The MoFos Top 100 of the 90s Countdown - Redux

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Editing aside, JFK hasn't held up for me over the years. So top 10, nah, 59 is fine.

But the editing is everything. Stone has always been a bit of a dopey filmmaker, but the way in which JFK tosses us around between all of its cartoonishly grotesque characters, and tangles us up in all of its conspiratorial threads, draws us into a uniquely American paranoia like no movie I've ever seen. Sure the movie is absurd and not to be trusted and is full of all sorts of lies and half truths, but that's exactly the joy and terror and fun of the whole thing. And the editing, the DNA of any film worth its salt, is the magic potion that makes it all somehow work and come together into the magnificent tinfoil mosaic that it is.


Now if we were to start talking about all the overlooked gems and forgotten classics and obscure art films that could be found in the 90s, maybe a case could be made for JFK not being in the top ten. But when it comes to the kind of movies that will fill this list from here on in, ones that have broken into the public consciousness and stayed there, rightfully or wrongfully, I struggle to think of many that I'd consider better, more unique, more audacious, more fun. Unforgiven, Pulp Fiction, Being John Malkovich, Schindler's List, Fargo....then I start to struggle.



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This weekend revealed yet another massive oversight on my ballot: I forgot to include A Perfect World. This wasn't my usual "I was taking films on and off my list and somehow left it off." I just straight up forgot about it. Sure, I haven't seen it in a long time, but I recall being pretty blown away by it at the time. Anyway, I think I would have had it somewhere in the 12-18 range if I had remembered to include it.

Perfect Blue was one of my last cuts, and I ended up going with a different anime film, which I am sure is still to come. Regardless, I like Perfect Blue a whole lot, and I own a copy on DVD.

I like Toy Story 2 a whole lot, but prefer the original by just a smidge.

JFK is a good film, but didn't make my list.

As I was going through Holden's 90s list, I noticed I didn't have Carlito's Way checked off, even though I had seen it. As I mentioned in the film tab, I just didn't remember much about it at all. I ended up watching it again on the run up to the countdown, and I thought it was excellent. Near the top of DePalma's catalog. Just missed my ballot.
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It's been a while since I've seen Toy Story 2. Nostalgia doesn't carry it like the first one does, though it does some things I do appreciate. I could probably watch it again, but I'm somewhat doubtful it would make a spot on my list.
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I don’t have quite as much love for Toy Story 2 as I do 1 and 3. It always felt a little more slight than them. I know it was originally supposed to be direct-to-video until kind of late into production and maybe I just can’t get that fact out of my head when thinking about it. It’s still a fun adventure though.

JFK is such a bizarre ****ing case study. For once in his career Oliver Stone’s weird conspiracy theories and obsessions worked out in his favor as JFK comes together to be a very entertaining watch, thanks to a sea of stars and character actors making you believe what they’re proposing is actually possible.



Stats: Pit Stop #4





Sorry I missed the pit stop yesterday, but now that we've hit the fourth one (60), we can all ask the attendant to pump up the volume and dance to "My Sharona" while we check out these stats:

Decade Breakdown
  • 1990 = 4
  • 1991 = 3
  • 1992 = 4
  • 1993 = 9
  • 1994 = 4
  • 1995 = 5
  • 1996 = 1
  • 1997 = 6
  • 1998 = 1
  • 1999 = 3

Some fight from 1997 with three entries in this last batch (not including today's), but 1993 kept on rolling with three entries as well. Other entries scattered, but it's interesting that 1996 and 1998 seem to be stuck in first gear.

Repeating Directors
  • Krzystof Kieslowski = 3
  • Hayao Miyazaki = 2
  • Kathryn Bigelow = 2

Kieslowski added his third entry to the list, while Miyazaki joined the group. It's only a matter of time before he skips over Kieslowski, though.

We also added three (3) more foreign films for a total of eleven (11), plus two (2) additional animated ones for a total of four (4), not counting today's.
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I'm a fan of Toy Story 2. It's a great sequel that knows how to introduce new characters and build up on what came before. To be honest, I struggle with which one of the first three I would put on top (though I usually tend to lean towards the original). Still, I don't think I voted for it. Looking at my ballot and I'm actually surprised that I didn't even vote for my favorite animated film, but anyway, if I had voted for a Toy Story, I would've gone for the first one.

JFK is great also. Like crumbs said, Stone builds up on this paranoia and throws everything but the kitchen sink at us hoping that we can learn not to fully trust government, agencies, etc. It has a great cast, great direction, and editing. Still, it's been a while since I've revisited so I held up on it. Glad it showed, though.



SEEN: 26/42
MY BALLOT: 4/25

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Toy Story 2 is my #15. One of the greatest sequels - Pixar or otherwise - and it features one of the most emotionally devastating moments ever in the Jesse scene.

JFK did not make my ballot, but there's no denying it's artistry and importance despite its inaccuracies. Do you want to blow an entire afternoon? If so, check out The JFK 100: One Hundred Errors of Fact and Judgment in Oliver Stone's JFK.



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I can't stand conspiracy theories and I can't stand Oliver Stone. OK sure Platoon is great and I remember watching and liking JFK for the performances. It it had been about a fictional presidency I'd be singing it's praises. But after rewatching Stone's Nixon recently I'm not sure I can watch his fake history ideas.



Hurrah, the third winner from my ballot. Finally making some progress here



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JFK was my #20. Finally rewatched it when I went through a bunch of Stone’s filmography early last year. I’m not a big fan of his but this was absolutely fantastic. Great procedural film. Up there with the President’s Men and Zodiacs of the world. No, I really don’t care about historical accuracy much. I guess maybe there would be instances I do, but I think intent matters a lot. This sure never feels like Stone giving a history lesson to me. Others disagree, and that’s fine. Anyway, fantastic script and performances in this. The only Stone flick I consider a favorite, that’s why I had it on my list.

Toy Story 2 is a ton of fun but the original is…original, and the one I had on my list. Shhh don’t tell.
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Speaking of Oliver Stone, if JFK already made it, does that mean Natural Born Killers doesn't have a shot? I haven't seen the film in more than 20 years and I didn't vote for it, so it's just a curiosity cause I know a lot of people love that one and I thought it had a shot of making it at the backend.



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Speaking of Oliver Stone, if JFK already made it, does that mean Natural Born Killers doesn't have a shot? I haven't seen the film in more than 20 years and I didn't vote for it, so it's just a curiosity cause I know a lot of people love that one and I thought it had a shot of making it at the backend.
Natural Born Killers in the top 50 I bet.



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Toy Story 2: Wonderful story, more touching than the first. Just not on my list.

JFK: Had its moments. Especially the acting. The scene between Donald Sutherland and Kevin Costner: an exchange that is excellently shot and scripted and superbly delivered by two accomplished actors. Then Costner in his court-room deliveries. I always remember him repeating: "Back, and to the left... back, and to the left... back, and to the left." And yet ... when the embedded messaging focused on an abstract "military-industrial complex," instead of specific organizations or people, I began to realize they came to this with a message already in mind and weren't too bothered about how specific or believable they really wanted to make it. Like the performances; just wish it wasn't wrapped in so much obfuscation.

Seen: 28/42
Ballot: 2/25

Predictions of how my picks will place:

Good Chance: 0/12
Fair Chance: 2/10
-- Sleepless in Seattle: #91 / My #3
-- Office Space: #95 / My #23
No Chance: 0/3

After having a look at the last 90s countdown, I'm beginning to think I was too optimistic about my picks. Holding my breath ....
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True story: ever since 1993, anytime I have thrown away dead batteries I have palmed them, casually walked to the trashcan, and muttered, "Adiós, Counselor" to myself.

AA batteries are the best, but AAAs will do.

This moment and the shot from inside the trash basket have remained in the forefront of my brain since I was Carlito in the theater.
And like you, I also say "Adiós, Counselor" in my head every time I drop things casually int he wastebasket. For 22 years.

Edit - Oh my god, I just realized it's been THIRTY-two years!



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I didn't love JFK when I saw it, I think I found it meandering and a little self-indulgent (as is Stone's way).
But I also must admit that I've never re-watched it because down here in New Orleans the loud, flamboyant, self-aggrandizing, grifty Jim Garrison is considered by many as pretty much an outright villain. And to watch Kevin Costner playing him as this almost demure, pure, White Night character is a bit nauseating and tough to stick with.



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Speaking of Oliver Stone, if JFK already made it, does that mean Natural Born Killers doesn't have a shot? I haven't seen the film in more than 20 years and I didn't vote for it, so it's just a curiosity cause I know a lot of people love that one and I thought it had a shot of making it at the backend.
Hopefully, but Citizen is probably right unfortunately.



Decade Breakdown
  • 1996 = 1
  • 1998 = 1
Other entries scattered, but it's interesting that 1996 and 1998 seem to be stuck in first gear.
I'm not terribly surprised.



1996 is, I think, a very weak year. The English Patient, the Oscar Best Picture winner, has no chance. The top blockbuster of the year, Independence Day, would have shown by now if it were coming. Comedies like The Nutty Professor and The Birdcage couldn't even place on the MoFo Comedy list, I don't see them landing in the top half of this one. Happy Gilmore did make the Comedy list as Sandler's only entry, but I don't see it placing higher than sixty, here. I expect if something like Jerry Maguire or The Rock were gonna show, they would have done so by now.

So far, Jim Jarmusch's Dead Man is the only 1996 flick to place. The only two absolutes I see remaining from that decade are Fargo and Scream, with Trainspotting pretty likely as well. If one other title sneaks in, OK, but I would not be shocked to see 1996 top out at just four or five, when all is said and done. It sure ain't gonna get anywhere close to double digits. '96 only had five the first time around, and two of those - Breaking the Waves and Sling Blade - seem less and less likely the deeper we get in the countdown. There are some other, terrific, smaller arthouse type movies from that year, including Big Night and That Thing You Do!, that surely got some votes, but I don't think they will make it, at this point. I have another beloved Indie on my own ballot that I am hoping beyond hope makes it, though I figure it would have been bottom twenty-five or so if it snuck on.




1998, on the other hand, was a stacked year and will do much better by the final reveal, but most of them will be in the top half of the list. The Big Lebowski, Saving Private Ryan, The Thin Red Line, The Truman Show, and Rushmore are all sure or nearly-sure bets to be in the mix with The Celebration, which is the only 1998 movie named so far, with Lebowski very likely Top Three material.

Last time 1998 finished with eleven entries: The Big Lebowski, Saving Private Ryan, The Thin Red Line, American History X, The Truman Show, Fear & Loathing in Las Vegas, Happiness, Rushmore, Dark City, Fu*king Åmål, and Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels. They will not all reappear. I think the Guy Ritchie flick and American History X have both fallen out of favor a bit, enough to miss the collective this time. While Terry Gilliam's 1980s classics endure, because his career has trailed off since the 1990s it seems to have weakened his overall popularity, and while 12 Monkeys should stay the course I don't know if there is enough Depp fandom to keep Fear & Loathing in?

Speaking of 12 Monkeys, we're getting pretty high in the countdown for a lot more Sci-Fi to be represented. T2 and The Matrix must be there and very high up, and I suspect both Bruce Willis' starers 12 Monkeys and The Fifth Element may make it (no way for 1998's Armageddon, which didn't even make the Sci-Fi list), and Galaxy Quest has been surging of late in these MoFo exercises and has pretty much gotta be there. But does all of that leave room for Dark City? Though surely it got more votes than The Crow, yes?

Show Me Love/Fu*king Åmål seems like it would have appeared already if it were coming back, and I kinda feel the same way about Happiness at this point. Will those be in or near the top half of the list? Shakespeare in Love and Life is Beautiful, both of which were award season darlings at the time, have no real shot here. There may be a surprise or two left, but I'd put the 1998 over/under at eight. Definitely more than whatever 1996 winds up with, and The Duderino may take the top spot.
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I'm not terribly surprised.

1996 is, I think, a very weak year. The English Patient,the Oscar Best Picture winner has no chance. The top blockbuster of the year, Independence Day, would have shown by now if it were coming. Comedies like The Nutty Professor and The Birdcage couldn't even place on the MoFo Comedy list, I don't see them landing in the top half of this one. Happy Gilmore did make the Comedy list as Sandler's only entry, but I don't see it placing higher than sixty, here. I expect if something like Jerry Maguire or The Rock were gonna show, they would have done so by now.

So far, Jim Jarmusch's Dead Man is the only 1996 flick to place. The only two absolutes I see remaining from that decade are Fargo and Scream, with Trainspotting very likely as well. If one other title sneaks in, OK, but I would not be shocked to see 1996 top out at just four or five, when all is said and done. It sure ain't gonna get anywhere close to double digits. '96 only had five the first time around, and two of those - Breaking the Waves and Sling Blade - seem less and less likely the higher we get on the countdown. I have one on my ballot I am hoping beyond hope makes it, though I figure it would have been bottom twenty-five if it snuck on.
Yeah, I very much agree that this year was really week. I had early hopes for Hard Eight to make it, but I doubt it now. Bound is also another one that gets much love around here. However, it made #59 in the Neo-noir countdown, so it probably won't make it here. Seems a little late also for stuff like Mission: Impossible or Primal Fear.

1998, on the other hand, was a stacked year and will do much better by the final reveal, but most of them will be in the top half of the list. The Big Lebowski, Saving Private Ryan, The Thin Red Line, The Truman Show, and Rushmore are all sure or nearly-sure bets to be in the mix with The Celebration, which is the only 1998 movie named so far, with Lebowski very likely Top Three material.

Last time 1998 finished with eleven entries: The Big Lebowski, Saving Private Ryan, The Thin Red Line, American History X, The Truman Show, Fear & Loathing in Las Vegas, Happiness, Rushmore, Dark City, Fu*king Åmål, and Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels. They will not all reappear. I think the Guy Ritchie flick and American History X have both fallen out of favor a bit, enough to miss the collective this time. While Terry Gilliam's 1980s classics endure, because his career has trailed off since the 1990s it seems to have weakened his overall popularity, and while 12 Monkeys should stay the course I don't know if there is enough Depp fandom to keep Fear & Loathing in.

Speaking of 12 Monkeys, we're getting pretty high in the countdown for a lot more Sci-Fi to pop up. T2 and The Matrix must be there and very high up, and I suspect both Bruce Willis' starers 12 Monkeys and The Fifth Element may make it (no way for 1998's Armageddon, which didn't even make the Sci-Fi list), and Galaxy Quest has been surging of late in these MoFo exercises and has pretty much gotta be there. But does all of that leave room for Dark City? Though surely it got more votes than The Crow, yes?

Show Me Love/Fu*king Åmål seems like it would have appeared already if it were coming back, and I kinda feel the same way about Happiness at this point. Will those be in or near the top half of the list? Shakespeare in Love and Life is Beautiful, both of which were award season darlings at the time, have no real shot here. There may be a surprise or two left, but I'd put the 1998 over/under at eight. Definitely more than whatever 1996 winds up with.
Dark City did really well in the Neo-noir countdown, finished at #24, so I agree it has a really strong chance to still make it. Maybe the same could be said about A Simple Plan, which ended up at #46, but that one seems unlikely. How about Out of Sight?