Coronavirus

[ynwtf]

well, I don't know what the weather is like your areas but here it's gotten hot. plant life is so confused. everything is sprouting. it's late Spring conditions here. all that to say allergies are going haywire! everyone is sneezing, coughing, or has irritated eyes. at first we were all in our individual corners with pitchforks hissing at anyone walking within throwing range so as not get get C19. now, we're all pretty chill trading benadryl stories.

[JoaoRodrigues]

This morning I heard people saying that the hot climate kills the virus? I also heard saying that he can adapt to those conditions. Don't know.

What are they saying about the long-term consequences of the virus to the economies? Short terms the markets speak for itself, huge damages. I'm assuming many companies won't recover from a shutdown. The banks are obviously happy about it. Many people/workers want quarantine, for safety and other reasons, but they are not thinking about the situation they will face when they get back to work, maybe not going to get back at all. The company I work in says they face economic problems, I'm not sure if that's true or not, most say that to refuse paycheck raises, some people say the company won't be able to hold a 14-days quarantine without production. It's not just paychecks, it's delays, contracts, many other things. I'm not worried, I was getting tired of this job anyways, I have other things I'd like to do.

[Yoda]

From what I can recall, because the virus is similar to SARS it doesn't survive as well in warmer temperatures. I think that has more to do with it surviving latent on plastic or metal surfaces and the like, though, but don't quote me on that. I recall the conclusion being tentative and vague, though, too. Sort of "we think there's a chance it'll help a bit," and not "it'll die when it gets warmer" or anything as optimistic as that, unfortunately.

[Yoda]

But don't worry, our collective quarantine just got way easier: Cats is available for streaming!

https://twitter.com/BroadwayWorld/status/1239883685417140224

[NedStark09]

Well, I've been feeling rough since yesterday.


Sore throat, temperature.


No cough or chest problems though.


I don't think this is Covid-19... but I phoned my doc anyway to be sure.


They can't see me until Thursday.


Thursday next week.


9 days to see the doc and get a test done.


It then takes up to 7 days to get the result.


16 days total.


All the panicking, panic mongering, panicking, and the panic mongering, and all the panicking on top of that... then add to that all the panic mongering as well... it takes over 2 weeks to just get a test.


I won't be going for the appointment next Thursday.
If this is Covid-19, it'll be gone by this weekend anyway.


A If Your Throat is swollen and has infection alone you will have fever. I Think With Corona you yes have fever but its at 104 and it doesnt break and feels like the worse flu you ever had.
Sore throat can be allergies and I have symptoms to a cold but I have no congestion every year at this time. A Spring Allergy is likely the cause . Its easy to get a throat infection also when weather changes.

[John McClane]

This staying home business is all well and good for the rich and well off. Who’s going to pay me if I stay home?

My ass is out here being asked to touch hundreds of surfaces. If I didn’t have it already I probably do now.

Radio was telling me to stay home this morning, and work was telling me to come to work. Who to believe? :confused:

[ynwtf]

From what I can recall, because the virus is similar to SARS it doesn't survive as well in warmer temperatures. I think that has more to do with it surviving latent on plastic or metal surfaces and the like, though, but don't quote me on that. I recall the conclusion being tentative and vague, though, too. Sort of "we think there's a chance it'll help a bit," and not "it'll die when it gets warmer" or anything as optimistic as that, unfortunately.


ooooooopsy!
:D



(i'm sorry. i'm bored. and wanted to get that out before anyone else beat me to it)

[Chypmunk]

Radio was telling me to stay home this morning, and work was telling me to come to work. Who to believe? :confused:
Must be extra confusing for those that work in radio :D

[Mesmerized]

This staying home business is all well and good for the rich and well off. Who’s going to pay me if I stay home?

My ass is out here being asked to touch hundreds of surfaces. If I didn’t have it already I probably do now.

Radio was telling me to stay home this morning, and work was telling me to come to work. Who to believe? :confused:

Tell your boss you're not feeling well. They'll insist that you stay home, and you'll probably still get paid. It's called "vacation."

[Yoda]

Tax guy sent me an email today that noted a lot of people in that situation, work-wise, will qualify for unemployment. Lots of special circumstances and funding being pushed through Congress right now to help people get through this.

[NedStark09]

This staying home business is all well and good for the rich and well off. Who’s going to pay me if I stay home?

My ass is out here being asked to touch hundreds of surfaces. If I didn’t have it already I probably do now.

Radio was telling me to stay home this morning, and work was telling me to come to work. Who to believe? :confused:
The Concept of staying home is not meant for the middle class or poor who keep this country going. In Trumps brain as he called it the China Virus . Staying home works for his friends Actors and Pro Sports Players.
But The Mail Men cannot stay home. The Factory workers who package food cannot stay home and Truck Drivers have to keep working. Im sure I am missing other jobs that keep this country going.

[Yoda]

See above. People aren't just being blithely told to stay home as if everyone can do it. It's not the smoothest thing in the world but people are being pretty sensible and realistic about this, hence the unemployment thing. Would advise anyone in that situation to look into it, could be a literal life-saver.

[Yoda]

https://twitter.com/_troyjohnson/status/1239787963170435072

[JoaoRodrigues]

It's funny. Something came and putted everything in place. The gas prices went down, pollution went down, people now have time, so much time they don't know what to do with it. Parents are now with there kids, work is no longer a priority, the same with travel and leisure. Suddenly we know what solidarity is, even being the kind of solidarity the movie The Square talks about, more concerned with ourselves. All the sudden we realize we are all in the same boat, rich and poor, the supermarkets are empty and the hospitals full, and the insurances money bought are no longer available, the private hospitals were the first ones to close. In the garages are equally parked the expensive and cheap junk cars, no one can leave. Half a dozen days were enough for the Universe to establish the social equality that was said to be impossible to restore.

[Mr Minio]

That sounds like an excuse for this. Bro, I'd stay home either way.

[JoaoRodrigues]

Bro, I'd stay home either way.
More miserable than I expected.

[Yoda]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMY0-4p9P-M

[Mr Minio]

More miserable than I expected. poor 2/10

[Citizen Rules]

I heard that the disease would still be around 5 years from now, but by then it will just be treated and reported on like the regular flu (which itself isn't really "regular," but is several different strains that keep evolving & mutating).

Like the flu we know, the Corona Virus will still be killing tens of thousands of Americans a year (especially those in high risk situations just as the regular flew still does just as it has for centuries), it's just our reaction to it and the media's waning interest in it that will make it a run-of-the-mill non-headline.

In other words - the current hysteria is just that!


The media is doing a lot more than just informing people - in some ways they are creating panic. And some people in the media & politics are politicizing the situation and thus spreading more fear whether that is their inteniton or just a by-product of their ulterior motives to utilize this situation against their opposition...

...They [the media] are engaging in exaggerations and constantly throwing out worst case scenarios to the public and doing it 24/7 to the point where it's having a major, rapid and negative effect on the public consciousness.

I sympathize with the media on one level that it's a balancing act: trying to keep the public informed while not causing all out panic.

But since some networks or journalists (be they radio, Internet or TV show hosts or reporters) are more concerned with content to grab viewers (sensationalizing) or politicizing the situation, they are causing panic with irresponsible reporting that is designed to impugn their opposition rather than inform... which ends up in pushing people toward hysteria rather than urging calm & common sense.

Are you sure it's not you who are watching too much media coverage and getting panicked???

[Citizen Rules]

I went shopping yesterday, not for groceries though. At 6 pm, rush hour time, the streets were eerily quiet. The traffic was so absent that roads that normally were jam packed, looked like traffic at 3 am. Kind of nice actually to breeze down the road at rush hour.

[Yoda]

Are you sure it's not you who are watching too much media coverage and getting panicked???
Yeah, at this point I'm seeing way more people saying "the media is panic-mongering" than I am seeing actual panic-mongering from the media.

I also don't see how someone could even know if that's true or not yet, or even properly run the counterfactual even if it seems like that later. It seems like it's just an ideological prior expressing itself reflexively.

[gandalf26]

This is the closest we'll get to the zombie apocalypse so lets enjoy it!

[Chypmunk]

Well BBC News 24 seems to be going all in on the coronavirus and it certainly feels excessive to little ole me. Really wish herself would find a new default channel lol.

[John-Connor]

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[Citizen Rules]

Yeah, at this point I'm seeing way more people saying "the media is panic-mongering" than I am seeing actual panic-mongering from the media.

I also don't see how someone could even know if that's true or not yet, or even properly run the counterfactual even if it seems like that later.

It seems like it's just an ideological prior expressing itself reflexively.Yup, especially to your last sentence. I think for some, excessive media hype, is a catch phrase for politicizing the coronavirus.

Seen this news story last night, IMO it's revealing of the mind set of some.
On Fox News, suddenly a very different tune about the coronavirus (https://www.movieforums.com/community/on-fox-news-suddenly-a-very-different-tune-about-the-coronavirus/ar-BB11hipi?srcref=rss)

[Yoda]

Yeah, at this point everybody who wants to place their bet on it being over-the-top has done so. I see zero value--for them, even, let alone everyone else--to repeating it. It's not useful for them to say it or for others to argue with it any more.

I've enumerated the logic problems with the idea, too, with zero response. Probably best to move on. Don't worry, all those posts will still be there after things improve.

[Guaporense]

This is the closest we'll get to the zombie apocalypse so lets enjoy it!

Indeed. Just got myself locked up at home awaiting for the Apocalypse.

[John McClane]

Unemployment is capped in our state at around $400 a week, which works out to about $10/hr. So I can't even afford to claim unemployment.

I mean, I have the vacation time to stay at home for the rest of this week and all of next week, but I'd put an unnecessary strain on the rest of the department. So that ain't an option either.

All I know is I am in the wrong damn racket for an apocalyptic situation. The demands put on our department have been triple what we normally handle this time of year. I am dead tired, so I honestly wouldn't even be able to tell the difference between virus related body aches and regular overworked body aches.

This corona virus can go suck on a chocolate starfish.

[NedStark09]

I came up with this little thing to lighten the depressing mood.
In This Clip. Hitler In My Mind Is The Corona Virus When He realizes that Chuck Norris DNA Is Being made to fight the Virus
https://youtu.be/ZrHmcpRAZNs

[Mesmerized]

Currently in the U.S.

Coronavirus cases: 5,921

Deaths: 100

Recovered: 74

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

[HashtagBrownies]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland

It's growing too fast here. Only a few deaths thank God.

Kinda scared about going outside, but on the other hand I don't wanna go full Jack Torrance from being stuck in my small house.

[John McClane]

They just gave the OK to start moving office support employees to remote work. Too bad I have a job that is literally impossible to do remotely. I'm telling ya...wrong damn racket!

[cricket]

The other night when picking up at a hospital and being given a mask to wear, I took a selfie and sent it to my regular job's group text (3 other drivers and a manager). The manager told me today that I scared the crap out of his wife. She saw the text before he did and screamed oh my god your coworker has coronavirus!

[Chypmunk]

Saved her the price of an enema - she should be grateful :D

[NedStark09]

They just gave the OK to start moving office support employees to remote work. Too bad I have a job that is literally impossible to do remotely. I'm telling ya...wrong damn racket!
I serious hope you dont get sick and I applaud your strength to go to work knowing you must even in time people cannot understand. My Sisters Boyfriend works at walmart and they have to go even if people would have to pick up stuff from food and things at the front door.

[NedStark09]

They just gave the OK to start moving office support employees to remote work. Too bad I have a job that is literally impossible to do remotely. I'm telling ya...wrong damn racket!
I keep telling people this stay at home is not meant for the Middle Class working people that really keeps America moving. Think theres a Travis Tritt song that would be a perfect example of this. Yes you can make the kids stay home the biggest carriers. If your gonna ask people to stay home then need triple the truck sending so stores arent barron

[WrinkledMind]

Was informed to work from home from tomorrow. Honestly, I have never ever felt so relieved, despite my office increasing my workload. I don't mind doing the extra work if that stops me from visiting office.

Traveling by the crowded local trains has been scar for the last couple of days.

[TONGO]

Wouldn't it be funny if the cure for the Coronavirus ends up being a wedge of lime?

[Captain Steel]

Here's something I don't understand - I heard my area is now instituting a curfew - everyone off the streets by 8 pm!

I don't get this - outdoors is the BEST, safest and cleanest place to be right now! Outside is the place you are least likely to pick up any germs, yet they don't want people outside.

If you're outside you're not spreading germs, you're not coughing onto touchable surfaces, you're not breathing in other people's germs, the cool air & wind is blowing particulate matter off of you. But instead, they want everyone closed up inside with other people, huddled together in little petry dish germ factories.

I get not wanting people to gather, but everything is closed anyway so there's nowhere for people to go "gather" - so what is the point of a curfew? A curfew is actually forcing people to "gather" when they otherwise might just be out getting some air. Someone out walking their dog is not "spreading" the virus to large groups of people (nor are they getting the virus) - so why can't you be out walking your dog, or taking a walk or exercising in the evening or drive in your car?

Is there some kind of rioting or looting going on in quiet suburban towns that people need to be kept off the street?

[WrinkledMind]

Wouldn't it be funny if the cure for the Coronavirus ends up being a wedge of lime?

Me when this turns out to be true.
https://media.giphy.com/media/EsHsAdozNw2jK/giphy.gif

[WrinkledMind]

Here's something I don't understand - I heard my area is now instituting a curfew - everyone off the streets by 8 pm!

I don't get this - outdoors is the BEST, safest and cleanest place to be right now! Outside is the place you are least likely to pick up any germs, yet they don't want people outside.

If you're outside you're not spreading germs, you're not coughing onto touchable surfaces, you're not breathing in other people's germs, the cool air & wind is blowing particulate matter off of you. But instead, they want everyone closed up inside with other people, huddled together in little petry dish germ factories.

I get not wanting people to gather, but everything is closed anyway so there's nowhere for people to go "gather" - so what is the point of a curfew? A curfew is actually forcing people to "gather" when they otherwise might just be out getting some air. Someone out walking their dog is not "spreading" the virus to large groups of people (nor are they getting the virus) - so why can't you be out walking your dog, or taking a walk or exercising in the evening or drive in your car?

Is there some kind of rioting or looting going on in quiet suburban towns that people need to be kept off the street?

If you are infected, then by remaining indoors you are limiting the spread to no one or just a few who are there with you in that closed space.

By going outside you risk exposing others to it.

I know you are speaking against gathering, but mate we can't take that risk. You could spread it while passing by them.

[Captain Steel]

If you are infected, then by remaining indoors you are limiting the spread to no one or just a few who are there with you in that closed space.

By going outside you risk exposing others to it.

I know you are speaking against gathering, but mate we can't take that risk. You could spread it while passing by them.

I'm talking about being alone outdoors - why is walking by yourself outside on the street after 8 pm now illegal? And if being indoors is such a life saver that's going to protect everyone then why is it legal to walk on the street at 7 pm? Does the virus only go outside at 8 o'clock?

[NedStark09]

This Man Needs to be on the Presidents Advisor cabinet.

[NedStark09]

Wouldn't it be funny if the cure for the Coronavirus ends up being a wedge of lime?
As Much aggravation as its coused The Corona Virus needs a Stunner To The Jaw and a proper ass kicking to happen to it.
Example The Corona Virus Is Vince McMahon and he is gonna infect this hospital.
https://youtu.be/An3xn8scEVs

[Mesmerized]

Wouldn't it be funny if the cure for the Coronavirus ends up being a wedge of lime?

I'd prefer pizza as a cure.

[Citizen Rules]

Well, 'cold beer will cure a cold'... So maybe, 'cold beer and pizza takes care of coronavirus'

[gbgoodies]

This is just crazy. Earlier today, I sneezed, and then I noticed that Hubby was staring at me for almost 10 minutes. When I asked him why he was staring at me, he said that he wanted to make sure that I wasn't getting sick.

I actually had to explain to him that it was just a sneeze, and I've been doing that all my life, ever since I was a kid. :rolleyes:

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[gbgoodies]

Helpful tip for Star Trek fans from the official Roddenberry Twitter account:

Need a handwashing timer during the coronavirus outbreak? Recite the Star Trek intro!


https://www.dailystartreknews.com/read/need-a-handwashing-timer-during-the-coronavirus-outbreak-recite-the-star-trek-intro


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[NedStark09]

Yes I have a dry cough and bad sinus and winter is my worst time with gas and dust. I was trying to clear my throat and sinus's and a policeman in walmart asked me if I felt ok. I said I had this nasal issue since i was born its called allergies. Policeman suggested I go home or to ER. Who can afford a 3,000 exam to tell me i need some Clariton

[WrinkledMind]

I'm talking about being alone outdoors - why is walking by yourself outside on the street after 8 pm now illegal? And if being indoors is such a life saver that's going to protect everyone then why is it legal to walk on the street at 7 pm? Does the virus only go outside at 8 o'clock?

What you are saying is correct, but the authorities can't give orders on specific areas. Orders tend to be uniform.
And if they give different orders to different areas, we know how people in crowded areas would react. Some of them will feel like they have been mistreated. And then we will see stupid behaviour, something which we are seeing loads of across the world.

[John-Connor]

New coronavirus can persist in air for hours and on surfaces for days.

Scientists from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), part of the U.S. National Institutes of Health, attempted to mimic the virus deposited from an infected person onto everyday surfaces in a household or hospital setting, such as through coughing or touching objects.

They used a device to dispense an aerosol that duplicated the microscopic droplets created in a cough or a sneeze.

The scientists then investigated how long the virus remained infectious on these surfaces, according to the study that appeared online in the New England Journal of Medicine on Tuesday.

[John-Connor]

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[chawhee]

US cases really escalating now....almost 1000 new cases Monday and over 1700 yesterday?! :eek:

[NedStark09]

Well there seems to be no shield cause you either get it or you dont. This seems to be working through each area of each country. There is no cure seems like. You just either live or die. Infected means 50/50 when it runs its course. WV my state got its first case and thus all bars and eat in restaurant's were closed by the Gov. last night. This whole notion of we gonna give the poor a Thousand doller's. Well sure I'll take free money. But Um if not suppose to be near people how are people suppose to use it into the economy.

[Sedai]

US cases really escalating now....almost 1000 new cases Monday and over 1700 yesterday?! :eek:

This is due to the testing being more widely available. You will see a big spike in reported cases over the next couple of weeks.

[Yoda]

Yeah, reminder that a big surge was inevitable and totally expected. Both because even if what we do helps, it won't stop the initial rise, and because we're going to test more and discover a lot of cases we didn't know about. This is good, relatively speaking: the reason everything is totally shut down is because we don't know who has it. As we get better at finding that out, presumably who stays in or goes out can be a little more targeted.

Keep at it, keep staying in as much as possible, interact with as few people as possible. This week and next, still very important. This helps, even if you see the number of cases going up.

[Mesmerized]

US cases really escalating now....almost 1000 new cases Monday and over 1700 yesterday?! :eek:

Over 7,300 cases now in the U.S. It's becoming very depressing seeing these numbers rise.

[Sedai]

Over 7,300 cases now in the U.S. It's becoming very depressing seeing these numbers rise.


See above!

[JoaoRodrigues]

I'm not certain. I'm not certain about anything. But there's the possibility, or conspiracy whatever you wanna call it, that this virus was laboratory created. In 50 years the world population doubled, it's destroying the planet on all levels, many may argue that many of those are elderly, but with this new wave of migrants, that's no longer a valid point, if you think like they think, I mean, production, cooperation to this system, also the elderly are the more affected, is near a death sentence, they are an old dog that no longer can race, just eat and occupy space, it can't work, it doesn't cooperate to this machine of production. There are possible signs, not to say evidences, that the virus cause infertility, in Muhan's Tongji hospital the specialist Li Yufeng is advising people to make fertility tests. This virus is very similar to the 2002-2003 SARS, they both "take shelter" in the cell known has Angiotensin-converting enzyme 2, that is present in the lungs and testicles, SARS created according to the specialist incredible damaging consequences on the testicles. There's also operational's (nurses, doctors) saying the number of deaths and infected is been largely conceal. In China specially there have been a clima of instability, the Hong Kong situation, obviously I don't believe China would take such measures (infecting the world's population) without international connivance, or even cooperation. It took three months for China to talk about the virus. Many countries knew the consequences of such virus and didn't implement any measures to stop the propagation, my country included, not that I believe in "countries", I believe in what I believe they believe - the common (planetary) good/bad. And if this is the case, I see there point, I can even agree with them.

[Mesmerized]

See above!

Yeah I saw. I really wish the news would start talking about a vaccine. That would be encouraging.

[Yoda]

Over 7,300 cases now in the U.S. It's becoming very depressing seeing these numbers rise.
I hear you. But it really is expected, and for the most part this is just us getting a better understanding of things that had already happened, so take heart, and hang in there.

Our job is to minimize the spread for the next week and a half, then see where we are. A lot of smart and dedicated people are doing their best, so we have to do our best, too. The numbers will go up, that was never in doubt, but take some solace in the knowledge that they'll be lower than they would have been, and that even small differences have a big effect in something exponential like this.

[Sedai]

Yeah I saw. I really wish the news would start talking about a vaccine. That would be encouraging.

I am pretty sure I saw some talk about trials already starting in Seattle when I watched the press conference and follow-up yesterday.

[Yoda]

Yep, I saw something was in trials, and a lab in India has some treatment options. It's early, but it'll get there.

[Yoda]

https://twitter.com/jeremycyoung/status/1239980857865031680

[NedStark09]

Lets See 7,2000 Cases and what 80 something deaths and you finally go to the last state to where all 50 has been reached. Lets just assume this whole extra Disease is meant to go to each Country and a few have to die. But Many more people live. This I am sure makes no human since but if the people who dont get infected and Survive this Bloody Spring when Summer 20 20 ends the virus by way of the hottest lets say May On Record. I may be crazy but I think the world is nearing the end of the well reach of this thing.

[Citizen Rules]

Lets See 7,2000 Cases and what 80 something deaths and you finally go to the last state to where all 50 has been reached. Lets just assume this whole extra Disease is meant to go to each Country and a few have to die. But Many more people live. This I am sure makes no human since but if the people who dont get infected and Survive this Bloody Spring when Summer 20 20 ends the virus by way of the hottest lets say May On Record. I may be crazy but I think the world is nearing the end of the well reach of this thing.Ned, don't worry so much, you are much more at risk from traffic accidents than dying from the Coronavirus. I know it's scary but if you think about all the other risk in life, the Coronavirus isn't that much of a risk to you. But still follow the quarantine rules and be safe, but try to be positive, that's what I'm trying to do.

[Yoda]

https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/1240322017091629058
Stay strong as difficult news comes out. Scroll back in this thread a couple pages and see everyone expecting it. It's bad news, but it's not new bad news or unexpected bad news.

[Chypmunk]

In other news..... I managed to rip a chunk of skin off the back of my hand this morn whilst sofa-dipping..... who said self-isolation has to be boring :D

Chances of me dying from covid-19: 0.00001%
Chances of me dying from sofa-dipping: 0.00003%

It's all about perspective.

[NedStark09]

Im Not thinking I will die but people get touchy when a person says there was a reason for an extra death flu in 2020. But really i think allot of why people get sick is weak lungs from what pollution. Garantee people lungs are weaker then 10 years ago. If maybe some lessons are learned if your asian maybe bats shouldnt be eaten or if your going to the store how about take one pack of 24 rolls of toilet paper so a poorer person can also have toilet paper. And Maybe if an actor maybe not take any rolls just any place that might have a used house or buildings.

[Stirchley]

I call people hoarding and fighting over toilet paper

I succumbed. We don’t need paper towels or toilet paper, but I saw some in Whole Foods & I bought it. Actually both use recycled paper so that’s cool.

Just got an e-mail from a bank saying we will only be able to use their drive-thru as the building will now be closed to customers "until further notice."

I haven’t been inside a bank in years, but I do need an ATM. IIRC, my bank has an ATM outside as well as inside.

I saw a sign to that extent at the Wendy's drive-thru today: safety reasons - they can't have pedestrians in line with cars.

This annoyed me this a.m. The DNKN on my block has now restricted itself to the drive-thru only, which effectively shuts me & most of my neighbors out since we don’t drive. Now I have a 13 minute walk in the opposite direction to get my coffee from a DNKN that does not have drive-thru.

if you're infected doctors go to your house to perform routine checks, only severe cases are sent to the hospitals.

No American doctor would come to one’s house even before this virus. Some doctors are refusing to see patients in the office now, but will do teleconferencing only.

Idris Elba has it now

And this guy from GOT.

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Outside is the best place to be.

I agree; we need fresh air & I am determined to get it. Loads of people today running & walking on a lovely day.

But there's the possibility, or conspiracy whatever you wanna call it, that this virus was laboratory created.

Oof, of course you would think this.

[NedStark09]

I have a Question About Staying At Home deal. What About people who has pets that go outside and come back in. Cats in day can travel a good while then be back home and dogs in the country same. Does Animals not get this or cannot pass it on.

[Yoda]

That's what I've been wondering, since I'm still walking my dog. I think in backyards, fine, and in relatively isolated rural area probably pretty safe, too. I'm definitely trying to get in and out, though, and I'm not really letting him sniff around much any more.

The pet thing is a really tricky edge case, I think. Originally it looked like animals could not carry it or show symptoms but apparently there was a dog in Hong Kong that did, so we don't have great information yet.

[Yoda]

Also, just in general, I would strongly discourage people from using this thread to pontificate about the world, or which ways they think society is broken, or speculate about conspiracies or what have you. That doesn't add anything or help anyone.

Let's keep this for mental health and the distribution of useful information as much as possible.

[Yoda]

https://twitter.com/FoodProfessor/status/1240301424283615232

[Yoda]

Obviously that's anecdotal, but hey, I'll take the good news where I can get it. How well the stores restock this week and next feels like a big deal. Not just for the obvious reasons of availability, but also because if people see this working, they're less likely to panic and hoard.

[Mr Minio]

Sore throat here. I think it's slightly stronger than before, but still not something I could call "painful". Today I'm not coughing at all (sneezed twice, though, and boy does it hurt then). No other symptoms. Hope it will go away soon. Planning not to leave for a month anyway just to be sure that in case it was Corona I'm no longer spreading it.

[Stirchley]

I have a Question About Staying At Home deal. What About people who has pets that go outside and come back in. Cats in day can travel a good while then be back home and dogs in the country same. Does Animals not get this or cannot pass it on.

This could be a disaster for animals if people think they are spreading the virus. (They are not.) You would have vigilante groups hunting & killing pets that are outside.

Obviously that's anecdotal, but hey, I'll take the good news where I can get it. How well the stores restock this week and next feels like a big deal. Not just for the obvious reasons of availability, but also because if people see this working, they're less likely to panic and hoard.

Whole Foods today had many many stripped shelves. I definitely misread how much people would buy the granola & granola bars that I buy because there were none left. :(

[Yoda]

Good idea, Minio. Feel better soon.

It sounds like fever is the key component, without that you can (apparently, always double-check what I say if you can!) be fairly confident you have something else/something normal.

[Stirchley]

Wow, Italy has had 475 deaths in a single day. And an increase of 4,000 cases in a single day.

God help them.

[Yoda]

Yeah, I imagine anything like protein bars or granola bars goes fast after the other stuff, keeps for a long time, simple, compact, lightweight, usually filling.

I've been eating Atkins diet bars for years and I'd just made a fairly big order right before this, so I've got a few dozen of those around. Can get buy on a few per person per day if you really have to, so it's a nice thing to have around.

[Citizen Rules]

https://twitter.com/FoodProfessor/status/1240301424283615232Very true...my wife went to Costco yesterday and she said the shelves were full, plenty of food...but still no toilet paper.

[Stirchley]

Forgot to mention that I saw the funniest thing today. A cosmopolitan food store I occasionally visit had notices plastered everywhere exhorting customers “not to speak unless necessary”. WTH! Funny thing is, the owner, who mans the register, literally does not stop talking for a second & today was no different. :rolleyes:

[Stirchley]

Running off for an hour to give out sandwiches at church. This is something new for me. I will do it every Wednesday afternoon & one other afternoon of the rectory’s choosing.

This will get my mind off myself & my worries. :cool:

[Mr Minio]

Good idea, Minio. Feel better soon. https://i.imgur.com/QkmzuXD.png
It sounds like fever is the key component, without that you can (apparently, always double-check what I say if you can!) be fairly confident you have something else/something normal. Apparently, only about 90% of the cases. I measure my temperature every day, though. It's important not to panic, but also to behave responsibly, hence my one month at home resolution.

I strongly encourage everybody who has the opportunity to stay home. This is the best thing you can do. Precaution is our best bet in the fight. Please remember you can have the Corona without any symptoms in which case you might unknowingly infect other people.

[Mesmerized]

Forgot to mention that I saw the funniest thing today. A cosmopolitan food store I occasionally visit had notices plastered everywhere exhorting customers “not to speak unless necessary”. WTH! Funny thing is, the owner, who mans the register, literally does not stop talking for a second & today was no different. :rolleyes:


I guess the owner finds it necessary to babble.

[Captain Steel]

Also, just in general, I would strongly discourage people from using this thread to pontificate about the world, or which ways they think society is broken, or speculate about conspiracies or what have you. That doesn't add anything or help anyone.

Let's keep this for mental health and the distribution of useful information as much as possible.

Darn! I was just about to post a pontification about a popular conspiracy theory regarding who is breaking society and speculate about what have you. I thought it might be helpful to everyone. :(

:p

[Captain Steel]

I just got back from ShopRite - it was actually better crowdwise than it was last Thursday (maybe that's just because the store's been picked over and all paper products are gone, chicken was gone & ground beef was scarce).

As I'm walking through, I walked by a guy just standing by some pallets of some products, I just smiled as I do to most other customers, as I passed him he coughed loudly multiple times directly toward my face when I was closest to him - about 2 feet away. He made no attempt to cover his mouth! Perhaps I'm just more aware right now - but I don't remember EVER having someone cough right in my face in the store - and of course it would happen NOW! The guy seemed oblivious - didn't apologize or even seem to realize he'd done anything. In normal times, people would not do that - but now, of all times???

[NedStark09]

This could be a disaster for animals if people think they are spreading the virus. (They are not.) You would have vigilante groups hunting & killing pets that are outside.



Whole Foods today had many many stripped shelves. I definitely misread how much people would buy the granola & granola bars that I buy because there were none left. :(
I Am Not By Any means suggesting animals be blamed are harmed. Im Just saying The USA had ample time to help cure or help people by time this started over here.


No our leaders decided to do something when it got here. I mean in movie logic for an example when Space Aliens Knock on your front door it then is too late to then decide to assemble your fighter planes and soldiers.


Point is this is air born i am assuming but obviously not a Global killer. A Global killer is what you see in the movies when people just drop dead by a cloud or something.


You Cant not breath air. People can keep their distance on there own without closing everything. You just explain to people wash your hands clean your homes in key areas and just for now recommend so many people be in places.


You dont gotta cost people jobs or start a panic like has been done here. We are 3 bills in congress away from being like china and beating citizens in the street. Today Our Senator Of Our State said many could be infected we only tested 130 people so far. Funny you dont get people coming in with bad illnesses with Flu Symptoms on a world wide known illness.


I figure people not sick means a Test is not only ways to tell. Our Senator just added I think more fear by saying how bad it could be.


I Have said I think its worse with people knowing and all these rules, We are under an Inhanced Flu. People have been given no hope that if healthy you are fine. Staying in your homes is a fine suggestion but dont mean you cant get it if your going to when all of the world has it now.


Its clear to me if your healthy you will be fine. And if get it you have a better chance to live then die. Caging Up Families is not gonna solve every problem. All Virus have a cycle because the Black Plaque ended when people got cleaner and got rid of rats. All Flus and so on can be beaten.


But people unhealthy need more attention with care. I have been in hospitals when a person has to wait 30 minutes to get a nurse to answer a bell call.

[John McClane]

I didn't think it was possible for my work load to get busier, but it totally did today.

[Yoda]

Well, yes, if you're young and healthy you'll probably be fine, but you're skipping right over the important part: the part where a young and healthy person transmits it to someone who isn't those things. That's the whole idea here.

Regardless, can we ease up on the stream-of-consciousness stuff a bit? Every paragraph seems like a completely new idea and I'm not even sure what most if it's meant to be responding to.

[Yoda]

Prepare to see COVID-19 cases rising. That doesn't mean social distancing has failed (https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/corona-virus-covid-19-1.5499872):

So the cases being counted now were infected in the first few days of March.

And because it takes about 16 days for an infected person to get critically ill, experts predict Canadians can expect to see severe cases ending up in Canada's intensive care units in the next few days.

[Citizen Rules]

I just got back from ShopRite...As I'm walking through, I walked by a guy just standing by some pallets of some products, I just smiled as I do to most other customers, as I passed him he coughed loudly multiple times directly toward my face when I was closest to him - about 2 feet away. He made no attempt to cover his mouth! Perhaps I'm just more aware right now - but I don't remember EVER having someone cough right in my face in the store - and of course it would happen NOW! The guy seemed oblivious - didn't apologize or even seem to realize he'd done anything. In normal times, people would not do that - but now, of all times???That sucks that someone coughed right on you. These days I listen for coughing in the grocery store and if it's on an isle I'm on, I hold my breath and go the other way. I've actually done that for years.

A few days ago I went to the grocery story, walked around the corner and a little kid standing with his mom, turns and coughs right at me, I'm talking like 2 feet! And you know how little kids cough like a virus had programmed their little brains to open their little mouths as wide as possible and literally spit the cough out. Luckily, I've wore a face mask and gloves to the store that last two times I went.

[ynwtf]

A few days ago I went to the grocery story, walked around the corner and a little kid standing with his mom, turns and coughs right at me, I'm talking like 2 feet! And you know how little kids cough like a virus had programmed their little brains to open their little mouths as wide as possible and literally spit the cough out. Luckily, I've wore a face mask and gloves to the store that last two times I went.

lol. I love that description.
but sorry for the kid coughing on/at you.
=\

[Stirchley]

I guess the owner finds it necessary to babble.

Babble or Babel? :D

I didn't think it was possible for my work load to get busier, but it totally did today.

What’s that old adage? If you want something done, give it to the busiest person in the office? I’ve found this to be true.

Regardless, can we ease up on the stream-of-consciousness stuff a bit?

You’re no fun. :D

[Mesmerized]

Thousands flock to Florida beaches, ignoring coronavirus concerns

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/coronavirus-florida-beaches-ignore-social-distancing

Stupid people

[Mesmerized]

Most coronavirus cases in kids are mild, but some are at risk for worse, study confirms

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/most-coronavirus-cases-kids-are-mild-some-are-risk-worse-n1163001

[John McClane]

What’s that old adage? If you want something done, give it to the busiest person in the office? I’ve found this to be true. The crazy part is I haven't even seen the worst of it yet. Once instruction starts back up it will be online and the support demands are going to be unheard of for us. I'm going to be supporting students in several different time zones. I am gunna have to schedule calls like a SOB stock trader. Good thing I worked at an Apple call bank: I can handle it. My phone diagnostic skills are on point.

[Yoda]

Brief stop at the grocery store this evening. Definitely some cleared out areas, which was a little surreal. The entire Ben & Jerry's wall had, like, three pints left out of what's normally hundreds. But there's still a lot of food, just not a lot of very specific types of food. Obviously tons of produce since not as many people are buying it, since it doesn't last. But I don't think people need to worry about not actually having enough food, there's a ton of it once you get beyond the most popular items.

I'm doing a drive-by pick-up tomorrow afternoon, we'll see how that goes, but I'll be sure to mention it here.

[Yoda]

https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1240417363087917056

[NedStark09]

I Did some checking on The Swine Flu In 2009 and 12,000 people in the USA and all 12,000 infected died from it. Over 61 Million people world wide was infected that time and 575,000 people died world wide. This Virus is not done ofcourse but 116 deaths yes thats bad and 1,700 plus cases in the USA. Total or this virus 8,000 plus have died with near 200,000 people being infected. What No Gov is doing is giving you positives .



Its only handing out bad news and thats it. 200,000 People infected but only 8,000 plus so far had died and most deaths was in China.
This tells me people do have resistence to this virus. But People can get regular Flu's allot tend to have bad immune systems. I think governments got paniced by the news and all these people saying the end has come.


Telling people to stay home is fine but I dont think its needed to declare a curefew or close down buisnesses. People need to live lives and. I think making all these rules and not allowing people out just creates more stress. Stress kills allot of people. I am not seeing any positive hope. What we see is people mauling each other for last bit for bread and toilet paper.
By Average 56 Million People die of something each year and 50 some million people are born. Being that most cases are adults means lots of kids doing well. I just have a good feeling and that yes its bad peopled died. But Lots of people die from cancer and heart and kidney disease world wide each year.
Im just saying I think Gov and people are too scared. because a few famous people have it. Maybe difference is with swine flu no one famous got it.

[NedStark09]

Want to be clear I think people should stay home but dont think need close down buisnesses and make Gov order people to stay at home. People can do smart safe things. I stay at home most the time anyways cause not much to do round here. Also if I had Big Money and a nice pool I wanna stay home too like these actors. Im just saying people have common since without need to force people to stay home. Spring Breakers are not the smart people i mean.

[John McClane]

This is America. We don't like having our freedom curtailed. So we definitely need to have the government say **** has got to close.

As much as I hate it I really wish they had been tougher on group gatherings sooner. And I still wish they'd be tougher on it. It's the only way we are going to stop this **** from spreading.

Much better for EVERYONE to be stuck at home waiting it out than just a half baked measure that sees the virus continue to spread because some people couldn't stare at their phone more. I mean, geez, most of us are already staring at it too much. A little more ain't going to kill us. A virus will.

[ironpony]

Well what I don't understand is why are people so concerned about this virus that they are panicking, but no one is alarmed at other ones, such as regular flus, chickenpox, HIV, etc. What makes corona, the devil compared to those ones?

[NedStark09]

The only thing about this is good is that the Serial Killers and Drug dealers have to stay home at night but also when the all go sign to go back to normal happens its gonna be a Cops nightmare. People can and should stay home but at same time Trump and many others know this country cannot afford to keep schools and night buisnesses sports gatherings and movies from being made for so long.By May or June people will have to see a somewhat normal America back


The whole idea of a 1,000 doller pay out to all poor and middle class sounds nice but that only helps one month to those who have pay bills. If your ordered to stay home and cannot work those people should be allowed to have water gas and electric garanteed till its over.

[NedStark09]

Well what I don't understand is why are people so concerned about this virus that they are panicking, but no one is alarmed at other ones, such as regular flus, chickenpox, HIV, etc. What makes corona, the devil compared to those ones?
Also just in Chicago Alone 450 people die a year to crime and the biggest killer of all people is Cancer. And likely allot of people getting sick are likely cancer fighters weak on chemo or kidney and heart disease patients.

[WrinkledMind]

Well what I don't understand is why are people so concerned about this virus that they are panicking, but no one is alarmed at other ones, such as regular flus, chickenpox, HIV, etc. What makes corona, the devil compared to those ones?


HIV is not spread through air.

Vaccination has made sure that chickenpox - a huge killer in the past- is not longer a major threat. Same for Flu, even though it has its share of annual deaths. There are vaccines and remedies available for it.

Unless we create a proper cure for Corona, instead of using multiple drugs, and develop a working vaccine, this is a thing that needs to be taken seriously.

And when you look at the rate at which it is spreading and the new pattern of serious cases in Italy, France and Holland, where even young people are getting critically affected this really needs to be taken seriously.

[doubledenim]

If you love dad jokes, you'll love "parents at home with kids" jokes and memes.

[ironpony]

Oh okay. I didn't think they will invent a vaccine for corona since they have failed to invent one for other viruses such as a cold or HIV. But they might pull it off...

[chawhee]

Reading more reports today about hydroxychloroquine that are demonstrating effectiveness.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/malaria-drug-sees-promising-signs-as-future-coronavirus-treatment

Not the best article, and it's clearly still early to call this a "cure", but there are more articles like this

[Miss Vicky]

My county finally issued a shelter at home order, but veterinary clinics are "essential" so I still have a job.

I've got mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, I'm glad to still have income. On the other, this leaves me more at risk and chronic illness compounds that risk. Scary stuff.

[Yoda]

Well what I don't understand is why are people so concerned about this virus that they are panicking, but no one is alarmed at other ones, such as regular flus, chickenpox, HIV, etc. What makes corona, the devil compared to those ones?
Well, you gave a huge list, so the answer varies for each one, but it's usually some or all of:

1) this kills people at a higher rate
2) this is novel and nobody has immunity to it
3) this spreads faster or easier

COVID-19 is particularly dangerous, nobody is immune to it, and it's not like there's some high-risk behavior you can avoid to dramatically lower your chances of getting it. Just living even a mostly sheltered life basically ensures you will.

There's also the hospital burden. The fact that nobody is immune means places like Italy are having their health care system overwhelmed, which has very dangerous ripple effects for obvious reasons. Nobody has enough respirators for the number of people likely to contract this in a very short period of time.

Efficient systems are almost always overwhelmed by massive spikes in demand for something, and this is that. All the other things you mentioned do not lead to massive demand spikes.

[Yoda]

Oh okay. I didn't think they will invent a vaccine for corona since they have failed to invent one for other viruses such as a cold or HIV. But they might pull it off...
They can't vaccinate the cold because every cold is different. There is no one Cold. When you get one, you're getting a different one, even if the symptoms are basically the same.

As for HIV, it's not cured, but a lot of people live with it for a very, very long time now, thanks to a cocktail of drugs and treatments.

[FromBeyond]

Ive still got a slight sore throat and dry cough and had a couple of sneezes and more times I thought I would sneeze but didn't ... I was really quite scared for a couple of days but had to stop living in fear and depression as I realised that could kill me faster than the virus if it does, Que Sera, Sera .

[JoaoRodrigues]

Portugal is since yesterday on state of emergency. Recent news say we are going to be in quarantine. No more work for me. I'm following the news in American, I don't think they are ready, it's going to be bad, Italy/China bad or worse.

[NedStark09]

Well In Seattle some people with Corona were given experimental injections and a women said she felt great. Its just a test no real vaccine. But I do think there is now a shot for the Swine Flu and Bird Flu. How things happen is we figure a new shot for the next flu strand but usually after it runs its course. People hope likely now is will the spring get hot enough for this virus to die. Or is there something in the spring that grows that ends most viruses.

[Yoda]

Ned, I think it's important not to just spread lots of secondhand stuff, if you can help it. The stream-of-consciousness stuff is hard to follow, as well. And some of it's false: they were definitely not just putting out bad news. The White House, as one would expect, is explicitly telling people to be calm and emphasizing the steps they're taking to prepare.

And the facile comparisons to other unrelated things that kill people don't matter: those things don't have the capacity to transmit to anyone without warning at this speed, and/or overwhelm our health care system.

[John McClane]

Well, they made the decision to send our international students home. That's it for the school year.

Also, this virus is just one of hundreds floating around in animals. If we don't learn from this and start preparing by studying animal viruses. We will be right back here when the next one jumps species.

[Yoda]

https://twitter.com/bluestein/status/1240421489377251333

[NedStark09]

Well, you gave a huge list, so the answer varies for each one, but it's usually some or all of:

1) this kills people at a higher rate
2) this is novel and nobody has immunity to it
3) this spreads faster or easier

COVID-19 is particularly dangerous, nobody is immune to it, and it's not like there's some high-risk behavior you can avoid to dramatically lower your chances of getting it. Just living even a mostly sheltered life basically ensures you will.

There's also the hospital burden. The fact that nobody is immune means places like Italy are having their health care system overwhelmed, which has very dangerous ripple effects for obvious reasons. Nobody has enough respirators for the number of people likely to contract this in a very short period of time.

Efficient systems are almost always overwhelmed by massive spikes in demand for something, and this is that. All the other things you mentioned do not lead to massive demand spikes.
Now your spinning the new negative stuff too much. Your not talking about people treated and surviving and some people must be immune to it if not thousands been dead by the time this country was ready for it.
Its an Air Born killer but there is allot of death in this world. If Gov can call for things to close then why not pass a bill for no guns. I remember the Swine flu it killed lots of people just like this but we had better Government leaders. Say What Will But Clinton then Bush cared about the american people.

[Yoda]

I'm not "spinning," someone asked a question, so I answered it.

"It kills people but there's a lot of death in the world" is not a savvy, wordly thing to say. It's a bizarre thing to say.

"If they can close things why can't they ban guns?" Because of the Constitution. There's a long legal history of the Supreme Court supporting Governors' police power. I can link you to more about this if you're interested, but it feels like you're just saying whatever's popping into your mind.

[Chypmunk]

https://twitter.com/bluestein/status/1240421489377251333
This time next year they'll officially be able to refer to them as an oldrologist friend :)
In all seriousness though - cracking photo!

[Yoda]

This time next year they'll officially be able to refer to them as an oldrologist friend :)
I was gonna say "get out" but that seems like the wrong thing to suggest right now.

[Chypmunk]

I was gonna say "get out" but that seems like the wrong thing to suggest right now.
Not allowed - another week to go :bawling:

[Yoda]

https://twitter.com/Northern_Norm/status/1240522462489706497
BTW, this is probably like the seventh "don't worry about supplies!" thing I've posted. So if you wanna convince yourself I'm engaged in "negative spinning" all it tells me is that you're not reading most of what's posted.

[NedStark09]

Ned, I think it's important not to just spread lots of secondhand stuff, if you can help it. The stream-of-consciousness stuff is hard to follow, as well. And some of it's false: they were definitely not just putting out bad news. The White House, as one would expect, is explicitly telling people to be calm and emphasizing the steps they're taking to prepare.

And the facile comparisons to other unrelated things that kill people don't matter: those things don't have the capacity to transmit to anyone without warning at this speed, and/or overwhelm our health care system.
Trump has been positive its the News that been focused on worst parts but that's how news works.


I just think whole thing was handled wrong and when every country has it Im not sure Staying home is enough by that point.


Also to be fair people who have died likely just couldn't fight off such virus's because lots of people can be weak from something else. From Heart disease to all manor.


No One really knows why this person lives and the next person dies. I just choose hopeful and think Staying Home just didn't need forced on people.


Spring Breakers however is an example that some people are not smart as others.

[NedStark09]

https://twitter.com/Northern_Norm/status/1240522462489706497
BTW, this is probably like the seventh "don't worry about supplies!" thing I've posted. So if you wanna convince yourself I'm engaged in "negative spinning" all it tells me is that you're not reading most of what's posted.
Well Lots stores look better if people dont mob the truck unloader's and grab the stuff before the stock people can put them on the shelves. Im kinda ashamed by some of the videos of how selfish people acting like . Ashamed as a human being.

[Yoda]

Ned, it really doesn't feel like we're having a conversation here, so I'm just gonna stop there, for now.

I would strongly suggest curbing the aimless stream-of-consciousness stuff, particularly the faux-sophical "people die every day" stuff, which has no bearing on the situation, except to potentially make people less cautious than they should be.

Be safe, my friend. :up:

[NedStark09]

Well I think Im done talk about what I think about it and just talk about what will things be like when Virus either runs its course and ends or a cure is found by summer. What will It be like trying to get over Covid19. But we always think of whatever the next bad thing that happens. I intend to stay home and be safe but I wish Godzilla were real and he came out of the water. Something else to talk about would be cool.

[Citizen Rules]

...Also, this virus is just one of hundreds floating around in animals. If we don't learn from this and start preparing by studying animal viruses. We will be right back here when the next one jumps species.I'm glad you said this! The world, and especially the U.S. needs to tell China flat out, NO MORE LIVE ANIMAL MARKETS, or NO MORE IMPORTS FROM CHINA.

Think about all the hassles, loss of business and loss of life that this virus has caused and many experts are saying it's from the live animal markets in China. China could make it illegal to have live mammals, birds and reptiles for sale as food in markets. That wouldn't hurt their national security or national economy at all. It's a simple thing to do.

[ynwtf]

Better Godzilla than Cloverfield! At least Godzilla sometimes shows sympathy, where as Mr. Grumpy Pants Cloverfield over there just oozes more face-melting monsters. Screw that! Maybe the Blob? At least he has a good theme song we could all dance to while we are slowly digested.

I've not seen extreme panic in grocery stories here. Sure, stocks are out in some shelves, but like Yoda mentioned before, there are still lots of other food options in the rest of the store. I may not like deviled ham or quinoa, but if I get hungry I can manage.

I would add that whatever terrifying photos or videos there may be going around, chances are those are very extreme cases and are not representative of our society as a whole. Sure. Nutters be buyin' TP for the next two years' supply, but that's as bad as it's gotten here. Get some popcorn. Relax. Stay in, and watch some movies instead of the news (or dare I say, talk radio).

[Mesmerized]

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[Yoda]

Watching the press conference. So far, it's very encouraging. Not just the fast-track stuff, but more to hear them talking about face mask shortages and stuff, which shows they're aware of the problems and working on them, as opposed to being in denial or focusing on the wrong things.

[John McClane]

I'm going to say something I can't believe I'm saying: I think Trump is doing a damn good job handling this situation.

And I can't believe I'm saying this either but he's probably going to get my vote this time around if he keeps it up.

:eek: :lol:

[Yoda]

Yeah, last few days seem good. I don't really mind that we were caught flat-footed, that seems like an easy mistake to make in such an unusual situation. Could've been better but the real thing is what happens from here on out. If our logistical priorities are smart and swift from here on out we'll avoid the worst, still. I saw someone suggest that managerial competence is about how you react when surprised, since you're definitely going to be, so I care about what we do this week and next more than I care about that initial reaction (or lack thereof).

Still a lot up in the air, though. Cautiously optimistic right now, but there'll still be more (expected) bad news over the next few days.

[NedStark09]

Well Trump Is Least Upbeat about things working itself out when asks people to be patient. Our State Senator Manchin sounded like we should expect to die.

[Mesmerized]

Our State Senator Manchin sounded like we should expect to die.


Everyone must die sooner or later. Didn't you know that?

[Yoda]

Grocery update: some of the stuff ordered wasn't available, no surprise there. You really just order the pickup slot and see what's available, and you can check a box on the site to have similar substitutions. They had a dozen items unavailable and seven substitutions. No bottled water, no eggs, and some of the meat wasn't available. They did have bread, coffee, cereal, and produce.

I went inside as well, briefly, for a few things I couldn't get on the site. Busier than I'd expected or hoped. Encouraging in the sense that there was still plenty of food, but the most wanted items were still mostly gone (from what I saw, at least). But we're not in danger of running out of food at all. Was discouraging to see how many people were still standing near each other. A lady and her kids kinda squeezed by me as I was checking out. Some people wore gloves and masks, most kept a reasonable distance. Most didn't quite get to six feet, though, and a few were definitely getting too close.

So, mix of good and bad signs there, I guess. If this is emblematic a lot of people are maybe still not taking this seriously enough. My hope is that this is one of those things where if people do half of what they ought, it still makes a dent.

[Yoda]

https://twitter.com/annecronin/status/1240712455803682817

[Captain Steel]

My county finally issued a shelter at home order, but veterinary clinics are "essential" so I still have a job.

I've got mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, I'm glad to still have income. On the other, this leaves me more at risk and chronic illness compounds that risk. Scary stuff.

I heard Gov. Cuomo's explanation of "Shelter in Place" this morning and it had so many exceptions that it seemed silly to even issue it as an order (as opposed to just urging people to stay home as much as possible, keep distance from others, and avoid large gatherings.)

While Sheltering in Place, exemptions would be: people who need to walk their pets, people who need to go to a doctor or hospital or take their kids or pets to a doctor or hospital, people who exercise outdoors, people who stopped going to gyms & have moved their exercise to outdoors, people going to parks, people who want to walk on the street, people going to check on or help a relative, people going to check on or help a neighbor, people going shopping at the supermarket or drugstore, people bringing groceries or medicine to someone else, people who just want to get fresh air, and everyone who HAS to keep going to work because their services are essential, they are in a business where they don't have to come in contact with others, they work outdoors or they can't be given time off from their job for a variety of reasons.

Sounds like it would be a lot easier to simply say (like they do during a snowstorm) "Don't go out if you don't have to - stay at home if you can."

[NedStark09]

Everyone must die sooner or later. Didn't you know that?
Nah Just your body dies a soul lives forever. Weither its a good or bad soul is up to a peoples choices in life.

[Miss Vicky]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtN-goy9VOY

[doubledenim]

Had to venture into the wastelands in search of German chocolate, flaked-nut-of-coco, buttered milk and pecans (you bought pecans? but I thought you had pecan trees that produced a bounty of high-priced nutrition that allowed you to make pecan pies with reckless abandon. They don't produce anymore, but there's nothing to blame for it. They're just tired now :suspicious: ) for a birthday cake.


My arrival at the food center did little to ease my mind. People on top of each other, hugging, standing on top of each other grabbing from shelves.... Who cares.


Ima need IT to get me a breakdown of the rate of infection for each political party. Judging by my snippet of social media, I can muster a hunch.

[NedStark09]

Did anyone hear that some asian people in china eat Bats and other odd animals and the combination started this strand. They must have kept out some of that from the films about China. Why would anyone want to eat a flying rat rabies carrier

[Yoda]

I heard Gov. Cuomo's explanation of "Shelter in Place" this morning and it had so many exceptions that it seemed silly to even issue it as an order (as opposed to just urging people to stay home as much as possible, keep distance from others, and avoid large gatherings.)

While Sheltering in Place, exemptions would be: people who need to walk their pets, people who need to go to a doctor or hospital or take their kids or pets to a doctor or hospital, people who exercise outdoors, people who stopped going to gyms & have moved their exercise to outdoors, people going to parks, people who want to walk on the street, people going to check on or help a relative, people going to check on or help a neighbor, people going shopping at the supermarket or drugstore, people bringing groceries or medicine to someone else, people who just want to get fresh air, and everyone who HAS to keep going to work because their services are essential, they are in a business where they don't have to come in contact with others, they work outdoors or they can't be given time off from their job for a variety of reasons.

Sounds like it would be a lot easier to simply say (like they do during a snowstorm) "Don't go out if you don't have to - stay at home if you can."
Except people don't listen, so you need to ask for more than you need for something like this. If you say "hey try not to go out too much" people will go out more than if you say "DON'T GO OUT."

[Yoda]

Did anyone hear that some asian people in china eat Bats and other odd animals and the combination started this strand. They must have kept out some of that from the films about China. Why would anyone want to eat a flying rat rabies carrier
I asked earlier that people not spread possible misinformation or speculate wildly to no end, and this qualifies. Please tamp it down. I've asked a few times now.

I can appreciate that we all have a lot on our minds and maybe a lot we wanna say, but this thread should not just be a dumping ground for everything that occurs to us or every random rumor, either.

[NedStark09]

I was asking if it was true basicly and if so why would anyone want to eat them. Some or near all Virus came from a bad animal situation somewhere.

[John-Connor]

Foods that Boost Your Immune System

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1 Garlic
2 Citrus fruits
3 Red bell peppers
4 Ginger
5 Spinach
6 Broccoli
7 Papaya
8 Almonds
9 Yoghurt
10 Poultry

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[Citizen Rules]

I was asking if it was true basicly and if so why would anyone want to eat them. Some or near all Virus came from a bad animal situation somewhere.I posted the solution to that earlier today. No one commented.

[WrinkledMind]

Came across this rather beautifully made graphic on Twitter.

The signs look ominous. When this is over, Corona will end up higher on the list.


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[John McClane]

Did ya'll see this?

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-03-18/woman-who-flew-from-u-s-to-china-for-coronavirus-test-faces-criminal-charges

[ironpony]

A lot of people are going out in gloves and masks, but does that really work though, or do you actually need those full body Hazmat suits with those decontamination chambers you see in the movies, to actually make a difference?

[Yoda]

Define "work." They obviously help. The masks stop you from coughing contaminated particles onto surfaces. The gloves stop it from getting on your hands provided you throw them out when you're done.

A light Googling to figure out how the virus transmits makes a lot of these questions clear, though.

[Nausicaä]

Never mind the virus, some of us are going to die from a heart attack due to the stress of NO F***ING FOOD IN THE SUPERMARKET!

Last three times I've been in, nothing of worth food wise.

https://media.giphy.com/media/3ohzdMk3uz9WSpdTvW/giphy.gif

[Citizen Rules]

A lot of people are going out in gloves and masks, but does that really work though, or do you actually need those full body Hazmat suits with those decontamination chambers you see in the movies, to actually make a difference?

The virus is thought to spread mainly from person-to-person.


Between people who are in close contact with one another (within about 6 feet).
Through respiratory droplets produced when an infected person coughs or sneezes.

These droplets can land in the mouths or noses of people who are nearby or possibly be inhaled into the lungs.

It may be possible that a person can get COVID-19 by touching a surface or object that has the virus on it and then touching their own mouth, nose, or possibly their eyes, but this is not thought to be the main way the virus spreads.


Of course wearing gloves and a face mask helps, if done correctly and in conjunction with other anti-virus protocols. The virus (as far as I know) can't penetrate your skin if it lands on, so I don't see any use for a hazmat suit.

[MovieGal]

Not sure if this is here...

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Governor Wolf shuts down all "non-life-sustaining" businesses in Pennsylvania

Harrisburg, PA – Governor Tom Wolf today ordered all non-life-sustaining businesses in Pennsylvania to close their physical locations as of 8 p.m. today, March 19, to slow the spread of COVID-19. Enforcement actions against businesses that do not close physical locations will begin at 12:01 a.m. Saturday, March 21.

https://www.northcentralpa.com/life/covid-19_local_resources/governor-wolf-shuts-down-all-non-life-sustaining-businesses-in/article_926d4ddc-6a25-11ea-a446-8b7e70bc1113.html

[NedStark09]

Does That Include Mail Because That would take a act of Congress I figure.

[NedStark09]

Both Italy and Iran seems to being hammered by this. I wont make any comments on Karma when it comes to Irans mis deeds.
Italy saddens me because its beautiful sure enough but seems like allot old buildings. Wonder if have hospitals in older buildings or a new hospital there. Not all countries spend or has the budget the USA has and Japan.

[NedStark09]

I posted the solution to that earlier today. No one commented.
I remember it was suggesting asia just stop doing these things and more better flying and shipping restrictions to these places right.

[Mesmerized]

Does That Include Mail Because That would take a act of Congress I figure.

No. Mail service and other couriers are unaffected by the orders to close.

[NedStark09]

Well that would go in the term non life part cause some people order insolin for the diabtic medicines

[Mesmerized]

Currently in the U.S.

Coronavirus cases: 13,816

Deaths: 207, R.I.P.

Recovered: 108

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

[NedStark09]

There s then 13,500 and something people still alive but still being doctored. And How does won recover that fast to be 108 when it takes a person 14 days to tell symptoms. Id be more happy that Millions of people are not infected and 13,000 plus are still alive even though have it.

[The Rodent]

I just got back from shopping.


Every second Friday I do a shop. 2 week's worth of food and stuff.



6am, shop opens, and the crowd outside of about 700 people almost rioted as the doors opened.
Shelves were empty by 6:15am.


I went round calmly, got myself my 2 week's of regular normal shopping... whereas everyone else was buying 400 packs of toilet roll each, 50 packs of AA batteries each, 150 loaves of bread each, 900 tins of beans each, 1500 sirloin steaks each, and so on, etc.


Crazy ****.


At least the foodbanks will be filled in a couple weeks when people realise they simply can't eat everything they bought before it goes moldy.

[JoaoRodrigues]

Doing introspective, the thing that f%cks me up about corona virus is this: I've been making steps to get away from all this craziness, but unfortunately, I don't have the pleasure to already be away when the sh%t hit the fan. I turn the TV on and I see the comfort junkies battling over things, I get mad because I see I'm still dependable, I don't want to be for long.

[chawhee]

Latest update on hydroxychloroquine....FDA has approved clinical trials for efficacy, NOT approved the drug itself for widespread use. Just wanted to put that in here, because I had to correct some friends that I have after they saw Trump's briefing. Doctors can still prescribe it though and it may help after all!

link for good measure https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/19/politics/fact-check-chloroquine-trump-fda/index.html

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[ynwtf]

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That's something I've never seen in science fiction movies, but now that it's real I have to ask why it was never considered before? lol

Can anyone reference a movie this situation was in?

[Mesmerized]

That's something I've never seen in science fiction movies, but now that it's real I have to ask why it was never considered before? lol

Can anyone reference a movie this situation was in?

He must have a camera on that thing so he can see where it's going.

[NedStark09]

A Question how can a person and then go to the store or get medicine. Lots of people here where i Live there is no grocery delivery from stores. Not to mention people with cancer and liver treatments.

[NedStark09]

I think the stay at home thing go allot better if kinda gave full info on logical things instead coming off as a martial law suggestion.

[Yoda]

They do give full info, and they do make allowances for basic necessities. I'm not sure why you'd just read the chyron and assume that was the whole thing.

Replying off-the-cuff to everything is a bad idea right now.

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[John McClane]

A coworker has been exposed. ****.

[Citizen Rules]

All of California and New York and now under quarantine lock down...I'm starting to really worry. If Washington state goes to lock down, I don't know how I could make money to pay bills? And I'm self employed so I can't collect unemployment...Feeling very dismal right now.

[Yoda]

It sounds like that bill, sending individuals $1,200 (possibly two payments of that amount with an interval inbetween), is going to happen, and fast, so hang in there.

I'd also double-check that unemployment thing, it seems like the normal definition is being expanded in some places.

[Ultraviolence]

Brazil continues to have open airports. It's unbelievable. Irresponsible, what the hell are they thinking? I'm sorry if I look mad, but I am!! The world is closing, and Brazil with its legs open for everyone to come. Amazing. Just amazing.

Things are getting crazy here, and most of it because of paranoia and lack of trustful fonts. Midia around here is exploiting the chinese virus, it sells, right? They just don't care about people.

[NedStark09]

I Have A Question Will I Be entitled. I Get a 800.00 Pension A month barely get 9,600 a year and since on Disablity I dont have to pay taxes. Though pay food tax and property. Will I get a 1,000 or likely 500.00

[NedStark09]

And I Pay Store Taxes when buy things and fire Taxes

[Austruck]

Also, U.S. citizens: That "tax day" bit is for PAYMENT only. You still must FILE your return by April 15. :)

Also also... the reason for the shutdowns is that people will NOT self-police in this situation. My husband was working out-of-state from March 1 through yesterday. (It's been weird going through this alone.) He told me that, where he was working, some guy was in Italy a few weeks ago, and he was worried about getting stuck there. So... what did he do?

He rented a car and drove up into France and then, I think, Germany, where he got a flight to Mexico, then Canada, then drove a rental car from there back to Ohio. So everyone there was warned about him once they found out! So now here's my husband home... with me... Ugh! I need to find out how many degrees of separation there were between him and this guy.

And, my best friend's daughter is headed BACK to the E.R. right now. She went yesterday, presenting with all symptoms, and they had no swabs to test her but said they were pretty sure she has it, then sent her home. But today her temp is higher and she is having more trouble breathing. And she has other breathing issues, so back they go. (If you are a praying person, please pray for her.)

Once it starts hitting home (and it will for each of us), it's a lot easier to shelter in place voluntarily. You know, while the other rude, selfish idiots continue to expose people.

I think the viewing of the movie CONTAGION should be required right now. :D It'll at least remind people of how this stuff gets out of hand.

[Mesmerized]

Brazil continues to have open airports. It's unbelievable. Irresponsible, what the hell are they thinking?


Brazilian nuts

[Stirchley]

Portugal is since yesterday on state of emergency. Recent news say we are going to be in quarantine.

Yet earlier this month you were telling us that Portugal doesn’t give a ****. Your neighbor is Spain, which is hard-hit, so I never understood what you were saying about Portugal.

Also, this virus is just one of hundreds floating around in animals. If we don't learn from this and start preparing by studying animal viruses. We will be right back here when the next one jumps species.

Let’s not blame animals, for heaven’s sake. This all started in China’s live animal markets where animals, including stolen pets, were brutally mistreated & abused. Dead animals, stressed animals, frightened animals - a breeding ground for disease. If any good comes out of this, live animal markets will be banned forever in Asia.

https://twitter.com/Northern_Norm/status/1240522462489706497

I should point out that the photo depicts Tesco, a British supermarket.

I'm glad you said this! The world, and especially the U.S. needs to tell China flat out, NO MORE LIVE ANIMAL MARKETS, or NO MORE IMPORTS FROM CHINA.


Exactly.

50 packs of AA batteries each

Never can understand why people buy batteries in bulk. Yes, we need them, but in bulk?

I think the viewing of the movie CONTAGION should be required right now. :D It'll at least remind people of how this stuff gets out of hand.

Done & dusted. Didn’t even know I own this on dvd. Terrific movie. Prescient.

[Stirchley]

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Frickin sad. Poor little baby in Wuhan, China, born with the coronavirus.

[Ultraviolence]

My town is going to go full lockdown next week even without a single confirmed case of coronavirus. "It's a precaution" the mayor sayed; it's the right thing to do now imo. Walking on streets this morning, I felt like Tom Cruise in the beginning of Vanilla Sky.

My dad and I manage a very small foundry, we are concerned about taxes, since things are stopped. Nobody buying (that include us). Let's see what happens. Going to watch a lot of stuff and play a lot of games next week. Stay safe everyone.

[Miss Vicky]

All this hysteria is getting me worried about medical supplies.

A month ago, I ordered a box of 400 alcohol prep pads from Amazon for about $10. I just checked and the equivalent amount is now going to cost about $50 with a delivery date sometime in May.

As a diabetic on insulin this is very worrying. I'll have to see if I can get wipes or the alcohol itself through work, since the stores certainly don't have any.

[NedStark09]

On Ebay Some person was trying to sale 8 boxes or barilla spaghetti for 49 dollers. People are trying take advantage of other peoples panic. Its disgusting to raise prices as well. If people needed a break its now when people are dying

[Captain Steel]

Also, U.S. citizens: That "tax day" bit is for PAYMENT only. You still must FILE your return by April 15. :)



It's important that we all have accurate info right now.
Based on what I heard & read this morning: the FILING deadline date for taxes has been extended to July 15th.

Let me know if I'm missing something...
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/20/politics/steven-mnuchin-tax-day-july-15/index.html

[NedStark09]

My Sister and her man already did there taxes and because of rules created by Obama they get no returns

[NedStark09]

Me and My Mom never get tax forms because a attorney who helped us get pensions said they only need turn in taxes if have a small job or had been working and didnt report it. Cant they just send out information form to have an idea who gets Stimulus or IDK I get a Gov check for social security use that information

[Captain Steel]

Me and My Mom never get tax forms because a attorney who helped us get pensions said they only need turn in taxes if have a small job or had been working and didnt report it. Cant they just send out information form to have an idea who gets Stimulus or IDK I get a Gov check for social security use that information

Not to go off topic... but there was an episode of Adam Ruins Everything about taxes.
They posited the idea that the government has already done your last year's taxes BEFORE you send your claim in (then they only compare them for discrpencies to see if you're trying to cheat). The show said other countries do the same, but instead of making citizen's file, their govs just send them either a bill or a refund!

(Don't know how this idea works for people who itemize, though).

My mom had tax prep scheduled at a senior center, but first had to postpone after she fell and was injured a month ago - then the senior center called to say they were cancelling all appointments indefinitely due to the virus.

[Stirchley]

On Ebay Some person was trying to sale 8 boxes or barilla spaghetti for 49 dollers.

I only found out this week that eBay actually sells food items. I did not know this. I was looking to buy my granola online since Whole Foods sold out & was pleasantly surprised to find it on eBay for a reasonable price. 6 cartons will arrive tomorrow. :)

[John McClane]

Let’s not blame animals, for heaven’s sake. This all started in China’s live animal markets where animals, including stolen pets, were brutally mistreated & abused. Dead animals, stressed animals, frightened animals - a breeding ground for disease. If any good comes out of this, live animal markets will be banned forever in Asia.Oh I am so going to blame animals. Try and stop me! :D

Seriously, bats are just rats with wings.

And keep in mind that the Ebola virus that ravaged Africa was spread by bats that just happened to be nesting in the same households as humans. No live animal market, no animal brutality, and no dead/stressed/frightened animals. Just a bat chilling in the same area as humans.

I am legit serious. We need to be better prepared for viruses jumping from animals to humans. We continue to encroach on their habits and pay them no mind when we do. This is Mother Earth's way of humbling us.

[WrinkledMind]

Let’s not blame animals, for heaven’s sake. This all started in China’s live animal markets where animals, including stolen pets, were brutally mistreated & abused. Dead animals, stressed animals, frightened animals - a breeding ground for disease. If any good comes out of this, live animal markets will be banned forever in Asia.



The ban if any will be temporary.

Apparently they banned the sale of the meat of exotic creatures like Tigers, peacocks etc after the last SARS outbreak, only to withdraw the ban few months later, by slyly calling the sale of their meat and bones as unique medicines.

It's a huge billion dollar market, that feeds the government and hence has a strong lobbying power over the government.

Unless the entire world comes together and forces China to reform their wet markets, we will see such outbreaks at least once every decade.

The good thing is that there is a sizeable amount of Chinese population that also wants to reform those market. But at the very same time, we know how easily China suppresses any kind of opposition.

[Stirchley]

⬆️ I do hate bats. In fact, they terrify me. There is NOTHING WORSE than a bat inside my house. And it inevitably happens when husband is away & I have to deal with the situation. Ugh.

[7thson]

So I went and got tested at a local drive up area that recently opened up. First little background:

My wife and I went to New Orleans for our anniversary back on the weekend of the 7th. Things were not quite so crazy at that time and we already had everything paid for so at that time we did not think about canceling.

We stayed until the 9th making it a total of 3 nights 4 days. On the 8th we were part of a timeshare presentation for Club Wyndham. We knew we were not going to buy but sitting in on the presentation allowed us to pay only $129 for our whole weekend for the Resort we stayed in. During this presentation we were in a relatively small room with people from all over the world. The presentation took about 3 hours and we got our gift and left. Fast forward to the following Friday, the 13th :rolleyes:. My throat started to hurt and I had a slight cough. The next day I woke up with a fever of 104 and feeling pretty bad. I got it to go down, but it came back so I went to the hospital when it hit 104.9. I was pretty much out of it and my wife helped me get there. Ultimately I was diagnosed with the flu and did a breathing treatment and went home. They did not think I should be tested for COVID. They gave me tamilflu , no idea if this helped because I still felt like crap, but maybe it would have been worse - not sure. I was pretty much stuck to my bedroom for the next three days and then finally got my appetite back and I binge watched the first season of Gotham.

Everything seemed pretty good at that point , but the breathing issues have yet to go away completely. Then my wife got sick yesterday. A slight fever and a cough. She made a drs appoint for this morning but woke up feeling great and canceled it and went to work (she is working from home right now due to the virus). She kept trying to talk me into going to get tested but I could never get through to the prescreen number and you are not allowed to just show up. She finally got through this morning after a number of tries and brought me the phone and I was prescreened. They asked me the following:

Do I have or had I had a fever recently (yes)
Have I traveled outside the U.S. in the last 14 days: (no)
Do I have difficulty breathing (yes, but not too bad).
Have I been in contact with someone known to have the virus (not to my knowledge).
That was it and she said I do not qualify to test. I told her about the flu and she said to see my primary care dr. I then told her about being in New Orleans and she paused for a moment and had me hold. After about 10 minutes she came back (I had thought she forgot about me). She immediately said I should be tested and I should go now. I did.

It was an interesting experience. There must have been over 50 staff all milling around in their masks and gloves and there was one cop there just hanging out. They guided me in and never checked my ID but they did get my name and birthday to double check me in the system. I rolled down my window and they shoved a swab up my nose very ungentle like, gave me paperwork and sent me home warning that I am now quarantined and I should have my results withing 5 days.

So here I am at home not planning on going anywhere, not that I was anyway.

I guess New Orleans is a hot spot, but I do not remember seeing that on the news. Anyone have an idea? I am sure if I have or had it I am recovered mostly at this point so I am not too worried about getting very sick and the wife and son seem like they are currently fine.

I am just grateful I was able to get a test, once they think you need to be tested they are all gun ho, beforehand they brush you off pretty easily. I will be glad when more testing becomes available because I know many can spread it and be asymptomatic.

I hope everyone stays safe and does the best they can at not spreading this thing.

In other news before I got quarantined I did find TP at BJs the other day and I only took 1 package.. :)

[Miss Vicky]

You shouldn't hate bats. They're important pest control. They eat a lot of insects.

[Stirchley]

The ban if any will be temporary.

Apparently they banned the sale of the meat of exotic creatures like Tigers, peacocks etc after the last SARS outbreak, only to withdraw the ban few months later, by slyly calling the sale of their meat and bones as unique medicines.

It's a huge billion dollar market, that feeds the government and hence has a strong lobbying power over the government.

Unless the entire world comes together and forces China to reform their wet markets, we will see such outbreaks at least once every decade.

The good thing is that there is a sizeable amount of Chinese population that also wants to reform those market. But at the very same time, we know how easily China suppresses any kind of opposition.

Sadly, you speak the truth. I don’t expect China to have learned anything from this virus tragedy & no doubt everything will be as before. I saw one photo of a baby deer for sale sitting in a crate. So frickin sad. :(

[Stirchley]

7thson, thanks for sharing. I hope you & your wife will stay well.

[NedStark09]

All animals has some purpose Bats its to get rid of bugs and cats its to get rid of mice and rats. I know many stories of asians eating cats and bats. Thailand its a known fact cause my brother inlaw is from there. Point is not all things should be eaten by people because some things carry lots of diseases.

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[7thson]

The thing about New Orleans is worrying. Not just on a personal level. I am not trying to start any rumors, just sharing what happened to me. The lady that did my prescreen definitely found it to be a game changer. I did not initially tell her about being in a room with others from around the world, that was after she approved my testing. If it is that important shouldn't they ask initially? If any of you are from that area, what have you heard? Is the city shut down like many other big cities?

[NedStark09]

I imagine allot of China planes will be more monitored and people who come and go on planes when this thing is over. Im not being racist. I hate no person but this plague spreaded more faster because planes werent grounded from the place this all got started.

[Yoda]

God bless, Dionne. Keep us posted, stay safe, hang in there.

[NedStark09]

https://www.movieforums.com/community/attachment.php?attachmentid=61670
Yes you can order people to stay home but some people have to work in the food plants and truck companies and the mail has to go through and people have to see dr and go to the store. Its easier to say to stay home but all at some point not under quarantine have to go out. Lots of people have cancer treatments.

[Mesmerized]

If it gets any worse, the President is likely to declare martial law

[Stirchley]

Yes you can order people to stay home but some people have to work in the food plants and truck companies and the mail has to go through and people have to see dr and go to the store. Its easier to say to stay home but all at some point not under quarantine have to go out. Lots of people have cancer treatments.

My internist in Connecticut is not seeing ANYONE in-office. Only phone conference & then only if adjudged necessary.

[Mesmerized]

Good news. Domino's Pizza still delivers.

[Yoda]

Mentioned in another thread, but I brought in a stray cat. Called a local shelter (one I've dropped strays off at several times before) with no idea if they'd even be open, at capacity, be able to answer phones, or what. Left a message, actually got a call back an hour or two later. Short version is they don't know if they're included among essential businesses and it sounds like they can technically accept animals but things are very in flux and they have no idea what will happen even tomorrow.

Still, I was worried I'd get a way worse response, IE: none, or "we definitely can't take anything." They just told me they couldn't accept surrenders, but it sounded like they could still accept strays, so I'm glad to hear they're not totally overwhelmed yet.

[Stirchley]

If it gets any worse, the President is likely to declare martial law

What would that consist of?

(Just been informed that no rosary prayer is now allowed at church. There’s less than a handful of us, but the archbishop will now not allow it.)

[Stirchley]

Good news. Domino's Pizza still delivers.

This belongs in the Good News thread, it’s so exciting!

Mentioned in another thread, but I brought in a stray cat. Called a local shelter (one I've dropped strays off at several times before) with no idea if they'd even be open, at capacity, be able to answer phones, or what. Left a message, actually got a call back an hour or two later. Short version is they don't know if they're included among essential businesses and it sounds like they can technically accept animals but things are very in flux and they have no idea what will happen even tomorrow.

Still, I was worried I'd get a way worse response, IE: none, or "we definitely can't take anything." They just told me they couldn't accept surrenders, but it sounded like they could still accept strays, so I'm glad to hear they're not totally overwhelmed yet.

Problem is nobody is going to the shelter with a view to adoption. (More pressing concerns on their mind, obviously.) So cats are coming in, but not going out.

What do you think you might do now? Your kitty looks in excellent shape & may even be chipped. I feel sad just thinking about him all alone.

[Mesmerized]

What would that consist of?

(Just been informed that no rosary prayer is now allowed at church. There’s less than a handful of us, but the archbishop will now not allow it.)

Military takes over. I'm not sure what that means though. Check your diocesan website for news. They had a special Rosary said yesterday and I missed it. Im watching more EWTN since I can't go to church.

[Mesmerized]

This belongs in the Good News thread, it’s so exciting!


I didnt know there was a good news thread.

[Yoda]

Yeah, it wouldn't shock me if it was chipped, though if it is it means someone probably got him and within months (unless it's grown and just smallish) mostly just let it roam outside with no collar, even during all this. Not great, so even if that is what happened I feel better with the cat's situation now, regardless.

I think there's a decent chance one of my sisters will take it. If not we'll just do our best until Tuesday, and if neither sister can take it by then I'll bring it in after all. Assuming they don't close by then or get a huge rush, that should still be viable.

Absolute worst-case scenario, we can care for it for awhile. I'd really really hope, if that happens, it eases up to the point where we don't have to work around this dog crate and can let it roam and maybe even trust us, that would make caring for it so much easier, but we'll see.

[Stirchley]

⬆️ It will get used to you with time. Nice food, clean water, a safe & happy atmosphere. Already his life is better than it was this time yesterday.

I could cheerfully strangle people who don’t take care of their pets.

[NedStark09]

martial law in a since means like in china or any dictator country where you can be beatin in the streets. Most people are staying other then needing food and working. Its the spring break dum dums who need a new brain

[NedStark09]

Im relatively certain it takes an act of congress to declare that. Most cases something that dire needs cabinet agree ment and we have 3 branches so no one being can rule.

[Citizen Rules]

Sadly, you speak the truth. I don’t expect China to have learned anything from this virus tragedy & no doubt everything will be as before. I saw one photo of a baby deer for sale sitting in a crate. So frickin sad. :(But China doesn't have to learn anything about live animal markets. The U.S. could ban or even place a punitive tax on Chinese imports until they clean up their act and ban live animal markets.

Meanwhile why are the beaches and hotels still open in Florida? With all the spring breakers going there, they pose a real threat to propagating and spreading CV all over America. I just read today that researchers are thinking 80% of the CV transmissions are from young healthy asymptomatic people. It's a bad situation and Florida's governor is putting people at risk.

[Mesmerized]

Meanwhile why are the beaches and hotels still open in Florida?

Because they're stupid.

Coronavirus comes for spring break: Local officials close Florida beaches after governor refuses to

At the height of the spring break rush, Gov. Ron DeSantis said Tuesday he would not order the beaches closed.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1163741

[Guaporense]

My town is going to go full lockdown next week even without a single confirmed case of coronavirus. "It's a precaution" the mayor sayed; it's the right thing to do now imo. Walking on streets this morning, I felt like Tom Cruise in the beginning of Vanilla Sky.

My dad and I manage a very small foundry, we are concerned about taxes, since things are stopped. Nobody buying (that include us). Let's see what happens. Going to watch a lot of stuff and play a lot of games next week. Stay safe everyone.

I think that in Brazil's case we should adopt the British approach: quarantine the old and allow the young to catch the virus and create herd imunity. It's perhaps the only option we have since we cannot test and trace every case like South Korea did.

Although if we fight hard enough maybe we can do like China (which is 2 days without a new case) and just stamp out the virus with quarantine.

[Mesmerized]

A Turkey Hill in PA is closed for a couple days because one employee tested positive for coronavirus. The store is being disinfected and the other employees are being replaced by employees from a different store.

[CiCi]

All bars, clubs and theatres on lockdown here in the UK... But I still have to go into work (in a club, most likely cleaning) tomorrow

No idea if I'm gonna get paid either due to 0 hour contracts. Most likely not. Sweating it a bit over that

[NedStark09]

Because they're stupid.

Coronavirus comes for spring break: Local officials close Florida beaches after governor refuses to

At the height of the spring break rush, Gov. Ron DeSantis said Tuesday he would not order the beaches closed.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1163741
The Gov is letting spring breakers come but wont let Vince McMahon have wrestlemania in the Tampa Bay Arena.

[Nausicaä]

Slightly less stressed today, went to supermarket and was very happy to find boxes of tissues! So got three boxes, also they had eggs today and I love my eggs so bought two boxes so have 12 eggs in the fridge and found some beef mince, and a pack of my favourite meatballs.

So a good trip to the supermarket today, and that was about 11.30 in the morning and the shelves are usually stripped by the people who go 6.30 in the morning when it opens... So quite successful.

Hope everyone else is doing okay in the supermarkets.

https://media.giphy.com/media/12fmPI7m38W4eY/giphy.gif

[Stirchley]

But China doesn't have to learn anything about live animal markets. The U.S. could ban or even place a punitive tax on Chinese imports until they clean up their act and ban live animal markets.


America didn’t particularly care before or even know about China’s live animal markets. Possibly, they might care now.

I think that in Brazil's case we should adopt the British approach: quarantine the old and allow the young to catch the virus and create herd imunity.

This is news to me. :rolleyes:

Slightly less stressed today, went to supermarket and was very happy to find boxes of tissues! So got three boxes, also they had eggs today and I love my eggs so bought two boxes so have 12 eggs in the fridge and found some beef mince, and a pack of my favourite meatballs.

So a good trip to the supermarket today, and that was about 11.30 in the morning and the shelves are usually stripped by the people who go 6.30 in the morning when it opens... So quite successful.]

Definitely belongs in our Good News thread. Glad it worked out for you.

Me, I am done shopping & spending money on food items. Probably bought too much that will expire before I get to it. :(

[NedStark09]

Our Area is still out of Flour and Tomato Sauce. Or In Our case there is a line at stores before they open and people grab instead let items be stocked. Never seen the level of sheer greed. 3 People would not help a short old women get 2 boxes of her favorite cereal and milk and cottage cheese. So I got them for her

[NedStark09]

I come off as mean at time and all but its an act I was raised to help old people and dont abuse children

[Stirchley]

This is sad. I have nothing to set an alarm for.

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[Captain Steel]

This is sad. I have nothing to set an alarm for.


That's sad? Sounds blissful to me! :)
Nothing I like better than "sleeping in."

[Austruck]

It's important that we all have accurate info right now.
Based on what I heard & read this morning: the FILING deadline date for taxes has been extended to July 15th.

Let me know if I'm missing something...
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/20/politics/steven-mnuchin-tax-day-july-15/index.html

Yes, I saw that. They originally said only the payment date but have since updated it to include the filing date too.

Nobody could be happier than I am right now to have needed to update my information! Yay!

[Citizen Rules]

I come off as mean at time and all but its an act I was raised to help old people and dont abuse childrenI never thought of you as mean. You seem like a nice person to me.

[NedStark09]

Alot of my Political issues are My Dad was A Die Hard Republican except for local people he knew. I however could not deny Clinton did lots of things in office and cost of living was better. Then there was Bush Jr which I never voted for but didnt hate either. Im currently an Indpendant Voter who thinks R or D both really need get **** together no matter who is president next.

[NedStark09]

This Corona thing will decide our future Trump reelection or his loss.

[Citizen Rules]

This Corona thing will decide our future Trump reelection or his loss.You know what, those our wise words and I've been thinking the same thing.

[cricket]

Had a routine physical scheduled for Monday. I called Wednesday to cancel but then of course they called me Thursday to cancel:rolleyes: I ended up going today anyway to pick up my wife's monthly script and I didn't know what to expect. The huge parking lot is usually jammed but it was only a quarter full. Upon entering the building I was asked 3 questions and told I needed to have my temperature taken. I opened my mouth wide and the lady laughed and just ran it across my forehead. Afterward I went to the dog park and it was closed so I went to the regular park. Overall not a big difference for me since I'm still working. Just washing my hands more and avoiding public door handles.

[Captain Steel]

This Corona thing will decide our future Trump reelection or his loss.

If that's the case than I (also Independent) would have to hope for Trump to win... because it would mean we "flattened the curve" and were successful in coming through this crisis with a minimal loss of life (which, I realize, itself is a relative term) and a somewhat restored economy.

[NedStark09]

Im Not AN I when it comes to Trump or Hillary. At the Time I Just Couldn't Vote for either.

[John McClane]

I don’t remember where I read it but I saw an interesting study about a possible correlation with the widespread worldwide vaping amongst the young (i.e. weakened lungs and became carriers for an opportunistic virus).

I’ll dig through my history and find it.

[Captain Steel]

Im Not AN I when it comes to Trump or Hillary. At the Time I Just Couldn't Vote for either.

I'm a "registered" I.

A funny story - since I never really followed politics or "rules" behind voing...
I went down to the polls to vote in a primary (it was Obama vs. Hillary - I went to vote for Obama).
When I got there they looked up my name and said, "You can't vote."
I asked, "What do you mean I can't vote? You found my name! I'm in the right place, aren't I?"
They said,"Yes, but you're registered as an Independent - you can't vote in a Democrat primary! Only registered Democrats can vote in a Democrat primary."

I left kind of mad, having thought that being an Independent meant I could vote for anybody at any time! :)

[gbgoodies]

The thing about New Orleans is worrying. Not just on a personal level. I am not trying to start any rumors, just sharing what happened to me. The lady that did my prescreen definitely found it to be a game changer. I did not initially tell her about being in a room with others from around the world, that was after she approved my testing. If it is that important shouldn't they ask initially? If any of you are from that area, what have you heard? Is the city shut down like many other big cities?


I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but here are a couple of articles that I found about New Orleans:

Latest coronavirus headlines in Louisiana: 537 COVID-19 cases in state; 326 in New Orleans (https://www.wdsu.com/article/latest-coronavirus-headlines-in-louisiana-479-covid-19-cases-in-state-299-in-new-orleans/31811201)

New Orleans Mayor: ‘Stay Home’ order after 14 deaths, 537 cases of COVID-19 in state (https://www.fox8live.com/2020/03/20/deaths-cases-covid-reported-louisiana/)

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[gbgoodies]

Slightly less stressed today, went to supermarket and was very happy to find boxes of tissues! So got three boxes, also they had eggs today and I love my eggs so bought two boxes so have 12 eggs in the fridge and found some beef mince, and a pack of my favourite meatballs.

So a good trip to the supermarket today, and that was about 11.30 in the morning and the shelves are usually stripped by the people who go 6.30 in the morning when it opens... So quite successful.

Hope everyone else is doing okay in the supermarkets.



It just seems to be a matter of luck and timing.

Hubby and I went to the supermarket around 3PM today, and the first aisles we checked were for toilet paper and antibacterial wipes. We knew they wouldn't have any, but we had to check anyway, just in case. As we expected, both aisles were completely empty.

So we just did our normal shopping and went to the checkout lines to pay and leave.

As we passed the toilet paper aisle on the way to the checkout, they were just starting to put out some toilet paper. It was only the store brand, but it was the "premium", so it was a little better quality, and it was 12-rolls per pack for $7.19, limit 2 per person.

We took 2 each, and went to customer service to ask if they would accept any of their app coupons for name brands for the store brand, because the chances of us getting any of the name brands before the coupons expire was slim to none.

After a bit of a discussion, they accepted a coupon for a name brand, (I think it was either Cottonelle or Charmin), for $5 off 2 packs off the store brand, so we saved $10 on 4 packs. (We each had the coupons in our app.)

When we got home, our neighbor, (who we don't like), saw us bringing in the toilet paper, and tried to buy it from us. (We don't know how long this will go on, so we didn't sell any.)

But this is a good lesson for everyone. Don't be embarrassed to ask if the stores will accept coupons for similar items that they can't get. You might have to "discuss" it a little bit, but it could save you some money if they allow it.

[NedStark09]

I wonder why some places are more prone to infections then others. And Also Russia and Africa and Green Land have the least cases world wide wise. Oh people dying from the Virus I half way expect they had some other illness with a depleted immune system.

[Chypmunk]

The wife briefly popped out and had absolutely no problem getting either r-swipe or bacterial wipes yesterday (1 pack of each), in fact I don't think there was a single thing on her list she didn't find though some of the items were 'lesser' brands. Where we are the attitude of people has thankfully generally been civilised thus far, long may it continue.

Also loving that supermarkets have created times for when only the elderly or at risk can shop over here. Nice to see someone thinking and caring about them.

[WrinkledMind]

I wonder why some places are more prone to infections then others. And Also Russia and Africa and Green Land have the least cases world wide wise. Oh people dying from the Virus I half way expect they had some other illness with a depleted immune system.

Not all countries will be honest in reporting numbers. Especially countries which have authoritarian governments.

Places with harsh environments and low population density will see a small number of infections.

[JoaoRodrigues]

Yet earlier this month you were telling us that Portugal doesn’t give a ****. Your neighbor is Spain, which is hard-hit, so I never understood what you were saying about Portugal.

And I have to go to work anyway. So I keep what I said.

[Chypmunk]

Reported figures also depend heavily on the amount of testing going on which in turn depends on the capabilities to do that testing.

[NedStark09]

Seems like Cold is this Virus weakness and Africa is always hot. So Russia and Africa just not nature right for it. I think USA best hope is May is hot or April has a bad arctic blast.

[The Rodent]

https://i.imgur.com/fFNUeAf.jpg

[ashdoc]

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Corona fry for you from India