Originally Posted by thedeal526
Borg vs Jedi (Force). That all depends on the type of battle. In a space battle, I think the Borg has far superior technology and would defeat the Jedi. But, in a ground battle, I give an overwhelming edge to the Jedi. Unless the Borg have such superior numbers over the Jedi, I can't see them winning that type of contast.
I think a better contast would be Worf vs Vader. However, this would not be a contest if Vader could use a lightsabre, so for this contest I propose Worf vs Vader and only Klingon weapons can be used. Who wins? I say if its the Vader in his prime, than Vader wins hands down. If its the Vader that was defeated by Luke Skywalker (A half trained Jedi), than I give a slight edge to Lt. Commander Worf.
Actually, defeating Vader was the final step in Luke's training as a jedi, so he was more than half trained. Also, the conflict between Vader and Luke was the culmination of the entire saga, and was using the age old Father/Son story mechanics found in stuff like The Odyssey. Jedi skills were part of the story, but meant little as far as the man vs man/self conflict that was coming to an end. The victory over Vader by Luke had absolutely nothing to do with who had the greater jedi skills, and was a battle of wills and a passing of the torch. Just
where Luke would end up carrying the torch was the point of the saga, not who could lift more objects or fight with a sword. Star Wars is an old mythological story wrapped in an interesting fantasy shell, but the classic conflict was clearly the focus.
But, since this isn't a serious discussion about the metaphor and allegory behind Star Wars and Star Trek, I will attempt to answer some of these questions you folks have posed...
First off, Worf vs Vader? Huh? Can't vader just choke that overgrown gorilla from 100 yards away? Hasn't this been covered already in another thread? Vader would just yank all of Worf's limbs off before Worf could even get close, or perhaps vader could just stop his heart or something. Also, Worf wears a goofy uniform, and therefore loses by default. Worf should be selling girl scout cookies in that pajama suit, not fighting a dark lord of the sith.
Another thing. Star Wars and Star Trek are both fantasy pieces. Star Trek rooted in actual science? That is preposterous. Warp Drive? Triolic Waves? Klingons? Romulans? Dylithium Crystals? I read an interesting paper on the feasibilty of two of the star trek technologies (warp drive and transporters) and the scientists involved basically said they had little or no probability of working the way they do in Star Trek.
Warp drive supposedly creates a controlled black hole with a matter/antimatter collision in front of the ship, which is somehow held out at a certain distance by some form of energy, sort of like a carrot in front of a horse, and the ship is pulled at fantastic rates towards the black hole, which is...somehow propelled along....without propulsion. So, even in fastasy it sounds goofy, and when you think about what would really happen, the idea becomes laughable. A mattter/anti matter collison would illicit a catastrophic celestial event of enormous magnitude, disrupting magnetic and gravitational waves/particles for light years around the event. Solar systems would collapse, planetary collisions would occur as all the nearby bodies were yanked off their rotational axis, and any little ship that was nearby would basically cease to exist, because anything that finds itself inside the event horizon of a black hole basically ceases to exist. Any form of energy that we attempted to control the bolack hole with would be absorbed instantaniously.
As for transporters..Nope, not gonna happen. Although the scientists asked did seem hopeful about the decimation and assimilation of matter into a controlled matter stream, the moving and reformation of the matter sequence in the correct order is a problem they can't even begin to approach. How does one stop a matter stream in motion and have it decode exactly in sequence at another point in space time, even for a solid, non-organic object, is a problem of immense complexity. Forget about something as complex as the human body, a chaotic (and unique for every person) blend of many different chemicals put together in an ever so fragile manner. Not to mention if ANY sort of contaminant got into the mix (ala The Fly)....
So yeah..Star Trek is most certainly fantasy, as well.