Obama Most Pro-Abortion President in History

That is an extremely controversial statement, Mes. Not to mention that it lacks any kind of information or understanding. So don't go telling someone else that "Your "point" is overshadowed by the words of the victims of racism", when what you're saying is biased crap in the first place.

Is this freakin' for real? Now I'm getting a little ticked off. How the Hell did race enter the discussion here? Oh, my bad. He posted a picture of Obama at the end. Now it's perfectly on topic.


If this were any other legitimate debate thread, several posts would have been deleted by now. But I guess the "legitimacy" aspect of this is lost.

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I do, actually, and it looks an awful lot like portraying our African American president as a dredlocked ganja toking Rastafarian. Cause yeah, you don't see that with white presidents. (Though Ronald Reagan sparking up a joint would be a hoot...)

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I'm pretty sure that image comes from the "choom gang" thing Obama wrote about in his book, and not just because he's black. But obviously I can't speak to anyone's motivation beyond that.

Reducing someone to a stereotype feels racist.

And it is, if the stereotype is about their race. But this one isn't: it's a stereotype about pot smokers.

I happen to think it's a ridiculous image that has nothing to do with the topic, but that doesn't make it racist.

Abortion kills innocent unborn women. I can't think of anything more anti-woman than that.

No, you don't.

This is racism -- When minority groups are targeted.

http://blackgenocide.org/

I can't spend too much more time on this as the US seems to throw up much more extremist religious views than it does in the UK so I guess I'm not seeing things in the same light as some of you. So that in mind I'd rather broaden out the debate to a world view.

Illegal abortion kills women. Statistics will show that women who want an abortion, if denied a legal one will risk an illegal one. Is that what you want in your civilised country? A back kitchen table and a knitting needle?

If you have time Mesmerised, not that it'd change your beliefs, but it may open your eyes to the lives of women all over the world, have a read of this:
http://www.who.int/reproductivehealt...9241501118/en/

I quote : Sedgh et al. show that women all over the world are highly likely to have an induced abortion when faced with an unplanned pregnancy – irrespective of legal conditions. However, where abortion laws
are the least restrictive there is no or very little evidence of unsafe abortion, while legal restrictions increase the percentage of unlawful and unsafe procedures.

Unsafe abortions kill women. Which has the knock on effect of depriving families of a mother and all the economic and emotional problems that go with that.

In a beautiful and ordered world where everyone had enough money to live and ignorance and prejudice were things of the past we probably wouldn't need abortion, but life isn't like that. Why do you think that the abortion clinics you mentioned were 'targeting' poor areas? Here in the UK too the most abortions take place in the poorer areas. It's precisely where the clinics are needed - where there's poverty, lack of opportunities, lack of education, abuse and neglect. I don't know if you're a woman or a man Mesmerised, but whatever, you can't tell me that any woman would actually want to go through an abortion? Surely providing decent free contraceptive services, decent sex education, councelling and empowering girls to look after their bodies is a much better healthier and safer way of doing things? Not restricting abortions but enabling people to walk an alternative path to having an unwanted pregnancy in the first place.

I do know quite a bit about church history actually. Here in the UK the church has been inextricably linked in with the monarchy going back thousands of years so when we have history lessons in school, church history is part of it. Although I'm an atheist it doesn't stop me reading the bible or knowing the history of religion either. You may say there is one church, but there clearly is many, many different interpretations of the bible and Christian beliefs depending on which branch of the Christian church you practise in thus leading to the differing interpretations of the words you infer are set in stone.


I'm not getting into that one. As far as I can see it's a constructed debate about wording, not reality. I'm not debating deliberate misconstruing of Obama's words, it's just having a pop at the president to detract from the task in hand. So no thanks on that one.

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. In developing regions abortion has been used if that are going to have a girl and want a boy, but in the USA that's illegal, and there's plenty of abortions on male fetuses. I just can't see why you would only chose to mention unborn women

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Not really. Some measures have passed in a state or two, but that's it. They're also largely unenforceable.

I don't think he did. He's saying that any procedure that kills lots of unborn women is "anti-woman." I don't think that was meant to suggest that it's exclusively anti-woman, though it is certainly disproportionately so.

I'm still confused on the statement, if there's nothing to say that women are targeted how is it anti-woman?

Well, for one, they are targeted: more girls are aborted than boys, and in some countries the difference is extreme (not just third-world countries, either). All pro-choice people should understand and confront the fact that their beliefs are leading to fewer women.

The point of the earlier statement, though, is to expose the inadequacy of the phrase. If a policy which literally kills women (even at the same rate as men) isn't "anti-woman," what is? That's just a blatant failure of perspective. It's an example of getting caught up in shallow rhetoric and losing sight of the bigger picture.

BIG problem in my country

Abortions kill men and women regardless. The myth of its legality doesn't change this fact. All abortions result in death. That's what abortion does: deliberate killing of the unborn. The liberal mindset is self-centered and this must change in order to see the murders committed.

Women murdered by abortion:
http://www.jillstanek.com/2013/02/br...ms-identified/

http://www.lifenews.com/2014/01/09/m...n-in-abortion/

http://www.wnd.com/2012/09/bleeding-...chicago-woman/

As I had quoted, Margaret Sanger who founded Planned Parenthood wanted to exterminate and sterilize those who she considered unfit. This practice continues today in abortuaries all over the world.

Planned Parenthood's racist roots:


Margaret Sanger interview:



In the U.S. all women who commit abortion do so willingly. This isn't China. Women who kill their unborn because the baby is the wrong sex or because she's afraid of how she'll look in a bikini are not life threatening situations. If anything, these types of abortions should have been banned, but not only does Planned Parenthood endorse these, they also endorse the killing of children born as a result of a botch abortion.

Gender selection abortion:


Planned Parenthood opposed to saving victims of botched abortions:



Birth control already is available in the U.S. and still there are children being killed by abortion. It's a myth to think that birth control will solve all problems because when it fails, abortion is sure to follow.

Are you aware the Church of England, or the Anglican Church, separated from Rome in the 16th century? A few years back, 400,000 Anglicans converted to Catholicism after the leaders of the Anglican Church decided to elect gay and women clergy which was contrary to longstanding tradition.

It's not what I say. It's what the Bible says.

I mentioned it in order to answer a specific question about women dying. I, of course, agree that children of both sexes are victims of gender-selective abortion.

You live in India. Correct?

yes....

Call me CrazY, but it doesn't sound like your issue is with Obama being "Pro-Abortion," but it seems like your issue is just with abortion in general, so instead of trying to make it a political argument with that of condemnation of a "liberal" agenda, why aren't you trying to just argue and make your point on a moral platform?

The fact the you brought the President and political parties in on something that is so broad and criticized just on a moral ground (religious, life/death, right to body, etc), means either you are:

A) A diehard conservative who is trying to use this as a Anti-Obama strategy (trust me brother, you have enough against this d-bag without even having to touch abortion)

B) A liberal who is soooooo upset by Obama, that you are trying to use this to sway Liberals into your belief theory

C) An individual who is still learning that to make a point you can't harp your beliefs over and over and over again hoping someone believes you, but that in order to change an individual's belief or a group's belief (majority vs. minority group thinking) you need to first listen to what your DISbelievers are saying and try and use terms and language to relate to them, those who disagree, and then use your words, yes your words to INTELLECTUALLY debate (just because one site's a miriad of internet articles, doesn't make it an intellectual debate).

For the record I am Anti Obama, AND anti abortion, but I can't identify with the logic nor tone/attitude in which this point is being made......Irish-Out...

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Abortion is a human rights violation and Obama is the biggest pusher of death in this country in his support of Planned Parenthood. Solving this begins with recognizing the problem and then taking steps to solve it. The first thing this country needs to do is get the liberals out of the White House and replace them with people who will protect the life of the unborn.

Of course I'm aware of that, it's one of the tenets of British history. Honestly I would think most of the population of Britain knows that.

Conversely there's also thousands of people deserting mainstream churches just because of their hostile attitude to women and gay people in the clergy.

...and calling something traditional doesn't make it right. Tradition also brings us things like female genital mutilation, and chopping thieves hands off and forced marriage...

Anyway I'm dipping out of this thread, I've had my say and not really keen to be in a debate where you don't want to contemplate that there may be millions of sad stories of women and abortions besides the examples like you're bringing up of women having an abortion "because she's afraid of how she'll look in a bikini"

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