Coronavirus

[Yoda]

Wimbledone.

I'll see myself out.

[ironpony]

There is one thing about the coronavirus... I thought that society was collapsing in the last few years because of the SJW movement and so many people being offended by every little thing, and how it's turning a lot of society into worse people. And now, this corona virus hits the world.

This feels like fate. I mean what are the chances a deadly disease hits the world, the same time, a huge collapse of society movement is going on? This isn't just an accident I don't think. I think this is fate trying to tell us something, because the chances of it being an accident that these two things hit at the same time, just seems questionable, doesn't it?

[Mesmerized]

Wow, Wimbledon is closed for the first time since WWII.

If it was still February they would have canceled the Superbowl. When was the last time the Superbowl was canceled?

[John McClane]

I'm honestly wondering if my flu at the beginning of March wasn't actually coronavirus. Because I honestly felt like I was going to die. It was easily the worst sickness I have ever experienced, and the timing on it was almost right in line with the start of the nationwide outbreak (keep in mind I work at a place that has visitors/people from all over the world and I work directly with them...lots of handshakes...never doing that ever again).

Almost a whole week of temps over 102, severe headache, lethargy that kept me from getting up to use the bathroom or get water, and a heavy/steady dry cough. And the lethargy carried on for about another week after my temps went back to normal.

Like from everything I'm reading that's the exact description of a typical case that doesn't require hospitalization.

[Stirchley]

Wimbledone.

I'll see myself out.

Is there a “groan” emoji? :)

There is one thing about the coronavirus... I thought that society was collapsing in the last few years because of the SJW movement

I seem to recall asking before, but I still don’t know what SJW means.

If it was still February they would have canceled the Superbowl. When was the last time the Superbowl was canceled?

You tell me.

[ironpony]

I'm honestly wondering if my flu at the beginning of March wasn't actually coronavirus. Because I honestly felt like I was going to die. It was easily the worst sickness I have ever experienced, and the timing on it was almost right in line with the start of the nationwide outbreak (keep in mind I work at a place that has visitors/people from all over the world and I work directly with them...lots of handshakes...never doing that ever again).

Almost a whole week of temps over 102, severe headache, lethargy that kept me from getting up to use the bathroom or get water, and a heavy/steady dry cough. And the lethargy carried on for about another week after my temps went back to normal.

Like from everything I'm reading that's the exact description of a typical case that doesn't require hospitalization.

Can you still get tested to see if it's still in your system?

[NedStark09]

⬆️ SO many police cars cruising around slowly. High crime where I live, so no clue why they’re driving around apparently so aimlessly.
Well in my State in The USA there were using State Police and County to make sure there were no one camping or having any get togethers like parties where there was no social distancing.

[NedStark09]

Can you still get tested to see if it's still in your system?
i think it just show weither postive or negative. But id ask a dr because i dont think we have any idea really.

[John McClane]

Can you still get tested to see if it's still in your system?At this point it's been so long since the sickness that I doubt I'd test positive if it was the case.

All I know is whatever it was knocked the ever living **** out of me and even now I still don't feel back to 100%, and my allegries are not helping.

Something that is most concerning is this map.
62312

My home state is barren AF when it comes to hospitals and ICU beds, so I'm even more angry that people aren't taking this seriously. And that the governor hasn't done more to keep people at home.

https://khn.org/news/as-coronavirus-spreads-widely-millions-of-older-americans-live-in-counties-with-no-icu-beds/

[Miss Vicky]

A little humor. (It's Samuel L. Jackson, so NSFW due to profanity).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUakLzaboMo

[Captain Steel]

Wimbledone.

I'll see myself out.

This is good for stopping the spread of the Corona virus because a Scottish kilt-maker told me that the virus has a nefarious plan... they mean to win Wimbledon!

[ynwtf]

Wimbledone.

I'll see myself out.

Preposterous! *deletes my run-on sentence full of alliterated Ps*

That really should have been a Wimbledome reference. =\
*points to the loudspeaker before it echoes Tina Turner's Mastah-Blastah*

https://media1.giphy.com/media/L46g36c05R41Fj1f24/giphy.gif


(I will follow your exit lead now)

[Stirchley]

Holy Mother of God, I just returned from a quick visit to Family Dollar for bleach. Not the most attractive place even on a good day. Shelves are a total mess & there is never a sign of management.

So the store was so over-heated & the air was fuggy with germs. I could hardly breathe. Loads of people in there & nobody social-distancing. Horrified to see the 2 very nice cashiers not wearing masks or gloves. Especially gloves. Can hardly imagine the number of germs one would encounter working a full shift. (Just handling the money could kill you.)

Horrifying. A total breeding ground for COVID-19. I could not get out of there fast enough. My ‘hood just doesn’t get it.

[Captain Steel]

I had a little renewed hope when I went to the store last week and was able to get 1 pack of TP, 1 roll of paper towels & 1 bottle of bleach (all generic store brands) - but today the shelves for all paper products were stripped, no bleach, rubbing alcohol or disinfectant cleaners again.

The baking aisle was also stripped (no brownies this month!)

Wonder if this was another reaction to the shutdown being extended another month?

P.S. The local newspaper had an article about the parking lot of our local ShopRite - some segment of the populace had literally covered the area with discarded masks & rubber gloves to the point the police had to be called! (My guess is the litterers are probably the same people hoarding TP!)

Not sure who said it most recently - but someone in the news said crisises like this reveal the best of us... and the worst! Very true.

[NedStark09]

Holy Mother of God, I just returned from a quick visit to Family Dollar for bleach. Not the most attractive place even on a good day. Shelves are a total mess & there is never a sign of management.

So the store was so over-heated & the air was fuggy with germs. I could hardly breathe. Loads of people in there & nobody social-distancing. Horrified to see the 2 very nice cashiers not wearing masks or gloves. Especially gloves. Can hardly imagine the number of germs one would encounter working a full shift. (Just handling the money could kill you.)

Horrifying. A total breeding ground for COVID-19. I could not get out of there fast enough. My ‘hood just doesn’t get it.
Our Family Doller closed in our state, Maybe one left in morgantown WV. But most closed. We have Doller Trees and Dollor General More of now. But some stores are ran pretty dirty in some places.

[Citizen Rules]

... The local newspaper had an article about the parking lot of our local ShopRite - some segment of the populace had literally covered the area with discarded masks & rubber gloves to the point the police had to be called!...Pictures or it didn't happen;)

[Stirchley]

The local newspaper had an article about the parking lot of our local ShopRite - some segment of the populace had literally covered the area with discarded masks & rubber gloves to the point the police had to be called! (My guess is the litterers are probably the same people hoarding TP!

Disgusting.

Our Family Doller closed in our state, Maybe one left in morgantown WV. But most closed. We have Doller Trees and Dollor General More of now. But some stores are ran pretty dirty in some places.

We’ve got quite a few. Ours wasn’t as bad before. But the shelves are a train wreck. Boxes of stuff all over the floor.

BAD NEWS IN CONNECTICUT: six-week old baby has died. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ushome/index.html

[Captain Steel]

Pictures our it didn't happen;)

I was mistaken (or maybe it was in the paper, I don't know because I don't read the newspaper) - it was on News12 NJ...

http://www.news12.com/story/41960659/put-it-in-the-garbage-protective-gloves-masks-seen-discarded-all-over-grocery-shopping-parking-lots

[Citizen Rules]

I was mistaken (or maybe it was in the paper, I don't know because I don't read the newspaper) - it was on News12 NJ...

http://www.news12.com/story/41960659/put-it-in-the-garbage-protective-gloves-masks-seen-discarded-all-over-grocery-shopping-parking-lotsOh! you quoted me before I could fix my spelling error.

Question: with mask in utter short supply, where would people get these at, and why would they discard them so readily?

[Captain Steel]

Oh! you quoted me before I could fix my spelling error.

Question: with mask in utter short supply, where would people get these at, and why would they discard them so readily?

Good question!
I found a few old dust masks (for carpentry or painting) in my car - they are so old that the elastic bands that hold them on your ears have disintegrated! I don't have any rubber bands to try to "fix" them (and the office stores are closed)... maybe I can use string? But I imagine they'd be a very loose fit with string.

[Citizen Rules]

Good question!
I found a few old dust masks (for carpentry or painting) in my car - they are so old that the elastic bands that hold them on your ears have disintegrated! I don't have any rubber bands to try to "fix" them (and the office stores are closed)... maybe I can use string? But I imagine they'd be a very loose fit with string.I wonder if it was medical people doing that. I mean I have a couple of mask for sanding and I'm treating those like they're made out of gold!

[Mesmerized]

Currently in the U.S.

Coronavirus cases: 214,482

Deaths: 5,094, R.I.P.

Recovered: 8,878

The difference between the number of those recovering exceeds the number of deaths. The majority of deaths are in New York (2,219).

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

[Captain Steel]

Currently in the U.S.

Coronavirus cases: 214,482

Deaths: 5,094, R.I.P.

Recovered: 8,878

The difference between the number of those recovering exceeds the number of deaths. The majority of deaths are in New York (2,219).

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

On the global level, the number of recoveries is 5 TIMES that of deaths! The U.S. will catch up soon.

Also to remember (the Gov. of NJ touched on this today in an address so don't get mad at me)... some of the deaths include people already suffering terminal illnesses or at the end of life in nursing homes & hospices.

Not that it's consolation to the surviving relatives, but these are people who had only days or weeks to live without Covid19. In some cases the virus only hastened what was a very near & certain end.

Just putting a perspective on the death count - it includes one demographic that would have been counted anyway, but perhaps only slightly sooner than would have been the case without the virus.

[Citizen Rules]

Not trying to top Captain here, but an opposite take was reported today.

Italy’s Coronavirus Death Toll Is Far Higher Than Reported
New story link (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/italys-coronavirus-death-toll-is-far-higher-than-reported/ar-BB122vvc?li=BBnb7Kz)

"In the town of Coccaglio, an hour’s drive east of here, the local nursing home lost over a third of its residents in March. None of the 24 people who died there were tested for the new coronavirus. Nor were the 38 people who died in another nursing home in the nearby town of Lodi.These aren’t isolated incidents. Italy’s official death toll from the virus stands at 13,155, the most of any country in the world. But that number tells only part of the story because many people who die from the virus don’t make it to the hospital and are never tested."

[NedStark09]

Disgusting.



We’ve got quite a few. Ours wasn’t as bad before. But the shelves are a train wreck. Boxes of stuff all over the floor.

BAD NEWS IN CONNECTICUT: six-week old baby has died. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ushome/index.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ushome/index.html)
New Borns are at risk during this time because a child not really got an immune system till after there first Shots. Toddlers and New Borns need watched really close now.

[John McClane]

Yeah, from the sounds of how it progresses once you cross into a certain group you’re pretty much done. It just destroys the lungs to the point that they can’t recover, and this can happen in a matter of days. So one day you’re coughing and the next you’re laying in bed not wanting to move.

I forgot to add that whatever I had in March depleted me of water so much that it took a couple days of steady fluids to get back on the positive side of the ledger, and usually with the flu you’re losing fluids for certain disgusting reasons. I had none of that. I just couldn’t get up to get water and I had a fever that had me dripping in sweat.

I can easily see how if an older person went through what I did how it could go bad real quick.

[cricket]

I had a small order I was dropping off today to a liquor store I deliver at every week. When I was leaving, a woman I didn't recognize and who must be the owner, approached me thanking me and trying to give me a bill. I said it wasn't necessary and that it was one of my favorite stops. She insisted and put it in my sweatshirt pocket. When I got in the truck I saw that it was a hundred dollar bill. There's a lot of negative talk going on about people, and understandably so, but there's also a lot of kindness happening.

[7thson]

Good question!
I found a few old dust masks (for carpentry or painting) in my car - they are so old that the elastic bands that hold them on your ears have disintegrated! I don't have any rubber bands to try to "fix" them (and the office stores are closed)... maybe I can use string? But I imagine they'd be a very loose fit with string.

Duct tape

[Chypmunk]

There's a lot of negative talk going on about people, and understandably so, but there's also a lot of kindness happening.

Quite right, there's huge kindnesses going on at the moment - both the very best and worst of society are on display right now. Thankfully from what I've been witness to the best appears to far outweigh the worst.

And don't forget to 'isolate' that bill for a few days before touching it ;)

[Captain Steel]

Duct tape

Good idea - and an added benefit - after taking it off, I won't have to shave my neck or sideburns for a few weeks! ;)

[Captain Steel]

Not trying to top Captain here, but an opposite take was reported today.

Italy’s Coronavirus Death Toll Is Far Higher Than Reported
New story link (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/italys-coronavirus-death-toll-is-far-higher-than-reported/ar-BB122vvc?li=BBnb7Kz)

"In the town of Coccaglio, an hour’s drive east of here, the local nursing home lost over a third of its residents in March. None of the 24 people who died there were tested for the new coronavirus. Nor were the 38 people who died in another nursing home in the nearby town of Lodi.These aren’t isolated incidents. Italy’s official death toll from the virus stands at 13,155, the most of any country in the world. But that number tells only part of the story because many people who die from the virus don’t make it to the hospital and are never tested."

That is sad. Heard some discussion of Italy on the radio today - too much to summarize, but they mentioned "half measures" - good intentions, but in a situation where only carrying out prevention half way couldn't cut it. Sadly for Italy it was also a case of too little too late - they were blindsided, and for a nation of very gregarious, physical, close-knit, family & neighborhood-oriented people this virus was devastating.

[Daniel M]

New Borns are at risk during this time because a child not really got an immune system till after there first Shots. Toddlers and New Borns need watched really close now.

Fortunately I don't think this statement is generally true Ned. People under the age of 9 have the lowest death rate of any group, it's virtually zero, in fact I think it is literally 0 until this 6 week old story came along. It seems that babies are much less susceptible to catching the virus. That's not to say we shouldn't naturally be careful and cautious around young children with the virus of course.

The problem with the six week old story, and it's a problem with other stories that I see especially about young people "dying with coronavirus" is that the articles are always very unclear about their deaths. We should wait for the full facts. Just because a young person has coronavirus and dies, does not mean they have died from coronavirus. The media create headlines but we should wait for the full information and not panic to levels above what's necessary.

Another point about stockpiling as I know a few people have mentioned it again recently. I don't think it's actually much of a case of people stockpiling. I read some reports that start only a small percentage of shoppers have been doing this, and of course most stories now at leats in the UK have measures in place to prevent stuff. But if every single person who now enters a store buys even 1 toilet roll, as an example, you can see how they disappear much quicker than in normal circumstances.

[The Rodent]

Weird:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid?fbclid=IwAR1cZ6kmhf4a8DZd8c19IStYKe_2pTbIqODkJzNJCcU-uD920dB1xNjdx00#status-of-covid-19

[NedStark09]

Fortunately I don't think this statement is generally true Ned. People under the age of 9 have the lowest death rate of any group, it's virtually zero, in fact I think it is literally 0 until this 6 week old story came along. It seems that babies are much less susceptible to catching the virus. That's not to say we shouldn't naturally be careful and cautious around young children with the virus of course.

The problem with the six week old story, and it's a problem with other stories that I see especially about young people "dying with coronavirus" is that the articles are always very unclear about their deaths. We should wait for the full facts. Just because a young person has coronavirus and dies, does not mean they have died from coronavirus. The media create headlines but we should wait for the full information and not panic to levels above what's necessary.

Another point about stockpiling as I know a few people have mentioned it again recently. I don't think it's actually much of a case of people stockpiling. I read some reports that start only a small percentage of shoppers have been doing this, and of course most stories now at leats in the UK have measures in place to prevent stuff. But if every single person who now enters a store buys even 1 toilet roll, as an example, you can see how they disappear much quicker than in normal circumstances.


Then this has to do with some other part that we are missing cause a child shouldnt be immune cause there is no way a new kid can handle this kind of a virus attack out of the gate.



Lets just say in normal cases Baby and children normally be immune to it. Can it be possible the mom had it and it got into its blood stream before birth.


Sorry to anyone thinking im not just sickened by a baby having this and dying before living. I just have some many questions on how Virus work and just what people need figure out to save lives later on.


And the only way is figuring out the body and why people got sick or didnt.

[Daniel M]

Then this has to do with some other part that we are missing cause a child shouldnt be immune cause there is no way a new kid can handle this kind of a virus attack out of the gate.

Lets just say in normal cases Baby and children normally be immune to it. Can it be possible the mom had it and it got into its blood stream before birth.

Sorry to anyone thinking im not just sickened by a baby having this and dying before living. I just have some many questions on how Virus work and just what people need figure out to save lives later on.

And the only way is figuring out the body and why people got sick or didnt.

I think I read one theory that a low death rate in youngsters could be down to the fact that certain cells or systems haven't been developed to the extent they have in adults, so the virus can't use these in the way they normally would to attack the system.

Of course, we should be concerned and naturally cautious when it comes to spreading the virus, especially to young kids. I know a lot of people who have recently become parents and I know it must be a terrible time for them to start bringing up a child with so many concerns.

I'm just cautious over press reporting, if someone has the virus and dies, it doesn't necessarily mean that they died from the virus. I take headlines with a heavy pinch of salt. Definitely better though to be over cautious and not to take any risks.

[John McClane]

Looks like the stimulus checks are going to go straight into our accounts through direct deposit information on file. That's going to be convenient. Wake up and woo! Money.

I already know what I'm doing with mine. Paying off the remainder amount of a loan. That'll put an extra $200 back in my pocket every month, so maybe I'll actually get ahead before the end of the year.

[Mesmerized]

62367

[ashdoc]

https://m.timesofindia.com/city/nashik/nashik-rural-police-act-against-man-wiping-nose-mouth-with-currency-notes/articleshow/74952550.cms

This Muslim guy is deliberately wiping his nose with currency notes to spread coronavirus---coronajehadhttps://youtu.be/ZbuHYs_JVVg

[Yoda]

There've been scattered reports like that all over--some crazy lady went into a grocery store in the US and coughed on food, so they threw it all out. Not sure it's significant on an individual basis, however.

[JoaoRodrigues]

Because of that lady they had to throw $30.000 worth of food to the trash, i read somewhere.

[Yoda]

Yeah, $35,000 they said. Apparently she's been in trouble with the police before.

[John McClane]

Yeah, they used it as an excuse to have her mental health checked, so hopefully she's getting the help she needs.

[NedStark09]

So whats all that so called crap about Trumps people saying Trump wanted to sign ever stimulus check to every american if its all going direct deposit. Maybe we all get a letter for the president saying how much we will get.

[Citizen Rules]

https://m.timesofindia.com/city/nashik/nashik-rural-police-act-against-man-wiping-nose-mouth-with-currency-notes/articleshow/74952550.cms

This Muslim guy is deliberately wiping his nose with currency notes to spread coronavirus---coronajehadhttps://youtu.be/ZbuHYs_JVVgThere's no mention of the person's religion on the news story link that you posted. I watched the video but it's not in English so I don't know what he said. Do you?

[Yoda]

Yeah, and I suspect that may have been why it was posted.

Making a call now: this thread is not for outrage porn. A lot of messed up things are happening, but they're thankfully rare, and full of misinformation, and there's little point in disseminating them except to get ourselves worked up. If we post any we might as well post all, and that's pointless.

[Captain Steel]

Some numbers to put things in perspective...

Spanish Flu Pandemic Ends

By the summer of 1919, the flu pandemic came to an end, as those that were infected either died or developed immunity.

Almost 90 years later, in 2008, researchers announced they’d discovered what made the 1918 flu so deadly: A group of three genes enabled the virus to weaken a victim’s bronchial tubes and lungs and clear the way for bacterial pneumonia.

Since 1918, there have been several other influenza pandemics, although none as deadly. A flu pandemic from 1957 to 1958 killed around 2 million people worldwide, including some 70,000 people in the United States, and a pandemic from 1968 to 1969 killed approximately 1 million people, including some 34,000 Americans.

More than 12,000 Americans perished during the H1N1 (or “swine flu”) pandemic that occurred from 2009 to 2010.

https://www.history.com/topics/world-war-i/1918-flu-pandemic#section_12

[Yoda]

Here's a very good resource with a worldwide snapshot of the confirmed cases, kills, recoveries, and trajectory:

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

That last bit, the trajectory, is the key thing here. It's easy to have smallish numbers that are actually terrifying based on their rate of increase (200 doesn't sound like a lot, but if it comes the day after 100, which came the day after 50...you get the idea). Speed, too, since the biggest risk is overwhelming the health care system so that even OTHER things which are not normally fatal become so, simply because they can't be properly treated. Comparisons to other pandemics need to feature an equivalent amount of speed, because that seems to be the most important component of this.

[ynwtf]

People close (friends, coworkers) keep falling back to "low numbers." If they stay low, great. I hope they do. But I always argue (argue is a strong word) that they need to be mindful of the scale at which those low numbers increase from day to day. They usually seem shocked and then agree that stay-at-home measures are a good idea. Next day? It's like we never had the conversation.

[Yoda]

The only way to get perspective on this illness relative to others is to post numbers about the infection and death rates are similar points in the process. And even that isn't really a meaningful comparison if one is far more contagious and spreading faster.

[ashdoc]

There's no mention of the person's religion on the news story link that you posted. I watched the video but it's not in English so I don't know what he said. Do you?

He is saying in hindi language that coronavirus has no cure . It is wrath of Allah for people like you.

[WrinkledMind]

He is saying in hindi language that coronavirus has no cure . It is wrath of Allah for people like you.




I am genuinely worried about Tik Tok videos by Muslim youngsters. These lads have huge number of teen followers, and some of the videos are just scandalous. Urging people to hug, share same water bottle and food with Corona patients because being a respectful human is more important than fearing death. Absolute Muppets.

[MovieGal]

I work for an alarm company. At one time we were the parent company of ADT for those familiar with it. We are considered "essential" due to the monitoring and servicing of fire, burglar, close circuit tv and card access. We were informed today our work shift will be cut back by 1 hour a day starting Monday. Let's just hope it's only 1 hour until the Covid 19 pandemic is over.

[ashdoc]

I am genuinely worried about Tik Tok videos by Muslim youngsters. These lads have huge number of teen followers, and some of the videos are just scandalous. Urging people to hug, share same water bottle and food with Corona patients because being a respectful human is more important than fearing death. Absolute Muppets.

Respectful human my foot....I have seen videos where they are openly urging to ignore coronavirus and meet each other without regard for rules of social distancing because life and death is in Allah's hands and allah will protect them

[WrinkledMind]

Respectful human my foot....I have seen videos where they are openly urging to ignore coronavirus and meet each other without regard for rules of social distancing because life and death is in Allah's hands and allah will protect them


The young ones need guidance to be perfectly honest, because apparently drinking from same bottle and eating from same dish is apparently some sort of good thing in their religion. They keep saying the word 'Sunnat' for it in all these videos.


It is not something that should be done during a pandemic.

[John McClane]

I work for an alarm company. At one time we were the parent company of ADT for those familiar with it. We are considered "essential" due to the monitoring and servicing of fire, burglar, close circuit tv and card access. We were informed today our work shift will be cut back by 1 hour a day starting Monday. Let's just hope it's only 1 hour until the Covid 19 pandemic is over.Can you let me know which hour? My neighbor has some really cool stuff. ;)

I am genuinely worried about Tik Tok videos by Muslim youngsters. These lads have huge number of teen followers, and some of the videos are just scandalous. Urging people to hug, share same water bottle and food with Corona patients because being a respectful human is more important than fearing death. Absolute Muppets.TikTok is evil in general, so you'll have no complaints from me on that. Five minutes on the app was all I needed to know I will never use it. It's the social media of rich white kids and conspiracy theorists.

[ashdoc]

It's a Chinese app so it should be boycotted anyway in the current atmosphere.

[Citizen Rules]

He is saying in hindi language that coronavirus has no cure . It is wrath of Allah for people like you.I've read about a few fringe Christian pastors who've claimed the same sort of nonsense. BUT, that doesn't mean that the mainstream Christian community feels that way...and that video doesn't prove that mainstream Muslims feel that way either. It's only one stupid guy making a hate video. With 8 billion people on the planet we're always going to find some extreme individuals. It's best not to extrapolate their extreme behavior into something more broader of the general public.

[CiCi]

A Northern Irish councillor claimed it was because of gay marriage and abortion

[Yoda]

Yeah, there'll be no end of any group we didn't already like beclowning themselves over this. That's what happens when you've got an entire world full of fools to choose from. Hence the earlier comment about "outrage porn." It's shooting fish in a barrel and doesn't help or mean much.

[John McClane]

Meanwhile, there’s like actual threats going on because of this and it gets dicey:

“Moreno now faces a federal charge of one count of *train wrecking* (https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/02/825897966/train-engineer-says-he-crashed-in-attempt-to-attack-navy-hospital-ship-in-l-a) — a crime that carries a maximum penalty of 20 years in prison.”

[Mesmerized]

Meanwhile, there’s like actual threats going on because of this and it gets dicey:

“Moreno now faces a federal charge of one count of *train wrecking* (https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/02/825897966/train-engineer-says-he-crashed-in-attempt-to-attack-navy-hospital-ship-in-l-a) — a crime that carries a maximum penalty of 20 years in prison.”

That's crazy. He sounds exceptionally paranoid of a hospital ship.

[MovieGal]

Can you let me know which hour? My neighbor has some really cool stuff. ;)


Does your friend own a company? we only do Commerical, and Nation-wide Companies and Government/Department of Defense locations.

It will be tough for me. My coworker is out and I have to schedule inspections for 40 different branches over about 15 states.

[MovieGal]

lol there is an advertisement on tv right now for generic Cialis and Viagra. I guess they want to replace the humans that has been taken by Covid-19.

[Chypmunk]

'Self-isolation' and lockdowns prolly already taking care of that.

[ashdoc]

https://m.timesofindia.com/city/raipur/born-during-lockdown-raipur-twins-named-corona-and-covid/articleshow/74960551.cms

:DNewborn twins named 'Corona' and 'Covid' in India

[Mr Minio]

Sick names!

[WrinkledMind]

https://m.timesofindia.com/city/raipur/born-during-lockdown-raipur-twins-named-corona-and-covid/articleshow/74960551.cms

:DNewborn twins named 'Corona' and 'Covid' in India




Jerk parents looking for their 15 mins of fame, by using there innocent newborns.

[Sedai]

Meanwhile, there’s like actual threats going on because of this and it gets dicey:

“Moreno now faces a federal charge of one count of *train wrecking* (https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/02/825897966/train-engineer-says-he-crashed-in-attempt-to-attack-navy-hospital-ship-in-l-a) — a crime that carries a maximum penalty of 20 years in prison.”

This story is totally bizarre. I am wondering what he meant when he said "Now everyone will know."

P.S. I still don't know. What are we supposed to know again? ;)

[John McClane]

This story is totally bizarre. I am wondering what he meant when he said "Now everyone will know."

P.S. I still don't know. What are we supposed to know again? ;)That he's crazy?

[Mesmerized]

From these numbers and comparing them with the numbers from yesterday and the day before, it would seem that more than 1,000 Americans are dying each day from the virus.


Currently in the U.S.

Coronavirus cases: 257,379

Deaths: 6,558, R.I.P.

Recovered: 11,941

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

[tgm1024]

'Self-isolation' and lockdowns prolly already taking care of that.

Hah! c'be....

Almost famous for having nailed Madonna once

LOL! Well, nothing says "worth it" quite like needing a tetanus shot...

[Yoda]

A lot of things (and various expert opinions, based on those same things) make it seem like we might see a "peak" over the next 2-3 weeks. Which is another way of saying the bad news is probably going to continue to get worse over that period. Hang in there everyone. :(

[Stirchley]

for a nation of very gregarious, physical, close-knit, family & neighborhood-oriented people this virus was devastating.

This is true of Italy. Second reason was 25% of the population was 65+.

The problem with the six week old story, and it's a problem with other stories that I see especially about young people "dying with coronavirus" is that the articles are always very unclear about their deaths.

Nothing unclear about the 6 week old’s death. She was found unresponsive & hospital declared her death due to coronavirus. Turns out she was 7 weeks old.

I work for an alarm company. We were informed today our work shift will be cut back by 1 hour a day starting Monday.

Hope my alarm company doesn’t do something like this. Home security is paramount where I live.

[Austruck]

A lot of things (and various expert opinions, based on those same things) make it seem like we might see a "peak" over the next 2-3 weeks. Which is another way of saying the bad news is probably going to continue to get worse over that period. Hang in there everyone. :(

And then there's this:

https://triblive.com/local/pittsburgh-allegheny/pittsburgh-professors-see-flaws-in-coronavirus-modeling-predict-more-grim-outlook/?utm_source=second-street&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Trib+Lunch+Box+4%2f3%2f20

[Stirchley]

My day so far: pissing down with rain, cold & windy. Dead skunk in the middle of the road. Strange as it’s a quiet road with almost no cars right now. Different part of town I saw an eviscerated chicken. What a chicken was doing there I have no idea. Fox must have gotten to it.

Heard on the radio that 500 people are dying daily in the UK. Can this be true or did I mishear?

And the first Roman Catholic priest has died in America. RIP

[John McClane]

Some numbers to put things in perspective...

Spanish Flu Pandemic Ends

By the summer of 1919, the flu pandemic came to an end, as those that were infected either died or developed immunity.

Almost 90 years later, in 2008, researchers announced they’d discovered what made the 1918 flu so deadly: A group of three genes enabled the virus to weaken a victim’s bronchial tubes and lungs and clear the way for bacterial pneumonia.

Since 1918, there have been several other influenza pandemics, although none as deadly. A flu pandemic from 1957 to 1958 killed around 2 million people worldwide, including some 70,000 people in the United States, and a pandemic from 1968 to 1969 killed approximately 1 million people, including some 34,000 Americans.

More than 12,000 Americans perished during the H1N1 (or “swine flu”) pandemic that occurred from 2009 to 2010.

https://www.history.com/topics/world-war-i/1918-flu-pandemic#section_12

Here's a very good resource with a worldwide snapshot of the confirmed cases, kills, recoveries, and trajectory:

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

That last bit, the trajectory, is the key thing here. It's easy to have smallish numbers that are actually terrifying based on their rate of increase (200 doesn't sound like a lot, but if it comes the day after 100, which came the day after 50...you get the idea). Speed, too, since the biggest risk is overwhelming the health care system so that even OTHER things which are not normally fatal become so, simply because they can't be properly treated. Comparisons to other pandemics need to feature an equivalent amount of speed, because that seems to be the most important component of this.Another thing to keep in mind is that coronavirus doesn't kill the same way that these other influenza pandemics did.

From what we know it effectively destroys the ability for lungs to process oxygen. It doesn't create an opportunistic environment for bacteria to take over. It just stops the lungs ability to transfer oxygen entirely, which is a far worse outcome/progression than the 1918 flu or the ones from the 50s. Worse yet is that when that stage of the disease is reached there is, according to everything I've read, no returning from it.

[Stirchley]

Super Stop & Shop employees now wear plastic shields. They’re pretty cool.

[Citizen Rules]

And then there's this:

https://triblive.com/local/pittsburgh-allegheny/pittsburgh-professors-see-flaws-in-coronavirus-modeling-predict-more-grim-outlook/?utm_source=second-street&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Trib+Lunch+Box+4%2f3%2f20 From the news article:

They predict that without additional interventions, including additional ventilators — and a vaccine — the pandemic will return with a vengeance the moment society resumes normal activity — regardless of how long a lockdown lasts. I've been saying that for awhile now.

I see these continual signs: that people desperately what this to be over and really want to believe the best case scenarios. As soon as new cases and deaths drop way off, politicians all over America will be pressured by both businesses and the population to end the quarantine. People then will go out in mass to crowded areas and stop being careful...Then all the coronavirus that's still active will have another chance to spread like wildfire in the second wave.

The first wave had a few 'ignition' spots in America, that started the spread of the virus. In the second wave there will be many more 'burning embers' to reignite the spread of the virus. Historically second waves of pandemics can be worse than the first wave.

I'm not trying to be dismal, but realistic.

[Austruck]

Today, our Pennsylvania governor and other officials ramped up their recommendations to include wearing a mask any time we go out in public. So, I'm glad that the ratcheting here is still stricter and not more lenient. It's too early.

[Stirchley]

⬆️ Connecticut might go this way too. I better start looking for a mask(s).

[Austruck]

You can make them easily, with a regular handkerchief and a few elastic hair ties. No sewing needed.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/how-to-make-face-mask-bandana_l_5e876472c5b63e06281d87d9?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAACbd7FB6DOvCPEad54ocdCI73rhoyMLVUnZ218HZ3zAIV8wmIn2jNW8y4wmXSq5mhsClDOycnmVQp8 yrzBS_arp2wwjDlc9e6S9HxkZHbHkL4odexZ4yJ6C_yiTNlOBFvstpul7Kv4SXexL8BqRq1CZmskaBmW4RurfurcwUOm-I

[Stirchley]

⬆️ Well that is pretty darn cool! Because I must have like 200 bandannas in my house. Most of them are brand-new & stiff so I may have to put them through the rinse cycle first. But definitely gonna try this because I do not want to sew. TYVM.

[Yoda]

Yeah, they're not as good as "real" ones but better than nothing. If you can fashion one from thin plastic material like one-time grocery store bags, that's supposed to be best.

[Stirchley]

⬆️ Wouldn’t one suffocate?

[John McClane]

Not looking good for Loeffler.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/4/1/21202900/kelly-loeffler-stock-sales-coronavirus-pandemic

[Yoda]

⬆️ Wouldn’t one suffocate?
It's not airtight. It's just a lot more effective than thread alone.

[Citizen Rules]

All sorts of neat info on best materials for making mask and charts on effectiveness based on laboratory testing...Even a couple fun photos too! check it out

https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/best-materials-make-diy-face-mask-virus/

[Chypmunk]

Full face visored skid-lid is the way to go imo :)

[John McClane]

Keep in mind that just about anything works as a face mask. Even socks. The particles that we cough out are far too big to pass through most fabrics.

[Mesmerized]

I just heard about a woman driver in PA being fined $250 for violating the Stay at Home order.

[Yoda]

Yeah. I think this is going to be a thing they do now and then just to discourage others, but otherwise minimize. The Governor has basically said as much: the goal is to mostly to get the word out and officers have the discretion to just let people know, but that usually means a handful of fines have to be handed out to show the order isn't toothless.

Re: what MattJohn said. Yeah, the homemade stuff is "it's better than nothing." We probably shouldn't be using "real" masks because health care professionals need them the most, but not being the person who needs it MOST doesn't mean there's no use in using what you have, or no use in using them if you already have them.

[Daniel M]

Nothing unclear about the 6 week old’s death. She was found unresponsive & hospital declared her death due to coronavirus. Turns out she was 7 weeks old.

Can you link me to a source for this, please? It is likely she died from coronavirus but I was making a broader point about wider press reporting that has incorrectly made the assumpton that because someone has the virus and has died, that they died from it. I've seen a number of deaths portrayed as coronavirus inflicted, that turned out to be unrelated tot the virus.

[cricket]

2 drivers from a rival liquor delivery company tested positive and 9 others are in quarantine. I don't know who yet but I probably know some of them. One of their drivers lives across the street from me and I've noticed his car there all the time. A guy who works at one of the stores I go to every week had his aunt pass away from it. I've been showing positivity at all times but I've been very worried. Fortunately my wife is staying home but I'm out and about all over the place. I'm being careful but it seems impossible to cover every one of the bases.

[Chypmunk]

Stay as safe as you can crick.

[Stirchley]

Not looking good for Loeffler.

Such an annoying woman. Did you see that lame video she made exhorting people to stay safe? It was on twitter.

Keep in mind that just about anything works as a face mask. Even socks. The particles that we cough out are far too big to pass through most fabrics.

Right. Read someplace that even wearing a regular bandana (how do you spell this darn word?) is better than nothing.

[Stirchley]

Can you link me to a source for this, please?


/https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/newborn-in-connecticut-dies-of-coronavirus/2248709/

[cricket]

During the Swine Flu I was so messed up that I didn't even realize it was going on. There are so many people that have alcohol or drug issues today and I'm sure many of them are either oblivious or throwing caution to the wind. It's very concerning. Me and a manager had to explain to a guy in the warehouse what coronavirus was just last Friday. He knew nothing about it.

[Guaporense]

2 drivers from a rival liquor delivery company tested positive and 9 others are in quarantine. I don't know who yet but I probably know some of them. One of their drivers lives across the street from me and I've noticed his car there all the time. A guy who works at one of the stores I go to every week had his aunt pass away from it. I've been showing positivity at all times but I've been very worried. Fortunately my wife is staying home but I'm out and about all over the place. I'm being careful but it seems impossible to cover every one of the bases.

Try wearing a mask, even a home made one:

https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/best-materials-make-diy-face-mask-virus/

it certainly helps. Even if you catch it, if you reduce the "dose" of the virus by using a mask and washing hands, the symptoms tend to be milder.

[cricket]

Try wearing a mask, even a home made one:

https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/best-materials-make-diy-face-mask-virus/

it certainly helps. Even if you catch it, if you reduce the "dose" of the virus by using a mask and washing hands, the symptoms tend to be milder.

I was given one when I picked up at a hospital a couple of weeks ago but it's small, uncomfortable, and I heard they didn't have much of a shelf life. My wife is trying to dig me out a scarf or something. I just go to soooo many stores and then medical facilities for my part time job, I think I need full protection.

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[tgm1024]

Part of the confusion about lethality is that there are actually two terms that sound the same but as vastly different.

There's more though. This is a good article written a couple days ago:
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200401-coronavirus-why-death-and-mortality-rates-differ

[Citizen Rules]

I just went to the post office and the postal clerks were behind a screen of plastic and 3 out of 4 people in line had face mask, except me and my wife. Good to see people are starting to take this seriously.

[tgm1024]

I just went to the post office and the postal clerks were behind a screen of plastic and 3 out of 4 people in line had face mask, except me and my wife. Good to see people are starting to take this seriously.

Distancing is likely to do a lot more good than the masks I think (I'm not an epidemiologist, but it seems to be what they're saying).

But yeah, it's nice to not see the "But but but X thousand died of the flu last year" nonsensical mindset quite as much.

[Captain Steel]

I'm hopefully predicting Fourth of July this year being like a giant "coming out" party for all of America!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Fq4H4SAb6s&feature=emb_logo

[Citizen Rules]

Distancing is likely to do a lot more good than the masks I think (I'm not an epidemiologist, but it seems to be what they're saying).

But yeah, it's nice to not see the "But but but X thousand died of the flu last year" nonsensical mindset quite as much.Yeah, staying at home and distancing is the best. But in grocery stores and what not there's still a lot of people, hence I wear a face mask.

[John McClane]

Re: home made face masks need to be washed regularly. Like every time you come home after using it. So you’re going to need a few. And you need to remember to wash your hands after handling a mask you’ve worn out and about.

I’ll probably start wearing my balaclava if things get worse in my area, but right now we have been fortunate. It’s here of course but we’re managing it.

And if you want a quick and easy face mask go buy some boxer briefs. You’re not going to look any crazier than everyone else. Even with underwear on your head.

[tgm1024]

And if you want a quick and easy face mask go buy some boxer briefs. You’re not going to look any crazier than everyone else. Even with underwear on your head.

That actually makes dying seem less worrisome.

[Hey Fredrick]

Our state health officials believe we are beginning to "flatten the curve." However our great state leaders, the Gov and Legislature, are not postponing next weeks primary elections and because they are having trouble finding poll workers they will be reducing the number of voting sites in the city to 5. Those 5 places will be packed, elbow to elbow at times, with people. Both parties (R's and D's) are trying to work a political advantage. I will be not be voting. More insanity.

[Mesmerized]

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[Mesmerized]

Currently in the U.S.

Coronavirus cases: 300,432

Deaths: 8,151, R.I.P.

Recovered: 14,464

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

[Mesmerized]

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[Yoda]

https://twitter.com/SykesCharlie/status/1246518486974836741

[Captain Steel]

Yeah, staying at home and distancing is the best. But in grocery stores and what not there's still a lot of people, hence I wear a face mask.

You're doing your part, Rules. And me? Well...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_7FaWnlhS4

[Citizen Rules]

You're doing your part, Rules. And me? Well...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_7FaWnlhS4Ha:p

[cricket]

My wife gave me this to wear for shopping yesterday-

62516

It seemed to do the trick but it is not comfortable.

Then in the evening I had to pick up a sample at a hospital. I wore a surgical mask that was given to me a couple weeks ago at another hospital. This hospital was kind of locked down like the rest and I couldn't find anybody so I couldn't find what I was looking for. It was warm in there and after 10-15 minutes my face started to sweat with the mask on. I finally found the room and she took my temperature to come in. It was a 99 which isn't supposed to be alarming but it's not what I wanted to hear. However I wonder if it was because I was all hot and bothered with that mask on. With everything the health professionals have to go through a simple thing like wearing a mask is miserable. I can't even take 15 minutes. God bless all of them.

[John McClane]

Yeah, and the N95 mask is even worse. I also can’t imagine wearing one for a whole work shift. It’s like breathing through a straw.

[7thson]

Saw this on FB so some of you might have seen it already. It is kinda funny at first, but people down here seriously need to get with the program.



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[7thson]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d120IUsopZI&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR0GokcA5uhjktxltBW2WLhu2gDnVU5d2uACtLpF1QfIlIpCVF7nkiW_Rjk

[Mesmerized]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d120IUsopZI&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR0GokcA5uhjktxltBW2WLhu2gDnVU5d2uACtLpF1QfIlIpCVF7nkiW_Rjk

I love that show. I grew up watching it.

[Austruck]

Saw this on FB so some of you might have seen it already. It is kinda funny at first, but people down here seriously need to get with the program.



62529

Our local streets here in our small town (outside Pittsburgh) are somewhere between Atlanta and Panama City. Still more cars out there than I would like, even with a stay-at-home order. Just hoping they're all people doing necessary business. Like hubby, who works at the nuclear power plant. Last I heard, though, places like Home Depot were still packed with people. (He had to go there yesterday to pick up supplies to fix a sudden roof leak that developed after a bad rain last weekend.)

He did, though, manage to bring these home, so it's a start, at least:


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[Yoda]

New York deaths slowing (https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-04-05-20/index.html), according to Cuomo:

The number of deaths over the past few days has been dropping “for the first time," New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said today during a press conference.

The significance of that is “too early to tell” he added.

Cuomo added that ICU admissions are also down, daily intubations are down “slightly” and the hospital discharge rate is “way up” and that’s “great news.”

He said there is a "shift to Long Island" adding "upstate New York is basically flat… as Long Island grows the percentage of cases in NYC has reduced."

The total number of intubations are down across the state, Cuomo said.

As of April 4, there were about 316 people intubated in the hospital, that number is down from 351 reported the day before.
To be clear, this is more "we might have peaked" and not "things are over." And New York got it worse, so a lot of places around the country probably still have that ramp-up in front of them.

Feels like a lot of things are pointing to the next two weeks getting worse in terms of health care burden, deaths, and infections, but that the initial peak might be over by the time April is. That's something, at least.

[tgm1024]

It was a 99 which isn't supposed to be alarming but it's not what I wanted to hear.

Zeeeeeeeeeero issue with a 99°. Compared to the textbook 98.6°? If you asked her to take your temp again, it could have been above or below that, and the human body gets warmer and colder all the time. It tries to regulate that with sweat and shivering, but it still wanders up and down slightly.

[Yoda]

Yeah, seconded re: temperature. They're saying you shouldn't even treat it as a fever unless you're breaking 100. Depends on time of day, too, and I read something awhile back about how 98.6 isn't even really the average any more (when I was growing up it was sold as the temperature, with anything else being off or wrong somehow).

Worth monitoring, though.

[John McClane]

I typically run 96.4 F in fall/winter for what it’s worth, so a 99.6+ is the start of where I’d start claiming fever temps for myself. But in the summer I run a toasty 98.6 and 99 is just heat exhaustion.

I’ve tracked my temp several times in my life and always found the above to be true.

I’m pretty sure that means I’m a reptile, so be careful. :p

[Citizen Rules]

Well, the whole issue over if Dr Drew was right or wrong in his assessment that the coronavirus wasn't any more dangerous than the common flu...has been resolved. He admitted he was wrong.

Dr. Drew apologizes, was 'wrong' about coronavirus threat (https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/celebrity/dr-drew-apologizes-was-wrong-about-coronavirus-threat/ar-BB12cbT1#image=BB11kjeI|3)

Some highlight from the above news link:

Dr. Drew Pinsky is issuing a mea culpa after continually downplaying the danger of coronavirus for months and claiming it was "press-induced panic." He once said you're more likely to die after being "hit by an asteroid" than the highly-contagious virus.

"My early comments about equating coronavirus with influenza were wrong. They were incorrect," Dr. Drew said on Saturday, referring to his consistent comments from February and March. "I was part of a chorus that was saying that, and we were wrong. And I want to apologize for that."Dr Drew is nothing but a media hound spin doctor using his medical credentials to stick his stethoscope into the arena of politics. At least he was right about one thing, he was part of a chorus that was saying there was no real threat from the virus, and that all came initially from the Trump administration who repeatedly downplayed the threat in the early part of the pandemic. Link (https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/3/13/21176535/trumps-worst-statements-coronavirus)

[Loner]

Tom Dempsey

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjqiq4S9bqA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2X0-jmh21A

“How 'bout you try kickin' a 63-yard field goal to win it with 2 seconds left -- an' yer wearin' a square shoe. Oh, yeah, and no toes, either."

[Austruck]

Also, if you're taking your temperature under your tongue, they tell you not to do it right after having a cold or hot drink. Make sure the inside of your mouth is its normal temperature and not changed by anything you just drank.

[Loner]

Lee Fierro

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQIUja-qkNY

Several decades after the release of Jaws (1975), Lee Fierro, who played Mrs. Kintner, walked into a seafood restaurant and noticed that the menu had an "Alex Kintner Sandwich." She commented that she had played his mother so many years ago; the owner of the restaurant ran out to meet her, and he was none other than Jeffrey Voorhees, who had played her son. They had not seen each other since the original movie shoot.

From IMDb

[Captain Steel]

Yeah, and the N95 mask is even worse. I also can’t imagine wearing one for a whole work shift. It’s like breathing through a straw.

I wore a carpenter's dust mask to the store yesterday.

It wasn't so bad except I wear glasses... and anyone who wears glasses knows where this is going...

Your breath comes up from the mask under your glasses and fogs them up.
So I couldn't see very well, but otherwise it wasn't too uncomfortable.

A big factor is heat - I've worn them in the dog days of summer and that's when they're really uncomfortable.

I kept trying to adjust the little nose clip to try to cut down on the eye glass fogging.

[Austruck]

Loner ... what are your last two posts supposed to mean in terms of the Coronavirus? Me confused.

[Miss Vicky]

Loner ... what are your last two posts supposed to mean in terms of the Coronavirus? Me confused.

They're people who've died from Covid19.

Just found out my best friend's brother has it. Thankfully he's fairly young and otherwise healthy and seems to be on the mend after some pretty nasty fevers.

[Austruck]

They're people who've died from Covid19.

Just found out my best friend's brother has it. Thankfully he's fairly young and otherwise healthy and seems to be on the mend after some pretty nasty fevers.

Thanks, I just saw an article about Lee Fierro elsewhere.

[Mesmerized]

Feels like a lot of things are pointing to the next two weeks getting worse in terms of health care burden, deaths, and infections, but that the initial peak might be over by the time April is. That's something, at least.

I hope so. This whole things a nightmare. I just heard the White House is saying to avoid grocery stores.

[gbgoodies]

New York deaths slowing (https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-04-05-20/index.html), according to Cuomo:


The number of deaths over the past few days has been dropping “for the first time," New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said today during a press conference.

The significance of that is “too early to tell” he added.

Cuomo added that ICU admissions are also down, daily intubations are down “slightly” and the hospital discharge rate is “way up” and that’s “great news.”

He said there is a "shift to Long Island" adding "upstate New York is basically flat… as Long Island grows the percentage of cases in NYC has reduced."

The total number of intubations are down across the state, Cuomo said.

As of April 4, there were about 316 people intubated in the hospital, that number is down from 351 reported the day before.


To be clear, this is more "we might have peaked" and not "things are over." And New York got it worse, so a lot of places around the country probably still have that ramp-up in front of them.

Feels like a lot of things are pointing to the next two weeks getting worse in terms of health care burden, deaths, and infections, but that the initial peak might be over by the time April is. That's something, at least.


The problem with Long Island seems to be that too many people aren't taking this seriously. For example, my neighbors have been having a party outside almost every night, with anywhere from 5-12 people sitting around a square table the size of a card table. I complained to the office about them because not only aren't they social distancing, but they are placing the table ON the walking path, instead of on the lawn area, so people can't even safely walk past them.

If one of them gets the virus, it will spread through my co-op like wildfire. :mad:

.

[Captain Steel]

Also, if you're taking your temperature under your tongue, they tell you not to do it right after having a cold or hot drink. Make sure the inside of your mouth is its normal temperature and not changed by anything you just drank.

That just reminded me of this... (too bad they cut the clip at the best part... when Ralph goes off!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTt1tLK7H3c

[ynwtf]

Our state finally issued a stay at home order Saturday. I needed to come in today for some hardware stuff that I can't do from home, but figured I'd prep everything I need to take back and start tomorrow or Wednesday. I figured half the staff would still come in, given their political views and/or the implied pressure from our bosses, but only two people are working from home today. This is so weird.

[Yoda]

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[Citizen Rules]

Our state finally issued a stay at home order Saturday. I needed to come in today for some hardware stuff that I can't do from home, but figured I'd prep everything I need to take back and start tomorrow or Wednesday. I figured half the staff would still come in, given their political views and/or the implied pressure from our bosses, but only two people are working from home today. This is so weird.I'm curious about your situation ynwtf...what state are you in? and why would the political views cause half the staff at your job to continue to work? and your bosses are pressuring the employees to continue to work despite a stay at home order from the state? Ugh, sorry to hear that.

[Mesmerized]

Currently in the U.S.

Coronavirus cases: 348,042

Deaths: 10,309, R.I.P.

Recovered: 19,208

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

[Mesmerized]

Surgeon general warns this week will be ‘our Pearl Harbor moment’ as coronavirus death toll rises

U.S. Surgeon General Vice Admiral Jerome Adams issued a dire warning Sunday to Americans as the coronavirus outbreak has yet to hit its expected peak, but did offer a glimmer of hope in terms of when the situation could improve and how.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/surgeon-general-warns-this-week-will-be-our-pearl-harbor-moment-as-coronavirus-death-toll-rises

[Yoda]

I'd originally planned to probably make one more grocery trip in the next week or so, but now I'm leaning against it. There's a few things I can't order online but I think I'll just ration them and go without for awhile rather than go to the store this week or next.

[Chypmunk]

With a self-confessed chocaholic doing the weekly shop by herself during this pandemic I can say with absolute certainty that there'll be no need for rationing anything Cadburys or m&ms in this house during these dark days. Quite the opposite - give it another month and I reckon 'sweets' on toast might have become de rigeur for brekkie :eek:

[Yoda]

Hospitalizations in New York have gone down a couple of days in a row. Good sign that they've peaked there, and while it hasn't been good, it would've been much worse if they'd kept climbing even a few more days.

That peak is still to come in most other places, since New York was hit so hard and so fast, but it it indicates an initial peak is a couple of weeks (rather than a couple of months) away, that would still be a sizable relief, even though it'll involve quite a few more deaths in a short period of time.

[Guaporense]

Hospitalizations in New York have gone down a couple of days in a row. Good sign that they've peaked there, and while it hasn't been good, it would've been much worse if they'd kept climbing even a few more days.

That peak is still to come in most other places, since New York was hit so hard and so fast, but it it indicates an initial peak is a couple of weeks (rather than a couple of months) away, that would still be a sizable relief, even though it'll involve quite a few more deaths in a short period of time.

But only if a second wave does not occur after lockdown is lifted.

[Yoda]

Yeah, I actually went back and added "initial" to that post specifically because of that. The light at the end of the tunnel around late April/early May is very likely to be more of a break than an ending, significant mostly because it'll give us time to catch up on logistics (both health care and general supplies) for a second wave. Doesn't mean things get easy, or the same, but it does give everyone time to regroup and make sure things never get out of control.

[Stirchley]

And if you want a quick and easy face mask go buy some boxer briefs. You’re not going to look any crazier than everyone else. Even with underwear on your head.

Trust me. If I walk out of my house with boxer briefs on my head I am gonna get arrested. No question.

I’m pretty sure that means I’m a reptile, so be careful. :p

I knew it. :p

Well, the whole issue over if Dr Drew was right or wrong in his assessment that the coronavirus wasn't any more dangerous than the common flu...has been resolved. He admitted he was wrong.

Good Lord, why would anyone listen to him? He’s the host of 16 & Pregnant & Teen Mom.

I hope so. This whole things a nightmare. I just heard the White House is saying to avoid grocery stores.

Guessing Trump has never felt the need to visit a grocery store. So, bad advice.

I'm curious about your situation ynwtf...what state are you in? and why would the political views cause half the staff at your job to continue to work? and your bosses are pressuring the employees to continue to work despite a stay at home order from the state? Ugh, sorry to hear that.

Alabama.

[Stirchley]

I felt so sad yesterday listening to the Queen of England’s speech. For the first time, I think, I was really struck by the gravity of the situation. Terrible times.

https://youtu.be/-npMLdtpOns

[Stirchley]

Walgreen’s, according to my friend who works there, is a cheap ass company. The employees have never had gloves or masks to wear. And anyone who continues to work through the virus until the very end will receive $300. Just handling coins & bills could kill you.

[John McClane]

Little info about coronavirus checks that might be relevant to people. (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/falling-through-cracks-many-americans-won-t-get-coronavirus-checks-n1177266)

Anyone claimed as a depedent over the age of 17 ain't getting anything. So college students, disabled adults, and senior citizens who are claimed as dependents on another person's taxes will not see anything.

[Citizen Rules]

Regarding the 2 trillion dollar stimulus package...we've been on lockdown for like a month at most and already need 2 trillion in relief? What happens in the next 3 months, will there be a need for a 6 trillion dollar stimulus package? I mean if 1 month of pandemic cost 2 trillion where are we finding this money at? and how long does it 'fix' things for?

[Yoda]

Leaving aside the wisdom of the package, I don't think it's supposed to be that one month = $2 trillion. For one, it's supposed to be preemptive (people are going to need this soon). For another, only a fraction of it is the cash payments, half or more is for things like Small Business Loans, which are meant to help small businesses weather, in theory, a few months. Ditto on the larger industrial bailouts.

And, of course, there's a lot of reason to believe it's the initial shock/disruption that's the most in need of being absorbed, so even if this were meant to just cover a month or so, it would be covering the "worst" month, in theory.

Anyway, we "find" the money by taking on debt, which means issuing more treasury bonds, which are paid back over time to the people who buy them. It's basically like taking out a loan, which is common in times of war or disaster. The biggest cause for concern is that our debt was pretty high even in peacetime before this, which has become the new normal.

[Guaporense]

Yeah, I actually went back and added "initial" to that post specifically because of that. The light at the end of the tunnel around late April/early May is very likely to be more of a break than an ending, significant mostly because it'll give us time to catch up on logistics (both health care and general supplies) for a second wave. Doesn't mean things get easy, or the same, but it does give everyone time to regroup and make sure things never get out of control.

I am more optimistic now: In 3-4 months this epidemic will definitely be in the past.

I think that it is more probable that herd immunity will be achieved soon in most Western countries so there will not be a second wave. Or quarantine will continue until the virus gets extinguished.

For the UK in march 30 it scientists estimated between 0.8 million and 3.4 million infected but only 22,141.confirmed cases (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/coronavirus-case-counts-are-meaningless/). So, with 362,108 confirmed cases in US it means there are probably so many infected (the US already has probably at least several million people up to tens of millions already infected) that it is impossible to stop the spread now. Since the virus spreads so quickly, in a few weeks the US will have 2/3 of the population infected (so basically everybody who has not been in strict quarantine), which means that herd immunity would be achieved. These estimates also imply the virus is far less deathly than its official case fatality rates make it appear.

Overall, when the US government estimates the causes of death in 2020, they will estimate Covid-19 related deaths with the methodology of excess mortality (number of people who die over the normal values) during the epidemic. I think we will see many hundreds of thousands of excess deaths observed in this way.

Asian countries seem to be able to suppress the virus, but these countries will have to live with social distancing measures for over a year until the vaccine is available. While in regions of countries like Italy and Spain, the fraction of the population infected is already so high that most people who are still alive in Lombardy already developed immunity from the virus (in many small towns in Lombardy it already looks like everybody got the virus).

[Guaporense]

I felt so sad yesterday listening to the Queen of England’s speech. For the first time, I think, I was really struck by the gravity of the situation. Terrible times.

https://youtu.be/-npMLdtpOns

Merkel's speech is also very good:

https://youtu.be/F9ei40nxKDc

[Stirchley]

⬆️ Yes. Excellent.

[Mesmerized]

Bus driver dies 2 weeks after posting video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpibDL_lViE

[Captain Steel]

I walk my neighbor's dog a couple times a week, now my neighbor says she's really worried because a tiger at the Bronx Zoo tested postive for Covid19!

We talked about animals getting it. I said I suspect the tiger probably got it from the human staff at the zoo, and reassured her that where the dog walks is outdoors which is subject to the elements (wind, rain, ultra-violet radiation, percipitation, evaporation, etc.) so it's highly unlikely he'd come in contact with any infected surfaces - and unlike other dogs, he won't try to eat another dog's poop or drink out of puddles.

One thing I would change for a while is letting people pet the dog. (I've stopped asking to pet people's dogs for a while as well.)
I don't have to worry about him and other dogs since he has dog aggression and pretty much goes ballistic toward other dogs on leashes.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/05/us/tiger-coronavirus-new-york-trnd/index.html

[Mesmerized]

Currently in the U.S.

Coronavirus cases: 369,179

Deaths: 11,011, R.I.P.

Total # of deaths @ Pearl Harbor during WW2: 2,403

Total # of deaths during 9/11 attack: 2,996

Recovered: 19,814

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

[Citizen Rules]

Cruise bookings are on the rise for 2021 despite coronavirus (https://nypost.com/2020/04/01/cruise-bookings-are-on-the-rise-for-2021-despite-coronavirus/)

Some good news that industries will bounce back from the pandemic and life will get back to normal.

...cruise bookings for 2021 are on the rise.
Analysts at UBS say booking volume for 2021 cruises has “gone up 9 percent in the last 30 days versus the same time last year,” despite many cruise ships currently quarantined amid the coronavirus pandemic.

“That includes people applying their future cruise credits from sailings that were cancelled this year, but still shows a surprising resilience in desire to book a cruise,”

[Austruck]

Cruise bookings are on the rise for 2021 despite coronavirus (https://nypost.com/2020/04/01/cruise-bookings-are-on-the-rise-for-2021-despite-coronavirus/)

Some good news that industries will bounce back from the pandemic and life will get back to normal.

Our May 9 cruise was canceled a week or so ago, giving us 100% of what we paid either refunded back to our credit card OR to use toward future cruising. If we choose the latter, they're adding on $600 worth of onboard credit to spend while we're on that cruise.

We're choosing to rebook a later cruise. Their terms are generous. We need only rebook before Dec. 31, 2020... and have until the end of 2022 to actually take that cruise.

I was in a Facebook group for our particular cruise, and as soon as it was canceled, nearly everyone was rebooking a later cruise. Folks who enjoy cruises will still enjoy cruises. And despite other people calling them floating petri dishes, well... in general they're very clean places with constant cleaning going on everywhere the whole time you're on board. The problem comes only when something out of the ordinary happens like this... where folks were stuck on a ship together without a way to get off the ship.

So, it doesn't surprise me that folks are rebooking. We're hoping things calm down enough for us to go on our December cruise this year.

We also recently bought 100 shares of stock in Carnival. :) I have no doubt the industry will improve. Cruisers are crazy-loyal.

[Austruck]

Oh, one fun thing about buying stock in Carnival: if you own 100+ shares, you get $100 in onboard credit every time you cruise. So, at the price we paid for our stock, we need take only about 8 or 9 cruises to "pay" for those shares in onboard credit. :)

[Chypmunk]

Out of interest have the prices for future cruises dropped following the sad instances of Covid-19 onboard cruise ships or are they holding up well? Just wondering if potential bargain-hunting might also be playing a part.

[Citizen Rules]

Our May 9 cruise was canceled a week or so ago, giving us 100% of what we paid either refunded back to our credit card OR to use toward future cruising. If we choose the latter, they're adding on $600 worth of onboard credit to spend while we're on that cruise... I wish we had a cruise booked that had then been cancelled, so we could've then received the $600 onboard ship credit. Sweet deal, I love bonuses!

My wife wants to take another cruise once all this CV stuff is behind us, I'd go too:p So what part of the world are you booking your cruise to?

[Yoda]

https://twitter.com/toad_spotted/status/1247545248760373249

[John McClane]

Austruck: Cruises are disgusting. I don’t care what any cruiser says. :p

Glad to hear you’re getting a sweet deal, tho!

[Mesmerized]

Currently in the U.S.

Coronavirus cases: 369,179

Deaths: 11,011, R.I.P.

Total # of deaths @ Pearl Harbor during WW2: 2,403

Total # of deaths during 9/11 attack: 2,996

Recovered: 19,814

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/


In the past 3 hours since I last posted this, more than 1,000 Americans have died

Currently in the U.S.

Coronavirus cases: 386,104

Deaths: 12,242, R.I.P.

Recovered: 21,316

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

[John McClane]

Sedai

https://kdvr.com/news/man-arrested-in-front-of-daughter-at-brighton-park-for-allegedly-violating-social-distancing/

[Citizen Rules]

https://kdvr.com/news/man-arrested-in-front-of-daughter-at-brighton-park-for-allegedly-violating-social-distancing/ From that link above:

Matt Mooney told the FOX31 Problem Solvers he refused to provide his identification to three police officers because he was confident he wasn’t doing anything unlawful by playing tee-ball with his wife and daughter at the park.Sounds like a jerk and he deserved to be arrested.

[John McClane]

From that link above:
Sounds like a jerk and he deserved to be arrested.From the same article:

"The sign at Donelson Park said “Closed” but in smaller print reads, “in groups of no more than 4 persons, parks remain open for walking, hiking, biking, running and similar activities.”

Dude was there with his wife and kid. They were not breaking the law. He was under no obligation to provide identification. That does not make him a jerk: it makes him a citizen.

[Citizen Rules]

From the same article:

"The sign at Donelson Park said “Closed” but in smaller print reads, “in groups of no more than 4 persons, parks remain open for walking, hiking, biking, running and similar activities.”

Dude was there with his wife and kid. They were not breaking the law. He was under no obligation to provide identification.But he refused to identify himself when asked by the cops. That sounds like someone with an axe to grind and is reason to be detained.

[John McClane]

But he refused to identify himself when asked by the cops. That sounds like someone with an axe to grind and is reason to be detained.No, it sounds like a citizen exercising his rights. Pursurant to Colorado law, the officers were clearly in the wrong.

"16-3-103. Stopping of suspect.

(1) A peace officer may stop any person who he reasonably suspects is committing, has committed, or is about to commit a crime and may require him to give his name and address, identification if available, and an explanation of his actions."

But then again, I know every time I see a man playing ball with his kid in the park that he is intending on knocking over the closest liquor store. So you probably right.

[tgm1024]

The sign isn't what's important. What's important is whether or not the law had been changed or not to disallow anyone at the park since the sign went up.

If the officers are required to stop any access to the park, then they're doing their job. That sign might not reflect the latest emergency ordinance.

BUT, what bothers me more is that we're in a society where it's somehow SO ok and encouraged to give officers crap. Try to imagine a world without cops. It would be a disaster. If we were in a wild un-restrained section of the country, everyone would be *begging* for cops to 1. exist and 2. be overzealous in their actions.

[Citizen Rules]

No, it sounds like a citizen exercising his rights. Pursurant to Colorado law, the officers were clearly in the wrong.

"16-3-103. Stopping of suspect.

(1) A peace officer may stop any person who he reasonably suspects is committing, has committed, or is about to commit a crime and may require him to give his name and address, identification if available, and an explanation of his actions."

But then again, I know every time I see a man playing ball with his kid in the park that he is intending on knocking over the closest liquor store. So you probably right.

Well then he might have grounds for a lawsuit. But he still sounds like an ass to me.

[Citizen Rules]

...BUT, what bothers me more is that we're in a society where it's somehow SO ok and encouraged to give officers crap. Try to imagine a world without cops... Well said and I agree.

Cops are people too and they're just trying to do their jobs in a very dangerous profession...they risk their lives to keep us safe.

[John McClane]

The sign isn't what's important. What's important is whether or not the law had been changed or not to disallow anyone at the park since the sign went up.

If the officers are required to stop any access to the park, then they're doing their job. That sign might not reflect the latest emergency ordinance.

BUT, what bothers me more is that we're in a society where it's somehow SO ok and encouraged to give officers crap. Try to imagine a world without cops. It would be a disaster. If we were in a wild un-restrained section of the country, everyone would be *begging* for cops to 1. exist and 2. be overzealous in their actions.Cops are the last person to understand the law, which is why they are so bad at enforcing it.

Well said and I agree.

Cops are people too and they're just trying to do their jobs in a very dangerous profession...they risk their lives to keep us safe.This is the precise line of thinking that ends in minorities being shot dead.

We all know being a cop is dangerous. We know the job is dangerous. So like, if you're too cowardly to lay down your life on the job then you have no business being a cop. I have zero patience or respect for officers who break the law/SOPs and then claim fear of danger as their motivation for use of unjustified force. Perhaps they should have considered that before joining up.

The real heroes are the ones that don't come home. Otherwise, they are just doing a job. That does not give them license to bully and act like ********.

[Yoda]

I'm a huge proponent of the rule of law, and this is no exception. But deep down civilization is based on people's everyday pliability more than legalese. The cop should not bother them, but I think it's foolhardy and short-sighted to escalate the situation, too, to make a minute point.

It kinda reminds me of people who, because we have free speech, decide the only way to honor that (or to show up people who might curtail it) is to be as confrontational and offensive with that right as possible. Of course the government should not threaten them for it, but the rest of society doesn't have to pretend it's okay, either. In fact, that is exactly the mechanism we should be using: societal disapproval. No actual force behind it, just disapproval. And I personally disapprove of people, in this particular scenario, responding to slightly overzealous police work by ratcheting things up and using even more of the already wasted police effort, at a time where everyone's on edge already.

[Sedai]

Sedai

https://kdvr.com/news/man-arrested-in-front-of-daughter-at-brighton-park-for-allegedly-violating-social-distancing/

Yea, I put this up on my FB this morning. Police state, incoming. Lock and load!

[ashdoc]

I am genuinely worried about Tik Tok videos by Muslim youngsters. These lads have huge number of teen followers, and some of the videos are just scandalous. Urging people to hug, share same water bottle and food with Corona patients because being a respectful human is more important than fearing death. Absolute Muppets.

Yeah you are right

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indiatoday.in/amp/india/story/surge-in-tiktok-videos-aimed-at-misleading-indian-muslims-over-coronavirus-precautions-1662930-2020-04-03

[John McClane]

Granted, we don't know all the facts. And as someone who knows firsthand how bad most cops are at responding to calls that don't involve an active shooter I would assume that they probably told them to clear off, the father probably responded with a quip about it not being illegal, then cops escalate to "I'm stopping you...drop your pants and assume the position", and then dude escalates more by exercising HIS RIGHT to not identify himself.

We long ago reached a point in this country where exercising YOUR RIGHTS is an open invitation to be met with police brutality/asshattery. Just ask the minorities: they have known and experienced this for decades.

All I know is when a cop tells me to do something I do it and then ask why. It's far better to abide by the officer's commands, get their badge number, and then go after their job once you are no longer at the end of their clutches. I'd much rather see people availing themselves of the justice system to get cops suspended/terminated for doing **** like this, but they only bully the poor and the system is designed so the poor can't leverage the rule of law.

[Sedai]

From what I can gather, the family was abiding by the 4-person limit that had been posted at the park itself. I wasn't there, so who knows, but that was the idea I got.

[John McClane]

From what I can gather, the family was abiding by the 4-person limit that had been posted at the park itself. I wasn't there, so who knows, but that was the idea I got.What I mean is we don't know how the encounter went. We don't know if the police officers used threats/rudeness to try and clear them off. We don't know if the man responded rudely when politely asked to leave the park.

But one thing is certain: one of the parties involved used rudeness in the exchange. There's no other reason why it would have escalated to cuffs, but the fact that it ended with the dude in cuffs in front of his kid makes me willing to bet it was rudeness from the officers that resulted in a quip from the dude that they did not like. Why else would you call for backup?

"Uh, dispatch, we got a guy with a wiffle bat refusing to disperse. I'm gunna need backup ASAP. His six year old keeps reaching for something and won't show me her hands."

[Sedai]

What I mean is we don't know how the encounter went. We don't know if the police officers used threats/rudeness to try and clear them off. We don't know if the man responded rudely when politely asked to leave the park.

But one thing is certain: one of the parties involved used rudeness in the exchange. There's no other reason why it would have escalated to cuffs, but the fact that it ended with the dude in cuffs in front of his kid makes me willing to bet it was rudeness from the officers that resulted in a quip from the dude that they did not like. Why else would you call for backup?

"Uh, dispatch, we got a guy with a wiffle bat refusing to disperse. I'm gunna need backup ASAP. His six year old keeps reaching for something and won't show me her hands."

I can picture that happening!

[Captain Steel]

From what I can gather, the family was abiding by the 4-person limit that had been posted at the park itself. I wasn't there, so who knows, but that was the idea I got.

Indeed a case of the "cure" becoming worse than the problem.

It's only a matter of time before common sense and logic is disbanded by those in authority or before some come to see the crisis as a means to their own ends.

I also support police and rule of law, but not when police utilize a crisis to fulfill some personal ego need for power and authoritarianism by enforcing laws that don't even exist and stepping on the rights of those who are so OBVIOUSLY doing nothing wrong.

Exactly how can they explain their actions? This guy was with the same 2 people he lives with in close quarters - so how is he now going to spread disease to them, outside, yards and yards away from any other people? And what is safer for people - to be forced to huddle indoors close together, or to be outside in the elements where the cycles of nature are constantly cleansing all surfaces?

[cricket]

Sounds like the police were being jerks but let's not make it a racial issue. That's more disgusting than the rest of it.

[Citizen Rules]

I sense a colorful conspiracy theory abrew;)

'theory'=wild speculation, I.E. fan fiction

[Captain Steel]

I sense a colorful conspiracy theory abrew;)

'theory'=wild speculation, I.E. fan fiction

If we're talking about the same thing... I think it's AOC's colorful theory...
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/3/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-wants-covid-19-reparation/

[Mesmerized]

62699

[tgm1024]

Cops are the last person to understand the law, which is why they are so bad at enforcing it.

No. Sorry. The majority of folks I talk to do not "understand the law".

"last person to understand the law" ??????????????

Hyperbole doesn't help here. That's setting us up for a conversational abyss.
@Yoda (http://www.movieforums.com/community/member.php?u=1) is busy enough, lol...


This is the precise line of thinking that ends in minorities being shot dead.

No. And going there is a can of worms I'm not going into. Just keep in mind that stats are not what either the left or right are very clear on interpreting.

[tgm1024]

Sounds like the police were being jerks but let's not make it a racial issue. That's more disgusting than the rest of it.

Yes, words of wisdom. I disagree with "jerks" until I know more about what the emergency ordinance says, but I'll certainly support banning this nonsense of having the race card get thrown about.

Oh MAN what a flame-fest that would be.

[tgm1024]

By the way, having the cops engage in "social distancing" is a no-go at the start----I have no idea why that was mentioned other than to confuse people. Cops cannot perform their job in any way by being forced to obey that particular thing. Can you imagine the effect? A criminal thinking that a cop cannot be within 6 feet? Oy!

[Captain Steel]

By the way, having the cops engage in "social distancing" is a no-go at the start----I have no idea why that was mentioned other than to confuse people. Cops cannot perform their job in any way by being forced to obey that particular thing. Can you imagine the effect? A criminal thinking that a cop cannot be within 6 feet? Oy!

But they could practice it with citizens and only have to break with social distancing if they needed to physically stop a criminal or a suspect they were taking into custody.

[Miss Vicky]

This whole topic just smacks to me of "outrage porn" and tangential argument that has little if anything to do with corona.

None of us know what actually happened. There are at least two sides to every story. Maybe the cops were wrong, maybe they weren't. Maybe the guy was in the wrong, maybe he wasn't. Maybe both were. None of us can know.

Perhaps it might be best to move on from the topic?

[tgm1024]

But they could practice it with citizens and only have to break with social distancing if they needed to physically stop a criminal or a suspect they were taking into custody.

In general, giving cops a whole other set of murky guidelines to follow, in addition to all the other ones they have, seems like a bad idea, at least to me.

This is a new situation. Not sure of the rush to judgement against the one organizational force we need right now in a sea of freaked out populace.

[tgm1024]

This whole topic just smacks to me of "outrage porn" and tangential argument that has little if anything to do with corona.

None of us know what actually happened. There are at least two sides to every story. Maybe the cops were wrong, maybe they weren't. Maybe the guy was in the wrong, maybe he wasn't. Maybe both were. None of us can know.

Perhaps it might be best to move on from the topic?

+1

[Yoda]

+2. Definitely veering into outrage porn. And there are all sorts of specifics about the way the two could've talked to each other that might totally explain things, which we simply don't know. Like MattJohn said, someone behaved badly or rudely (whether they were in the right or wrong), but we don't know if it was one, or the other, or both. Beyond that, it's just general preconceptions being applied to a specific situation none of us experienced.

[Captain Steel]

In general, giving cops a whole other set of murky guidelines to follow, in addition to all the other ones they have, seems like a bad idea, at least to me.

This is a new situation. Not sure of the rush to judgement against the one organizational force we need right now in a sea of freaked out populace.

After a month, social distancing is not a murky guideline (it even has designated footage) - in normal times, cops want others to practice distancing with them (ever try to get out of your car at traffic stop and walk towards the cop?)

Their reasoning they don't tend to want people in their personal space is rational - they are armed and don't want people getting close enough to them to assault them or take their weapon.

Personally, I'm not rushing to judgement on a whole force (I tend to defend police in most cases and every incident has its own variables)... but on this case, it's difficult to find mitigating circumstances for the cops' actions... (for example, if the man became beligerent AND violent towards them, I'd trust that would have been part of the story and the actual reason for cuffing him, not being in a park playing ball with his wife and kid - especially when the park had posted specific regulations of group sizes and saying it was open for physical activities).

The family was within all posted guidelines so there was no reason to harass them or order them to leave when they were within the lawful and posted regulations.

[John McClane]

It ain’t outrage porn. It’s solid reporting about real world repercussions from the current climate in this country. And anyone dismissing it as outrage porn is missing the bigger picture and doing a disservice to themselves.

The government tells us that social distancing outside in parks is ok. Then cops show up and throw their weight around. Cops are an extension of government, so you see the disconnect here, right?

We will see more of this if the climate gets any worse. Right now we are part of one large social experiment.

And as an aside, anyone depending on the cops to respond/protect them is usually the one that has an outline drawn around them when they show up.

And why is everyone talking about race all of a sudden? Corona ain’t racist. It’s opportunist.

[Austruck]

Austruck: Cruises are disgusting. I don’t care what any cruiser says. :p

Glad to hear you’re getting a sweet deal, tho!

Have you ever been on one? Seriously fun, and inexpensive... and sorry, CLEAN. If you go with the right person(s), it's a blast.

[Citizen Rules]

I have zero idea of what the race of the cops and of the man in the park was. My only information on that event has been this thread. AND I don't care what color they are or if they wear boxers or briefs.

[Captain Steel]

It ain’t outrage porn. It’s solid reporting about real world repercussions from the current climate in this country. And anyone dismissing it as outrage porn is missing the bigger picture and doing a disservice to themselves.

The government tells us that social distancing outside in parks is ok. Then cops show up and throw their weight around. Cops are an extension of government, so you see the disconnect here, right?

We will see more of this if the climate gets any worse. Right now we are part of one large social experiment.

And why is everyone talking about race all of a sudden? Corona ain’t racist. It’s opportunist.

Well said... and this is exactly why I expressed concern about things like "curfews" weeks ago (and again, I understand them in big cities where curfews are sometimes put into effect for a variety of reasons, but having curfews in the suburbs where the people out on the streets after dark are walkers, joggers, star-gazers, dog-walkers - people who pose no threat and are already isolating & distancing based on their activity even in normal times).

And there is a portion of society who will see this crisis and ceize on it as a way boost their agenda & desire for power - there are those who become enthused when they see an opportinuity to expand authoritarianism and invoke ever greater governmental controls on society.

[John McClane]

Oh, I care. If they are wearing boxers I don’t recognize their authority. Only a madman wears those while walking a beat.

Another aside: I only respect laws. If a cop disregards/breaks the law then they are not deserving of your respect. I’ve never understood the idea that you should always respect every office. They’re people, yo. People are awful sometimes. :lol:

[Captain Steel]

Oh, I care. If they are wearing boxers I don’t recognize their authority. Only a madman wears those while walking a beat.

Another aside: I only respect laws. If a cop disregards/breaks the law then they are not deserving of your respect. I’ve never understood the idea that you should always respect every office. They’re people, yo. People are awful sometimes. :lol:

I only wear boxer-briefs now... all the anti-chaffing protection of a boxer with the snuggness and security of a brief! :cool:

[tgm1024]

After a month, social distancing is not a murky guideline (it even has designated footage) - in normal times, cops want others to practice distancing with them (ever try to get out of your car at traffic stop and walk towards the cop?)

I'd argue that if we're talking about a set of guidelines that law enforcement is somehow compelled to comply with, it's absolutely a very murky line to discern. Far murkier than "just cause" as a general principal is.

[tgm1024]

And why is everyone talking about race all of a sudden? Corona ain’t racist. It’s opportunist.

I have zero idea of what the race of the cops and of the man in the park was. My only information on that event has been this thread. AND I don't care what color they are or if they wear boxers or briefs.

Allow me to beg everyone: I'm the last person in the world to speak with authority on dangerous subjects from any kind of high road, but regardless, maybe don't bring up that word again. It's just gasoline waiting for a match.

Cops and law by themselves as a subject is likely ok I'm guessing, but when the word after Q words shows up, outrage is upon the wind and is a'comin'....

Up to Yoder...

[Captain Steel]

I'd argue that if we're talking about a set of guidelines that law enforcement is somehow compelled to comply with, it's absolutely a very murky line to discern. Far murkier than "just cause" as a general principal is.

I don't see how it's murky. These new societal rules are being given to everyone since virus doesn't discriminate.

Even in normal times, no one (cops especially) should violate someone's personal space (usually considered a 2 foot circle) if they are not doing something wrong.

Social distancing has expanded that space to a 6 foot circumfrence - and it's for mutual protection. For cops (or anyone) it's protecting them FROM viral spread and protecting others from them if they are a carrier.

Not hard to understand or practice.

Now, of course, just like in normal times, a cop may have to violate personal space to apprehend a criminal. (Cops can't violate personal space or apprehend someone if they aren't suspected of a crime, so the general rules of behavior are still the same both within police protocol and general societal norms.)

So nothing really new here - just that, to slow the spread of Covid, we are ALL practicing social distancing (this includes cops) - unless they have to break with the practice for what would be considered an emergency (to stop a criminal), just like an EMT, firefighter or Dr. might have to break the practice to help someone in immediate need.

[tgm1024]

I only wear boxer-briefs now... all the anti-chaffing protection of a boxer with the snuggness and security of a brief! :cool:

A low-road proof of me:

You're likely safe from "lengthening" too. {chuckle}

[Miss Vicky]

And why is everyone talking about race all of a sudden? Corona ain’t racist. It’s opportunist.

As far as I can tell, you're the one that brought it up:

This is the precise line of thinking that ends in minorities being shot dead.

[tgm1024]

I don't see how it's murky. These new societal rules are being given to everyone since virus doesn't discriminate.

Law enforcement by definition have a different charter regarding their conduct than the general populace.

It shouldn't be murky to you and me. It absolutely would be murky as a compelled requirement for cops to follow:Were they always 6' apart?
Does it apply to family members?
Were more than 4 there only for someone to drop something off?
What about people already living together?
What about proof of having had the disease and no longer a carrier?
What about, what about, what about.....
I really think you're oversimplifying this when it comes to law enforcement.

Anyway, I feel out of ways of explaining this thing.

[Captain Steel]

Law enforcement by definition have a different charter regarding their conduct than the general populace.

It shouldn't be murky to you and me. It absolutely would be murky as a compelled requirement:
Were they always 6' apart?
Does it apply to family members?
Were more than 4 there only for someone to drop something off?
What about people already living together?
What about proof of having had the disease and no longer a carrier?
What about, what about, what about.....
I really think you're oversimplifying this when it comes to law enforcement.

Anyway, I feel out of ways of explaining this thing.

I understand what you're saying.

Now, more than ever, a little common sense goes a long way.

For the situation in question - if the father was not breaking the law (and based even on the newly posted regulations, he wasn't) and was not suspected of a crime, he should not have been handcuffed or detained. He shouldn not have been surrounded or had his personal space violated. The cops could have spoken to him if they has some issue that had to be discussed. But based on the situation described, there was no need for cops to even approach him.

Now, even if the father got rude with them - hey, it's a stressful time - if someone is minding their own business, is with their own family (who they'd be together with indoors somewhere anyway) and is not breaking the law and expresses that they wish to be left alone, then they should be left alone rather than being harassed about being in a wide open area with only their wife and kid. Common sense.

[Citizen Rules]

I hope Americans don't start supporting a bunch of extremist conspiracy theories, like some did after 9/11. I mean there's no end to how people could/can and probably will spin the pandemic to give voice to their own personal bias and fears. In when that happens logic goes out the window.

[John McClane]

As far as I can tell, you're the one that brought it up:Ah, that would be my foul then. 😅

I don’t even remember writing that today was such a blur.

Also, this is not outrage porn either.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/fox11online.com/amp/news/coronavirus/bystanders-tackle-man-accused-of-coughing-spitting-on-massachusetts-grocery-store-produce

[Yoda]

Just to clarify, when I say "outrage porn" I don't mean that the complaint or concern isn't genuine, or valid. I mean, primarily, that people are outraged about a situation they don't (and sometimes can't) have any real knowledge of, based primarily on whatever preconceptions they have about the demographics of the parties involved, but it minorities, or police officers, or some other social dynamic that they've decided this is an example of.

It's not hard to imagine versions of this event, consistent with all the reporting, that make either party look highly unreasonable depending on exactly how they behaved. Saying someone "refused" to do something encompasses everything from polite refusal with explanation to cursing someone out for making a benign suggestion, after all.

The main thing is, whatever you thought about the virus, or the cops, or the government, does not necessarily have any applicability or bearing here, and definitely doesn't tell us who behaved in what way absent more information.

That said, I don't have any problem believing the cops were overzealous, or even outright bullying the people. I have no idea. Sounds perfectly plausible, for sure, in part because everyone's on edge. Which is another reason to extend everyone a little more grace than usual, anyway.

[tgm1024]

I hope Americans don't start supporting a bunch of extremist conspiracy theories, like some did after 9/11. I mean there's no end to how people could/can and probably will spin the pandemic to give voice to their own personal bias and fears. In when that happens logic goes out the window.

Too many people aren't trained in recognizing the fundamental logical fallacies (cum hoc ergo propter hoc / post hoc ergo propter hoc / survivorship bias <------check out that last one, super interesting (https://deanyeong.com/survivorship-bias/), etc., etc., etc....) so you end up with all kinds of nutty crap.

[Miss Vicky]

I just had to order exam gloves for the clinic from eBay.

Stores here don't have them. Amazon will only sell to hospitals. Our usual distributor said they can't sell us a box because we bought one last month and they won't let us order another until May. :eek:

[Austruck]

I hope Americans don't start supporting a bunch of extremist conspiracy theories, like some did after 9/11. I mean there's no end to how people could/can and probably will spin the pandemic to give voice to their own personal bias and fears. In when that happens logic goes out the window.

Oh, it's happening. I know someone from high school who is actually a known conspiracy theorist, and he's been ALL over this. He's also got a wicked sense of humor, so SOMETIMES it's hard to tell where he's being serious, but he is USUALLY serious and has gotten into trouble all over the internet for his theories.

Today's latest re. the virus is that the 5G networks originating in China are causing it. Something specifically with the 600mhz frequency.

Yeah, not kidding. He has websites and forums and articles for EVERYTHING. I kinda wish he'd go back to his far more plausible earlier theory that the virus was manufactured in a lab as a bioweapon and released to hurt our elections. :D

[The Rodent]

I think Ozzy Osbourne is Patient Zero. He ate a bat in 1982, probably had the rona since then, so no wonder he's so ****ed up.

[John McClane]

Have you ever been on one? Seriously fun, and inexpensive... and sorry, CLEAN. If you go with the right person(s), it's a blast.Nah, I haven't been on one. I get motion sickness pretty bad, so I just never wanted to take a chance. Plus, the ocean freaks me out. WHY IS IT SO BIG?! :eek:

Why don't people who believe this stuff just go live in a national park? (https://nypost.com/2020/04/05/woody-harrelson-sharing-coronavirus-conspiracy-theory-tied-to-5g/) I mean, if you're really scared about radio waves making you sick you shouldn't be living anywhere near a city or the burbs.

[Nausicaä]

I just had to order exam gloves for the clinic from eBay.

I get mine from traders on Amazon UK so I hope they don't go the same route as America and only sell to hospitals, people outside of hospitals need gloves too! Hopefully if that happens Amazon will take proof that I need gloves to look after someone at home...

Can get little packs of gloves from the supermarket but people are buying those out now I assume for going out in public... and hardly ever in stock.

So for now Amazon is best for me, got two boxes last week.

[Mesmerized]

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[ashdoc]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/india-narendra-modi-set-supply-hydroxychloroquine-us-donald-trump-threatens-retaliation-1496490%3famp=1

Trump armtwists modi to release stocks of hydroxychloroquine to other countries. India has large stocks of the drug for fighting malaria.

[MovieMeditation]

Don't know if anyone from Denmark has updated in here yet, but anyways...

Our country is on full lockdown basically. We are allowed to go out though, but we can only be in smaller groups together at one time. Mostly it's best to just stay at home as much as possible. So I do. Borders are closed of course, and flights too, more or less.

All schools, restaurants, cafés, shopping malls, most stores etc etc are demanded closed. Most supermarkets are open (not those inside malls) and they do theirs to secure safety by putting up barriers and lines in the floor etc to try and minimize the spread...

As for me, I was at the school studying film and television and was send home. So now I'm "back" at the job connected to the school-part of my education, however, my job is also closed down for now... I expect that I will get back to work in the near future though. Limited, of course. For now I'm still getting paid though, as is most people in Denmark. Unfortunately those with their own business aren't and some have of course been fired here and there. It's sad.

So yeah, it'll be interesting to see what's gonna happen. For me, my education, for Denmark as a whole... it's quite interesting all this. Scary too.

[Yoda]

Don't think we've heard from anyone in Denmark, no, but either way, good of you to inform us. Helpful to know how things are all over. Sounds like we just recently became the same way that you've been there for awhile.

Hang in there, MM. :up:

[Yoda]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/india-narendra-modi-set-supply-hydroxychloroquine-us-donald-trump-threatens-retaliation-1496490%3famp=1

Trump armtwists modi to release stocks of hydroxychloroquine to other countries. India has large stocks of the drug for fighting malaria.
As we do more formal research on this, it sure seems like the results are mixed at best. Definitely not something people should be relying on or taking on their own.

Trump may want to tout this as a possible miracle cure, but the data isn't really backing that up at all right now.

[tgm1024]

As we do more formal research on this, it sure seems like the results are mixed at best. Definitely not something people should be relying on or taking on their own.

Trump may want to tout this as a possible miracle cure, but the data isn't really backing that up at all right now.

Yes.

As I look further into it, it's a really tricky med. People need to stop looking at this as some kind of "ta-da" moment, and let the medical community figure things out.

And for the love of God, if at all possible, I hope people learn to bias their information gathering toward the CDC and NIH, and against major media outlets.

[Austruck]

Nah, I haven't been on one. I get motion sickness pretty bad, so I just never wanted to take a chance. Plus, the ocean freaks me out. WHY IS IT SO BIG?! :eek:

I too get motion sickness really bad... It drives my husband crazy when we're in the car. And I can't do ANY sort of amusement park ride that goes around and around. And my VR headset makes me ill if I'm not overly careful.

But I don't get motion sickness on a huge cruise ship, for some reason. (Very little motion, really. Subtle.) Once I had to wear one of those motion sickness patches behind one ear, but it was mild. I was being proactive. It totally helped.

I can't help you with the bigness of the ocean. :D I actually LOVE being out in the middle of the ocean. :) If you don't, you can easily forget that's where you are if you find one of the million other things to do on a ship.

But I totally get it. :)

[Chypmunk]

Woman jailed for four weeks for deliberately coughing at Gardai. Hopefully might deter others from doing same. Source (https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/)

[Citizen Rules]

I too get motion sickness really bad... It drives my husband crazy when we're in the car. And I can't do ANY sort of amusement park ride that goes around and around. And my VR headset makes me ill if I'm not overly careful.

But I don't get motion sickness on a huge cruise ship, for some reason. (Very little motion, really. Subtle.) Once I had to wear one of those motion sickness patches behind one ear, but it was mild. I was being proactive. It totally helped.

I can't help you with the bigness of the ocean. :D I actually LOVE being out in the middle of the ocean. :) If you don't, you can easily forget that's where you are if you find one of the million other things to do on a ship.

But I totally get it. :)I can second that about cruise ships not making most people motion sick. That's because they are HUGE, think of being in a large Vegas hotel but out at sea. The corridors are so long that from inside a ship it looks more like a big hotel than a ship. And the ships all use wing stabilizers that are computer controlled, that stops rocking of the ship.

Oh, my favorite thing is going out to an empty deck at a quiet moment and staring out at the beauty of the vast oceans. The ocean never fails to amaze me.

[Sedai]

Why don't people who believe this stuff just go live in a national park?

They can't. They will get arrested and sent to live on a Christmas tree farm. Haven't you ever seen Leave No Trace (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leave_No_Trace_(film))? ;)

[Austruck]

I can second that about cruise ships not making most people motion sick. That's because they are HUGE, think of being in a large Vegas hotel but out at sea. The corridors are so long that from inside a ship it looks more like a big hotel than a ship. And the ships all use wing stabilizers that are computer controlled, that stops rocking of the ship.

Oh, my favorite thing is going out to an empty deck at a quiet moment and staring out at the beauty of the vast oceans. The ocean never fails to amaze me.

We started taking cruises on a whim back in 2007 -- a shorter one at first in case we hated it. Now we're hooked. I LOVE being out on deck at night in the middle of the ocean! The larger ships also play movies on the Lido deck at night in the middle of the ocean. So I got to lounge on a deck chair with free popcorn watching free movies, and seeing the stars overhead and the ocean on all sides of us. Glorious!

Gosh, I can't wait to go back and am sad our cruise countdown went from just 45 or so days back up to about 270. :(

[John McClane]

Cruise ships have giant gyros in the bottom of the hull that stabilize wayward movement. Saw it once on Modern Marvels.

But seriously, why is the ocean so big?! I'll keep my feet on solid ground. Please and thank you. :D

[Stirchley]

https://youtu.be/-npMLdtpOns

One thing that struck me later about the Queen’s speech is that not once did she mention the fact that her son had coronavirus symptoms & had to quarantine himself. This is typical of Her Majesty. In her long life of duty to the Crown, she has never made anything all about herself.

[Stirchley]

So like, if you're too cowardly to lay down your life on the job then you have no business being a cop.

I doubt very much that any young person enters the Police Academy hoping to prove how brave he or she is by getting killed on the job. :rolleyes:

But one thing is certain: one of the parties involved used rudeness in the exchange. There's no other reason why it would have escalated to cuffs ...

Not sure that’s true. We’ve seen many stories in the news where people have been handcuffed for no discernible reason.

I only wear boxer-briefs now... all the anti-chaffing protection of a boxer with the snuggness and security of a brief! :cool:

Well, thanks for this. :eek:

[Stirchley]

I think Ozzy Osbourne is Patient Zero. He ate a bat in 1982, probably had the rona since then, so no wonder he's so ****ed up.

LOL. My bro in Brum (our hometown & Ozzy’s too) sent his boys to private school so they wouldn’t end up like Ozzy.

[Mesmerized]

In the past 3 hours since I last posted this, more than 1,000 Americans have died

Currently in the U.S.

Coronavirus cases: 386,104

Deaths: 12,242, R.I.P.

Recovered: 21,316

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/


Since posting this yesterday, 2,000 Americans have died. I had heard on the news that the next couple of weeks will be the worst.

Currently in the U.S.

Coronavirus cases: 418,410

Deaths: 14,240, R.I.P.

Recovered: 22,184

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

[John McClane]

I doubt very much that any young person enters the Police Academy hoping to prove how brave he or she is by getting killed on the job. :rolleyes:My point was that real cops (i.e. good cops) join up to help people, and they are the ones that willingly lay their life down. Fake cops (i.e. bad cops) join up for power, position, and prestige.

[Stirchley]

⬆️ I disagree. Nobody wants to die on the job.

Why judge police officers harshly for wanting “power, position & prestige”? Many people want this in their career.

[Yoda]

I appreciate that this is civil and substantive, though I do think it might necessitate a new topic, if people are genuinely intent on continuing.

Re: deaths. Yeah, thousands a day now. Still nothing out of the ordinary, and a LOT of good long-term signs about this leveling off well before the worst-case scenarios. But the next week is still going to bring some grim totals. :( Gotta stay strong, though.

[John McClane]

I'm not saying they WANT to die. I'm saying that they don't think of themselves/their safety when doing the job. Someone looking for "power, position, and prestige" is thinking about themselves/their safety and they make for ****ty cops.

And I judge them harshly because it's a public service job. It's their job to forward face with the public as a source of assistance/help/rescue. It's not their job to bully and brutalize citizens.

[Citizen Rules]

Good news at least for me:) Had to go to Wallgreens and they had wipies, which we bought and toilet paper which we didn't need so left on the shelf for someone else.

[Stirchley]

⬆️ I was surprised yesterday that Walgreen’s still had Cottonelle wipes. Tempted to buy them since they are nice to have, but I didn’t since I don’t want to add another thing that I have to buy on a regular basis.

[Stirchley]

So glad that Modly fellow has resigned. What a tool. Went flying off to Guam with a hard-on for Captain Crozier & after insulting him he left within 30 minutes. Presuming we taxpayers paid for that round trip?

[tgm1024]

I appreciate that this is civil and substantive, though I do think it might necessitate a new topic, if people are genuinely intent on continuing.

Focusing away from cops would certainly be less......flame worthy.

Back to lethality and other cheery @#$%:

The "curve flattening" thing thus far does seem to be working...I'm scared by a grossly overwhelmed healthcare system and what that would look like. NY is right on edge with that now.

BTW, CDC's number take on this: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html

Note, however, that they seem to be making the same mistake in supplying less-useful map numbers that some outlets are. The map is showing number of cases per state. That's not useful IMO. The map should show the number of cases per capita.

Also, be wary of "contracted" numbers. Some are including "presumptive positives" (Such as with the CDC numbers published) and some aren't.

[John McClane]

Focusing away from cops would certainly be less......flame worthy.Flame broiled is the only way I cook my burgers.

[Sedai]

Flame broiled is the only way I cook my burgers.

I am grilling some burgers in a couple of hours...

[Chypmunk]

I am grilling some burgers in a couple of hours...
Have you got your list of questions all sorted in advance?

[Chypmunk]

Just noticed Greenland have gone green today ..... 11 cases - all 11 recovered.
Nice to have some positive news.

[Captain Steel]

61924

There might finally be an explanation for why India and Africa haven’t had much cases yet. Looks like all the malaria infected countries have herd immunity and hence fatality rates are lower. This is probably also the reason why chloroquine is working as a treatment. Check out the world infliction maps above for malaria and COVID - mirror image!!!!

It appears you may have been on to something early on, ashdoc.
Many are now theorizing a connection between countries where anti-malaria drugs are widely used and the lower rates of Covid19. The theory isn't so much herd immunity (although that could be part of it), but that they've been innoculated in a sense with the anti-malaria drugs that seem to help prevent or reduce symptoms of Covid19.

[Guaporense]

In Brazil, deaths have been escalating brutally. Poor countries don't have the resources to accurately measure how many people die, even rich countries like Italy and Spain had so many deaths that they cannot count (the US, for instance, is counting 2,000 deaths in the last 24 hours but I think that the real number is probably twice as big counting people who have not been tested or people who died at home). In Brazil we had 120 deaths in the last 24 hours and our statistics as highly incomplete and the epidemic started here several weeks later than in the US and Europe.

[Stirchley]

⬆️ Try to stay safe.

[Mesmerized]

Hundreds of young Americans have now been killed by the coronavirus, data shows

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/08/young-people-coronavirus-deaths/?outputType=amp

[John McClane]

Yoda - this happens to twitter links posted from mobile. Nvm when I edited off the last bit it fixed itself.

https://twitter.com/covid19tracking/status/1247991939640619008

So all the data I’m seeing/reading now points to issues with the blood of the infected, which then leads to issues with the lung. Something to do with hemoglobins.

[Captain Steel]

The store (ShopRite) was probably worse supply-wise today than it's been since the start of the outbreak!

In some areas, but not in all: bread was back, but there was a surprising lack of produce this time - garlic was sold out (people have obviously heard my theories). ;)

Any packaged goods on sale were gone (sales on Stove-Top-Stuffing, salad dressing, ice cream, and Craker Barrel cheese left these shelves stripped!)

The cheaper tonic water was sold out (obviously people have caught on to the idea of the quinine in tonic).

Paper products sold out (now they had Marcal Toilet Paper by the single roll, but I didn't get any because there was no price - only $9.99 - for what? The giant cardboard box they were in? For a single roll? No info whatsoever on how much an individual roll cost on the price label, so didn't waste my time trying to find out.)

Hand Sanitizers, wipes, disenfectants, bleach, alcohol = still none.
Refrigerated juices = sold out completely.

I saw one worker taking photos of the empty shelves with his phone and telling a customer his mom was never going to believe this.