges-for-deliberately-coughing-near-elderly-citizen-wearing-medical-face-mask/

[Chypmunk]

Best watch out: That's how ya get brought up on terrorism charges.
Why're you telling me to watch out? I suggest you re-read my post.

[Citizen Rules]

Originally Posted by John McClane (https://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?p=2077234#post2077234)
Best watch out: That's how ya get brought up on terrorism charges.
Why're you telling me to watch out? I suggest you re-read my post.I'm pretty sure John McClane meant the indefinite form of 'you' and not the personal form. I believe he was agreeing with your post.

[Chypmunk]

I'm pretty sure John McClane meant the indefinite form of 'you' and not the personal form. I believe he was agreeing with your post.
He'd have been better using 'they' then, avoids any possible confuddlement.

All kewl as long as nobody was suggesting I'm akin to those scuzzballs.

[ashdoc]

https://www.zoomtventertainment.com/hollywood/article/desperately-seeking-susan-actor-mark-blum-dies-at-69-due-to-coronavirus/570051

Mark blum dead due to coronavirus

[John McClane]

I'm pretty sure John McClane meant the indefinite form of 'you' and not the personal form. I believe he was agreeing with your post.

He'd have been better using 'they' then, avoids any possible confuddlement.

All kewl as long as nobody was suggesting I'm akin to those scuzzballs.Bingo and bingo.

I'm so used to the indefinite form of you, and I save they for other situations.

I wasn't allowed to use "you" the entire time I was in college, so I'll be damned if I stop now that I can use it. You just gotta deal with it. :p

[Sedai]

I wasn't allowed to use "you" the entire time I was in college,

I make it a point everyday to smash the Overton window any chance I get.

[7thson]

You guys stop it :).

[Chypmunk]

Bingo and bingo.

I'm so used to the indefinite form of you, and I save they for other situations.

I wasn't allowed to use "you" the entire time I was in college, so I'll be damned if I stop now that I can use it. You just gotta deal with it. :p
No problem dealing with it. I'll just call you out every time there's an implied slur as a result :p

[ynwtf]

sl'your?

[NedStark09]

Problem with Americans is and modern generation is they have no fear so when told to do something they ignore it because now young adults have no fear and thats because modern era has no fear because never feared the belt or switch. Americans have bunch of kids unless in the army dont listen to anyone because dont listen at home.


Saddest thing will be 3 years after this is over there will be memes and show an ugly side to the fact humans have short memories and move onto the next big event. and forget those effected by it. We remember 9-11 because news wont let us forget.

[John McClane]

Problem with Americans is and modern generation is they have no fear so when told to do something they ignore it because now young adults have no fear and thats because modern era has no fear because never feared the belt or switch. Americans have bunch of kids unless in the army dont listen to anyone because dont listen at home.


Saddest thing will be 3 years after this is over there will be memes and show an ugly side to the fact humans have short memories and move onto the next big event. and forget those effected by it. We remember 9-11 because news wont let us forget.Gross generalization and over simplification.

Government leaders had data in front of them that told them this was going to be bad, but their only concern was how it would affect the free market. I’m honestly surprised that Trump didn’t take this virus as an opportunity to shut down our boarders at the outset of the Wuhan news.

If he had, no one would be criticizing him now. And if they were it’s because they don’t know the first thing about biology and propagation.

[NedStark09]

Wasnt trying to be gross its quite clear the people wanting to not stay home were people that didnt listen to anyone. I apologize if came off Gross.



Most tragic thing is people will move onto next disaster after this bad time ends.

[Captain Steel]

Gross generalization and over simplification.

Government leaders had data in front of them that told them this was going to be bad, but their only concern was how it would affect the free market. I’m honestly surprised that Trump didn’t take this virus as an opportunity to shut down our boarders at the outset of the Wuhan news.

If he had, no one would be criticizing him now. And if they were it’s because they don’t know the first thing about biology and propagation.

The borders should have been shut down on 9/12/2001 and not reopened until all immigration issues were sorted out and the system was revised and reformed.

[Captain Steel]

I was looking at a local neighborhood web site and someone made a post that said while they were out walking their dog, they saw one of their neighbors having a huge party - dozens of cars all up & down the street in front of the house & in the driveway - loud music playing, lots of murmuring voices inside & out, etc.

They said they "reported" it. (I guess that means the called the police? The post never went into detail, only said a few hours later the cars were gone and the noise had stopped).



I took my neighbor's dog for a walk last night (as I do each week), passed one house with a big Brazilian flag and a sign on the door in large colorful letters saying "Tutto Andra Bene!"

Also passed a wooden fence that had a giant, yellow "Emoji Ball" stuck between it's slats (it was a smiley-tongue-out face) - written in black marker on it was "We'll get through this!":)

[John McClane]

I will only say I have a suspicious nature so my mind goes to crazy corners in times like these. And you thought I was just going to blurt it out?

Nope, not happening.

[Captain Steel]

I will only say I have a suspicious nature so my mind goes to crazy corners in times like these. And you thought I was just going to blurt it out?

Nope, not happening.

Don't know what that means - but you get a thumbs up for piquing the interest! ;)

Oops! Didn't realize you sent a PM when I typed that last line.
Yes, lots of theories (nothing is impossible these days).
I won't believe or support anything without sufficient evidence or until verified, but at the same time I won't rule anything out either.

[NedStark09]

Today I had a cough or rather have had a cough since winter and since a cat of ours had 6 kittens and couldnt get rid of them. Lots of stray cats in this state and wild dogs. Anywho My sisters boyfriend asked me to wash better cause didnt wanna catch Corona from me and he is the one who works out at walmart every day. I cannot convience him that allergy cough is dry tickle in the throat and to which no mucus comes from the chest.

[7thson]

I know this may be considered a bit of speculation, but I did do research on the numbers as best I could.

I am not going to lie I am a bit worried for Florida. I mean I am worried for everyone, but statistically speaking we could be in for a bad time in the sunshine state if one extrapolates the numbers.

As of this post we have 2484 positive cases of Covid 19. Given that as a state we have tested approximately 27,000 people with a population of 21.3 million it is difficult to even get a grasp on it. How many are positive and do not even know it? The average age in Florida is around 42 years with around 1/4 of the residents coming in at over 65. This puts the vulnerable (due to age) number at a very scary place.

Add to all of this that the Governor is being pretty lackadaisical when it comes to social distancing. I occasionally check the web cams on the beaches here and there are still people hanging out in crowds. My son's girlfriend works at a bingo hall and they are still having games going on. I sure hope people know what they are doing because if we get hit with numbers like New York we are in trouble.

Oh and do not forget hurricane season is not far off.

I try not to be pessimistic but I also think mitigation is on the back burner down this way when it needs to be in the front of everyone's mind.

[NedStark09]

I have no charts or big science journals. Fact is no one can say what will happen in 2 months with this but I just have a feeling that all things Virus and so on run its course. Life goes on and while its a nice easy story to say all of us stop and stay home dont work. issue is this whole world cannot just stop a year.



We need food and farming time is coming. Its a nice idea to say stay home but people have to work cause need money.Democrats and Republicans know we cant just stop and the world just waits for things.


The world moves and the seasons come and go no matter what we do. All Seasons come and go and so will Virus 's and storms to come. We all will endure because its what humans do. Even actors who say stay home have contracts to do movies and get paid at a job.



Sure doesnt look possible life returns to normal. Im saying we will have to brave this world because why should just the people who keep us alive be only at risk.


Im not passing on facts or my opinions of what will happen to us all. Im just saying life will return and dont give up on this wonderful thing called life.

[MovieBuffering]

I know this may be considered a bit of speculation, but I did do research on the numbers as best I could.

I am not going to lie I am a bit worried for Florida. I mean I am worried for everyone, but statistically speaking we could be in for a bad time in the sunshine state if one extrapolates the numbers.

As of this post we have 2484 positive cases of Covid 19. Given that as a state we have tested approximately 27,000 people with a population of 21.3 million it is difficult to even get a grasp on it. How many are positive and do not even know it? The average age in Florida is around 42 years with around 1/4 of the residents coming in at over 65. This puts the vulnerable (due to age) number at a very scary place.

Add to all of this that the Governor is being pretty lackadaisical when it comes to social distancing. I occasionally check the web cams on the beaches here and there are still people hanging out in crowds. My son's girlfriend works at a bingo hall and they are still having games going on. I sure hope people know what they are doing because if we get hit with numbers like New York we are in trouble.

Oh and do not forget hurricane season is not far off.

I try not to be pessimistic but I also think mitigation is on the back burner down this way when it needs to be in the front of everyone's mind.

Nice what part of Florida? I'm north of Tampa about 60 miles on the Gulf. I also work in healthcare as a x-ray/MRI tech. Thankfully I work at a steady but not crazy clinic and not at the hospitals right now. Actually working towards getting my MRI license and need a few more exams to take my registry and was going go work at a hospital to get the exams I need on the side. However, I think I will wait for this to blow over first lol.

I think Florida will be fine. The only thing that is concerning is all the retired old folks down here and I live near the epicenter The Villages, that place is growing and growing and getting older and older lol. But Florida has a lot of space unlike NY or Chicago where everyone is crammed in. I actually don't think the beach is a bad place to go as long as it's not packed. Healthcare is huge business down here I think we will be prepared.

[Mr Minio]

Looks like sh*t hit the fan in the US. You'll be the leading nation in yet another thing in 3 weeks, I predict. Take care.

EDIT: Sheeet. You already are!

[7thson]

Nice what part of Florida? I'm north of Tampa about 60 miles on the Gulf. I also work in healthcare as a x-ray/MRI tech. Thankfully I work at a steady but not crazy clinic and not at the hospitals right now. Actually working towards getting my MRI license and need a few more exams to take my registry and was going go work at a hospital to get the exams I need on the side. However, I think I will wait for this to blow over first lol.

I think Florida will be fine. The only thing that is concerning is all the retired old folks down here and I live near the epicenter The Villages, that place is growing and growing and getting older and older lol. But Florida has a lot of space unlike NY or Chicago where everyone is crammed in. I actually don't think the beach is a bad place to go as long as it's not packed. Healthcare is huge business down here I think we will be prepared.

I am in Pensacola. I think things will be fine in the long run as well, but I am worried that an unnecessary amount of people may get sick due to unsafe practices. I hope you are right about being prepared, I see 50 healthcare workers all crammed together doing drive thru testing for maybe one car every 15 minutes. I know that is just here and they are wearing PPE, but I cannot help think it is a bad idea.

Anyway not trying to be all doom and gloom and maybe it will pass with not many getting sick here but the lack of prudence is still alarming in itself.


Good luck on your license :).

[Chypmunk]

Typical Trump. On the day the USA sadly became the country having the most cases of any country in the world:
"Beautiful day. It's a tribute to the amount of testing that we're doing, we're doing tremendous testing. And I'm sure you're not able to tell what China is testing or not testing."
:facepalm:

[chawhee]

Make America Great Again! Great at unemployment, great at contracting coronavirus.....I kid, I kid.....we also hold the record for most detected cases in a day (if that couldn't be deduced from the posts so far)

[Taz]

UK PM Bozo tests positive. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52060791


Prime Minister Boris Johnson has tested positive for coronavirus.

Mr Johnson said he had developed mild symptoms over the past 24 hours, including a temperature and cough.

He is self-isolating in Downing Street but said he will "continue to lead the government's response via video-conference as we fight this virus".

Following Mr Johnson's announcement, Health Secretary Matt Hancock also said he had tested positive for the virus.

[NedStark09]

I tend to look at the positive in all these reports of the virus who has it. And that is our death rate is down. We have more cases but treatable people means alive people and we are ahead in not having 8 thousand or 4 thousand dead people currently just 1,200. Its not good anyone is dead but we are getting improvements in people recovering. In my state we have 76 postive and rest no virus and people who had it were people coming home out of state. Its not speculation its on our local news from Gov.

[Sedai]

I am stunned by the amount of people still not seeing a correlation between the ramping up of testing and the detected cases.

[ynwtf]

I am in Pensacola. I think things will be fine in the long run as well, but I am worried that an unnecessary amount of people may get sick due to unsafe practices. I hope you are right about being prepared, I see 50 healthcare workers all crammed together doing drive thru testing for maybe one car every 15 minutes. I know that is just here and they are wearing PPE, but I cannot help think it is a bad idea.

Anyway not trying to be all doom and gloom and maybe it will pass with not many getting sick here but the lack of prudence is still alarming in itself.


Good luck on your license :).

Small world. You're both just a few hours away (7th being a few hours less, of course!). I'm in the SE corner of Alabama. My sister lives in ...er.. somewhere around Pensacola. Never been to her house so not sure. But my dad lives in the panhandle too. My mom's mom and sister (mom's) both live maybe an hour east of Tampa.

We should all meet somewhere in the middle and go drunk canoeing! Cuz that's a thing 'round these here parts.

[ynwtf]

I am stunned by the amount of people still not seeing a correlation between the ramping up of testing and the detected cases.

Forgive me. Coffee is still only slowly kicking in. What are you referring to?

[Yoda]

I am stunned by the amount of people still not seeing a correlation between the ramping up of testing and the detected cases.
Yeah, this. Trump has said a lot of inaccurate things, but expressing skepticism about China's reporting is reasonable. Not that it matters too much towards our behavior, since whether we're first or second or third in confirmed cases really doesn't alter that, or shouldn't.

For context, China's numbers seem to have fallen off a cliff, and then they were soon reporting zero new cases, which seems a little implausible. Maybe they really clamped down and it worked, or maybe they're just lying. We can be pretty certain they hid a lot of important details at the start of all this (ones that certainly cost lives all over the world), so I definitely wouldn't take what they're saying at face value, for the moment.

[ynwtf]

^thx

[NedStark09]

I think the most shocking thing is people think Trump who is a business person not career Politican would not aim to reopen the USA at some point least by May at the latest.



Take Hollywood it cant stay shut down for half a year. Lots of movies budgeted and tv series and if waited a year Hollywood would be bankrupted as well as all these businesses. Yes life sustaining businesses stay open. Stimulus checks can only be sent 2 checks at most.



Jobs need come back cause no nation can stay locked down more then 2 months. Its just shocking to me people thinks we can all stay home and money just can be restarted and made later. The USA looks overwhelmed and cant be safe but people just see a person with it means there dead. 80 percent of people with it are like Tom Hanks with mild symptoms. News people dont mention people who die didnt have a bad disease like cancer or an illness before hand.


So tired of seeing politics being more important then saving lives and getting people there jobs back by finding a cure. Or seeing everyone make these estimated death charts on the news. news gives people no hope what so ever. I dont like trump but now is not the time not to work with your president.

[NedStark09]

Yeah, this. Trump has said a lot of inaccurate things, but expressing skepticism about China's reporting is reasonable. Not that it matters too much towards our behavior, since whether we're first or second or third in confirmed cases really doesn't alter that, or shouldn't.

For context, China's numbers seem to have fallen off a cliff, and then they were soon reporting zero new cases, which seems a little implausible. Maybe they really clamped down and it worked, or maybe they're just lying. We can be pretty certain they hid a lot of important details at the start of all this (ones that certainly cost lives all over the world), so I definitely wouldn't take what they're saying at face value, for the moment.
Something happened cause in mid april they are reopening 600 movies theaters in china and rereleasing Avatar and all MCU Avenger Films.

[Yoda]

I'm willing to believe it's not as bad as it was there, but I'm not sure I buy that it fell off a cliff and hit zero that quickly.

I also would totally buy that they'd rush re-opening things too fast to save face. They've already done a lot of dangerous and dishonest things to save face.

[Daniel M]

Yeah, pretty strange times at the moment. I'm in quite a fortunate position in that I'm a Web Developer so all my work can be done at home and I'm still employed full-time. I've got a laptop, two monitors, and a VPN to access work machines too via Remote Desktop. Where I live has a lot of space and comfortable furniture, so it's ideal for this situation. That's not to say it's without it's challenges, not getting distracted can be tough and work has its lulls, but overall I've been very productive I think.

I actually think the UK government has done a decent job. Lots of political point scoring as to be predicted, but I do think the government is acting in our interests and so far the support has been quite good. 80% subsidised wages for "furloughed" workers including the self-employed, as well business loans and grants. Some people are complaining about ease of access and waiting times, but I think in such a large scale unprecedented situation it's to be expected that the system won't be perfect. Hopefully the good will of others and very low cost borrowing can support people too at least short term.

Personally I have found the situation okay for my mental health, I have my good days and bad days. I was normally spending most evenings a week outside the house so it's a bit strange being home with no sports or social activities, I miss playing pool and wish I had a table in my house. I've been watching a few films as you'd suspect, and want to hopefully get back to some previously "parked" activities such as reading, drawing, and writing.

[resopamenic]

i feel bad for jokin uk situation right now.
but i cant resist..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqrAPOZxgzU

[Sedai]

Forgive me. Coffee is still only slowly kicking in. What are you referring to?

Sorry, I am up and down here at work and just now getting a chance to address this. Yoda pretty much already responded in a similar way to how I would respond. My point is that people are freaking out when seeing the numbers, as if the virus is suddenly raging out of control, when instead, we are just now bringing evidence to light that it was never really under control, and that perhaps a larger portion of people with the virus have little or no symptoms.

[Mesmerized]

and that perhaps a larger portion of people with the virus have little or no symptoms.

I hope it stays that way. The less people experience symptoms the better.

[ynwtf]

Sorry, I am up and down here at work and just now getting a chance to address this. Yoda pretty much already responded in a similar way to how I would respond. My point is that people are freaking out when seeing the numbers, as if the virus is suddenly raging out of control, when instead, we are just now bringing evidence to light that it was never really under control, and that perhaps a larger portion of people with the virus have little or no symptoms.

^thx II, the Sequel'ning.
(to relate this all to movies, somehow)

:D

[Sedai]

I hope it stays that way. The less people experience symptoms the better.

Especially if it helps to ramp up herd immunity to the virus, which I am fairly sure we need to happen eventually.

[Hey Fredrick]

Something happened cause in mid april they are reopening 600 movies theaters in china and rereleasing Avatar and all MCU Avenger Films.

Some had already re-opened. They are closed again.

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-china-orders-all-movie-theaters-to-close-again-2020-3?op=1

https://news.yahoo.com/china-closes-movie-theaters-again-145900674.html

[Chypmunk]

Is it wrong to really want Nepal to go back to having just the one case that fully recovered?
Them losing their 'green' status on Worldometers a few days back strangely made me sadder than all the horrible numbers being reported elsewhere. For me they were a beacon of light in a sea of blackness.:(

Really hoping somewhere can hit a 100% recovery rate again, even if only briefly.

[Yoda]

https://twitter.com/AlanMCole/status/1243557329112641537

[Citizen Rules]

The herd immunity hypothesis is not a given that it will take place and protect the overall population. The coronavirus is so new that its behavior in the population can't be predicted accurately. There's no hard evidence that someone who has recovered from coronavirus has immunity from future re-infections. Though it's possible that they could develop some form of immunity. On the other hand it's also possible coronavirus could, like some flu strains, mutant each season and so be able to reinfect people.

With highly contagious viruses like measles, 90% of the population needs to have immunity to prevent big outbreaks. With social distancing and shelter in place programs, people will be less likely to come in contact with coronavirus, meaning there will be a large percentage of the population who will still be at risk for catching coronavirus in the future.

Once a vaccine has been found it will take 18 months for testing before being available to the general population. Then the manufactures have to ramp up production and get 100's of millions of people vacationed, before the coronavirus can be stopped. Two years of this pandemic is possible and that's if they can find a vaccine quickly, otherwise it could be longer.

I'm not trying to be dismal about this, but I am trying to be realistic. All over the internet and media I see people trying to grapple with this frighting pandemic and I see a lot of myths popping up like warm weather will kill the virus off...It's best to be informed, take precautions and find solace in what ever type of inner strength or faith one has...and keep your fingers crossed too.

[Yoda]

https://twitter.com/chicoharlan/status/1243580698751119364
No word on how many of the thousand people who died in Italy perished from media panic-mongering.

[Citizen Rules]

It's being reported that 1000s of people in Iran drank methanol falsely believing it would prevent them from catching coronavirus, so far over 300 of them have died.

[Stirchley]

I see people are putting teddy bears in their windows. Is there some significance to this?

[Yoda]

I see people are putting teddy bears in their windows. Is there some significance to this?
Yep:

https://time.com/5809613/bear-hunts-coronavirus/

[Stirchley]

⬆️ Awww, that’s so cute. Thanks.

[Sedai]

Yep:

https://time.com/5809613/bear-hunts-coronavirus/

Will do this when I get home tonight. :)

[Chypmunk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gyI6ykDwds

[Stirchley]

I saw the prince might have the Virus I bet Corona tried to infect the queen but died because she will age but never die.

The Queen of England will die one day, but let’s not go there. Morbid thoughts.

You're a nurse right?

What ever gave you the idea that I’m a nurse?

I get a sense that we might be in this till something as long as early June, unless we are fortunate and find a specific cure before that.

In my mind, this entire year will be devoted to the coronavirus. I see no escape from it in 2020.

It's not proven that warm weather will kill CV or even slow it down. It might cause more people to gather in groups and further spread it.

This is the problem where I live. Predominantly Spanish & they’re now “coming out of the woodwork”, as it were because the winter is over. I see no evidence at all that they understand exactly what social distancing is or that they are taking precautions. They are happy gregarious people, but this is not the time to be in gatherings.

Today I had a cough or rather have had a cough since winter and since a cat of ours had 6 kittens and couldnt get rid of them.

For the love of God get your cat fixed! That’s why there are stray cats!

It's being reported that 1000s of people in Iran drank methanol falsely believing it would prevent them from catching coronavirus, so far over 300 of them have died.

Are you kidding me!!!

[Citizen Rules]

...Are you kidding me!!!I know it's a strange thing to think people would do this but it's being reported.

Hundreds dead in Iran after consuming methanol thinking it was coronavirus protection (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/hundreds-dead-in-iran-after-consuming-methanol-thinking-it-was-coronavirus-protection/ar-BB11NxvR)

[Stirchley]

⬆️ Madness.

[Chypmunk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlh7vaVyvZA

[The Rodent]

Well, it's hit home.



My sister-in-law has caught it.
She's a nurse with the NHS.


My brother though, if he gets it, which he probably will now... he has a heart condition.
Family is crossing fingers and toes atm.

[Stirchley]

⬆️ So sorry to hear this news. Keep us updated please.

[Yoda]

Sorry, Rodent. :( Hope she gets through this. Please thank her for me/us, for doing such important work.

[The Rodent]

Will do guys. Thanks for the support :)

Just got of the phone, they say they're ok but keeping a tight track of symptoms for now.

[doubledenim]

Well, it's hit home.



My sister-in-law has caught it.
She's a nurse with the NHS.


My brother though, if he gets it, which he probably will now... he has a heart condition.
Family is crossing fingers and toes atm.


That's unfortunate, I'm hoping for a swift turnaround. I worry about my sister as well. It's hard for me to fathom, but these people have a calling not unlike a soldier. They walk into dire situations knowing that their well-being takes a backseat to the greater good.

[Sedai]

Jeez The Rodent, so sorry to hear this. Sending my best your way.

[Chypmunk]

Wishing them all the best Rodent, may it be mild and swiftly recovered from.

[7thson]

Small world. You're both just a few hours away (7th being a few hours less, of course!). I'm in the SE corner of Alabama. My sister lives in ...er.. somewhere around Pensacola. Never been to her house so not sure. But my dad lives in the panhandle too. My mom's mom and sister (mom's) both live maybe an hour east of Tampa.

We should all meet somewhere in the middle and go drunk canoeing! Cuz that's a thing 'round these here parts.

I'm game once this is all over. Cant do the drinking (a few years sober now), but I can still make a fool of myself and can be around others drinking no prob.

Best of luck to you and your family Rodent.


On a side note I currently use a CPAP machine for sleep apnea. I do not use it every night like I should, sometimes I just cant get to sleep with it on. Anyway it appears as if you have COVID it makes it a lot easier to spread the virus. Since many people have no idea if they have it or not they might want to isolate themselves to a separate room if possible when using thir machine. Of course I am not a doctor so I suggest asking a medical professional any specific questions but I just wanted to make anyone on a CPAP aware. I personally am going to forgo using my machine right now unless I have trouble and if I do I will use our guest room. I know all of us with sleep apnea cannot do that so just be careful out there.


https://aasm.org/coronavirus-covid-19-faqs-cpap-sleep-apnea-patients/

[Yoda]

More on the seasonal flu comparison (https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/health/coronavirus-questions-answers/):

Why worry about coronavirus when the flu kills many more people?
The novel coronavirus is dangerous for several reasons, even if the number of deaths haven’t matched that of the flu.

The first US case of coronavirus was reported in January, and the first US death from coronavirus was reported in late February. By March 26, the US had more than 78,000 cases of coronavirus, and at least 1,135 people have died.

Since this flu season started October 1, more than 23,000 Americans have died from the flu, according to CDC estimates. Nationwide, the flu has infected at least 34 million people between October and mid-March.

But here are key differences when comparing the flu vs. coronavirus:

The CDC estimates for the flu go back to October 2019. But the first US case of coronavirus didn’t emerge until several months later.
Coronavirus is twice as contagious as the flu. Research indicates a person with the flu infects an average of 1.28 other people, CNN Chief Medical Correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta said. But with coronavirus, “it’s likely between two and three” other people.
Coronavirus infections have a “very high mortality rate – one in six – among people who are over 80 and people with underlying chronic disease,” epidemiologist Dr. Abdul El-Sayed said.
People with coronavirus might not get symptoms for 14 days, and some get no symptoms at all. But during that time, they’re still contagious and can infect others unknowingly.
A vaccine is available for the flu, but no vaccine is available for coronavirus. Experts say the number of flu deaths could be drastically reduced if more people got their flu shots. But about half of Americans don’t get vaccinated, including most children who die from the flu.
It's obviously reasonable to ask the question, but we have to listen to the answer, too.

[7thson]

I curve doesnt look all that flat to me


https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

[NedStark09]

Im not trying to be Tom Clancy or make this an Oliver Stone plot but in some countries can we trust what the real stats are to live die and recovering from this problem. My overall guess is it will take till June to finally kick the Virus here. I have no proof but i fully believe heat of summer will be a factor. It very possible china never did recover as fast or would report set backs. If your Country is rid of it then why still wearing masks as if nothing has changed.

[Captain Steel]

Sorry, I am up and down here at work and just now getting a chance to address this. Yoda pretty much already responded in a similar way to how I would respond. My point is that people are freaking out when seeing the numbers, as if the virus is suddenly raging out of control, when instead, we are just now bringing evidence to light that it was never really under control, and that perhaps a larger portion of people with the virus have little or no symptoms.

The numbers will definitely rise for those infected as testing increases - and, relative to the population, we've barely begun to scratch the surface with testing.

So, number-wise it's going to look a lot worse in the near future and keep looking that way for at least a couple more weeks (the same way it would for stats that just started tracking any communicable disease).

After a while, though, the numbers in the "recovered" column will begin to rise and will keep rising.

Even now, the number of Recovered cases exceeds the number of Deaths by almost 5 times!

Since we are in this early stage, there's no way to tell for sure, but right now statistics say that the chances of dying after contracting Corona virus (from Corona virus) are between 0.5% and 1%.

[Sedai]

Just ran across this:

Italy and The Flu - Highest Mortality Rates in Europe (https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(19)30328-5/fulltext)

The Coronavirus being extra rough there makes sense...

[Captain Steel]

Im not trying to be Tom Clancy or make this an Oliver Stone plot but in some countries can we trust what the real stats are to live die and recovering from this problem. My overall guess is it will take till June to finally kick the Virus here. I have no proof but i fully believe heat of summer will be a factor. It very possible china never did recover as fast or would report set backs. If your Country is rid of it then why still wearing masks as if nothing has changed.

One thing that troubles me is: a reason flus tend to recede in warmer weather (not the only reason, but a big one) is people start going outside more and making more space between each other (as opposed to being congregated indoors).

Outdoors is safer, spread-wise, because of open space, wind & the elements, and there are less touchable surfaces - and the surfaces outdoors are usually exposed to the elements (sun, UV radiation, wind, rain, percipitation, evaporation, etc.) so probably can't host flu germs very long.

But with governments starting to order and enforce shelter-in-place orders, closing beaches, parks, or parking lots for various outdoor places... a lot less people are going to get outside or go to outdoor venues or put more outdoor space between them and others. Restricting people from outdoor venues may actually keep more people within more spreadable environments.

[Stirchley]

⬆️ The Kingdom of Jordan in the Middle East has ordered its citizens to stay inside 24/7 upon threat of arrest.

[Stirchley]

Does anyone else like Peter Frampton? He has the funniest twitter post about washing his hands in his kitchen. Can’t post a link - you have to be on twitter to see it.

[NedStark09]

The Queen of England will die one day, but let’s not go there. Morbid thoughts.



What ever gave you the idea that I’m a nurse?



In my mind, this entire year will be devoted to the coronavirus. I see no escape from it in 2020.



This is the problem where I live. Predominantly Spanish & they’re now “coming out of the woodwork”, as it were because the winter is over. I see no evidence at all that they understand exactly what social distancing is or that they are taking precautions. They are happy gregarious people, but this is not the time to be in gatherings.



For the love of God get your cat fixed! That’s why there are stray cats!



Are you kidding me!!!
Oh gee you know if only i knew you could have a cat fixed. Its called being low on money. Here in WV standard fee is 250.00 to fix a female cat

[ashdoc]

https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/india/coronavirus-pandemic-400-million-indians-to-be-infected-by-july-report-suggests-start-of-community-transmission-5079281.html

400 milion indians to be infected by july ?.....says a report .

[Mesmerized]

Currently in the U.S.

Coronavirus cases: 100,392

Deaths: 1,543, R.I.P.

Recovered: 2,465

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

[Miss Vicky]

But with governments starting to order and enforce shelter-in-place orders, closing beaches, parks, or parking lots for various outdoor places... a lot less people are going to get outside or go to outdoor venues or put more outdoor space between them and others. Restricting people from outdoor venues may actually keep more people within more spreadable environments.

Yes, and no. The environment is "more spreadable" indoors, but spread is less likely if the only people you're in contact with are the people you live with anyway. If you and your family/roommates/etc don't have corona and you stay indoors and don't interact with other people, you're not going to get it. If you or someone you live with do get it, you're less likely to spread to anyone outside your home if you're not interacting with anyone else.

[Stirchley]

Oh gee you know if only i knew you could have a cat fixed. Its called being low on money. Here in WV standard fee is 250.00 to fix a female cat

I financially support my local animal shelter & I do a lot of TNR (trap, neuter & release). I have spent hundreds of dollars of my own money doing this.

In Connecticut you can get a state voucher & pay as little as $100 for a spay/neuter. Maybe WV offers the same thing? Go online & look. Mind you, I live in a poor city & $100 is a ton of money for many people here.

But your cat can become pregnant 2-3 times a year until it dies. Now you have her & 6 kittens. The kittens can get pregnant at 4 months old so do the math.

You mentioned the stray cats. This is because people don’t get them fixed.

Do you have a local shelter? Call them & they will most likely take momma in & her kittens. Keep in mind: don’t feed to breed.

[MovieGal]

Ppl must be bored

here is to you Mr Minio

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[Mr Minio]

Ppl must be bored Hey, MovieGal, I'm short of breath, and it's either Corona or you look stunning! :love:

[Stirchley]

Why is it called COVID-19? Why 19?

[Captain Steel]

Hey, MovieGal, I'm short of breath, and it's either Corona or you look stunning! :love:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXydX9p_ZxA

[Mesmerized]

Why is it called COVID-19? Why 19?

I think it's an acronym for Coronavirus disease 2019

Coronaviruses were named in 1968 for their appearance in electron micrographs which was reminiscent of the solar corona, corona meaning crown in Latin.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus_disease_2019

[Stirchley]

⬆️ Thanks!

[Citizen Rules]

Did you guys know that viruses have been around for at least 300 million years? And that they border on being alive? They can't reproduce on their own but require a host to assimilate their DNA and reprogram the host cells to create my viral copies. That makes them Borg like...

[Captain Steel]

Did you guys know that viruses have been around for at least 300 million years? And that they border on being alive? They can't reproduce on their own but require a host to assimilate their DNA and reprogram the host cells to create my viral copies. That makes them Borg like...

I met one of those virus bugs... I named him Hu... after he began to use his new name and refer to himself in the first person singular, I felt bad about having to destroy him by wiping him off the toilet seat with bleach! ;)

[MovieGal]

Hey, MovieGal, I'm short of breath, and it's either Corona or you look stunning! :love:

luv ya too My Pancake King.... Stay safe and healthy!

[NedStark09]

Any Chance we wont get the so called STimulus checks until Christmas or something. Or Congress will need a bill to deside when poor people get the checks

[Chypmunk]

Another cruise ship affected (MS Zaandam) I see this morning. Feel really sorry for those on seagoing vessels which are impacted - many of us now know how it feels to be 'caged up' in our own houses for a while but I imagine that's a picnic compared to being pretty much confined to a tiny cabin ..... especially an inside one.

[NedStark09]

Well not really caged up because you still get to go to see doctors or go to get food items for the Store. Truth is worst part here is you can get what you want to eat cause where i live there is never any corn meal flour or chicken meat yogurt or ice cream. You gotta be on time to just get eggs and butter.

[Chypmunk]

Yeah, that's why I put caged up in ' '. I'll eat whatever we can get, though tbh as yet we've only encountered the odd item that's temporarily unavailable and they've all been easily substitutable.

[NedStark09]

But In a Since Smaller places like where we live dont have the food trucks to bring all we need here. because the bigger places gets the better food stalkings. We all know whole world short on toilet paper and flour products. I wonder if the food is suddenly back in stores better when the stimulus goes out or online places say fully stalk was the shortegies just a scam by political people to get bills passed

[Mr Minio]

luv ya too My Pancake King.... Stay safe and healthy! https://media.giphy.com/media/5z5NIlNjK0NxpsecKh/giphy.gif

[Hey Fredrick]

Is hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin about to be fast tracked? Start prescribing off label? My understanding of these reports is they "cure" MOST of the patients while also reducing the time infected patients act as carriers. French doctors have been using this combination on a few patients and:

"There is a critical and urgent need for an effective treatment in order to cure symptomatic patients but also to decrease the duration of virus carriage and thus limit transmission in the community...The shortest observed duration of viral shedding among survivors was eight days, whereas the longest was 37 days (18). Therefore, a treatment enabling the viral carriage to be cleared and COVID-patients to be clinically cured at an early stage would help limit the transmission of the virus.

"Twenty cases were treated in this study and showed a significant reduction of the viral carriage at D6-post inclusion compared to controls, and much lower average carrying duration than reported of untreated patients in the literature. Azithromycin added to hydroxychloroquine was significantly more efficient for virus elimination.

Conclusion

"Despite its small sample size our survey shows that hydroxychloroquine treatment is significantly associated with viral load reduction/disappearance in COVID-19 patients and its effect is reinforced by azithromycin."

So far they have released two reports.
First report (20 participants):
https://drive.google.com/file/d/186Bel9RqfsmEx55FDum4xY_IlWSHnGbj/view

Second report (80 participants):
https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/COVID-IHU-2-1.pdf

In related news, Mylan is ramping up production of Hydroxychloroquine:

https://www.marketwatch.com/press-release/mylan-ramps-up-us-manufacturing-of-hydroxychloroquine-sulfate-tablets-to-meet-potential-covid-19-patient-needs-2020-03-19

And finally maybe someone in New York has heard of this? I couldn't find anything online linking to official reports so it may be nothing but I did find the Dr and he is in New York.
https://i.imgur.com/kHjqAd9.png?1https://i.imgur.com/AvFi89c.png?1

[Yoda]

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[chawhee]

Yeah, I'm starting to see these hydroxychloroquine studies pop back up in to the discussion. Should be interesting to see if it the trials can be reproducible.

[NedStark09]

People where I live Idea of Quarantine is cutting grass with riding mowers and cutting up tree limbs and so on for wood chips for there gardens next month.

[cricket]

People where I live Idea of Quarantine is cutting grass with riding mowers and cutting up tree limbs and so on for wood chips for there gardens next month.

Tick season is kicking, got a couple on me yesterday. It's like we're not safe anywhere.

[Mesmerized]

Currently in the U.S.

Coronavirus cases: 121,043

Deaths: 2,020, R.I.P.

Recovered: 3,231

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

[NedStark09]

I dont wanna comment but I still think the recovery number being ahead of death number is a good thing. Swine Flu Killed 12,000 and I have checked that number 14 times. But wonder why Swine flu wasnt more talked about in 2009

[NedStark09]

Tick season is kicking, got a couple on me yesterday. It's like we're not safe anywhere.
Sad thing is a person could survive this thing and run down crossing a street by someone running a red light. Life is a harder thing then people think and i really think lucky pays into all peoples lives

[Yoda]

Very good chart illustrating the different death trajectories with lines to show what kind of trajectory is required to double every day, or two, or three, etc:

https://twitter.com/aaronecarroll/status/1244059746103164930

[NedStark09]

Im Sorry but guessing who will die next or how many is a society based on numbers caring less about people dying. Sad to say all the deaths in the USA and over seas will be used in political games over helping to end this thing. I think there stat is ignoring the bottum number of people recovering is still ahead each day and really its about even. Also no one is talking about the biggest number and thats yes people have it but those people are still alive. people need not write off and assume the worst
I say people need be praying more then bleeding into charts right now/

[Captain Steel]

I have a cousin (former Merchant Marine & world traveler) who is now stuck in India.
He was supposed to get a flight back to the U.S. today, but it was canceled. All I know is he's staying at an "Airbnb."
He may be stuck quite a while as he was supposed to return to New York (and, if so, would probably have been quarentined for a couple weeks), but his current home is in Florida, so he might have been banned from returning there from NY & India.
It could conceivably be months before he sees his residence, kids or relatives again.

To make matters worse, we just found out he lost his cell phone - but was able to contact his sister somehow.

Why he wanted to go to India is beyond me (as far as I know, this was a trip for pleasure, not business or out of necessity).
Of all the countries to get trapped in right now, India is one of the last places I'd want to be.
Obviously, his timing was poor - but I guess no one saw this coming.

[resopamenic]

My curiosity is not expecting this.
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[NedStark09]

I just been wondering if anyone in this whole world that dont know about the Covid 19 outbreak and A part of me wonders if people should not know about the virus at all. I know it is a virus killer but part of me would been just as fine not knowing if this was a global end of days deal. Id like live last weeks days or hours in peace.

[Yoda]

Im Sorry but guessing who will die next or how many is a society based on numbers caring less about people dying.
This isn't true at all. First, it's not a guess: it's very simple math. Second, it's made specifically by people who care about the people dying. It exists to demonstrate the risks in hopes of minimizing death. And it helps a lot more than complaining about people being rude on the phone or pontificating endlessly about What This Says About Us.

I say people need be praying more then bleeding into charts right now/
Ever hear Saint Augustine's saying that we should "pray as if everything depended on God, but work as if everything depended on [us]"? That would seem to apply here. This is not either-or.

[7thson]

I agree with Yoda about the numbers thing in relation to caring about people dying or not. I am not that great at math, but I love statistics and its a good thing we have calculators. When I was in the Army I ran a lot of numbers to include the status of a soldier during the Gulf War. From emergency leave to death by friendly fire I had to keep track of everyone in our Battalion and those attached to us. The numbers were important for many reasons which included readiness, but it also gave me a perspective on the things I was a part of and actually made me think about it all more which in turn made me "care" quite a lot.

I do get the sentiment N.S. is mentioning and seeing the numbers on the TV screen and people like Hillary making totally callous remarks about it all are not in the majority. At least that is not the feeling I get.

[NedStark09]

Sorry If come off cold about the whole death part. Im just trying to be optimistic that the recovery numbers is a good thing too. But worst part is whole thing likely could have been more under control. Id like to have hope that is all that world can be it if believe in mother nature or God or whatever devine being . That some how this world will always sets its self right. I wish had better words in a crisis as to why this happened. I'll Just do this
Dear Lord I prey for all those who have loved ones who have this virus or lost any. Dear lord heal the sick and end this killer virus. Also dear lord give comfort and love to all those in grief. Amen and bless all the MOFO people.

[Yoda]

I get it, it's frustrating to hear all this talk abstracted. It's a serious and personal thing that we have to be cold and calculating about to minimize. Tough to do, just as people.

Appreciate the thoughts, Ned.

[Miss Vicky]

Id like to have hope that is all that world can be it if believe in mother nature or God or whatever devine being.

If prayer helps you, that's wonderful. Keep doing it. But please cut out this "everybody needs to pray" and "this is the fault of non-believers" rhetoric. It's insulting and doesn't really help anybody.

But worst part is whole thing likely could have been more under control.

Yes, it could have. But it wasn't. So we have to deal with the reality of what's happening now and not dwell on what could have been. But maybe do keep it in mind come in election time.

[Citizen Rules]

Ned and Yoda, I appreciate both of your guys input.

I appreciate Yoda's factual information which helps me wrap my head around this pandemic and I can see from the charts and stats that he post and from his analytical abilities, that there is hope at the end of the tunnel.

I appreciate Ned's stream of consciousness post as he gives me insight into the fears and the hopes of many people who are trying to deal with the pandemic. That's something I wouldn't have access to otherwise.

Both of you guys have very different posting styles, but both of you have good intentions. I think there's room for all types of post and not all post will interest all people. But so far this thread has been helpful to me.

[NedStark09]

If prayer helps you, that's wonderful. Keep doing it. But please cut out this "everybody needs to pray" and "this is the fault of non-believers" rhetoric. It's insulting and doesn't really help anybody.



Yes, it could have. But it wasn't. So we have to deal with the reality of what's happening now and not dwell on what could have been. But maybe do keep it in mind come in election time.
Thats fine if its what you believe in. Some believe in God other believe like the Native American in many spirits or ancestors. Weither a person believes in one being or just luck. I just think positive attitude and belief in a better outcome is all wish for anyone. I know many people who lost faith so your stance doesnt bother me. I just wont shove it on anyone anymore.

[John McClane]

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Look how much my screen time jumped when we started moving people to remote work.

[Mesmerized]

Fauci Estimates That 100,000 To 200,000 Americans Could Die From The Coronavirus

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/03/29/823517467/fauci-estimates-that-100-000-to-200-000-americans-could-die-from-the-coronavirus

The harsh reality.

[gbgoodies]

Sad news coming from the country music world today. :(

Country Music Legend Joe Diffie Dead Due to Coronavirus Complications (https://www.eonline.com/news/1135596/country-music-legend-joe-diffie-dead-due-to-coronavirus-complications)


Joe Diffie - So Help Me Girl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr2YRMQDmzA

[7thson]

Sorry If come off cold about the whole death part. Im just trying to be optimistic that the recovery numbers is a good thing too. But worst part is whole thing likely could have been more under control. Id like to have hope that is all that world can be it if believe in mother nature or God or whatever devine being . That some how this world will always sets its self right. I wish had better words in a crisis as to why this happened. I'll Just do this
Dear Lord I prey for all those who have loved ones who have this virus or lost any. Dear lord heal the sick and end this killer virus. Also dear lord give comfort and love to all those in grief. Amen and bless all the MOFO people.

I do not think you come off as cold I just wanted to give my stance on it all, and you go ahead and pray all you like. I thank you for the kind words and your thoughts.

[NedStark09]

Im not as positive at the moment WV had its first Death today and 88 year old women. And Im hearing lots of people from New York want to come south to Florida. Its in all 50 states and so its not really gonna help flooding people from N.Y. It will just bring more virus to states who has lesser cases

[NedStark09]

I fear the states are gonna have to close boarders and just allow food and medical supply trucks to other states and do a nation wide curfew set at 7pm

[Yoda]

More slivers of good news, not so much in the sense that things won't get worse over the next few weeks, but in the sense that it might not be as bad as it could be:

https://twitter.com/EconTalker/status/1244645436188692484

[Mesmerized]

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M*A*S*H units

[7thson]

More slivers of good news, not so much in the sense that things won't get worse over the next few weeks, but in the sense that it might not be as bad as it could be:

https://twitter.com/EconTalker/status/1244645436188692484


Good info and it helps reinforce the importance of social distancing. I had a doctors appointment at the VA today and they had a pretty well setup pre-screening process. The only problem I saw with it is that it would be easy to lie and still get in, but if people are honest it would certainly help I think. I almost did not go to the appointment and I informed them of being sick earlier in the month and my negative Covid test.

While I was out at my appointment driving there and back I saw so much going on that would normally not even catch my attention at all. I saw construction people in large groups doing various jobs around the city. Not keeping distance from each other at all. I saw people getting gas and touching the pump handle then touching their faces. I saw three different people do this as I waited in line to get gas. I went inside after getting gas to get a soda, but immediately turned around and left because those in line to pay were all right up on each other. There was so much traffic, it was like hey nothing going on around here. I certainly would have not been out if I did not need to be but I had to get lab work done. My next Dr appointment is going to be done over the phone which I think is a good idea.

I hear on the news about people hanging out in groups in Louisiana coming over from Texas because the stuff there is closed. The Governor there (in Texas) has put up travel restrictions for those coming from LA, but what good does that do if their own residents go hang out over there in crowds and then come back.

https://www.kplctv.com/2020/03/29/abbott-announces-new-travel-restrictions-combat-covid-/


People are still attending large church gatherings.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/louisiana-pastor-holds-church-service-with-hundreds-of-people-despite-governors-coronavirus-ban/

There are "Covid 19" parties all over the place - this is just one that got news because people got infected, but they are common enough to be worrisome.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/24/health/kentucky-coronavirus-party-infection/index.html


I think one of the biggest difficulties for a lot of people is that they love their freedom. I personally don't get it. If they are not worried for themselves they should be for their families and vulnerable people. it just seems so selfish to me.

Anyone remember this of Myth Busters episode? It puts a light on how easily germs are spread.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wPKBpk7wUY

Be smart out there everyone. I know some of us cannot help but go out because of work or many other reasons, just do so safely please - for yourself and everyone else.

[Hey Fredrick]

Was texting with my cousin yesterday, he lives in the burbs and he says he went to Walmart and it was dead compared to the normal weekend traffic. He said quite a few of the folks at the store were wearing gloves and masks. So some places are treating this more serious than others. Compare that to where I am and the police are driving around to parks and playgrounds breaking up get togethers. A park three blocks away was PACKED last week. It was like nothing was going on, we just decided to cancel work and school for the fun of it. B-ball games, kids playing on the equipment, etc. Then you look at the heat map of the positive cases and the most serious outbreak in town starts about five blocks away from that playground. A big red blob of infection! It's insane.

[Sedai]

Some countries are beginning to use technology to install some fairly draconian methods of data/people tracking.

Invasive New Data Collection (https://www.businessinsider.com/edward-snowden-coronavirus-surveillance-new-powers-2020-3?utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=topbar)

[Citizen Rules]

I just read that in my state, Washington, a church choir defied state quarantine orders and kept practicing. The results: 45 of the choir members now have the coronavirus and 3 have died.

News story link (https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-03-29/coronavirus-choir-outbreak)

I also read while churches all over America are safely conducting services via the internet, in Louisiana where there's a ban on meetings of 50 or more people, a large church stays open in violation of the ban. Over 1200 people attend services in this one church, despite the risk.

News story link (https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-03-29/louisiana-church-defies-covid-19-order-holds-sunday-services)

[Wyldesyde19]

Stay at home order issued for Maryland residents. Effective at 8 pm. I need to get ahold of my job now and find out what the plan is for today since I work 4pm-12pm. Half day and then shut down?

[John McClane]

Some countries are beginning to use technology to install some fairly draconian methods of data/people tracking.

Invasive New Data Collection (https://www.businessinsider.com/edward-snowden-coronavirus-surveillance-new-powers-2020-3?utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=topbar)Yo, did you see the measures Poland has taken? The irony of them using big government surveillance is unnerving. If it can happen there of all places it can happen anywhere.

https://www.businessinsider.com/poland-app-coronavirus-patients-mandaotory-selfie-2020-3

[Stirchley]

My curiosity is not expecting this.
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I have to say in all honesty that I never understand a single one of this person’s posts. It must be me though.

Fauci Estimates That 100,000 To 200,000 Americans Could Die From The Coronavirus

Coming from Fauci, that is bad news indeed.

And finally maybe someone in New York has heard of this? I couldn't find anything online linking to official reports so it may be nothing but I did find the Dr and he is in New York.
https://i.imgur.com/kHjqAd9.png?1https://i.imgur.com/AvFi89c.png?1

Monroe, NY is one of the towns north of NYC where Orthodox Jews live. Many of them were involved in the anti-vaccinations controversy last year. I probably wouldn’t go by anything this doctor says.

Sad news coming from the country music world today. :Joe Diffie - So Help Me Girl

I never heard of him, but R.I.P.

I just read that in my state, Washington, a church choir defied state quarantine orders and kept practicing. The results: 45 of the choir members now have the coronavirus and 3 have died.

Idiots. Our archbishop in Connecticut is now prohibiting us from handing sandwiches to hungry people. They come to the rectory door, we slide out a couple of sambies & they go on their way. No physical contact. But archbishop tells us that when all the sambies are gone from the fridge & freezer that is it.

[Mesmerized]

I just read that in my state, Washington, a church choir defied state quarantine orders and kept practicing. The results: 45 of the choir members now have the coronavirus and 3 have died.

News story link (https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-03-29/coronavirus-choir-outbreak)

I also read while churches all over America are safely conducting services via the internet, in Louisiana where there's a ban on meetings of 50 or more people, a large church stays open in violation of the ban. Over 1200 people attend services in this one church, despite the risk.

News story link (https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-03-29/louisiana-church-defies-covid-19-order-holds-sunday-services)

In Pennsylvania, the church is exempt from the stay-at-home orders.

[Stirchley]

⬆️ There’s no cap whatsoever on the # of people in the church?

[Citizen Rules]

In Pennsylvania, the church is exempt from the stay-at-home orders.That's ridiculous of Pennsylvania to do. Might as well exclude movie theaters, crowded malls and keggers too.

[Mesmerized]

⬆️ There’s no cap whatsoever on the # of people in the church?

What do you mean?

[Stirchley]

⬆️ You said the church is exempt from stay-at-home orders. Ergo, it means that people can attend church. So how many people at one time?

[Miss Vicky]

In Pennsylvania, the church is exempt from the stay-at-home orders.

:tsk:

Such a foolish thing to do.

[Mesmerized]

⬆️ You said the church is exempt from stay-at-home orders. Ergo, it means that people can attend church. So how many people at one time?

No not exactly. All the churches are closed and Masses canceled. It simply means the church is exempt from government rule. However, some parishes are doing drive through confessions as permitted by the local bishops.

[John McClane]

Abbot has seen a 24% increase in their share price over the last week: 10% was just from today after announcing a new rapid COVID-19 test yesterday.

Just remember: there are people making millions off this ****.

[Sedai]

Yo, did you see the measures Poland has taken? The irony of them using big government surveillance is unnerving. If it can happen there of all places it can happen anywhere.

https://www.businessinsider.com/poland-app-coronavirus-patients-mandaotory-selfie-2020-3

Yea, I think Snowden mentioned that in that other article, as well.

[NedStark09]

I know this may sound stupid but couldnt you still do movies just limit so many people per showing and screen.


The Most a movie on a sunday where I got when busy might have 20 to 30 people but that be a Avengers movie even.


Most times a new release on a sunday at noon have 15 max. Me and my friend when go sit in same row but 2 seated gap because well were well portly.


I dont see why Wrestlemania cant have some people in a large stadium just make sure people are not seated side by side.


Im not talking new york or l.a but smaller out break of Covid19

[Yoda]

You can't let people in and just "make sure" of anything. What are you gonna do, force people apart? What if they fight you on it? Then your security staff is at risk, too. The only way to make sure is not to allow it.

You don't do it because it creates a situation you can't control. The same way armies during a cold war try not to even get within shooting distance, because you don't know when someone's going to do something jumpy or irrational.

[NedStark09]

Abbot has seen a 24% increase in their share price over the last week: 10% was just from today after announcing a new rapid COVID-19 test yesterday.

Just remember: there are people making millions off this ****.


Well there lots a people that put money in a collection plate thinking that will save them or forgive then for something they feel guilty for. So people now think if pay money the priest can have god get my job back or end the virus.


Well lets say some churches has this manor of paying for things through collections. A bad preacher can really cheat people during a time like this.

[cricket]

My wife's been seeing some clients by FaceTime but still going to the office for most. That's ending after today. I'd rather she be home with the dogs anyway. More cooking and I don't have to rush home from work to take them out. Still full hours for me, and they're paying us an extra 10% until this blows over.

[NedStark09]

You can't let people in and just "make sure" of anything. What are you gonna do, force people apart? What if they fight you on it? Then your security staff is at risk, too. The only way to make sure is not to allow it.

You don't do it because it creates a situation you can't control. The same way armies during a cold war try not to even get within shooting distance, because you don't know when someone's going to do something jumpy or irrational.


Well true but this definately should be considered when people are told to go back to events. I think distancing at events be a good idea

[John McClane]

You can't let people in and just "make sure" of anything. What are you gonna do, force people apart? What if they fight you on it? Then your security staff is at risk, too. The only way to make sure is not to allow it.

You don't do it because it creates a situation you can't control. The same way armies during a cold war try not to even get within shooting distance, because you don't know when someone's going to do something jumpy or irrational.Everybody want front tickets but nobody wanna pay front row ticket prices. :yup:

[Stirchley]

However, some parishes are doing drive through confessions as permitted by the local bishops.

Hilarious. Sounds like a scene from a Fellini movie.

Well there lots a people that put money in a collection plate thinking that will save them or forgive then for something they feel guilty for.

That’s why we have confession in the Catholic Church. No amount of money in the collection basket will absolve us of sin.

[NedStark09]

Well most confessions are private or open public arent they.

[Yoda]

What does "private or open public" mean?

I'm having a lot of trouble following most of these posts, man.

[Stirchley]

Well most confessions are private or open public arent they.

Confessions are never “open”. Either behind a screen or face-to-face with a priest, which does not appeal to me in the slightest.

[Mesmerized]

Hilarious. Sounds like a scene from a Fellini movie.


Well, the way it works is the priest sits in his car in the parking lot and people either drive or walk up to his car and then the priest hears their confessions. It's really a wonderful thing to have in these dark times.

[Mesmerized]

I know this may sound stupid but couldnt you still do movies just limit so many people per showing and screen.


No. The virus is highly contagious. It can remain in the air for 3 hours. One little cough or sneeze from an infected person and a whole lot of people are going to breathe in the virus.

[TONGO]

I just wanted to share my view on the coronavirus and how it affects my life going forward, I am open to criticism on this.


I kind of am resolved that I'm going to get the Coronavirus. It spreads as easily as the flu spreads or colds, and you might not get the flu every year but you will get it sometime or another. I feel that the best case scenario is that they're going to develop something along the lines of a flu shot which will help people from Contracting it, but no permanent immunity to it.



Since it's not going to go away in my opinion I feel the quarantining and staying indoors is no real solution long-term. The best thing I could probably do is strengthen my own immune system by quitting smoking, eating healthier, exercising, taking vitamins, Etc....


I work outdoors and it's in the Sun mostly hot and I hear that that is not the ideal conditions for the virus to spread. I'm pretty much of a homebody anyway.


I do worry for my dad and stepmom, they are elderly. And I'm hoping that this thing ends up being cyclical or seasonal like the flu.


Just thought I'd throw my two cents in cuz I've been trying to make light of this hoping to ease a lot of worry and paranoia, but it was probably just "too soon", especially since the pandemic is ongoing. Sincere apologies if making light of this rubbed someone the wrong way.

[Mesmerized]

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[Captain Steel]

Since it's not going to go away in my opinion I feel the quarantining and staying indoors is no real solution long-term. The best thing I could probably do is strengthen my own immune system by quitting smoking, eating healthier, exercising, taking vitamins, Etc....


Hi Tongo and welcome back!

Just wanted to respond to this one point - I think the scientists realize that the virus will be with us for a long time and we'll have to find ways to deal with that.

That being said, the "shut down" right now is really to just try to "flatten the curve": to keep the hospitals from becoming overwhelmed.

We'll have to adapt to new conditions - like having more hospital beds, ventilators, PPE, etc. But since we don't have enough right now (or enough in the right places) - slowing the viral spread provides time to get better prepared for a much higher, more constant influx of flu & respiratory patients.

One thing we'll probably have to adapt to is a greater death count from flu every year (to include Covid-19) just as we've come to "accept" that tens of thousands of Americans will die in the U.S. every year of the "common" flu. At the same time, we'll adapt to preventative measures and hopefully new treatments or vaccines.

It's a shame that this will probably mark the end of the handshake in our culture (maybe we'll adopt the Native American hand in the air... even if it was a Hollywood contrivance?)

[Stirchley]

Well, the way it works is the priest sits in his car in the parking lot and people either drive or walk up to his car and then the priest hears their confessions. It's really a wonderful thing to have in these dark times.

I can say without a doubt that the Archbishop of Connecticut would never go for this.

Who needs to go to confession anyway? These days only a mortal (serious) sin requires confession. I just went to confession, but it will probably be my very last one. So uncomfortable going to confession.

[Mesmerized]

I can say without a doubt that the Archbishop of Connecticut would never go for this.

Who needs to go to confession anyway? These days only a mortal (serious) sin requires confession. I just went to confession, but it will probably be my very last one. So uncomfortable going to confession.

It's true you dont have to go to confession to confess only venial sins. Nevertheless, the Church recommends confession of venial sins. It's good for the soul.

CCC #1458 Without being strictly necessary, confession of everyday faults (venial sins) is nevertheless strongly recommended by the Church. Indeed the regular confession of our venial sins helps us form our conscience, fight against evil tendencies, let ourselves be healed by Christ and progress in the life of the Spirit. By receiving more frequently through this sacrament the gift of the Father's mercy, we are spurred to be merciful as he is merciful.

[Citizen Rules]

The coronavirus is seemingly highly contagious. The more news stories that come to the forefront the more I realize just how highly contagious it is. Consider this sad newstory:

news story link (https://nypost.com/2020/03/30/family-of-17-reportedly-gets-coronavirus-after-attending-funeral/)
A British family is urging people to take social distancing measures seriously after 17 of its members apparently caught the coronavirus at the funeral of a relative who died of the illness, according to a report...
MoFos please safe guard your health, safe guard everyone's health by taking the pandemic & social distancing seriously.

[Mesmerized]

So uncomfortable going to confession.

The fact that it makes you uncomfortable is probably all the more reason why you should go. There's nothing to be embarrassed about. It's something you eventually get used to doing. If you're not comfortable confessing to your priest, go to another priest at a different parish. Doing that which makes you uncomfortable makes you stronger.

[Yoda]

That's reasonable, Tongs. I don't think anyone thinks this is a long-term solution. The biggest issue is the sudden demand on the health care system. We need to weather that, but once we have things get a lot better. Even if it takes awhile to get a vaccination, we'll get better/faster/more available testing, more public awareness, more masks made, et cetera. This initial rush is the really important part because it's the part that could be a shock to the system, and ripple down to all sorts of other people who need health care and can't get it for a time.

I very much think of this as something we have to do for the next few weeks or couple months, just to give people in health care and other logistical outfits time to prepare and catch-up, since it spreads so unbelievably fast (another way in which it differs from the flu).

[Captain Steel]

Bloody Catholics! ;)

[Citizen Rules]

Bloody Catholics! ;)Monty Python?

[John McClane]

All I know is when the American version of the Chinese social credit score finally hits our shores that these asshats that hoarded toilet paper get a sizable ding to their score.

Like I wanna see the rich dick hoarders stuck buying coach plane tickets because they bought too much hand sanitizer and toilet paper.

Then I’ll believe in a just world.

[Mesmerized]

Currently in the U.S.

Coronavirus cases: 162,665

Deaths: 3,126, R.I.P.

Recovered: 5,254

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

[Stirchley]

The fact that it makes you uncomfortable is probably all the more reason why you should go. There's nothing to be embarrassed about. It's something you eventually get used to doing. If you're not comfortable confessing to your priest, go to another priest at a different parish. Doing that which makes you uncomfortable makes you stronger.

I’ve never gotten used to it. This last time will be my last time. As soon as the priest hears my British accent he knows it’s me. I could go someplace else, I know.

Bloody Catholics! ;)

There’s a non sequitur if ever I saw one.

[Guaporense]

Guap what methodology did you use to come up with 150 million for #2 scenario? Did you calculate that yourself? Or from the internet.

The world has about 7.5 billion people. The coronavirus is expected to infect something like 50 or 75% of the population of Germany, UK, US, if it is not suppressed. Its mortality rate is about 1% if the health system is not overwhelmed but if the health system cannot accommodate most people with the virus then the fatality rate goes up to 3-4%. If 50 to 75% of the world is infected and the fatality rate is 3-4% then roughly 113 million to 225 million would die. That represents an upper bound estimate on how many could die.

Recent evidence shows that the virus fatality rate is lower as many more people are infected but have mild symptoms or are asymptomatic. So the upper bound should be re-estimated when we have better statistics. Germany is doing random testing to estimate actual mortality rates so we have to wait for their data. Overall it first appears that the fatality rate is closer to 0.2-0.3% instead of 1% so the upper bound in global fatalities is now estimated to be about 40 million.

*edit: grammar

[Captain Steel]

Monty Python?

Ding!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDBjsFAyiwA

[Stirchley]

This is a page from This Day, which is a little book of Roman Catholic prayers & readings for every day of the month. These are written months before current events & are mailed out every month. In my cupboard right now I already have April & May. So there’s no mention of the coronavirus.

But this is what’s odd. Here’s a photo of a page from today’s prayers. It seems so prescient & strange that this randomly popped up today.

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[Stirchley]

Another thing that’s worrying about all this is that, at least where I live, doctors are cancelling annual physicals. Most likely this year I will not have an annual physical, see my ob/Gyn, have a mammogram, or have my eyes examined. I expect my dermatologist’s office any day now to cancel my annual visit at the end of April.

[Captain Steel]

I'm still taking issue with "curfews."

Yes, I understand them for urban areas - they can have curfews occassionally for a variety of reasons.
But for the suburbs? With no places open to congregate, the only places to go at night are the streets - and the only people using the streets after dark are walkers, joggers, exercisers and dog-walkers: none of them in close proximity to each other and operating alone (or in the same pairs or groups that already live together indoors) in the safest environmnet you can be in right now - the outdoors.

I will keep "breaking curfew" for my 9:00 pm walk (probably the only thing keeping me sane and not moridly obese right now... and especialy after I skipped the last 2 nights due to rain).

[Citizen Rules]

I’ve never gotten used to it. This last time will be my last time. As soon as the priest hears my British accent he knows it’s me. I could go someplace else, I know. Just out of curiosity what kind of stuff would you be confessing to a priest? All I know of it is from movies.

[John McClane]

Just out of curiosity what kind of stuff would you be confessing to a priest? All I know of it is from movies.Ya know, the usual stuff. Murdering people who ask that question and wearing them as a skin suit. ;) :p

[Citizen Rules]

Ya know, the usual stuff. Murdering people who ask that question and wearing them as a skin suit. ;) :pHa, but what would the average non-murderer have to say? Seriously I want to know.

[Captain Steel]

Ya know, the usual stuff. Murdering people who ask that question and wearing them as a skin suit. ;) :p

Ed Gein's priest committed suicide!

(joke: I doubt Ed Gein was even Catholic)

[Captain Steel]

Ha, but what would the average non-murderer have to say? Seriously I want to know.

"I had carnal thoughts about Mary Jane when she wore that dress cut above the knee at late mass last Saturday."

[NedStark09]

People in WV must be different animals of people cause if born here you generally live and die here. Now some modern generations do go to other places thinking it will be better but during my parents and and there parents we all lived here and never went anywhere.


We live one day at a time and clean the yard and prepared for gardens and live as tomarrow will be no different.
this week all seen was people on riding mowers and lots people fishing in boats.


Maybe its big city people that feel the need to panic because of all the bad news. My aunt lives in the country and her stance was it gets you it does. Country people just i guess dont panic.

[resopamenic]

I have to say in all honesty that I never understand a single one of this person’s posts. It must be me though.
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[gbgoodies]

Did anyone else read about this dad in New York who locked his son out of the house because he went on a Spring Break trip?

Coronavirus-panicked dad locks son out of house after spring break trip (https://nypost.com/2020/03/28/coronavirus-panicked-dad-locks-son-out-of-house-after-spring-break-trip/)

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[Mesmerized]

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[7thson]

Well this thing finally hit close to us. My mother inlaw and my wife's nephew (they live in same house) have tested positive. They both live on Long Island. Tommy (nephew) is around 10 years old and has asthma already so I hope there are no issues there. My mother-in-law has been sick and has been desperately trying to get them all tested but she is still working. She is a teacher and is working from home doing online education stuff. There are 3 other people in the home and they are all quarantined understandably.

Their spirits seem good but my wife is very worried. I hope everything turns out fine and I am trying to stay positive for Devorah. I am looking into trying to send them a care package so I hope I can do that soon.

Hope everyone stays safe out there, be smart :).

[Chypmunk]

Sorry to hear, hope everyone comes through ok. My brother-in-law was tested the other day and the whole family of 8 quarantined, still waiting to hear the results.

[7thson]

Sorry to hear, hope everyone comes through ok. My brother-in-law was tested the other day and the whole family of 8 quarantined, still waiting to hear the results.

Best of luck to them.

[Guaporense]

The world has about 7.5 billion people. The coronavirus is expected to infect something like 50 or 75% of the population of Germany, UK, US, if it is not suppressed. Its mortality rate is about 1% if the health system is not overwhelmed but if the health system cannot accommodate most people with the virus then the fatality rate goes up to 3-4%. If 50 to 75% of the world is infected and the fatality rate is 3-4% then roughly 113 million to 225 million would die. That represents an upper bound estimate on how many could die.

Recent evidence shows that the virus fatality rate is lower as many more people are infected but have mild symptoms or are asymptomatic. So the upper bound should be re-estimated when we have better statistics. Germany is doing random testing to estimate actual mortality rates so we have to wait for their data. Overall it first appears that the fatality rate is closer to 0.2-0.3% instead of 1% so the upper bound in global fatalities is now estimated to be about 40 million.

*edit: grammar

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-Global-Impact-26-03-2020v2.pdf

We estimate that in the absence of interventions, COVID-19 would have resulted in 7.0 billion infections and 40 million deaths globally this year. Mitigation strategiesfocussing on shielding the elderly (60% reduction in social contacts) and slowing but not interrupting transmission (40% reduction in social contacts for wider population) could reduce this burden by half, saving 20 million lives, but we predict that even in this scenario, health systems in all countries will be quickly overwhelmed. This effect is likely to be most severe in lower income settings where capacity is lowest: our mitigated scenarios lead to peak demand for critical care beds in a typical low-income setting outstripping supply by a factor of 25, in contrast to a typical high-income setting where this factor is 7. As a result, we anticipate that the true burden in low income settings pursuing mitigation strategies could be substantially higher than reflected in these estimates.

Our analysis therefore suggests that healthcare demand can only be kept within manageable levels through the rapid adoption of public health measures (including testing and isolation of cases and wider social distancing measures) to suppress transmission, similar to those being adopted in many countries at the current time. If a suppression strategy is implemented early (at 0.2 deaths per 100,000 population per week) and sustained, then 38.7 million lives could be saved whilst if it is initiated when death numbers are higher (1.6 deaths per 100,000 population per week) then 30.7 million lives could be saved. Delaysin implementing strategies to suppress transmission will lead to worse outcomes and fewer lives saved.

However, they don't try to estimate the increase in mortality rates from overwhelming medical systems. That means their 40 million deaths is actually a lower bound. :eek:

[John McClane]

62209That headline should really read "Abbott Labs cashes in on pandemic with rapid COVID-19 test. Can give millions of profits in 5 minutes"

[Mesmerized]

Non sequitur.

[John McClane]

Non sequitur.Nah, I don't squint.

Unrelated, I am technically an at risk person because of all the **** I've smoked over the last ten years (I'm still vaping :eek:). I was already worried about my lung function at the end of last year so I have been making concentrated efforts to not inhale as much garbage, but of course now that I'm stressed I'm back to my usual habits.

I really hope I get sent home ASAP, but the consenus in the office is that ain't going to happen. Personally, anyone who thinks it is essential to finish the school semester out online is an idiot.

The idea that you can deliever the same level of education online that has been provided in person for the last 200 years is lunacy. You can't go from offering nothing online to offering everything online and think the quality is going to be the same, especially STEM based programs with hands on labs.

I'm just baffled how so many highly educated people can't see the folly in their decisions.

[rauldc14]

That headline should really read "Abbott Labs cashes in on pandemic with rapid COVID-19 test. Can give millions of profits in 5 minutes"

Can get 5 minute result for tests but takes 18 months for a cure. Go figure.

[Miss Vicky]

Can get 5 minute result for tests but takes 18 months for a cure. Go figure.

It's a virus. It's unlikely that an actual cure will ever be found, only treatment and vaccines.

That said, the reason why it takes so long is that they have to test not only the efficacy of medications and vaccines, but also their safety and that takes time.

[rauldc14]

It's a virus. It's unlikely that an actual cure will ever be found, only treatment and vaccines.

That said, the reason why it takes so long is that they have to test not only the efficacy of medications and vaccines, but also their safety and that takes time.

Yeah that's what I meant. Vaccine whoops

[NedStark09]

I has a cough and my dr made me take mine. But mine was just allergies to dust and pet hair have to take clariton but a stronger then over the counter dose

[Captain Steel]

I has a cough and my dr made me take mine. But mine was just allergies to dust and pet hair have to take clariton but a stronger then over the counter dose

Now that I'm more aware, I find I pretty much cough and sneeze all day long - especially when seasons change.

When I was young my allergist said I had "athletic asthma" - if the air is at all cool and I exert myself, I start to wheeze (and / or cough). If I'm wheezy and start to cough, I often can't stop coughing for quite a while. Since I walk in the evenings in the cool night air, I'm activating my athletic asthma to a certain extent and will often wake myself up from coughing.

I also touch my face all day too - and as allergy season progresses; rub or scratch my eyes.

[Austruck]

Just lost a friend to COVID-19 last night. He was about my age and had been in NYC a few weeks ago. Developed COVID-19 and then the accompanying pneumonia, to which he succumbed last night.

I hadn't seen this coming. Not happy today. Won't be happy tomorrow, either. Be safe out there, people!

[Chypmunk]

Sorry to hear that Mama Yods, thoughts are with you.

[7thson]

Sorry to hear about losing a friend, best wishes to their family. It really does sneak up on some. My wife wishes she could go up to NY to see family, but she is not able to for many reasons. Not even sure she would be allowed but I hope the family stays out of the critical stage because I know I would not be able to stop her in going if they get really sick.

[Mesmerized]

I'm sorry for your loss. My thoughts and prayers are with you.

[NedStark09]

Did your friend have any illnesses before got Covid19 that might hurt his immune system already. Sometimes Dr sadly miss illnesses or weak Immune issues if a person has no symptoms

[rauldc14]

I'm starting to get irritated with the world in general. Depressing.

[Yoda]

Trump, in a press briefing just now:

"It's not the flu. It's vicious ... This is not the flu."

[rauldc14]

Great.

[Citizen Rules]

So it sounds like we're NOT going to be "opened up and just raring to go by Easter" as Trump said just 1 week ago.
Link (https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/24/politics/trump-easter-economy-coronavirus/index.html)

[Citizen Rules]

I'm starting to get irritated with the world in general. Depressing.Raul, are you still working? Or stuck in lockdown?

[Yoda]

BTW, he literally said "This is a flu. This is like the flu" just over a month ago.

[Yoda]

https://twitter.com/TomBossert/status/1245096262644445185

[Miss Vicky]

One of my coworkers is in quarantine because her father tested positive.

Fortunately I haven't worked with her since March 7th, but her quarantine is up soon and she's due back at work next week. I'm freaking out a little.

[rauldc14]

Raul, are you still working? Or stuck in lockdown?

I work retail overnight. At least we are closed at night right now.

[rauldc14]

One of my coworkers is in quarantine because her father tested positive.

Fortunately I haven't worked with her since March 7th, but her quarantine is up soon and she's due back at work next week. I'm freaking out a little.

Sorry about that. I truly wish this was all over.

[Citizen Rules]

One of my coworkers is in quarantine because her father tested positive.

Fortunately I haven't worked with her since March 7th, but her quarantine is up soon and she's due back at work next week. I'm freaking out a little.Sorry to hear that. I believe with quarantine the person is given long enough to be sure she's negative, so I'm sure you'll be OK...but I can see that's worrisome.

Can you wear a face mask at work, is that an option at all?

[Captain Steel]

BTW, he literally said "This is a flu. This is like the flu" just over a month ago.

It's not a "flu" in that it is not the influenza virus. It is "like the flu" in many respects in that it's transmitted in most the same ways, it has almost all of the same symptoms and works like a virus, but we are learning that it may be different in other respects.

[Yoda]

For sure, but whether someone says that as a way of explaining how the virus works, or in a reflexive attempt to downplay its potential threat, is an important bit of context.

Suffice to say, there was quite a shift between late February and even mid-March.

[Miss Vicky]

Can you wear a face mask at work, is that an option at all?

From where? The doctor can't even get surgical masks to do surgery with.

[Citizen Rules]

From where? The doctor can't even get surgical masks to do surgery with.I thought being a vet's office there might be some available to you.

[gbgoodies]

Well this thing finally hit close to us. My mother inlaw and my wife's nephew (they live in same house) have tested positive. They both live on Long Island. Tommy (nephew) is around 10 years old and has asthma already so I hope there are no issues there. My mother-in-law has been sick and has been desperately trying to get them all tested but she is still working. She is a teacher and is working from home doing online education stuff. There are 3 other people in the home and they are all quarantined understandably.

Their spirits seem good but my wife is very worried. I hope everything turns out fine and I am trying to stay positive for Devorah. I am looking into trying to send them a care package so I hope I can do that soon.

Hope everyone stays safe out there, be smart :).

Sorry to hear about losing a friend, best wishes to their family. It really does sneak up on some. My wife wishes she could go up to NY to see family, but she is not able to for many reasons. Not even sure she would be allowed but I hope the family stays out of the critical stage because I know I would not be able to stop her in going if they get really sick.

I'm sorry to hear that. I hope they're feeling better, and they get through it okay.

Don't let your wife come to Long Island. She's safer where she is now. If I remember correctly, your relatives are in Suffolk County. Their numbers are going up too fast. They reported over 900 new cases in the last 24 hours.

Suffolk County, NY Reports (https://suffolkcountyny.gov/Departments/Health-Services/Health-Bulletins/Novel-Coronavirus/covid-19-case-update-march-31-2020-230-pm)

Just in case I'm remembering wrong, here's the info for Nassau County, NY too.

Nassau County, NY Reports (https://www.nassaucountyny.gov/4946/Coronavirus-COVID-19) and Cases Map (https://www.nassaucountyny.gov/DocumentCenter/View/28978/POSITIVES-BY-PLACE-3-30-PM)


Sorry to hear, hope everyone comes through ok. My brother-in-law was tested the other day and the whole family of 8 quarantined, still waiting to hear the results.

I hope their tests come back negative, and they're okay.


Just lost a friend to COVID-19 last night. He was about my age and had been in NYC a few weeks ago. Developed COVID-19 and then the accompanying pneumonia, to which he succumbed last night.

I hadn't seen this coming. Not happy today. Won't be happy tomorrow, either. Be safe out there, people!

I'm so sorry to hear that. It's frightening to read about this every day, but it must be even more heartbreaking when it hits home like this. I wish there was something we could do or say to make it better.

.

[cricket]

It's really starting to gain steam here in Massachusetts. Last 24 hours 868 new positives with 33 more passed.

[Mesmerized]

Can you wear a face mask at work, is that an option at all?

Yeah, don't forget your lunch.

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[7thson]

This happened here today:


"Escambia County Commissioner sends mass email calling for loosening coronavirus measures."

Really, no wonder people around here don't give a crap.

Here is the whole article for those interested, I am posting here because the page has a bunch of no ad blocking restrictions to be able to view, it is from our local paper.
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Registered voters in Escambia County received an email from Escambia County Commissioner Doug Underhill on Monday calling for loosening social distancing measures as federal public health experts warn the worst of the coronavirus crisis is in the weeks ahead.

Underhill said he sent the email to all voters in the county who provided their emails when they registered, all members of the Florida Legislature and all Florida county commissioners to share what he said were facts about COVID-19.

In the email, Underhill said he believes the facts "support caution, but not fear and frenzy."



Underhill said he wants to reopen the county's beaches, which are currently closed through April 2, and called on the governor to allow restaurants to return to on-site dining at 50% capacity.

Underhill told the News Journal that he has received positive praise for the email from "other Republican and conservative leaders throughout the state" but did not specify who.

"It's time for us to start getting a different kind of dialogue, not fear and anger dialogue, but the data-driven dialogue," he said.

In his email, Underhill said that based on the state's testing, the contraction rate for COVID-19 is lower than first feared, and while some models showed higher contraction rates, health experts, including those on President Donald Trump's coronavirus task force, have said that with social distancing measures in place, the rates of the virus spread would slow.


Even with social distancing, the virus remains contagious. Dr. Robert Redfield, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, told Atlanta public radio station WABE on Monday that the virus is probably three times as infectious as the flu.

Redfield also said the percentage of people who get the coronavirus and show no symptoms but still transmit the virus may be at 25%, and it appears people with symptoms become contagious as many as 48 hours before they start experiencing symptoms.


Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, has said that even with social distancing measures in place, the United States could still see 100,000 deaths from the virus.

"It would not have been a good idea to pull back at a time when you really needed to be pressing your foot on the pedal as opposed to on the brakes," Fauci said on CNN.


Also in his email, Underhill said that at the time, there had only been one hospitalization from Escambia County's 30 confirmed cases, which he said didn't show a large impact on the health care system. His email did not include the number of hospitalized cases in neighboring Santa Rosa County, whose residents often use Escambia County hospitals.

Since his email, Escambia County has now 94 confirmed cases with two hospitalizations, and Santa Rosa County has 44 cases with seven hospitalizations and two deaths, according to numbers released by the Florida Department of Health on Tuesday evening.


Health experts don't expect the number of cases to peak in most of the country until mid-April.

Federal officials have said that a projection from the University of Washington Institute of Health Metrics and Evaluation influenced the decision to extend social distancing guidelines until April 30. That model doesn't show coronavirus cases peaking until May 3 and projects a shortage of 297 intensive care unit beds in Florida on that day.


Ali Mokdad, a professor at the University of Washington, told the Miami Herald that the model assumes Florida will implement a stay-at-home order by next Monday, an action that Gov. Ron DeSantis has resisted.

Underhill also claimed as fact that the state's environment is "not as conducive to COVID-19," despite the largest outbreak of the virus occurring in the warmest part of the state with more than 3,600 case in Palm Beach, Broward and Miami-Dade counties, as of Tuesday morning.

Health experts such as Fauci have said publicly that it is too early to know if hot climates affect the virus. The World Health Organization in its published lists of "myth busting" about the coronavirus states the virus has been reported in countries with hot weather, and hot weather does not prevent the spread of the virus.

Underhill rejected the idea that his email contradicted health experts, saying much of what has been put out to the public is driven by computer models.

"Modeling and simulation has been grossly misused ever since the Al Gore era," Underhill said. "And we've seen that there's a lot of things that can be proven by modeling and simulation (that) end up not happening in real world."

The email was sent through Underhill's campaign account, despite him not being an active candidate.

"I used that email address because our county government continues to resist modern communication methods, such as social media, and mass emailing," Underhill said.

He defended sending the email and said the public has a right to know what's in his mind on public policy decisions.

"The citizens have a right to know what's in the mind of the five men (on the County Commission) who makes decisions that affect their ability to feed their children," Underhill said.

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Why even take a chance ????- it does not take much for people to need a reason to go out and he is giving them all one.

[NedStark09]

Least Trump didnt mention in a speech reguarding people have died as People In Body Bags. I swear politicians have to be worst at inspiring hope and knowing how to comfort grieving people.

[Yoda]

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[Austruck]

Did your friend have any illnesses before got Covid19 that might hurt his immune system already. Sometimes Dr sadly miss illnesses or weak Immune issues if a person has no symptoms

Not that I'm aware of, no. He was doing about as well as everyone expected, going through the usual stages, and then suddenly took a bad turn yesterday during the day, and things progressed rapidly after that. He died last night.

[Citizen Rules]

Yeah, don't forget your lunch.

https://www.movieforums.com/community/attachment.php?attachmentid=62255Idiotic joke, not funny and not welcomed.

[Powdered Water]

Sedai. Our guv'ner here in Washington a few days ago said out loud during his presser that he is looking at cellphone tracking data to see where people are congregating. So, that is already happening my man.

[ashdoc]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.freepressjournal.in/amp/story/viral%252Fwhy-is-coronajihad-trending-on-twitter

Congregation of Muslims in Indian capital city Delhi spreads hundreds of cases in India. Right wing alleges deliberate attempt to spread coronavirus---coronajehad

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[NedStark09]

Not that I'm aware of, no. He was doing about as well as everyone expected, going through the usual stages, and then suddenly took a bad turn yesterday during the day, and things progressed rapidly after that. He died last night.
Biggest Issue is they say get tested if have the symptoms but allot of people think normal flu like like or cold like symptoms is what to look for.


But this is spring allot of people get a cough or sniffles. Especially if have pets around.


Covid19 has other symptoms is and thats from people who had it in WV. Massive and mild joint pain , fever and diarrea.


I personally think people should be allowed tested even if feel good.



I wanted to comment on another subject its about people a person might know family member who had Covid19.


Just like aids and people with cancer. That person is feeling terrible lonely now because they are treated like a creature from Swamp Thing.


Just keep your hands clean after work and try to not be scared of people.


Chances are them having it and clear of it are better to have around then people never to have it.

[TONGO]

My condolences Austruck.


Talked to my Dad yesterday. He's turns 91 tomorrow and my stepmom is 82 I think. They definitely are staying indoors but think they had actually contracted the Coronavirus in January. They thought it was just the worst flu in their life, had every possible flu symptom imaginable, the intensity of each brutal, and it lasted 2 weeks. I havent been back home in over a year but they aren't seeing anyone nowadays anyway. I'm hoping this makes them less susceptible to contracting it again, of course they're not taking any chances.

[Sedai]

Sedai. Our guv'ner here in Washington a few days ago said out loud during his presser that he is looking at cellphone tracking data to see where people are congregating. So, that is already happening my man.

Yea - I believe I read that it is still kept anonymous, and is more used to figure out population hot spots etc. I guess I don't really have an issue with that.

[Sedai]

Not that I'm aware of, no. He was doing about as well as everyone expected, going through the usual stages, and then suddenly took a bad turn yesterday during the day, and things progressed rapidly after that. He died last night.


Jeez, so sorry to hear this. My condolences. :(

Stay strong!

[Mesmerized]

Currently in the U.S.

Coronavirus cases: 189,661

Deaths: 4,097, R.I.P.

Recovered: 7,267

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

[Austruck]

Biggest Issue is they say get tested if have the symptoms but allot of people think normal flu like like or cold like symptoms is what to look for.


But this is spring allot of people get a cough or sniffles. Especially if have pets around.


Covid19 has other symptoms is and thats from people who had it in WV. Massive and mild joint pain , fever and diarrea.


I personally think people should be allowed tested even if feel good.

Ned, my friend was in the hospital being treated properly (in Memphis, Tenn.), so it wasn't a matter of not knowing. He was an official case.

[Stirchley]

I'm still taking issue with "curfews."


They must be annoying though we don’t have any in CT. It wouldn’t be an issue for me since my daily walk is done & dusted by around noon.

Just out of curiosity what kind of stuff would you be confessing to a priest? All I know of it is from movies.

The only requirement these days is to confess a mortal (serious) sin. Anyone with venial sins (minor sins) is no longer required to confess. If one repents, one is forgiven is a tenet of the church.

So murder, adultery, thievery, fornication, breaking any of the commandments is a mortal sin.

Many people go to confession every week & just chat with the priest about what’s on their mind, what they’ve failed to do, etc. The priest gives them a penance to say (10 Hail Marys or whatever) & off they go.

People in WV must be different animals of people cause if born here you generally live and die here. Now some modern generations do go to other places thinking it will be better but during my parents and and there parents we all lived here and never went anywhere

Interesting. There was once a survey done as to which was the “homiest” state. Turned out it was Louisiana. The state where people come & go most was Nevada (Las Vegas).

Just lost a friend to COVID-19 last night. He was about my age and had been in NYC a few weeks ago. Developed COVID-19 and then the accompanying pneumonia, to which he succumbed last night.

So very sorry. R.I.P. ✝️

[Captain Steel]

They must be annoying though we don’t have any in CT. It wouldn’t be an issue for me since my daily walk is done & dusted by around noon.


I wouldn't call the curfew annoying thus far (right now only the concept is annoying) because it hasn't been enforced in my town. Every night during my mile and a half walk, I see joggers, other walkers and dog walkers. Police vehicles (although I've seen maybe 1 in the last couple weeks) just roll on by! :)

[Stirchley]

⬆️ SO many police cars cruising around slowly. High crime where I live, so no clue why they’re driving around apparently so aimlessly.

[Stirchley]

Wow, Wimbledon is closed for the first time since WWII.