The MoFo Top 100 of the Nineties Countdown

[Harry Lime]

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The Mofo Top 100 of the Nineties

Here we are, months later, and we finally have a list. Looking at the list I get the feeling that what we're dealing with here is something special, something that glows with such illumination, power and mystery that it needs to be stored in a vault...or even a briefcase of sorts.

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But rather than keep it all to myself I might as well start posting. Sure, I toyed with the idea of keeping it back for awhile while you all discussed animal cruelty - but that wouldn't be fair.

54 lists with a total of 416 individual movies! That's quite the achievement so give yourselves a pat on the back. Those of you reading this that didn't submit a list, don't give yourself a pat on the back. Why are you here? Get out!

Now before I get started I would like to acknowledge those films that got only one point. That's right, one single, measily point. Someone thought to add the movie at the end of their list, maybe strategically or maybe not, but that would be the only vote these films would receive.

A Very Brady Sequel
Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey
Dead Alive
High Art
Jidlo
Khrustalyov, My Car!
Lone Star
Manhattan Murder Mystery
Moloch
Mother Dao, The Turtlelike
Primal Fear
Quiz Show
Run Lola Run
Sniper
The Prophecy
Universal Soldier

The films were first ranked based on the amount of points they received. Members submitted their top 25 lists and the films listed were awarded points accordingly: 25 for 1st, 24 for 2nd, and so on until 1 point for 25th place. If there was a tie in total points then it would be decided on which film appeared on the most lists, and this did happen. If they tied in the number of lists they were on then it would be decided on which film had the highest ranking on a submitted list, and this did happen. If they were still tied after that both films were disqualified...or it would be decided on their next highest ranking on a submitted list, and this did happen. But that's it, it never went further than that.

A list of members who submitted a list can be found here: http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?p=874804

A big thanks to Yoda and Daniel M for helping out. Daniel M's excel worksheet was invaluable in getting this thing done, and quickly.

And now, the list. Two a day every day until we are done.

The list so far:

100. Con Air
99. The Hole
98. Speed
97. Beauty and the Beast
96. Edward Scissorhands
95. Show Me Love
94. The Sixth Sense
93. Short Cuts
92. Sling Blade
91. Heavenly Creatures
90. Dark City
89. Scream
88. The Sweet Hereafter
87. Rushmore
86. The Fifth Element
85. Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels
84. The Player
83. Point Break
82. Batman Returns
81. Farewell My Concubine
80. Close-Up
79. Naked Lunch
78. Fallen Angels
77. JFK
76. A Brighter Summer Day
75. Happiness
74. Starship Troopers
73. Life Is Beautiful

72. Donnie Brasco
71. All About My Mother
70. Before Sunrise
69. La Haine
68. Army of Darkness
67. The Nightmare Before Christmas
66. Trois couleurs: Bleu
65. Whisper of the Heart
64. The Boondock Saints
63. Funny Games
62. As Good as It Gets
61. Twelve Monkeys
60. Babe
59. Dumb and Dumber
58. The Double Life of Veronique
57. The Lion King
56. Underground
55. Hoop Dreams
54. Trois couleurs: Rouge
53. Toy Story 2
52. Breaking the Waves
51. Hana-bi
50. Total Recall
49. Ed Wood
48. Dazed and Confused
47. True Romance
46. Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
45. Clerks
44. Jackie Brown
43. Sonatine
42. The Straight Story
41. Barton Fink
40. Man Bites Dog
39. Naked
38. The Truman Show
37. Miller's Crossing
36. Casino
35. Dead Man
34. Jurassic Park
33. Trainspotting
32. Braveheart
31. Chungking Express
30. American History X
29. Toy Story
28. The Thin Red Line
27. Good Will Hunting
26. Being John Malkovich
25. Groundhog Day
24. American Beauty
23. Leon: The Professional
22. Princess Mononoke
21. Heat
20. The Usual Suspects
19. Terminator 2: Judgment Day
18. Saving Private Ryan
17. Forrest Gump
16. The Silence of the Lambs
15. Eyes Wide Shut
14. Fargo
13. Boogie Nights
12. Unforgiven
11. The Matrix
10. Schindler's List
9. Magnolia
8. L.A. Confidential
7. Reservoir Dogs
6. The Big Lebowski
5. The Shawshank Redemption
4. Seven
3. Fight Club
2. Pulp Fiction
1. Goodfellas

[teeter_g]

Yay!

[edarsenal]

drumroll pleas!!!

[teeter_g]

I am a little surprised that Universal Soldier and Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey didn't get more than one vote. Also, I am responsible for Sniper I had a feeling it should have been higher on my list.

[The Gunslinger45]

Boo yah!

[Skepsis93]

My poor Run Lola Run. :(

Oh well. That this is earlier than expected makes up for it. Let's do this!

[Harry Lime]

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100. Con Air
(Simon West, 1997)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118880/

42 POINTS

[Miss Vicky]

A Very Brady Sequel
Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey
Dead Alive
High Art
Jidlo
Khrustalyov, My Car!
Lone Star
Manhattan Murder Mystery
Moloch
Mother Dao, The Turtlelike
Primal Fear
Quiz Show
Run Lola Run
Sniper
The Prophecy
Universal Soldier



I did not vote for any of these movies, which means that every single one of the movies I did vote for got at least one other vote. This gives me hope!

ETA: Harry Lime edited and it's one point not just one vote. Damn.

[Skepsis93]

Might see for dat Nic Cage hair alone.

[Guaporense]

Con Air
(Simon West, 1997)

meh

[teeter_g]

You haven't seen it Skeps?

[Skepsis93]

Nope...

[Harry Lime]

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99. Dong aka The Hole
(Ming-Liang Tsai, 1998)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0156610/

43 POINTS

[teeter_g]

Con Air is a good flick.

[Harry Lime]

Yeah, it's an odd first pairing that's for sure.

[Skepsis93]

A Taiwanese Fantasy/Musical called "Dong"? I'm sold.

[teeter_g]

We are an eclectic group, that is certain.

[Guaporense]

That one appears interesting.

[Guaporense]

We are an eclectic group, that is certain.

Indeed. Which is expected, given that there isn't any restriction to register into the forums.

[Godoggo]

[/CENTER]

I did not vote for any of these movies, which means that every single one of the movies I did vote for got at least one other vote. This gives me hope!

Was it one point or one vote, because I have one movie on my list that I'd be really surprised if it ended up on someone else's list.

Really surprised I was the only one with Quiz Show on my list. That's a good movie, dang it! :cool:

Don't like Con Air and haven't seen the other, but it looks interesting.

So glad this has started. Yea! :D

[Skepsis93]

Really surprised I was the only one with Quiz Show on my list. That's a good movie, dang it! :cool:

I like it. Might have been #26.

[Guaporense]

I gave one point to Once Upon a Time in China, which is one of the favorite movies of Linespalsy, so it got at least 25 points, might even make into the top 100.

[Harry Lime]

Was it one point or one vote, because I have one movie on my list that I'd be really surprised if it ended up on someone else's list.

Just one point. The only way a movie could get one point is if it was ranked 25th by one person and not ranked by anyone else. There are many other films that only received one vote, maybe 2 points or 25 points. I just wanted to single out the odd combo of these "last minute" entries, or whatever they are. And yes, Quiz Show is a great film.

[Harry Lime]

And I edited my OP, I can see how it might be confusing. My bad.

[Miss Vicky]

I haven't seen The Hole, but I really like Con Air. Sure it's super cheesy and ridiculous, but it's also massively entertaining and has a great cast. However, I did not vote for it.

[Godoggo]

I like it. Might have been #26.

It was obviously 25 on mine. I put a lot of thought into where to put it and I guess it didn't matter one bit. :)

[mark f]

I meant to include Quiz Show but I forgot it. It wouldn't have gotten enough points to make it though. I forgot another one but it will make it.

[Harry Lime]

Lime said "one vote."
Yeah, see post above. A wrong choice of word written in haste to get this thing going. Sorry to get your hopes up.

[wintertriangles]

I'm pretty happy one Tsai film made the list I must say. I'm also surprised Con Air got enough votes.

[rauldc14]

I didn't have any of the listed films. Also, haven't seen Con Air or The Hole.

[donniedarko]

Quiz Show only got one point? I watched it recently because I thought it'd make the list. One of the films that got one point was from me, it was Jidlo. And I'm 0/2 on watches of the first two. I heard of The Hole from Tyler1 I think and it looks good, anyways unique start.

Edit: The Hole is on YouTube!

[Miss Vicky]

Yeah, see post above. A wrong choice of word written in haste to get this thing going. Sorry to get your hopes up.

Bastard. :p

[jiraffejustin]

If I would have listed Dead Alive as Braindead would it still be an orphan?

[rauldc14]

I have to wonder if all the pictured movies from the first post made the list. I would expect most of them to.

[Pussy Galore]

I actually have not seen either of those i'll have to check them out

[Yoda]

Oh man, I totally forgot Quiz Show. Craaaaaaap. It wouldn't have been tacked onto the end, either, but I just totally blanked. Bummer.

[Godoggo]

Quiz Show only got one point? I watched it recently because I thought it'd make the list.
Edit: The Hole is on YouTube!

Good to know. I'll watch that this weekend.

I thought so too. I predicted that 12 movies would make it from my list and that was one of them.

[Sexy Celebrity]

*sigh* Con Air and a foreign film already. I have a bad feeling about the chances for many of my movies. Especially since I gave the one point to A Very Brady Sequel.

http://www.movieforums.com/community/attachment.php?attachmentid=10754&stc=1&d=1373423466

I also had a feeling that Harry Lime was going to start this countdown today and not wait until the weekend. My psychic juices are already being pulped.

I do like the fact that Nicholas Cage has already been represented, though.

http://www.movieforums.com/community/attachment.php?attachmentid=10755&stc=1&d=1373424316

[Harry Lime]

If I would have listed Dead Alive as Braindead would it still be an orphan?
Yup.

I have to wonder if all the pictured movies from the first post made the list. I would expect most of them to.
Got that picture off of google images. Was tempted to make something of my own but too much work.

[Guaporense]

Good, no pictures spoiling the list!

[Masterman]

Con Air is a pretty good action movie.

[Guaporense]

Well, pretty good isn't top 100 material. There were tens of thousands of pretty goods movies made in the 1990's.

[Miss Vicky]

Con Air is well loved on this forum. That makes it top 100 material.

[LP Quagmire]

MANHATTAN MURDER MYSTERY? Really? It's an enjoyable bit of fluff but it's hardly top-drawer Woody. UNIVERSAL SOLDIER?? Are you serious?! This list tells me I'm just not in on the joke...

[meatwadsprite]

lol dong, lol the hole

no but really, who voted for Con-Air

[Harry Lime]

MANHATTAN MURDER MYSTERY? Really? It's an enjoyable bit of fluff but it's hardly top-drawer Woody. UNIVERSAL SOLDIER?? Are you serious?! This list tells me I'm just not in on the joke...
You're not reading it right.

[LP Quagmire]

You're not reading it right.

That's a relief!

[TylerDurden99]

I voted for Con Air. Love that film, it's ridiculously entertaining.

Haven't heard of the other one.

[teeter_g]

I also had Con Air on my list.

[Masterman]

Well, pretty good isn't top 100 material. There were tens of thousands of pretty goods movies made in the 1990's.

It's a members list, so it's going to be full of movies like Con Air. People sent in there favourite 25 movies, everyone has different taste so I expect this whole list will dissapoint you.

[ThomasP]

Can't say I like either of the first two picks, but I was actually expecting Con Air to end up higher.

Can't wait for the next set.

[Nausicaä]

Aww no, my High Art vote didn't make it! :bawling::bawling:

[cricket]

I actually didn't like Con Air when I saw it although I'd like to try it again. Never heard of that other one.

[JayDee]

I'll really need to watch Con Air again sometime. I've only seen it once and while I remember enjoying it but it didn't make as much of an impression as The Rock or Face/Off. Not seen or even heard of the other film but it does sound interesting.

Of the films with just a single point the biggest surprise to me would be Run Lola Run. I thought that may even have had a chance of sneaking onto the very tail-end of the list. Quiz Show I've not seen yet but have been meaning to for a while. Didn't vote for it myself but Universal Soldier is awesome!

Anyway great going getting the list up and running already Mr Lime. :up:


EDIT - Sorry Harry. I was giving away your credit to Holden Pike there.

[gandalf26]

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[linespalsy]

1. Lone Star almost got 2 points but I changed my mind at the last minute.

2. Con Air is dumb, but more fun and better than The Rock (which I suspect will be high on this list).

3. I'm surprised Dead Alive and Lola Rennt got only 1 point each. Good movies.

4. I'll get around to The Hole eventually.

[Masterman]

Is it 2 posts a day?.

[linespalsy]

2 posts every other day (or when he feels like it).

[mark f]

Two a day every couple of days until we are done.
This.

[teeter_g]

I'll get around to The Hole eventually.

hehehehehe! ;)

[linespalsy]

Okay, okay, I'll get around to (the) Dong eventually.

[Frightened Inmate No. 2]

Haven't seen either of the first two. I would've put Quiz Show on my list, but I saw it so long ago that I barely remember anything about it, except that I liked it, but I would have no idea where to put it, or if it still holds up.

[teeter_g]

okay, okay, i'll get around to (the) dong eventually.

:rotfl:

[Deadite]

I can already tell this will be a very interesting list.

[The Rodent]

100 Con Air
99 The Hole


Not a fan of The Hole, I just didn't get the appeal... and if Con Air has made it, I reckon The Rock will be on here somewhere as well.

[Deadite]

I hope so. It didn't make my list, but I like it better than Con Air.

[The Rodent]

As for Harry's first post mentioning films with only 1 point... Universal Soldier was mine :D

[HitchFan97]

Not seen either of the first two, but an eclectic start to be sure :p

[The Rodent]

Con Air I watched with one eyebrow raised and a wry smile...

I watched The Hole with just one eyebrow raised...

[Brodinski]

And now, the list. Two a day every couple of days until we are done.




That's Brodi-certified right there.

[syj]

I hope so. It didn't make my list, but I like it better than Con Air.

Yeah, The Rock was toward the bottom of my list. I see it as the best example of bombastic Bay/Bruckheimer partnership (not that that is saying much), but I think it's the best straight-ahead action movie of the 90s. It's funny, it's over the top, it's got a good, sympathetic villain in Ed Harris, and it's got that overly dramatic soundtrack that goes well with the slow-motion silliness. I'll definitely have to talk more about it when it comes up. Con Air was okay, but mostly forgettable to me.

[Brodinski]

1. Lone Star almost got 2 points but I changed my mind at the last minute.

Wait a minute.

I'm the guy that gave Lone Star one point. You probably wish you gave it one point. I'd have thought you'd have put that bad boy in your top 15, seeing as I recall you love it.

Or, option B: you did give it one point, in case someone needs to review his Excel sheet.

http://www.tvasylum.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/dunphy.jpg

[linespalsy]

I do love Lone Star, but there are at least a dozen 90s films I love even more, one of which is a Sayles film. I originally had it at no.25 but swapped it out for something else just before the deadline (I'll post my picks after Harry's done with this.)

[donniedarko]

If anyone wants to see the film I dedicated one point to, here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvjzMuIs9lY

[teeter_g]

As for Harry's first post mentioning films with only 1 point... Universal Soldier was mine :D

I can't believe I forgot about Universal Soldier! It would have been high on my list!

[The Rodent]

I think Universal Soldier sums up the 90s quite well.

Fear of technology advancement and genetic experimentation... and mixing it into muscles out action scenes just makes it a lot of fun.

[Sexy Celebrity]

Who had Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey? I automatically assumed that was Rodent's. I love Bogus Journey. I would have given it a point.

[The Rodent]

Not mine...

[Deadite]

Plenty of good movies have occurred to me since I submitted my list but oh well... :shrug:

[Sexy Celebrity]

Deadite, was it you that had Dead Alive? I'm surprised that only had one point.

[gandalf26]

I can't believe I forgot about Universal Soldier! It would have been high on my list!

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4956625214111876&pid=1.7

[mark f]

You don't know people here. :)

[jiraffejustin]

Deadite, was it you that had Dead Alive? I'm surprised that only had one point.

It was I.

[Sexy Celebrity]

I think I know who had Bill and Ted --- Teeter G --- she gave me a rep point.

[Deadite]

Deadite, was it you that had Dead Alive? I'm surprised that only had one point.

Nope. Believe it or not, I had very few horror movies on my list. Some are debatedly more thriller than horror, although I personally think each defies neat categorization. Only one of those contained any overtly supernatural elements. One of the sci-fis I included also had some strong horror elements too.

[teeter_g]

No, I had Sniper. Bill and Ted was another one that I had forgotten about. I enjoyed it.

[Sexy Celebrity]

One of the sci-fis I included also had some strong horror elements too.

Event Horizon, I assume.

[Guaporense]

I think Universal Soldier sums up the 90s quite well.

Fear of technology advancement and genetic experimentation... and mixing it into muscles out action scenes just makes it a lot of fun.

And the execution? Execution is everything and that means Universal Soldier is just another average action movie.

I wanna see if Kurosawa managed to get any movies there. Just watched Rhapsody in August, very memorable and powerful film. His other two 1990's movies are also good enough for a top 100.

[Deadite]

Event Horizon, I assume.

No.

[Masterman]

I wouldn't of minded if Universal Soldier cracked the top 100.

[Guaporense]

It probably will. True Lies and Titanic will probably crack the top 100 as well.

[Sexy Celebrity]

#100 and #99 were blah. Nobody's talking about them. We've moved on. Harry, give us #98 and #97 today. I hope one of them is one of my movies.

[Masterman]

#100 and #99 were blah. Nobody's talking about them. We've moved on. Harry, give us #98 and #97 today. I hope one of them is one of my movies.

Yeah, crack on with another 2 movies.

[Sexy Celebrity]

Or 4.

[Sexy Celebrity]

I will keep track of the list:

The MoFo Top 100 of the Nineties
100. Con Air
99. some foreign film

[Guaporense]

lol, I guess there will be a few dozen foreign films in this list.

[Thursday Next]

42 points needed to make the list, higher than the Millennium list where the 100th place movie scored just 37.

[donniedarko]

Ok so I watched The Hole/Dong and I really didn't care for it. Not only did I find it boring, but so many disposable scenes, and nothing that actually wowed. Atleast it starts with some intense anarchy setting but really doesn't hold up. Also pointless musical scenes, that had no relevance what was going on. I'm 1/2 now, might watch Con Air tonight.

[Harry Lime]

Harry, give us #98 and #97 today.
Um, no.

[Sane]

The Hole is a fascinating film - it was top 20 on my list. Whilst many Asian directors manage to find beauty in urban scenes, Tsai just embraces the ugly. Also, I like rain ...

Con Air was fun from memory. Haven't watched it recently enough to vote for it.

Surprised Run Lola Run didn't get more votes. Was outside my 25 but was still good and thought it would have been popular.

[teeter_g]

Um, no.

Spoil sport. ;)

[honeykid]

No love for Con Air from me. :nope: Don't know the other film, but it doesn't sound or look like something I'd like.

Stay strong, Harry. Two a day is fine. :)

[Sinny McGuffins]

Con-Air is so nineties. I mean, just look at it...

http://www.cinemaspy.com/img/user/CAGE-CON-AIR_300.jpg

[Nausicaä]

I think I know who had Bill and Ted --- Teeter G --- she gave me a rep point.


Teeter is a she? I thought Teeter was a man... :shifty:

[jiraffejustin]

I thought teeter was a wolf.

[mark f]

You don't know people here. :):)

[The Gunslinger45]

Ah Con Air. I remember seeing this when I was a kid. I feel old now. lol

And since none of my movies got listed as one of the one vote few, that means all of my movies had at least one other person vote for them. :D

Though I half expected to be the only one who voted for Blade.

[mark f]

No, it doesn't. Those movies listed were on one ballot in the 25th position. :)

[Psychic Isaac]

Now before I get started I would like to acknowledge those films that got only one point. That's right, one single, measily point. Someone thought to add the movie at the end of their list, maybe strategically or maybe not, but that would be the only vote these films would receive.

A Very Brady Sequel
Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey
Dead Alive
High Art
Jidlo
Khrustalyov, My Car!
Lone Star
Manhattan Murder Mystery
Moloch
Mother Dao, The Turtlelike
Primal Fear
Quiz Show
Run Lola Run
Sniper
The Prophecy
Universal Soldier


:laugh:

The Prophecy was my pick. I knew it wouldn't make the Top 100 list, and I knew that Harry was going to make a list of all of the films that only got one point, so I strategically placed it last so it would wind up on this list and at least get some recognition. The move was strategic, Harry. Absolutely strategic.

The funny thing is that I'm not even a fan of The Prophecy. I'm just a nutty mad man. :laugh:

[The Gunslinger45]

No, it doesn't. Those movies listed were on one ballot in the 25th position. :)

Ah my mistake.

[cricket]

Primal fear was my pick; I loved it. I didn't expect it to make the list though.

[Sexy Celebrity]

Two more films! Two more films!

[Frightened Inmate No. 2]

I would rather have it just be one film every day instead of two films every other day.

[JayDee]

The appearance of Con Air has actually reminded me of a question that I had been meaning to ask before the list started - do you think there will be more personal/cult picks in this list than in the 00s collection?

I think there could well be. I think when it comes to big award-winning films lots of people tend to see them right away and are impressed, but that overtime their impact can lessen. Perhaps that may happen to some of the 00s films over time. Whereas cult flicks can take longer to be discovered but can really grow to be loved. For example I'm thinking of a film like Demolition Man which I know has quite a lot of big fans on here, and I really wouldn't be surprised to see it on here.

Oh and my other question. There weren't a great deal of straight-up comedies on the 00s list, but what do we think will be the top ranking comedy for the 90s? Dumb and Dumber? There's Something About Mary? Groundhog Day? Happy Gilmore? Wayne's World? South Park? Actually just thinking, if you count it as just a straight comedy I suppose The Big Lebowski will come top given its popularity round these parts.

[edarsenal]

lebowski is the only comedy i did have on my list and for my 25th, i had silence of the lambs so its lookin like mine should be spread out throughout the list.

Always enjoyed Con Air, but wasn't on my list

[Cobpyth]

The only two comedies I had on my list were Ed Wood and Bullets Over Broadway, except a few darker ones that can also be seen as comedies.

I haven't seen the first two entries, by the way.

Con Air really does not seem like my cup of tea, but I'll probably watch it someday, just because it's on this list.

I don't really know what to expect from The Hole. I'll probably also see that one in the future.

[teeter_g]

Teeter is a she? I thought Teeter was a man... :shifty:

Indeed I am a female. It is the love of football, hunting and action movies that throws people off.

I thought teeter was a wolf.

Hahaha! :rotfl:

[Miss Vicky]

I had quite a few comedies in my list.

[wintertriangles]

I imagine there will be plenty of comedies. There was a good equilibrium of seriousness and facetiousness in the 90s.

[Guaporense]

42 points needed to make the list, higher than the Millennium list where the 100th place movie scored just 37.

Indeed. But there were 11 more lists this time: 54 lists versus 43 lists for the millennium list.

[TheUsualSuspect]

Con Air

One of my favourite action films. One of my favourite Nic Cage films.

"Put the bunny....back....in the box"

It has a great cast: Nic Cage, John Malkovich, Ving Rhames, Steve Buscemi, Danny Trejo, Colm Meaney, Dave Chappelle, John Cusack, M.C. Gainey and Monica Potter. The concept is high and the adrenaline keeps pumping. Simon West's first and to this day, best film. The Rock in the sky basically and I love both of these Cage flicks.

4




The Hole

Never heard of it.

But it is obviously good and high art, bringing some class to this list because it is foreign.

5

[Deadite]

A lot of the films that I picked have humor in them but very few could be considered pure comedy.

[Harry Lime]

There may or may not be comedies on the list. I cannot confirm nor deny this.

[The Rodent]

Harry Lime: Politician

[donniedarko]

So I watched Con Air, first ten minutes I thought this would be awful. I mean your a deadly weapon since you are military and therefore you can't defend yourself? Who comes up with this ****. Nicolas Cage found an awful lawyer. And don't southerners orgasm over veterans, they usually don't disrespect them. The plane sequence was solid fun and the best part of the film, when it landed it started going down hill again. It is a good at action but not much else. Now that I'm all caught up you can post the next movies :D

[Gabrielle947]

Seen Con Air a few times during my childhood,should rewatch.
Haven't heard of the other one.
None of them were in my list. :)

[Thursday Next]

Hadn't heard of The Hole before this list, but watched it last night. It wasn't bad, but it was one of those movies where an interesting short-film concept is stretched across a feature length movie by means of just going very slowly. 3

[meatwadsprite]

A lot of the films that I picked have humor in them but very few could be considered pure comedy.

My list was a joke if that counts.

[Deadite]

My list was a joke if that counts.

So are you saying you intentionally tried to inject misrepresentation into the Mofo 90's list? You sir are a fiendish troll.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5rRZdiu1UE

[meatwadsprite]

Let's just say, I wouldn't be surprised if we see Battlefield Earth on the list.

[linespalsy]

So I watched Con Air, first ten minutes I thought this would be awful. I mean your a deadly weapon since you are military and therefore you can't defend yourself? Who comes up with this ****.

Don't forget the corny prison montage after the trial. All in all I find the kitsch so thick in that movie that it practically becomes surreal. David Lynch eat your heart out.

[Guaporense]

Let's just say, I wouldn't be surprised if we see Battlefield Earth on the list.

Even though it is not a 90's movie?

[Harry Lime]

Even though it is not a 90's movie?
I made an exception for meatwad.

[Masterman]

C'mon with the next few :).

[Guaporense]

Indeed. This thread will break all records of length if compared to earlier ones as it will have over 5,000 posts up to the last movie!

[BlueLion]

10-07-2013, the day Con Air became a cult movie on MoFo.

[Miss Vicky]

Where are you getting 10/7? Lime posted it on 7/9.

ETA Because I just realized what a huge brainfart I had when i posted this.

I always forget that other countries format their date differently (It doesn't help that BlueLion doesn't have a location listed).

[BlueLion]

Where are you getting 10/7? Lime posted it on 10/9.

I don't live in the Americas.

[Miss Vicky]

Ah I always forget about the whole dateline thing. Anyway I wouldn't say that Con-Air JUST NOW became a MoFo cult movie. It's always seemed to get a lot of love around here. It probably won't be the only movie of its kind to make the list either.

[Daniel M]

Awesome to see I was of help and everything worked out well Harry Lime, looking forward to this now that I am back :)

Awesome to see Con Air make the list. Proud to say I had it at #3 on my list (I can say this, yes?), so that's 23 points, put the less likely options near the top to make the list more interesting, glad to see it worked.

[gandalf26]

Post the next 2 or the bunny gets it!

http://www.leben-zwo-punkt-null.de/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/cyrus_the_virus1.gif

[Guaporense]

Oh, so Daniel M put it here, given that he gave it more than half of it's points. Let's hope the movie I gave 23 points is also in the top 100.

[donniedarko]

#3?! I don't think I ever heard you talk about it. Did it even make your top 150?

Edit: just read the part about stradgedic voting

[Daniel M]

#3?! I don't think I ever heard you talk about it. Did it even make your top 150?

Edit: just read the part about stradgedic voting

I have posted a few times that it's a real guilty pleasure of mine, ages ago though. But yeh strategic, wasn't in my top 150 but I'll be honest just completely forgot it when I based it off my IMDB stuff :)

[Guaporense]

Indeed. I didn't see it in your top 150 even though this would probably be top 30 considering it is top 3 of the 1990's for you.

[weeman]

I have posted a few times that it's a real guilty pleasure of mine, ages ago though. But yeh strategic, wasn't in my top 150 but I'll be honest just completely forgot it when I based it off my IMDB stuff :)

Getting Con Air into any "best of" list is a hell of an achievement. Should've put it as #1 :p

[teeter_g]

I had Con-Air at #19 on my list.

[Deadite]

Well, now we know who are the people to blame. :D

But seriously, I like Con Air. Seen it a half dozen times, at least. It's like bubblegum; just chew on it while it's there and spit it out when you're done. Fun movie to watch when you don't want to think about what you're watching.

I prefer the performances and action sequences in The Rock, personally, but whatevs it's all good.

[weeman]

Well, now we know who are the people to blame. :D

But seriously, I like Con Air. Seen it a half dozen times, at least. It's like bubblegum; just chew on it while it's there and spit it out when you're done. Fun movie to watch when you don't want to think about what you're watching.

I prefer the performances and action sequences in The Rock, personally, but whatevs it's all good.

Losers try their best etc etc :p Who doesn't love a Sean Connery, Nic Cage pairing? (Don't answer that :rolleyes:)

[Harry Lime]

http://imageshack.us/a/img19/916/h9a4.jpg

98. Speed
(Jan De Bont, 1994)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0111257/

44 POINTS

[Harry Lime]

http://imageshack.us/a/img194/5098/nn33.jpg

97. Beauty and the Beast
(Gary Trousdale and Kirk Wise, 1991)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0101414/

44 POINTS

[Miss Vicky]

I've never cared for Beauty and the Beast.

I loved Speed when it came out (I was all of 13 years old the time) and I still like it, but it's no longer a favorite and it didn't get my vote.

[wintertriangles]

Boring pair, post two more to make up for it

[Sexy Celebrity]

Boring pair, post two more to make up for it

Amen.

[The Gunslinger45]

SPEED! Oh hell yes! Classic action movie from the 90's!

But if this movie is this low, some of my action flicks do not bode well. :(

[Skepsis93]

Don't care for BATB and haven't seen Speed yet. I'm 1 for 4!

[Deadite]

Speed is one of the best action movies ever.

[Harry Lime]

Boring pair, post two more to make up for it

Amen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyLvkF2z0AQ

[HitchFan97]

Haven't seen Beauty and the Beast since I was little, but that's 1 for 4

[The Gunslinger45]

I myself am 3/4

[Frightened Inmate No. 2]

Haven't seen Speed, but I kind of want to.

I haven't seen Beauty and the Beast all the way through since I was a kid, but I think I liked it. I don't remember it enough to have a full opinion of it.

[cricket]

Speed is one of the best action movies ever.

I agree! It didn't quite make my list but would've made the top 30. I'm a little surprised it's not higher on the list. Never saw the other one.

[honeykid]

Speed is the first film from my list to make the cut. I think I've got 8-10 more that could make the list.

[Pussy Galore]

I have seen both so I am 2 for 4

Speed almost made my list I like it a lot it was a great thrill ride

Beauty and the Beast I liked, but not loved. It was good although I disliked the songs

[rauldc14]

Beauty and the Beast was decent. I kind of expected it to make the list anyways. Though if I was looking at Disney movies, I may be the only person who thinks Aladdin is the superior 90s movie, and I don't expect that to crack the list.

[donniedarko]

I haven't seen Beauty and the Beast since I was a kid, but from memory it's a charming story. I haven't seen Speed at all, but it looks like a good action flick. Thought it would be higher.

[Skepsis93]

Beauty and the Beast was decent. I kind of expected it to make the list anyways. Though if I was looking at Disney movies, I may be the only person who thinks Aladdin is the superior 90s movie, and I don't expect that to crack the list.

I prefer Aladdin too, but Tarzan is by far my favourite animation of the decade.

[The Rodent]

Speeeeeed!!

Love it... was in 13th in my list

[Godoggo]

I love Beauty and the Beast. It wasn't on my list, but it was one I had considered.

Speed is an enjoyable film, but it's not something I would have considered for my own list

[Miss Vicky]

I'm surprised at how many MoFos haven't seen Speed. If you like action movies at all, you should watch it.

[rauldc14]

I haven't seen Speed at all either. I'll have to look into it.

[rauldc14]

I prefer Aladdin too, but Tarzan is by far my favourite animation of the decade.

Even over Lion King? That's the obvious #1 for me, with Aladdin over Beauty and the Beast and the others.

[The Gunslinger45]

I now see why Speed is so low on the list. NO ONE HAS SEEN IT!

[The Rodent]

I reviewed Speed not long back... my review thread, page 32...

[cricket]

I'm surprised at how many MoFos haven't seen Speed. If you like action movies at all, you should watch it.

My thoughts exactly; I thought that was a movie everyone has seen.

[Godoggo]

I'm surprised at how many MoFos haven't seen Speed. If you like action movies at all, you should watch it.

They must be the youngins' because I would imagine most of the people in our age range have seen it. I remember my Dad renting it a lot. I think Sandra Bullock may have had something to do with that. :)

A lot of this list is going to be nostalgic for me, I imagine.

[Sexy Celebrity]

I think I saw Speed once sometime LONG ago and I don't really remember it. Same thing with Beauty and the Beast. I'd watch Speed again, though -- Keanu Reeves and Dennis Hopper? Sounds enjoyable.

[Miss Vicky]

Youngins vs. our age range?

Godoggo, You're making me feel old!

[Sexy Celebrity]

We are old. Although, I think I'm younger than you.

[The Rodent]

I'm only 31 and I feel like I'm an oldie as well.

Though if I feel like this at this age... I feel proper sorry for some of the other MoFos on here.

[Guaporense]

I haven't seem the Chinese one yet watched the other 3. Beauty and the Beast is considered better than Lion King by specialists in Disney movies but I haven't watched it for nearly two decades though so I can't compare with Lion King, which I have watched this year. It's a decent movie but nothing exceptional, characterization is very simplistic and the film is lacking in depth and ambiguity.

[Pussy Galore]

I don't think ambiguity is a necessity in movies. Yes for some films it can give a wider place for the viewer to think, but for a child movie like The Lion King I can't complain about the lack of ambiguity.

[The Rodent]

Maybe if it was in amine you'd like it :D

Just roasting you mate... not a fan of Disney cartoons at all tbh... going back to my other post, I forgot to say what I thought about BATB...

Not bad, a little too girly for my tastes, I remember girls at school liked it, but wasn't and still isn't my sort of thing really.

[edarsenal]

i'm old and damn happy about it! lol

been a VERY long time since seeing either movie and remember enjoying both of them, neither on my list and i'm with rauld and skepsis about Aladdin being better and i was so-so about lion king. May have to rewatch them all and re-assess.

[Harry Lime]

Speed is a fun action flick. If you're a fan of the genre and haven't seen it then it's kind of a must-see. But whatever you do don't watch the sequel!

I haven't seem the Chinese one yet...
Taiwanese.

[Guaporense]

I don't think ambiguity is a necessity in movies. Yes for some films it can give a wider place for the viewer to think, but for a child movie like The Lion King I can't complain about the lack of ambiguity.

Well, Spirited Away and Tale of Tales are children's movies (made for children) and are extremely complex and ambiguous. Miyazaki has explained that Disney shows contempt for the intelligence of their audience producing their movies.

Disney also has some problems with their puritanical 1940's view of morality and values.

Maybe if it was in amine you'd like it. :)
There are anime rather similar to Disney's movies in terms of complexity such as Hamtaro. I don't like these ones.

[Harry Lime]

Well, Spirited Away and Tale of Tales are children's movies and are extremely complex and ambiguous.
Yeah my nieces and nephew (ages 5,6, and 7) probably wouldn't like those two, but they love the Disney films from the 90's.

[Guaporense]

Taiwanese.

Taiwan = Republic of China, it is a part of China that is not under the control of the Communists but it is still China hence it is absolutely correct to characterize The Hole as a Chinese film.

[Harry Lime]

Taiwan = Republic of China
I don't want to start a debate but you're absolutely wrong, especially when we're talking about films.

Read a book.

[Godoggo]

Youngins vs. our age range?

Godoggo, You're making me feel old!

We're still young. I meant those really young ones who were born in the 90's. :D

[The Gunslinger45]

Taiwan = Republic of China, it is a part of China that is not under the control of the Communists but it is still China hence it is absolutely correct to characterize The Hole as a Chinese film.

Dude I used to live in Taiwan. It is not the same as China.

[The Rodent]

We're still young. I meant those really young ones who were born in the 30's. :D


Wow... how old are you?

[Guaporense]

Yeah my nieces and nephew (ages 5,6, and 7) probably wouldn't like those two, but they love the Disney films from the 90's.

Small children also seem to prefer Cars 2 to Finding Nemo and Ratatoille as well:

http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/culturebox/2013/06/the_best_pixar_movies_as_chosen_by_children_critics_say_they_re_on_the_decline.html

http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/articles/arts/culturebox/2013/06/130628_criticsPixarRatings.jpg.CROP.original-original.jpg

http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/articles/arts/culturebox/2013/06/130628_kidsPixarRatings.jpg.CROP.original-original.jpg

Also, Spirited Away is the highest grossing film of all time in Japan. So complex children's movies appear to be liked by the population overall, though I suspect only a small fraction of the audience for Spirited Away was under 12 years old.

Anyway, Pixar has shown that the US market is also not that hostile to more complex animation as long as it is kids friendly.

[Pussy Galore]

Well, Spirited Away and Tale of Tales are children's movies (made for children) and are extremely complex and ambiguous. Miyazaki has explained that Disney shows contempt for the intelligence of their audience producing their movies.

Disney also has some problems with their puritanical 1940's view of morality and values.


There are anime rather similar to Disney's movies in terms of complexity such as Hamtaro. I don't like these ones.

I agree with that. I'm a huge Miyazaki fan, but I still really like the Lion King, but with a different eye. It's a beautiful family story that is easily understandable for children.

[The Gunslinger45]

Can't help but notice the HUGE drop by Cars 2 in the critics chart. WOW!

[Harry Lime]

http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/articles/arts/culturebox/2013/06/130628_kidsPixarRatings.jpg.CROP.original-original.jpg

I'm surprised Cars is ranked so low with the kids.

[The Gunslinger45]

I'm surprised Cars is ranked so low with the kids.

I am surprised Finding Nemo was so low.

[Sane]

Taiwan = Republic of China, it is a part of China that is not under the control of the Communists but it is still China hence it is absolutely correct to characterize The Hole as a Chinese film.
Even Chinese people tend to treat Taiwan as being separate. In regards to where people are from and where things like movies and music are from, mainland China, Hong Kong and Taiwan are distinct areas. If I mention a movie to my partner as being Chinese she will always correct me if it's from Hong Kong or Taiwan.

Important to note that in regards to Tsai, he originally comes from Malaysia which is perhaps an added reason not to call it a Chinese movie.

[Guaporense]

I don't want to start a debate but you're absolutely wrong, especially when we're talking about films.

Read a book.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan

"Taiwan, officially the Republic of China."

The island of Taiwan was mainly inhabited by Taiwanese aborigines until the Dutch period in the 17th century when ethnic Chinese began immigrating to the island. The Qing Dynasty of China later conquered Taiwan in 1683. By the time Taiwan was ceded to Japan in 1895, the majority of Taiwan's inhabitants were Han Chinese either by ancestry or by assimilation. The Republic of China (ROC) was established in China in 1912. At the end of World War II in 1945, Japan surrendered Taiwan to ROC military forces on behalf of the Allies. Following the Chinese civil war, the Communist Party of China took full control of mainland China and founded the People's Republic of China (PRC) in 1949. The ROC relocated its government to Taiwan, and its jurisdiction became limited to Taiwan and its surrounding islands.

Can I call a movie made in Hong Kong, Chinese? Hong Kong wasn't part of China for longer than Taiwan and still has a different civil administration than mainland China.

Anyway, it will be only a matter of time before the Communist Party integrates Taiwan into the rest of China, after China emerges as the dominant global power in the next decade.

[donniedarko]

I liked A Bugs Life as a kid

[The Rodent]

I've noticed the lowest scorers on kids' ratings are those that lay on a thick moral message.

The highest ones have a moral message behind them but are the most colourful and not so heavy with said message.

[Harry Lime]

I am surprised Finding Nemo was so low.
I tried watching it with my nieces and nephew once or twice, didn't hold up too well. Not sure why. I thought there would be a similar result with Wall-E but maybe because I told them it was my favourite cartoon they gave it a chance and liked it.

[Godoggo]

Well, Spirited Away and Tale of Tales are children's movies (made for children) and are extremely complex and ambiguous. Miyazaki has explained that Disney shows contempt for the intelligence of their audience producing .

I don't care if Miyazaki thinks me dumber than a sack of potatoes. I love me some Disney. :)

Not everything worthwhile needs to be complex and ambitious. Simple and fun has its own value and there is room in the world for both.

[Guaporense]

I agree with that. I'm a huge Miyazaki fan, but I still really like the Lion King, but with a different eye. It's a beautiful family story that is easily understandable for children.

The Lion King was my favorite movie when I was 5. Re-watching it as an adult I still found a certain sense of elegance and harmony in the movie.

[The Gunslinger45]

I tried watching it with my nieces and nephew once or twice, didn't hold up too well. Not sure why. I thought there would be a similar result with Wall-E but maybe because I told them it was my favourite cartoon they gave it a chance and liked it.

Go figure. I have not seen many Pixar movies, but I assumed the fish movie when over well with the kids.

[TheUsualSuspect]

Speed

Pop quiz hot shot!!! What movie launched Keanu Reeve's career and had an over the top performance from a great actor who loves to play villains?

SPEED!!!

A thrill ride from start to finish. One of the only action thrill films that I would have loved to have seen in theatres. It's a great and simple concept that manages to keep you glued to the seat. I love watching it every time it's on tv. The cast of characters stuck on the bus with Reeves and Bullock add more depth, comedy and much needed interaction to the film.

Where does it take a misstep? Once we leave the bus and get on a subway train. It looses some steam there and feels like a different flick. I also always hated the scene where Jeff Daniels bites the dust.

4


Beauty & The Beast

My girlfriends favourite Disney flick. It has catchy songs, a simplistic love story that is easy to follow, classic Disney animation style and until Pixar came around, was the only animated film to be nominated for Best Picture at the Oscars. I prefer my own childhood Disney favourite Aladdin, but Beast is still a solid pick.

3.5

[Harry Lime]

Spoke too soon, it was on the last page.

I'll just add that if you consider yourself such a fan of international film then you should be well aware of the difference.

[Guaporense]

Even Chinese people tend to treat Taiwan as being separate.

People from my state (including myself) tend to treat the other Brazilian states as being different. That's because they are. The United States also has huge cultural differences between its regions as does Russia and India. Mainland China also has great cultural differences between their Han Chinese areas and the areas near the Gobi desert. Still, I am Brazilian even though I have a different cultural background than 95% of the population of my country.

In regards to where people are from and where things like movies and music are from, mainland China, Hong Kong and Taiwan are distinct areas. If I mention a movie to my partner as being Chinese she will always correct me if it's from Hong Kong or Taiwan.

I see, but it is not nominally incorrect to claim that a movie from The Republic of China is a Chinese movie, neither it is nominally incorrect to call a movie from Hong Kong as a Chinese movie, considering that Hong Kong is officially part of Mainland China as well. Even though cultural differences have emerged thanks to differing economic trajectories over the past six decades, all these three regions are still predominantly inhabited by the Han Chinese ethnic group.

West Germany and East Germany were both parts of Germany as well, as Hong Kong, Taiwan and Commie China are all parts of a greater China. Huge cultural differences existed between East and West Germany by 1989. Still both were called Germany.

Anyway, I will not talk more about it.

[TheUsualSuspect]

I don't live in the Americas.

Why every country doesn't make it easier and simply go DD/MM/YYYY I'll never know.

[The Rodent]

Thread Jacked...
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:D

[TheUsualSuspect]

Thread Jacked...
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:D

Well, at this rate it was bound to happen.

[Guaporense]

I love me some Disney. :) Not everything worthwhile needs to be complex and ambitious. Simple and fun has its own value and there is room in the world for both.

My point was only that just because it is a children's movie it doesn't need to be simplistic. It can have a simplistic layer for the children and a more complex layer below for the cinephiles and film critics. :) That occurs in Pixar's movies, for instance, such as UP and Wall-E.

Also, you should note that my favorite movie is not among the most complex and ambitious movies I have watched (in fact, all the other movies in my top 20 are more complex than Totoro with the exception of Bicycle Thieves) so I agree with you in that regard.

The only thing that separates children's movies from adult movies is that in children's movies everything that happened before can be reversed while in adult movies some things can't. For example, in Spirited Away it was possible to reverse everything that happened, hence it is a children's movie, while in Grave of the Fireflies, isn't, the second is an adult movie. I knew Spirited Away was a children's movie when the frog survived after being eaten by the Kaonashi.

[Harry Lime]

It can have a simplistic layer for the children and a more complex layer below for the cinephiles and film critics.
Cinephiles that don't know the difference between Taiwan and Chinese cinema?

[Miss Vicky]

Americans format their dates as MM/DD/YY because that's the order it's generally said when a complete date is spoken in a sentence. Also because we like to be different. See also our refusal to convert to the metric system.

[TheUsualSuspect]

Yeah, metric system universal except for you guys and 2 other countries.....get with the program.

[Godoggo]

My point was only that just because it is a children's movie it doesn't need to be simplistic. It can have a simplistic layer for the children and a more complex layer below for the cinephiles and film critics. :) That occurs in Pixar's movies, for instance, such as UP and Wall-E.

O.k. but it read as a critism. I agree that children's movie need not be without complexity, but sometimes it's fine when they are. Same goes for grown up movies.


The only thing that separates children's movies from adult movies is that in children's movies everything that happened before can be reversed while in adult movies some things can't. For example, in Spirited Away it was possible to reverse everything that happened, hence it is a children's movie, while in Grave of the Fireflies, isn't, the second is an adult movie. I knew Spirited Away was a children's movie when the frog survived after being eaten by the Kaonashi.

Um...huh? I'm not following you. There are several movies geared towards children where things happen and they stay happened. The only difference between adult movies and movies for children is that the latter is geared towards children.

[The Rodent]

I kinda see Guap's point about being able to reverse things to keep in relatively non-threatening... but not all films can be labelled as "adult film" or "kids film" simply by what they have in one part of the story.
In The Lion King, did Simba's dad come back to life? Or did Bambi's Mother really not die?

Not all adult films are the same either. Ok, small example is E.T... not an adult film by any means and it does have the "kid friendly reversal" thing when E.T comes back... but it's still certainly not a kids film either.


To bookend films because they contain one particular plot point is a bit... hmmm.

[Masterman]

Yayyyy my first movie to make the list....Speed!. I had it at 15th. Great movie.

[Deadite]

Do we really need a debate about the differences between movies for kids and movies for adults? Kid movies typically employ dark themes more abstractly and inherently sugarcoat or flat-out ignore the details. We adults allow this because... reality is harsh and the whole point of such movies are to soften reality.

Am I wrong?

[Deadite]

Anyways, it's still more interesting than arguing about Taiwan. :D

[Deadite]

I haven't seem the Chinese one yet watched the other 3. Beauty and the Beast is considered better than Lion King by specialists in Disney movies but I haven't watched it for nearly two decades though so I can't compare with Lion King, which I have watched this year. It's a decent movie but nothing exceptional, characterization is very simplistic and the film is lacking in depth and ambiguity.

It's no Ghost In The Shell, that's for sure. :D

[mark f]

Guap seems ro live in a very black-and-white world cinematically.

[JayDee]

Woohoo!!! First film from my list with Speed there. I had it at number 9. Really surprised that it's not higher though. One of the all-time classic action flicks. Also surprised about the amount of people who haven't seen it.

It also gives me the first opportunity to pimp one of my reviews! :D

JayDee's Speed review (http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?p=889287)

[Skepsis93]

Even over Lion King? That's the obvious #1 for me, with Aladdin over Beauty and the Beast and the others.

Small brainfart there. Yes, Tarzan and The Lion King are close and way out ahead of the pack when it comes to 90s animation. They're both absolutely beautiful films. But I do prefer the former slightly.

[Thursday Next]

I like both Speed and Beauty and the Beast. I didn't vote for either, but I'm glad somebody did.

[Nausicaä]

None of my choices are up yet either. But a long way to go!

[Daniel M]

Surprised not to see Speed higher with the amount of love it gets round here, although happy to see it at least got on. Beauty and the Beast I haven't seen in a while, but I did used to like it :)

[Miss Vicky]

IIn The Lion King, did Simba's dad come back to life? Or did Bambi's Mother really not die?

Let's not forget Nemo's mom or Little Foot's mom or any of the other countless orphans in kids movies. Children's animation is full of orphans and characters with only one parent in the picture (Up - divorced parents with dad wanting nothing to do with the kid, Ratatouille - no mom ever shown or mentioned, Despicable Me - kids from an orphanage, Meet the Robinsons - another kid from an orphanage, All Dogs Go To Heaven - another orphan). And that's just off the top of my groggy mind. There are probably plenty more examples.

[teeter_g]

I liked Speed and Beauty and the Beast neither of them were on my list because there were several 90's movies that I liked better. There wasn't a single animated film on my list.

Now. Since those films were fairly boring in the range of no one having seen them, I say we get 2 more today!!!! :) Please.

[Gabrielle947]

http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/articles/arts/culturebox/2013/06/130628_criticsPixarRatings.jpg.CROP.original-original.jpg

http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/articles/arts/culturebox/2013/06/130628_kidsPixarRatings.jpg.CROP.original-original.jpg



good chart,thanks for sharing :up:
Actually I'm not surprised that kids don't love Pixar animation.I wouldn't,too. :D

[rauldc14]

I liked Speed and Beauty and the Beast neither of them were on my list because there were several 90's movies that I liked better. There wasn't a single animated film on my list.

Now. Since those films were fairly boring in the range of no one having seen them, I say we get 2 more today!!!! :) Please.

We will probably get 2 more tomorrow. Hold your horses.

[teeter_g]

We will probably get 2 more tomorrow. Hold your horses.

My horses don't care for being held. LOL! I can wait, I just don't like to.

[Deadite]

Hurry up and get to one of my picks. :D

[Guaporense]

None of my choices are up yet either. But a long way to go!

Me too, I predict that the movies I voted there will be near the top of the top 100.

[Guaporense]

I kinda see Guap's point about being able to reverse things to keep in relatively non-threatening... but not all films can be labelled as "adult film" or "kids film" simply by what they have in one part of the story. In The Lion King, did Simba's dad come back to life? Or did Bambi's Mother really not die?

In art there isn't any axiomatic system of classification but it makes sense to categorize films in this way. But that's Miyazaki's definition of a children's film and it works generally well. Though that definition Bambi and Lion King could be understood as simplistic adult movies.

Another way of categorizing would be by complexity: a complex film is an adult film while a simplistic film is a children's film. That way Lion King would be a children's film and Apocalypse Now would be an adult film. But using that system of classification we would have that Spirited Away is an adult film while many R rated films would be children's movies.

Not all adult films are the same either. Ok, small example is E.T... not an adult film by any means and it does have the "kid friendly reversal" thing when E.T comes back... but it's still certainly not a kids film either.

Yes it is considered a kids film.

[Guaporense]

Guap seems ro live in a very black-and-white world cinematically.

That is a worthless personal attack.

[rauldc14]

I'd be surprised to see one of my films soon, cause I think either they will make it fairly deep, or won't make it at all.

[Skepsis93]

That is a worthless personal attack.

Seems like a pretty accurate observation to me.

[honeykid]

That is a worthless personal attack.
You think that's a personal attack? :eek:

You're right about E.T. though, it's a kids film.

[Masterman]

After this list is finished I might start doing the 2020-2030 list. :)

[Yoda]

That is a worthless personal attack.
I think it's accurate, and not especially personal, anyway. You often express your opinions as if they were matters of fact. Here's a great example from The Most Popular Movie of All-Time? (http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?t=31366) thread:

The correct way of measuring the popularity of a movie is based on the proportion of the total admissions it takes on it's release year.
This is, of course, not the "correct" way. I don't even think it's a particularly good way, and it's definitely not an established fact.

I've noticed similar things with the overuse of words like "prove" when you've merely presented an argument, and not actual proof. Things like that. The words chosen often express far more certainty than is warranted.

[Deadite]

I didn't take what Mark wrote as a personal attack. It starts to feel like a personal attack when the follow-up highlights and criticizes Guapo's style, though.

So he likes statistics... we know what Twain said about those. Not my thing, tbh; I don't care much for the numbers side of things. Still, Guapo's posts are interesting and I've never felt he was really trying to force his opinion, only that he tries to substantiate it.

It's better reading than only having a bunch of drive-by posts asserting their feelings. People will phrase their positions in ways that can be interpreted as "certain". Is it really so offensive?

[Yoda]

Well, there's no interpretation involved when someone says "The correct way is X" about something that's largely subjective. Anyway, if it's getting followed-up on a lot, I think it's because it's happened a lot.

But sure, I agree that an attempt to be substantive is better, and it's way better than drive-bys. But then, posts that aren't either of those things would be better still. :)

[Deadite]

Well, obviously you're not reading his posts correctly. :drevil:

[Yoda]

A distinct possibility!

[Deadite]

Harry Lime, you may post two more movies now. We are done talking about Taiwan, the proper way to differentiate kid stuff from adult stuff, and Guapo's certitude.

In the meantime, I demand that all of you who haven't seen Speed do so posthaste. I'm almost positive it's a good action movie.

[linespalsy]

You guys, mark isn't even guilty of that malodorous attack. It was Scooby Doo, who clearly stole his password. Here's my proof:

Guap seems ro live in a very black-and-white world cinematically.

Still not convinced?

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Jinkies!

[Sexy Celebrity]

This countdown sucks. Not only do the movies suck, and none of my movies have made the list so far, and many probably won't -- including films I put high on my list strategically -- but the other random conversations going on in this thread are boring as well.

[Miss Vicky]

Chill, Sexy. We're only 4 movies in.

[Deadite]

What was on your list, Mr. Celebrity?