The secret behind the movie The Prestige

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Christopher Nolan have integrated an under cover circumstance. Alfred Borden (Christian Bale) is not the only character with an identical twin. There is a twin of Robert Angier (Hugh Jackman) as well. Maybe even Cutter (Michael Caine) was recruiting them all as twins but I dont know about that detail.

The explanation is that one of the Angier brothers got shot by mistake. The other brother was testing the machine and because the victim was surrounded in smoke he was mistaken for a clone, as if the maschine would function. The smoke was established by the rain of flashes generated by the machine. The shield preventing the flashes not entering the ground straight down is not complete, in one of these gaps where the Angier brother standing.

So when an Angierbrother is drowned it is a revenge for the shot in the chest which he survived, some hearts are located in the right side of the body.

It is the sacrifice which Borden does by cutting off two fingers that keeps the Angiestwins from accepting the obvious thruth. Maybe you are considering the dead bodies in the end. Actually there is only one presented clearly and that one could be the actor Angier used or even a dummy.

The latest Nolan movie Inception might be the same, its all in a dream by Mal. She knows the totom which Cobb uses and so forth.


Links imdb.com/title/tt0482571 Inception imdb.com/title/tt1375666

Whatever, enjoy and greetings from Sweden!



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I don't remember it well enough to follow the twin idea



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I'm not buying that Angier would mistake his own twin for a clone just because he's surrounded by smoke. Less of a stretch to say Root is Angier's twin and they were separated at birth, but that doesn't dovetail with the "no clone" theory unless Root and Tesla were in some sort of conspiracy to hoax Angier, which is an interesting theory but I'm still not buying it. I'm not going to worry about the "evidence" that only one clone is in focus at the end of the movie, (So who do the rest of the bodies belong to? Just dozens of people Angier has been murdering off camera throughout the movie and set up in jars to trick Borden into thinking he was cloning himself? And he had figured out Borden's twin trick so he was able to predict Borden coming to kill him, but still acted surprised and didn't try to stop him because...?) Maybe when I re-watch it for the 7th or 8th time.



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...the double/clone thing is about thematic symmetry. It's interesting because it's an attempt to duplicate artificially, or unnaturally, what Borden has done naturally. Any ways in which it seems to mirror or hint at more are really just ways in which it's reflecting that.



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Thank you for reading and answering. I was tired and in a hurry writing the idea so I am sorry if there is unnecessary wrong spelling or something.
I see you are americans, thats new so it is an honor. Whats up? I shall watch the latest The Big Bang Theory e12 tonight.

Answering som of Linespalsys questions:

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Root can not be an Angier twin because of his ears, they are different. The "dead bodies" in the tanks could be dummies, Angier staged a system which is meant to appear as an arrangement with a functional clone machine. Because of Bordens sacrifise, Angies is portrayed as having difficulty with a major sacrifice.



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Some Americans here, but many from other places as well, such as England, Australia, Croatia, and even Sweden.

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I think we are quite clearly shown (in the hat scene) that the cloning machine actually works.
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Hey, first, a quick note: please start using spoiler tags to hide any plot details, so people don't have The Prestige spoiled for them. I've gone back and added them to each of your posts.

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Root can not be an Angier twin because of his ears, they are different. The "dead bodies" in the tanks could be dummies, Angier staged a system which is meant to appear as an arrangement with a functional clone machine. Because of Bordens sacrifise, Angies is portrayed as having difficulty with a major sacrifice.
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I'm not sure I understand. Why would Angier fake a working clone machine? To fool whom, since he kept it a secret? How do you explain the sudden appearance of another version of him? How many "twin" brothers is he supposed to have? 20? I don't see what you're suggesting.



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And that it can make some rather nice hats.

I need to watch this again. It's of my favorites, that I have yet to own (hint hint, birthday next month).

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I never had a thought that the clones weren't clones. Of course, this being a Nolan film, he loves to keep people guessing even after the credits roll.
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Thank you for reading and answering. I was tired and in a hurry writing the idea so I am sorry if there is unnecessary wrong spelling or something.
I see you are americans, thats new so it is an honor. Whats up? I shall watch the latest The Big Bang Theory e12 tonight.
welcome back. where are you from, btw? (just curious).

Answering som of Linespalsys questions:

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Root can not be an Angier twin because of his ears, they are different. The "dead bodies" in the tanks could be dummies, Angier staged a system which is meant to appear as an arrangement with a functional clone machine. Because of Bordens sacrifise, Angies is portrayed as having difficulty with a major sacrifice.
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I don't actually think Root is Angier's twin (bad teeth, I think bad posture as well, though at another level they're obviously both far more identical than any twins or even clones since they're both Hugh Jackman), I was merely throwing out an alternative hypothesis which I still think is more plausible than what you're saying, especially in a world where twins wear makeup practically 24/7 to disguise themselves. My point is that your theory about the movie raises far more questions than it answers.

Here are some:

Did Angier know about his twin?
If so why would he immediately lose all his skepticism about Tesla's machine and mistake his twin for a clone? Why would he have even used Root in the first place if he and his twin could just replicate Borden's act (this seems to be a huge problem with your theory)?
If not, did Tesla know about the twin? Were they in a conspiracy to trick Angier into thinking Tesla's machine worked? Were they in it for Angier's money? Didn't they worry about what would happen if Angier tried to use the machine more than once? Was Angier actually triplets?

I now see that one part of what you are saying is more interesting than I initially thought. That the man in the box is actually Angier, who was being set up by his twin as revenge for accidentally shooting him. Then the twin stepped in and took his place, getting revenge on Borden as well (who presumably was still set up from the beginning to take the fall for murdering Angier). But he didn't count on Borden having a twin as well, who came to kill him. This is an interesting theory, but I'm still not buying it because of the questions it raises above. Particularly, if Angier had a twin, why did he need Root in the first place? Why did he have so much trouble figuring out Borden's secret? Why did he need all the bodies in jars? The bodies only appear at the end, so if they were only props, who were they there to convince? Borden's twin? If so, why wasn't he prepared to protect himself? If he knew about Borden's twin, why [all the other questions I asked in this post]?



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Thank you again, it is great fun to test the theory.
Answering Master Yoda:
I think the hat scene could have been manipulated by Teslas crew.
Im sorry about not adding spoiler alerts and thank you for adding them.
I had it in mind today but forgot.
To fool Borden so Angier must have suspected an espionage.
I am saying that Angier had a twin, so thats how he did the second edition of his Transported Man-trick.
There is only two Angier twins.
Congratulations Mr Spudracer in advance.
If anyone would create this cover up, it is Nolan.
Mr Linespalsy, I am from Sweden, a country in northern Europe.
Our Majesty the King, hands over the nobel prizes.
I am now using a free online dictionary writing this in swenglish.
Yes, the Angier twins knows about each other thats why he changed his name and birthplace. He tells his girlfriend it is because he do not want to embarrass his family with his theatrical enderverses(= unsure about the spelling)
He is presumably to obsessed about figuring out what Borden is up to so he postpone his quality edition until he could enjoy it fully.
The double could use his voice and those who knows the business or have a sharp gaze could better enjoy the quality edition.
Tesla fooled Angier to get money. No Angier brother tried to fool the other one that the machine was working, it was an accident.
The challenge the creator of the movie Mr Nolan had was this one of your questions, "Why did he have so much trouble figuring out
Bordens secret". The way Mr Nolan has solved this is perhaps not excellent. Angier is portraited as having difficulty accepting a major sacrifice. Which Borden must do by cutting of two fingers.
Obviously Mr Nolan considered this enough or maby am I just crazy. I wonder what the truth is. The theory is supported by the circumstance that in the movie there is this repeated characterisation of Angier being like that, having difficulty with sacrifices.
The bodies in the jars is a part of an arrangement to fool Borden.
Maybe that is an additional reason why Angier established his first double trick, The New Transsported Man.
To make Borden not realize that there is an Angier twin, so maybe that is Mr Nolans major reason to let Angier use Root.
It would mean that Mr Nolans cover up is more sofisticated than I presented it.
I have not tried to answer if Angier before he met "the other Borden twin" who killed him finally understood that Borden had a id. twin.
I have believed this since the summer of 08. That is 2.5 years. The states was the first to take this this seriously. Thank you!



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Interesting looking thread, and I don't mean to be a Jerk, but I would hope that the word "secret" in the thread title would keep away people who haven't watched it.
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Christopher Nolan have integrated an under cover circumstance. Alfred Borden (Christian Bale) is not the only character with an identical twin. There is a twin of Robert Angier (Hugh Jackman) as well. Maybe even Cutter (Michael Caine) was recruiting them all as twins but I dont know about that detail.

The explanation is that one of the Angier brothers got shot by mistake. The other brother was testing the machine and because the victim was surrounded in smoke he was mistaken for a clone, as if the maschine would function. The smoke was established by the rain of flashes generated by the machine. The shield preventing the flashes not entering the ground straight down is not complete, in one of these gaps where the Angier brother standing.

So when an Angierbrother is drowned it is a revenge for the shot in the chest which he survived, some hearts are located in the right side of the body.

It is the sacrifice which Borden does by cutting off two fingers that keeps the Angiestwins from accepting the obvious thruth. Maybe you are considering the dead bodies in the end. Actually there is only one presented clearly and that one could be the actor Angier used or even a dummy.

The latest Nolan movie Inception might be the same, its all in a dream by Mal. She knows the totom which Cobb uses and so forth.


Links imdb.com/title/tt0482571 Inception imdb.com/title/tt1375666

Whatever, enjoy and greetings from Sweden!
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For the record. "The latest Nolan movie Inception might be the same, its all in a dream by Mal. She knows the totom which Cobb uses and so forth." It must be Cobbs dream but he do not know that he is the dreamer, that is why he can not control it. The reason why Mal do not wake Cobb is because she wants a leap of faith, that is why her subconscious through Saito asks for it. I mean all US governments is just Mals subconscious so that is how Saito masters his authority in the deal with Cobb. It is because Cobb is not changing anything in the dream, Mals subconscious, the population, do not sense his as it is called in the movie foreign nature. So the reason why Mal enter and kill the young Fischer is because she wants to meet Coob in their old world.



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I have another crazy idea. Remember the beginning of Inception. Saito remember Cobb as if he had have a dream with him in, his words. In the second scene or something like that a clock goes backwords. And a Saab 9000 is covered in flames twice. The same event is showed again. So what if that is it, the movie is the dream Saito had. I know that is crazy I am sorry. Have a good weekend!




WARNING: "The Prestige" spoilers below
Christopher Nolan have integrated an under cover circumstance. Alfred Borden (Christian Bale) is not the only character with an identical twin. There is a twin of Robert Angier (Hugh Jackman) as well. Maybe even Cutter (Michael Caine) was recruiting them all as twins but I dont know about that detail.

The explanation is that one of the Angier brothers got shot by mistake. The other brother was testing the machine and because the victim was surrounded in smoke he was mistaken for a clone, as if the maschine would function. The smoke was established by the rain of flashes generated by the machine. The shield preventing the flashes not entering the ground straight down is not complete, in one of these gaps where the Angier brother standing.

So when an Angierbrother is drowned it is a revenge for the shot in the chest which he survived, some hearts are located in the right side of the body.

It is the sacrifice which Borden does by cutting off two fingers that keeps the Angiestwins from accepting the obvious thruth. Maybe you are considering the dead bodies in the end. Actually there is only one presented clearly and that one could be the actor Angier used or even a dummy.

The latest Nolan movie Inception might be the same, its all in a dream by Mal. She knows the totom which Cobb uses and so forth.


Links imdb.com/title/tt0482571 Inception imdb.com/title/tt1375666

Whatever, enjoy and greetings from Sweden!

Hmm,


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Yeah, I don't buy your theory, as interesting as they are. This is because of what others have already says. Narravtively speaking, it wouldn't make sense that Angier would confuse his own brother for a clone or whatever. If that was the intention of the film, (and I am 10000000% it wasn't) then it makes it a pretty messy film.



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Crap, I mis-clicked Prestige's post - that rep should be POSITIVE. Sorry man. I was just about to send ya a message saying that , with each passing film, I eat my words on Nolan a little bit more. The guy is on fire!

Pos REP Prestige to cover my mistake, please.



Crap, I mis-clicked Prestige's post - that rep should be POSITIVE. Sorry man. I was just about to send ya a message saying that , with each passing film, I eat my words on Nolan a little bit more. The guy is on fire!

Pos REP Prestige to cover my mistake, please.
Not to worry man, I've made the same mistake in past. Glad that you too are becoming a Nolanite. I always had faith in this forum. It took a damn while but there is a light at the end of the tunnel



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I don't really get what you guys are trying to say here - I've read the book, and although it is excellent apart from a very unsatisfactory ending - as if the author ran out of time to get his manuscript submitted - it does explain what Nolan is trying to portray, albeit in a different way. This is one of the few movies that is actually far better than the book (still a very good book) - due undoubtedly to Nolan's brilliance, but the underlying premise is the same - reading the book helps understand Nolan's take on a masterpiece. Nolan's work in film is destined to be remembered - Oscars or no Oscars!