The MoFo Top 100 of the Nineties Countdown

[Camo]

It is worth a watch. Joe the Horror Fanatic saw it on our recommendation and loved it.

I've still got alot of movie suggestions to watch from you like Red Dawn and Dr Strangelove before i get around to Man Bites Dog though ;)

[Harry Lime]

Red Dawn and Dr Strangelove
Watch them together, at the same time, on two screens. Damn Russians!

[The Gunslinger45]

I've still got alot of movie suggestions to watch from you like Red Dawn and Dr Strangelove before i get around to Man Bites Dog though ;)

True. I say say they take top priority!

[The Gunslinger45]

I've still got alot of movie suggestions to watch from you like Red Dawn and Dr Strangelove before i get around to Man Bites Dog though ;)

Watch them together, at the same time, on two screens. Damn Russians!


BRILLIANT! Simply brilliant!

[honeykid]

I was hoping that Man Bites Dog might make the cut but, tbh, I'd given up as I couldn't see it getting this many points. It's amazing to see it here and so high. This was my #3 film and, had GS seen it earlier, (this is why everyone should check out my 100 ;)) it might've even got another 15-20 points and be... Well, obviously I don't know, but a good few places higher, anyway.

This is list so much better than the millennium list, but that shouldn't be a surprise.

[jiraffejustin]

If I would have seen Naked sooner, I would have voted for it. Who voted for Naked, so I know who to high-five?

And I think Man Bites Dog is good, but it would be in the 70-100 range if I listed out my top 100 probably.

[The Gunslinger45]

I was hoping that Man Bites Dog might make the cut but, tbh, I'd given up as I couldn't see it getting this many points. It's amazing to see it here and so high. This was my #3 film and, had GS seen it earlier, (this is why everyone should check out my 100 ;)) it might've even got another 15-20 points and be... Well, obviously I don't know, but a good few places higher, anyway.

This is list so much better than the millennium list, but that shouldn't be a surprise.

Yeah I would have had it around number 5 or so, so 20 points extra.

[donniedarko]

Woah both from my list! Me and Honeykid recently talked about if Man Bites Dog would make it, very pleasant surprise to see it on the list, this high. Naked is a great film filled with dialogue.

Man Bites Dog= #11
Naked= #7

Also Man Bites Dog has some great cartoon like kills, so if you like that, watch it

[mark f]

I didn't vote for either, but David Thewlis in Naked plays a gigantic scumbag who's so interesting and well-read that I'd spend an evening drinking with him. My wife Brenda wouldn't want to be anywhere near him though. :cool:

[cricket]

Surprised to see those two pop up at this point. I haven't seen either but have been meaning to. I look forward to seeing both of them even more now.

[Frank The Tank]

Voted for both, Naked was at #1 in my list, my favorite movie of the nineties. Oddly enough my #2 was another Naked that was also on this list, Naked Lunch.

[wintertriangles]

On my list, because everyone cares, Naked was at 12 and Man Bites Dog was at 8

[Thursday Next]

Well, there's a pair of really delightful, heartwarming films there...

[Deadite]

Damn skippy. Only heartwarming films allowed.

[Daniel M]

Haven't seen Naked but Man Bites Dog is awesome and made my list, was beginning to think it wasn't going to make it. I only watched it recently but is was so great and like nothing else that's going to show on this list + I wanted to help HK out :p


http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/images/manbitesdog3.jpg

Man Bits Dog (Rémy Belvaux, André Bonzel, Benoît Poelvoorde, 1992) http://www.movieforums.com/images/popcorn/4box.gif+


Heavily recommended by Honeykid, I managed to watch this film just before I sent my list in and I am delighted that I did. Some might find its sick and twisted protagonist and his actions disturbing and difficult to watch, but I found it to be a hilarious dark comedy, highly original and entertaining with lots of great scenes. I have never seen anything like it, its crazy and some scenes do challenge your enjoyment as a viewer, but it would not be the same film without them.

[rauldc14]

Well, here's the last 38 spots, my prediction at least (no particular order)
1. Goodfellas
2. Dances with Wolves
3. Silence of the Lambs
4. Terminator 2
5. Unforgiven
6. Schindler's List
7. Pulp Fiction
8. Forrest Gump
9. Shawshank Redemption
10. Braveheart
11. Se7en
12. Casino
13. Miller's Crossing
14. The Big Lebowski
15. Toy Story
16. American Beauty
17. The Matrix
18. Fight Club
19. American History X
20. Titanic
21. Good Will Hunting
22. Saving Private Ryan
23. Fargo
24. Princess Mononoke
25. Satantango
26. Independence Day
27. Heat
28. Reservoir Dogs
29. Trainspotting
30. Boogie Nights
31. Jurassic Park
32. L.A. Confidential
33. The Thin Red Line
34. Being John Malkovich
35. The Last of the Mohicans
36. The Usual Suspects
37. Natural Born Killers
38. Magnolia

[Nausicaä]

Naked was a choice that was on my voting list and happy to see it so high up on the list. :)

[Mr Minio]

I doubt Satantango will be so high and therefore since it still didn't show up it most likely won't.

[jal90]

I think I haven't done this yet:

100. Con Air
99. The Hole
98. Speed
97. Beauty and the Beast - 4.5
96. Edward Scissorhands - 5 #15
95. Show Me Love
94. The Sixth Sense - 5 #17
93. Short Cuts
92. Sling Blade
91. Heavenly Creatures
90. Dark City
89. Scream
88. The Sweet Hereafter
87. Rushmore
86. The Fifth Element
85. Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels - 4
84. The Player
83. Point Break
82. Batman Returns
81. Farewell My Concubine - 3
80. Close-Up
79. Naked Lunch
78. Fallen Angels
77. JFK
76. A Brighter Summer Day
75. Happiness - 4.5
74. Starship Troopers - 4
73. Life Is Beautiful
72. Donnie Brasco
71. All About My Mother
70. Before Sunrise - 4
69. La Haine - 4
68. Army of Darkness
67. The Nightmare Before Christmas - 4.5
66. Trois couleurs: Bleu
65. Whisper of the Heart - 5 #7
64. The Boondock Saints
63. Funny Games - 5 #16
62. As Good as It Gets
61. Twelve Monkeys
60. Babe -5 #11
59. Dumb and Dumber - 4.5
58. The Double Life of Veronique
57. The Lion King -3.5
56. Underground -5 #12
55. Hoop Dreams
54. Trois couleurs: Rouge
53. Toy Story 2 - 3.5
52. Breaking the Waves
51. Hana-bi - 4
50. Total Recall
49. Ed Wood - 5 #3
48. Dazed and Confused
47. True Romance - 4.5
46. Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas - 4
45. Clerks - 4.5
44. Jackie Brown
43. Sonatine
42. The Straight Story - 4.5
41. Barton Fink
40. Man Bites Dog
39. Naked

[Sexy Celebrity]

Well, here's the last 38 spots, my prediction at least (no particular order)
1. Goodfellas
2. Dances with Wolves
3. Silence of the Lambs
4. Terminator 2
5. Unforgiven
6. Schindler's List
7. Pulp Fiction
8. Forrest Gump
9. Shawshank Redemption
10. Braveheart
11. Se7en
12. Casino
13. Miller's Crossing
14. The Big Lebowski
15. Toy Story
16. American Beauty
17. The Matrix
18. Fight Club
19. American History X
20. Titanic
21. Good Will Hunting
22. Saving Private Ryan
23. Fargo
24. Princess Mononoke
25. Satantango
26. Independence Day
27. Heat
28. Reservoir Dogs
29. Trainspotting
30. Boogie Nights
31. Jurassic Park
32. L.A. Confidential
33. The Thin Red Line
34. Being John Malkovich
35. The Last of the Mohicans
36. The Usual Suspects
37. Natural Born Killers
38. Magnolia

That's wrong.

[Cobpyth]

Well, here's the last 38 spots, my prediction at least (no particular order)
1. Goodfellas
2. Dances with Wolves
3. Silence of the Lambs
4. Terminator 2
5. Unforgiven
6. Schindler's List
7. Pulp Fiction
8. Forrest Gump
9. Shawshank Redemption
10. Braveheart
11. Se7en
12. Casino
13. Miller's Crossing
14. The Big Lebowski
15. Toy Story
16. American Beauty
17. The Matrix
18. Fight Club
19. American History X
20. Titanic
21. Good Will Hunting
22. Saving Private Ryan
23. Fargo
24. Princess Mononoke
25. Satantango
26. Independence Day
27. Heat
28. Reservoir Dogs
29. Trainspotting
30. Boogie Nights
31. Jurassic Park
32. L.A. Confidential
33. The Thin Red Line
34. Being John Malkovich
35. The Last of the Mohicans
36. The Usual Suspects
37. Natural Born Killers
38. Magnolia

Independence Day?

I don't think all of these will appear. It's not because a film has a good score on IMDb that it is necessarily liked on this forum.

[rauldc14]

Independence Day?

I don't think all of these will appear. It's not because a film has a good score on IMDb that it is necessarily liked on this forum.

Most will appear. I think Independence Day will still appear, though if it doesn't in about the next 6, then perhaps not.

Not sure what I missed, but I think it's safe to say that it's a pretty decent guess at the remainder.

[Cobpyth]

Most will appear. I think Independence Day will still appear, though if it doesn't in about the next 6, then perhaps not.

What makes you think that? It's pretty bad.

[Miss Vicky]

I seriously doubt that ID4 will make it. And I see a few films from my own personal list that aren't on your prediction that I feel are quite likely to make it. Or, at least, a great deal more likely to make it than Independence Day.

[Daniel M]

edit: ignore me.

[Miss Vicky]

No way Pulp Fiction will not be in the top 5, I'd be very shocked if it's not number 1, but not top 5?

He said they weren't in order.

[Cobpyth]

No way Pulp Fiction will not be in the top 5, I'd be very shocked if it's not number 1, but not top 5?

He said it wasn't in order. ;)

EDIT: Miss Vicky was faster...

[Daniel M]

Oh my bad, yeh that probably makes sense then, I'd say at least 90% of those films will make it, I can't think of any films he has missed off the top of my head.

[Sexy Celebrity]

Independence Day's on my '90s list if you're wanting to see it. I think it's #20-something.

[mark f]

Well, he missed half my list!

[Daniel M]

I think Léon will make it, that's not on the list, watched it recently and whilst I don't love it as much as everyone else, it's a good film.

[Miss Vicky]

He missed 11 of mine, granted I don't expect all of them to make it, but there's a handful or so that I do expect.

[Harry Lime]

Do you guys want me to tell you which ones raul got wrong?

[weeman]

If Independence Day (1.5) manages to find its way on this list higher than several better films (True Romance for example) I will be incredibly surprised.

[Cobpyth]

Satantango and Independence Day will not make it. I don't know why he included those two.

Then we have some other films that aren't that popular (from my observations) on this forum, like Dances With Wolves for example.

I'm not sure.

Probably 80% (or even more) of that list will make it, though. I'm still expecting a few more surprises. I don't think the list will be so extremely conversative as Raul predicts it will be.

[Harry Lime]

Independence Day is better than that. It's dumb but it's fun too. The difference between it and some other movies of a similar genre or purpose is that it knows what it is and runs with it.

[Cobpyth]

I think Léon will make it, that's not on the list, watched it recently and whilst I don't love it as much as everyone else, it's a good film.

Good call. That one will certainly make it.

[Miss Vicky]

Do you guys want me to tell you which ones raul got wrong?

Not yet.

[Cobpyth]

He also missed Eyes Wide Shut, which will CERTAINLY make it.

[mark f]

Leon is good and will make it since Besson is overloved around here. It's not as good though as the uncool Dances With Wolves or Independence Day. :)

[Miss Vicky]

Dances With Wolves

Cool or not, it was on my list.

[Skepsis93]

I agree that Leon and Eyes Wide Shut should make the cut. Raul's list also didn't include The Truman Show or Groundhog Day, both of which I think will appear.

[Miss Vicky]

Also, while Dances With Wolves may be considered "uncool," a certain other Costner-starring film isn't: A Perfect World.

I don't know how popular or respected it is amongst the 50+ voters in this list, but it seems to get a lot of respect in general on these boards.

[Skepsis93]

Do you guys want me to tell you which ones raul got wrong?

Tell us how many he got right.

[Cobpyth]

I should've put Bullets Over Broadway at #1. Maybe it would have had a chance then.
It's a shame Woody Allen won't even have 1 film in this list. :(

I will not let that happen in the '80s list.

[Skepsis93]

I should've put Bullets Over Broadway at #1. Maybe it would have had a chance then.
It's a shame Woody Allen won't even have 1 film in this list. :(

I will not let that happen in the '80s list.

I'm with you, though the 90s weren't particularly strong for Woody compared to the 70s and 80s.

[mark f]

I had two Woody movies on my list but I didn't expect them to make it. They're too literate and witty. :)

[gandalf26]

Well, here's the last 38 spots, my prediction at least (no particular order)
1. Goodfellas
2. Dances with Wolves
3. Silence of the Lambs
4. Terminator 2
5. Unforgiven
6. Schindler's List
7. Pulp Fiction
8. Forrest Gump
9. Shawshank Redemption
10. Braveheart
11. Se7en
12. Casino
13. Miller's Crossing
14. The Big Lebowski
15. Toy Story
16. American Beauty
17. The Matrix
18. Fight Club
19. American History X
20. Titanic
21. Good Will Hunting
22. Saving Private Ryan
23. Fargo
24. Princess Mononoke
25. Satantango
26. Independence Day
27. Heat
28. Reservoir Dogs
29. Trainspotting
30. Boogie Nights
31. Jurassic Park
32. L.A. Confidential
33. The Thin Red Line
34. Being John Malkovich
35. The Last of the Mohicans
36. The Usual Suspects
37. Natural Born Killers
38. Magnolia

I'll be upset if "The Insider" doesn't make it. Also "Leon" (the professional) is fairly certain imo.

The bolded aren't so certain imo.

[Skepsis93]

To be fair, I'm only going off consensus opinion as far as Woody's 90s films. I've only seen Manhattan Murder Mystery so far.

Maybe I'll check out Sweet and Lowdown tonight since I have it ready to go.

[Cobpyth]

I'm with you, though the 90s weren't particularly strong for Woody compared to the 70s and 80s.

Well, he stayed at a very high level throughout that decade, in my opinion.
The '80s were outstanding for Woody Allen and he made some of his most acclaimed work in the '70s, but in terms of making consistently good films, Woody's '90s are also extremely admirable.
The previous decade (the 2000s) was his weakest yet, although he still made a couple of good features.
He made his first BRILLIANT film (for me) in a long time with Midnight in Paris and it seems that Blue Jasmine is also pretty good. My parents thought the latter was really depressing, though, but I like dark Allen. I hope he keeps making films for another 10 years (or even more if possible), because I have a feeling that he still has a lot of good stuff inside him. His next feature also looks promising in terms of cast, concept and environment.

[cricket]

I'm thinking Last of the Mohicans won't make it. Awesome movie though.

[honeykid]

I doubt Satantango will be so high and therefore since it still didn't show up it most likely won't.
Not a chance in hell and it never did. Sorry.

Do you guys want me to tell you which ones raul got wrong?
No. It's bad enough we've got lists trying to.

Also, while Dances With Wolves may be considered "uncool," a certain other Costner-starring film isn't: A Perfect World.

I don't know how popular or respected it is amongst the 50+ voters in this list, but it seems to get a lot of respect in general on these boards.
Another I can't see making the list. Certainly not at this stage. However, I'd said the same about Man Bites Dog, so what do I know. :D

I'll be upset if "The Insider" doesn't make it.
Get ready to be upset.

[mark f]

Sprinkling good cheer wherever he goes... :)

[Harry Lime]

Not a chance in hell and it never did. Sorry.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEbwZfkeIt8

[Harry Lime]

http://imageshack.us/a/img809/9944/3vh5.jpg

38. The Truman Show
(Peter Weir, 1998)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120382/

113 POINTS

[Harry Lime]

http://imageshack.us/a/img543/9352/2upq.jpg

37. Miller's Crossing
(The Coens, 1990)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0100150/

113 POINTS

[Harry Lime]

100. Con Air
99. The Hole
98. Speed
97. Beauty and the Beast
96. Edward Scissorhands
95. Show Me Love
94. The Sixth Sense
93. Short Cuts
92. Sling Blade
91. Heavenly Creatures
90. Dark City
89. Scream
88. The Sweet Hereafter
87. Rushmore
86. The Fifth Element
85. Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels
84. The Player
83. Point Break
82. Batman Returns
81. Farewell My Concubine
80. Close-Up
79. Naked Lunch
78. Fallen Angels
77. JFK
76. A Brighter Summer Day
75. Happiness
74. Starship Troopers
73. Life Is Beautiful
72. Donnie Brasco
71. All About My Mother
70. Before Sunrise
69. La Haine
68. Army of Darkness
67. The Nightmare Before Christmas
66. Trois couleurs: Bleu
65. Whisper of the Heart
64. The Boondock Saints
63. Funny Games
62. As Good as It Gets
61. Twelve Monkeys
60. Babe
59. Dumb and Dumber
58. The Double Life of Veronique
57. The Lion King
56. Underground
55. Hoop Dreams
54. Trois couleurs: Rouge
53. Toy Story 2
52. Breaking the Waves
51. Hana-bi
50. Total Recall
49. Ed Wood
48. Dazed and Confused
47. True Romance
46. Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
45. Clerks
44. Jackie Brown
43. Sonatine
42. The Straight Story
41. Barton Fink
40. Man Bites Dog
39. Naked
38. The Truman Show
37. Miller's Crossing

[Sexy Celebrity]

Yay and Yawn.

[Miss Vicky]

It's been a rather long time since I last watched The Truman Show, but I do remember liking it.

I've not seen Miller's Crossing.

[Harry Lime]

And there goes raul's list. Nice try, though.

[honeykid]

Sprinkling good cheer wherever he goes... :)
What can I say? It's a gift. :D

Had Miller's Crossing at #21 on my list. The 90's had some fantastic gangster films and I'd guess that many would have this in their top five. Apart from The Big Lebowski, this is my favourite Coen's film.

Hated The Truman Show. As I've said a number of times, one of the biggest cinematic disappointments of my life. I also saw There's Something About Mary the same week. That was a very disappointing week. :(

[The Gunslinger45]

Two damn good movies. Neither from my list though

[cricket]

I tried watching The Truman Show once but couldn't get into it.

I haven't seen Miller's Crossing but really want to.

[donniedarko]

Another from my list! Miller's Crossing was at #8 on my list. it's a beautiful movie, with great addition to detail, and an amazing cast. My second favorite Coen film, my first made my millennium list. I have The Truman Show in my Netflix, I'll stream it sooner or later

[Cobpyth]

100. Con Air - Not seen
99. Dong aka The Hole - Not seen
98. Speed - 3
97. Beauty and the Beast - 3.5
96. Edward Scissorhands - 4
95. F#cking Amal aka Show Me Love - Not Seen
94. The Sixth Sense - 4
93. Short Cuts - 4.5 (MY LIST)
92. Sling Blade - Not Seen
91. Heavenly Creatures - Not Seen
90. Dark City - Not Seen
89. Scream - 3.5
88. The Sweet Hereafter - Not Seen
87. Rushmore - 3.5
86. The Fifth Element - 3.5+
85. Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels - Not Seen
84. The Player - 5 (MY LIST)
83. Point Break - Not Seen
82. Batman Returns - 3
81. Farewell My Concubine - 4
80. Nema-ye Nazdik aka Close-Up - Not Seen
79. Naked Lunch - Not Seen
78. Duo luo tian shi aka Fallen Angels - Not Seen
77. JFK - Not Seen
76. A Brighter Summer Day - Not Seen
75. Happiness - 3.5
74. Starship Troopers - Not Seen
73. Life Is Beautiful - Not Seen
72. Donnie Brasco - Not Seen
71. All About My Mother - 3.5(+)
70. Before Sunrise - 3.5(+)
69. La Haine - Not Seen
68. Army of Darkness - Not Seen
67. The Nightmare Before Christmas - 3.5(+)
66. Trois couleurs: Bleu - Not Seen
65. Whisper of the Heart - Not Seen – 3.5(+)
64. The Boondock Saints - Not Seen
63. Funny Games - Not Seen
62. As Good as It Gets - 3.5(-)
61. Twelve Monkeys - 4+ (MY LIST)
60. Babe - Not Seen
59. Dumb and Dumber - Not Seen
58. The Double Life of Veronique - Not Seen
57. The Lion King - 4+
56. Underground - Not Seen
55. Hoop Dreams - Not Seen
54. Trois couleurs: Rouge - Not Seen
53. Toy Story 2 - 4
52. Breaking the Waves - Not Seen
51. Hana-Bi - Not Seen
50. Total Recall - Not Seen
49. Ed Wood - 5 (MY LIST)
48. Dazed and Confused - 3.5(-)
47. True Romance - 3.5
46. Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas - 3.5
45. Clerks - Not Seen
44. Jackie Brown - 4
43. Sonatine - Not Seen
42. The Straight Story - Not Seen
41. Barton Fink - 4.5 (MY LIST)
40. Man Bites Dog - Not Seen
39. Naked - Not Seen
38. The Truman Show - 3.5(+)
37. Miller's Crossing - 4.5(-) (MY LIST)

The Truman Show has a VERY strong concept. The comedy is great and the drama works for the most part. There is A LOT of potential in this film and partly I think it delivers, but it didn't completely fulfill my needs somehow. I wasn't fully satisfied with the end result, although it was still a very interesting film to watch.
It very much deserves to be on this list because it's so well crafted and because the main idea of this film is so fantastic.

Miller's Crossing is a typically coenesque film that happens to be about gangsters. It has a more serious tone to it than most of the brothers' other films, while still capturing that typically ironic feeling.
Next to the original and interesting script, it also contains beautiful cinematography and some great acting performances.
It made my list, although it was near the bottom, and I'm very happy it made the final cut.

[Skepsis93]

Raul's list also didn't include The Truman Show

Sorta called it!

#7 on my list. Love that movie and everything about it.

I started Miller's Crossing a while back but I just wasn't in the mood going by the 10 or so minutes I saw before shutting it off. Not a slight on what I saw, I'll get back to it at some point I'm sure.

[rauldc14]

And there goes raul's list. Nice try, though.

I missed Truman Show and Leon for some odd reason. I knew they'd both make it.

[rauldc14]

Well, here's the last 38 spots, my prediction at least (no particular order)
1. Goodfellas
2. Dances with Wolves
3. Silence of the Lambs
4. Terminator 2
5. Unforgiven
6. Schindler's List
7. Pulp Fiction
8. Forrest Gump
9. Shawshank Redemption
10. Braveheart
11. Se7en
12. Casino
13. Miller's Crossing
14. The Big Lebowski
15. Toy Story
16. American Beauty
17. The Matrix
18. Fight Club
19. American History X
20. Titanic
21. Good Will Hunting
22. Saving Private Ryan
23. Fargo
24. Princess Mononoke
25. Satantango
26. Independence Day
27. Heat
28. Reservoir Dogs
29. Trainspotting
30. Boogie Nights
31. Jurassic Park
32. L.A. Confidential
33. The Thin Red Line
34. Being John Malkovich
35. The Last of the Mohicans
36. The Usual Suspects
37. Natural Born Killers
38. Magnolia


So now add in Truman Show and Leon. Get rid of Being John Malkovich and Satantango.

[Cobpyth]

So now add in Truman Show and Leon. Get rid of Being John Malkovich and Satantango.

You ditched the wrong film with Being John Malkovich.
What about Eyes Wide Shut?

[The Rodent]

Both excellent film. Makes a change after the last two.

Love The Truman Show as well. Great film.

[Miss Vicky]

Get rid of Being John Malkovich

Are you crazy?

[honeykid]

There is A LOT of potential in this film and partly I think it delivers, but it didn't completely fulfill my needs somehow. I wasn't fully satisfied with the end result, although it was still a very interesting film to watch.
This was my big gripe and the reason it was so disappointing. At the very moment it's about to get interesting, it ends.

[Sexy Celebrity]

This list only has 36 more movies left? I feel like this damn list hasn't even come alive yet.

[Daniel M]

Miller's Crossing is way too low, one of the very best films of the 90s. I give it 5. This is what I said when I first watched it although I've said much more in various posts on the forum.

Miller's Crossing (Joel Coen, Ethan Coen, 1990) http://www.movieforums.com/images/popcorn/5box.gif

How I love the Coen Brothers. I've had this film on Blu-Ray for a while now and finally got round to watching it, beautiful in so many ways. The visuals are great and so are the performances with the different characters each with their individual motives, Gabriel Byrne is superb and so is his (kind of) opposite John Turturro. Byrne's character is developed incredibly well and you never know what's driving his character until the very end. The screenplay is delightful and filled with tons of great dialogue and genius lines, the scene near the beginning of the film with the character Mink is genius in the fact that it seems so insignificant but the words exchanged between the two characters turn out to be key to the entire film.

[weeman]

Miller's Crossing is fantastic, and I completely agree with what has been said about The Truman Show. An incredibly strong concept executed averagely, but with just enough juice to make in interesting. Its a fascinating film, but maybe more to think about than to watch.

[Frightened Inmate No. 2]

The Truman Show was 14 on my list, although it would be 21st if I made it today.

[BlueLion]

The Coens have made at least five better films than Miller's Crossing, in my opinion, but it's good nonetheless.

As for The Truman Show, I've always felt that it is overrated. Not bad though.

[Godoggo]

I think the gripes about The Truman Show are legitimate, but still I liked it. Not a big fan of Miller's Crossing.

I'd be fine with Independance Day making the list. It's a big silly piece of fun. I kinda like it.

[Sexy Celebrity]

I loved The Truman Show when it came out. Haven't thought much about it in a long time. Nice to see it on the list, but there's A LOT better out there in the '90s that hasn't been represented and should have been.

[Deadite]

Truman Show is pretty good. My problem with it is that it seemed too contrived in its ultimate message about "everyman" Truman wanting an authentic life of risk as opposed to a comfortable artificial existence. Yeah, we get it, he's good-hearted and curious and no one should be playing God with another person's life.

That aside, it was entertaining, with plenty of humor and pathos. I was under the impression that it was generally somewhat underrated.

[Deadite]

I loved The Truman Show when it came out. Haven't thought much about it in a long time. Nice to see it on the list, but there's A LOT better out there in the '90s that hasn't been represented and should have been.

Like what, Ski Patrol?

[Sexy Celebrity]

Like what, Ski Patrol?

Well, maybe not that one, but, some others....

[Deadite]

No doubt. Wanna name names, Buttercup, or are you pleading the 5th?

[Sexy Celebrity]

Not pleading the 5th. I just can't decide.

I mean, is Truman Show really more important than say... Lion King? Or Beauty and the Beast, even?

Even some of these foreign films I've never seen -- dare I say -- might even deserve higher status than something like Truman Show.

I loved Truman Show when I saw it, but I was 14/15 years old. And while I liked it a lot... it hasn't stuck with me. And to me, that's an important sign of being great.

I dunno, I just think -- while I'm glad it made the list, Truman Show... even I think that it's just strangely high.

[Sexy Celebrity]

It's certainly not better than Jackie Brown.

[Sexy Celebrity]

Jackie Brown -- that's something I should do a commentary for.

[Deadite]

The "importance" or how memorable a movie is will vary from person to person. Especially basing an era's list on subjective association.

[Sexy Celebrity]

Well, this list is a joke, anyway, so it doesn't matter. The way this is going, I won't be surprised if I have to use the gong video again for the #1 movie.

[Deadite]

Surely there are some unseen movies on this list you would be willing to watch? You might even discover a new favorite. Try to keep an open mind.

[Sexy Celebrity]

I do have an open mind. Unfortunately, I also have an open mouth.

[Deadite]

:scream:

[Harry Lime]

it seemed too contrived in its ultimate message
That was the point. Form imitating/complimenting subject.

[Deadite]

Okey dokey. While you're here, post two more movies. :)

[TheUsualSuspect]

The Truman Show MY PICK

Truman Show was from my list and I think it is just as important today as it was back then. Look at the crap known as "reality tv" that is plastered on our screens all the time. There are more reality television shows than scripted ones now and it is a sad truth. The Truman Show is a concept that (along with ED TV) basically predicted what the future of television was and it has come true. People these days PAY to watch people live in a house for 24/7 and that show, Big Brother is on season 15!!!

The film is expertly crafted by Peter Weir, when the "fakeness" of the world around Truman starts to show, we see some brilliantly designed work in which the inhabitants of this world try their best to get in Truman's way "accidentally", steer him clear of things they don't want him to see and make it all seem natural. Jim Carrey might seem like an unlikely choice for this role, but this film shows the seeds of what he can do outside of talking out of his ass. He does a marvellous job.

The man has been living a lie for 30 years of his life, under constant supervision, so when he goes missing, the ordinary world stops and goes into production mode to find him. We are with Truman for the first half of the film, until the man behind the curtain is revealed to us. Then we get to see the outside world, the people watching the show, the production elements. We were in the dark with Truman, but once he begins to question his reality, that's when we are given more insight into his world.

When Truman hits the wall at the end of his journey (literally) I always have the same thought running through my head...and that is how would I react in this situation? Truman violently bangs on the walls that confine him, he has always wanted to leave this place since he was a kid. He openly says in a classroom he wants to be an explorer, before a "teacher" puts him back in his place by saying most of the world has already been discovered. So of course I cheer when he finds the exit and decides to leave.

The film is a light hearted comedy with some drama sprinkled in. There are some serious themes underlining the film, ranging from media interference and coincidentally, free will. We see that outside Truman's walls there are groups of people that want him to be free from his captors. He lives under a dictatorship without even knowing it.

The Truman Show is one of my favourite films of all time and it deserves to be on this list. I would encourage people to watch it again and admire the sense of control Weir has on the story, the background action, the performances, and what the film is trying to say.

4.5




I also had True Romance which I think is Tony Scott's best film with an amazing star studded cast that delivers on all levels. The Arquette and Gandolfini scene in this film is chilling.

It's just a good film, I don't know how else to describe it. Everything about it is firing on all cylinders: acting, writing, directing. I can even tolerate Slater!!!!

4.5

[Sexy Celebrity]

There are some serious themes underlining the film, ranging from media interference and coincidentally, free will.

Yes, I was just thinking about that -- free will. This must be destiny. I shall have to watch Truman Show again. Well, I don't believe in free will anymore, thanks to Sam Harris, so if I watch The Truman Show again soon, it won't be my choice. But -- this story about The Truman Show, how at 30 years old, Truman realizes his world isn't what he thought it was. That makes me think of my own life right now since I've realized that people do not have free will. I'm Truman now.

[Camo]

The Truman Show is a great film, by far the best performance by him as well as the best film he's been in imo. Not seen Miller's Crossing. I don't have a solid opinion on the Coens, i love plenty of their films but then i see the praise of No Country For Old Men :sick::D

[Deadite]

Um, Eternal Sunshine.

[Thursday Next]

I'm surprised to see The Truman Show so high.

Miller's Crossing is a good film, just missed the cut for my list.

[Camo]

Um, Eternal Sunshine.

Not a fan, but Carrey is the best thing about it imo :)

[Deadite]

Nah, Kaufman and Gondry. :)

[Daniel M]

Can we stop arguing about the position of Truman Show and start arguing about how Miller's Crossing should of been in the top 5 :cool:

[Deadite]

I can think of 5 better movies.

[Deadite]

And 2 of those are also Coen brothers movies.

[Hit Girl]

And 2 of those are also Coen brothers movies.


http://epikfails.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/big-lebowski-cool-story-bro1.jpg?w=300&h=264

[honeykid]

Can we stop arguing about the position of Truman Show and start arguing about how Miller's Crossing should of been in the top 5 :cool:
I don't know about top 5, but top 20 certainly.

And 2 of those are also Coen brothers movies.
No there aren't. There's one and I'm not convinced it's better, either, just one I prefer.

[JayDee]

Well there's my #1 pick with The Truman Show. Pleased it's made it obviously but pretty much knew it would, just disappointed it couldn't crack the top 25. There's just always been something about it I've absolutely loved.

My gushing 5 review of it - Truman Show review (http://www.movieforums.com/community/showthread.php?p=913603)


Oh and if Independence Day doesn't show up, and I'm doubting it will now, then as Sexy has been telling us all along this really isn't a true representation of the 90s

[wintertriangles]

Oh and if Independence Day doesn't show up, and I'm doubting it will now, then as Sexy has been telling us all along this really isn't a true representation of the 90sI'm glad I don't live in your crazy pants view of 90s cinema then

[Miss Vicky]

I'd rather see Showgirls make the list at this point than Independence Day.

[rauldc14]

Since Eyes Wide Shut has so much acclaim here, substitute that in. Probably over Trainspotting.

[rauldc14]

Bold Prediction: Independence Day in the NEXT pairing.

[rauldc14]

I know a few people that have voted for it, including myself. Even if a person like Jaydee voted for it then it's certain to make it.:cool:

[Miss Vicky]

Since Eyes Wide Shut has so much acclaim here, substitute that in. Probably over Trainspotting.

But Being John Malkovich doesn't?

Also, the last pair had 113 points each. I just don't see ID4 getting that many or more points.

[jiraffejustin]

I prefer Men in Black to Independence Day, but I reckon that doesn't have a chance does it?

[Deadite]

Since Eyes Wide Shut has so much acclaim here, substitute that in. Probably over Trainspotting.

No.

[Deadite]

No there aren't. There's one and I'm not convinced it's better, either, just one I prefer.

Fargo is clearly superior to Miller's Crossing IMHO. It better balances dark humor and crime thriller, the performances have richer nuance, and there's subtle humanism to the characters that also makes it more tragic.

Miller's Crossing is cartoonish in comparison to Fargo's emotional and thematic complexity.

[rauldc14]

Idk. Maybe a film like Titanic or Dances with Wolves won't make it. Haven't seen either, but seems weird to leave them off a 90s list. The more and more I think about it, the more I think Natural Born Killers or Casino could be left off as well. My list will be close and I expect Leon and Eyes Wide Shut to make it easily.

Can't wait to see Independence Day invade this list!

[BlueLion]

Fargo is clearly superior to Miller's Crossing IMHO. It better balances dark humor and crime thriller, the performances have richer nuance, and there's subtle humanism to the characters that also makes it more tragic.

Miller's Crossing is cartoonish in comparison to Fargo's emotional and thematic complexity.

I agree.

The Big Lebowski and Barton Fink are also better, imo.

[Cobpyth]

Fargo and Barton Fink are better than Miller's Crossing, in my opinion.

Now that I think about it, The Coens were freaking ON FIRE during the '90s. All their films of that decade were simply amazing (Yes, I'm also a big fan of The Hudsucker Proxy). Oh well, they actually never really made a bad film in their whole career, but their '90s filmography is especially impressive.

[Miss Vicky]

Titanic or Dances with Wolves... Haven't seen either

Really?

Wow. I don't know why, but I keep getting shocked at some of the movies our younger members haven't seen. I guess I'm in denial about the fact that Dances is 23 years old and Titanic is 16 years old.

[weeman]

Really?

Wow. I don't know why, but I keep getting shocked at some of the movies our younger members haven't seen. I guess I'm in denial about the fact that Dances is 23 years old and Titanic is 16 years old.

I think most people I know will have seen Titanic at some point, but again, I've only seen bits and pieces of Dances With Wolves. From what I saw though, it didn't look too bad.

[Daniel M]

Jackie Brown -- that's something I should do a commentary for.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yERv9KiXu0k

[Sexy Celebrity]

I'm not sure if I like that or not. I think I do.

[wintertriangles]

Oh god, I know Forrest Gump will probably make it, but please, don't let Titanic.

[Miss Vicky]

Oh god, I know Forrest Gump will probably make it, but please, don't let Titanic.


I didn't vote for either one, but I do expect to see both. I like them both, but don't love them.

[Sexy Celebrity]

It might not. Titanic was #19 on my list, one place under Jackie Brown. Depends on if there's more Titanic lovers here than Jackie Brown lovers.

[Miss Vicky]

Yeah but didn't Titanic make the Top 100 of All Time list?

[Sexy Celebrity]

Yeah but isn't this Movie Forums?

[Brodinski]

Been off the grid for a while, amigos. OK, catching up...


100. Con Air - 2.5
98. Speed - 3
97. Beauty and the Beast - 3.5
96. Edward Scissorhands - 3.5
94. The Sixth Sense - 3.5[/rating
93. Short Cuts - haven't seen, but MAGNOLIA OWNS THIS, hahahaha
92. Sling Blade - 3.5
91. Heavenly Creatures[rating]1.5
90. Dark City - 3.5+ (why is this so low?)
89. Scream - 3.5
87. Rushmore - 3[/rating+
86. The Fifth Element - 3
85. Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels - 3.5+
84. The Player - 4+
83. Point Break - [rating]2 (who voted for this?)
82. Batman Returns - 3+
81. Farewell My Concubine - 3

77. JFK - 4
74. Starship Troopers - 3 (WTF, lol)
73. Life Is Beautiful - 3.5
72. Donnie Brasco - 3.5+
71. All About My Mother - 3.5+
70. Before Sunrise - 2.5+
69. La Haine - 4+ (clearly way too low)
67. The Nightmare Before Christmas - 3
66. Trois couleurs: Bleu - 3
64. The Boondock Saints - 2.5
63. Funny Games - 3+
62. As Good as It Gets - 4.5+ (disgraceful that this isn't even top 50)
61. Twelve Monkeys - 3.5+
60. Babe - 3.5
59. Dumb and Dumber 2.5 (OK, who voted for this? Show yourselves so I can flog you for getting it up this high)
57. The Lion King - 3.5
54. Trois couleurs: Rouge - 3+
53. Toy Story 2 - 3.5+
52. Breaking the Waves - 3.5+
50. Total Recall - 3
49. Ed Wood - 3.5+
47. True Romance - 3
46. Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas - 4+
45. Clerks - 3
44. Jackie Brown - 3.5+
42. The Straight Story - 3.5+
41. Barton Fink - 3+
38. The Truman Show - 3.5+
37. Miller's Crossing - 4+


Pretty eclectic stuff you guys got going on here.

If Magnolia makes the top 10, I'm streaking across my neighbourhood.

[honeykid]

83. Point Break - 2 (who voted for this?)
Cool people. :cool:

74. Starship Troopers - 3 (WTF, lol)
Same cool people. :D

62. As Good as It Gets - 4.5+ (disgraceful that this isn't even top 50)
No, it's disgraceful it made the list. :p

[Deadite]

Magnolia was very high on my list...

[rauldc14]

Titanic and Dances with Wolves both made the top 100 of all time list for the MOFO board. Which is precisely why I don't see either missing. I really need to get to see both of these films.

[Daniel M]

93. Short Cuts - haven't seen, but MAGNOLIA OWNS THIS, hahahaha

I don't get this. But Magnolia will probably make top 20, wouldn't surprise me if it did reach the top 10, it has a lot of fans on here. I think I'm right when I say you and HitchFan have it at #1, I had it in about the middle of my list I think, and that's just three I know.

[Cobpyth]

Titanic and Dances with Wolves both made the top 100 of all time list for the MOFO board. Which is precisely why I don't see either missing. I really need to get to see both of these films.

In the Mood For Love made the top 100 of all time and didn't make the Millennium list. Same thing with Mystic River. There are no guarantees.

By the way, Bein John Malkovich was also on the top 100 of all time list and you ditched that one out of your list...

[HitchFan97]

I don't get this. But Magnolia will probably make top 20, wouldn't surprise me if it did reach the top 10, it has a lot of fans on here. I think I'm right when I say you and HitchFan have it at #1, I had it in about the middle of my list I think, and that's just three I know.

You are right indeed :cool: My hope is that it cracks the top ten, though that's probably a stretch unfortunately. I think we predicted that Eyes Wide Shut had, at the very least, something like 110 points. So it could be appearing very soon, but the higher it climbs the happier I am.

[Sexy Celebrity]

Magnolia was very high on my list...

I'll have to hang out with Magnolia.

[Deadite]

Being John Malkovich was even higher on my list...

[Dtwizzy2k8]

The top 100 of all time list has no bearing on this list. The all-time list has Dark City higher than it is in this 90s list, so that tells you everything you need to know. The all-time list was made by people actually listing what they considered to be the objectively greatest movies ever, whereas this 90s list is more like a slapped-together mosaic of pet favorites that's sure to leave at least one great movie out in favor of crap like Boondock Saints.
Go figure.

[honeykid]

Wait? You're complaining about the list, as usual, but you think Dark City is one of the 100 best films of all-time? Really? I like the film, but :facepalm:

[Miss Vicky]

Being John Malkovich was even higher on my list...

Malkovich was in my top 5.

[Deadite]

Wait? You're complaining about the list, as usual, but you think Dark City is one of the 100 best films of all-time? Really? I like the film, but :facepalm:

It's no Highlander.

[Deadite]

Malkovich was in my top 5.

#5 for me.

[Dtwizzy2k8]

Wait? You're complaining about the list, as usual, but you think Dark City is one of the 100 best films of all-time? Really? I like the film, but :facepalm:

If you're addressing me, then I don't know what you're talking about. I never said Dark City was one of the 100 GOATs, I said it was on the MOFO All-Time list. I haven't even seen Dark City myself :shrug:

[Miss Vicky]

#5 for me.

It was higher on mine.

[Deadite]

It was higher on mine.

You... win?

[Miss Vicky]

You... win?

We both win. We both recognize how awesome the movie is. :)

[Mr Minio]

Stop complaining people! Top 5 movies on my list didn't show up and they won't and I'm not crying over it

[donniedarko]

If you're addressing me, then I don't know what you're talking about. I never said Dark City was one of the 100 GOATs, I said it was on the MOFO All-Time list. I haven't even seen Dark City myself :shrug:

what have you seen? (on this list)

[Cobpyth]

The top 100 of all time list has no bearing on this list. The all-time list has Dark City higher than it is in this 90s list, so that tells you everything you need to know. The all-time list was made by people actually listing what they considered to be the objectively greatest movies ever, whereas this 90s list is more like a slapped-together mosaic of pet favorites that's sure to leave at least one great movie out in favor of crap like Boondock Saints.
Go figure.

Euhm, no. More because there were other members active then, than there are now.

There are no "objectively greatest movies ever" by the way, so the crap in this topic doesn't come from the appearance of a film like Boondock Saints, but from people like you, who can't handle the fact that there are members on this forum who also like other '90s films than the purely conventional ones.
This is a list composed by favorites of individual people, so don't act like an expert on the matter and say that only the widely (critically) recognized films belong on this list.

You haven't even watched that many films. What makes you think you're more knowledgable than the composition of 58 people who have probably all seen more films than you? That's pretty arrogant, if you ask me.

[Pussy Galore]

Truman Show was probably the 26th movie on my list I really liked it.

Miller's Crossing I probably need a rewatch because I was bored by it

[Dtwizzy2k8]

Euhm, no. More because there were other members active then, than there are now.

There are no "objectively greatest movies ever" by the way, so the crap in this topic doesn't come from the appearance of a film like Boondock Saints, but from people like you, who can't handle the fact that there are members on this forum who also like other '90s films than the purely conventional ones.
This is a list composed by favorites of individual people, so don't act like an expert on the matter and say that only the widely (critically) recognized films belong on this list.

You haven't even watched that many films. What makes you think you're more knowledgable than the composition of 58 people who have probably all seen more films than you? That's pretty arrogant, if you ask me.

There's a difference between ranking movies based on their objective greatness, and ranking them based on your personal subjective feelings about them. You're right, I "haven't watched that many films" but every major film critic or academy or list who has seen way more films than you would never put something like Boondock Saints on this list over a movie like Titanic or whatever other great movie is inevitably going to be snubbed.

[wintertriangles]

There's a difference between ranking movies based on their objective greatness, and ranking them based on your personal subjective feelings about them. You're right, I "haven't watched that many films" but every major film critic or academy or list who has seen way more films than you would never put something like Boondock Saints on this list over a movie like Titanic or whatever other great movie is inevitably going to be snubbed.Titanic is balls, and that ruins your argument. Actually, what also ruined your argument was thinking personal feelings have no place in ranking MATERIAL ITEMS.

[Dtwizzy2k8]

Titanic is balls, and that ruins your argument. Actually, what also ruined your argument was thinking personal feelings have no place in ranking MATERIAL ITEMS.

It's like talking to a child...yes, TiTaNiC iZZ BALLLZZ!! TRANSFORMERS AND TWILIGHT SHOULD B #1 AND #2!
Are you really so dense that you can't tell the difference between objective ranking and personal favorites? I didn't say personal feelings "have NO place in rankings", learn some reading comprehension.

[Cobpyth]

There's a difference between ranking movies based on their objective greatness, and ranking them based on your personal subjective feelings about them. You're right, I "haven't watched that many films" but every major film critic or academy or list who has seen way more films than you would never put something like Boondock Saints on this list over a movie like Titanic or whatever other great movie is inevitably going to be snubbed.

The point of this whole list is that it's based on personal subjective feelings. Otherwise Harry Lime could have just constructed the top 100 using IMDB scores, Rotten Tomatoes scores and rankings on several other famous lists.

You completely fail to see the concept of this list.
Not every film critic would put Titanic above Boondock Saints by the way. Critics are people too and also have their own preferences.

Objective greatness is not really measurable by the way, in case you didn't know.

[donniedarko]

It's like talking to a child...yes, TiTaNiC iZZ BALLLZZ!! TRANSFORMERS AND TWILIGHT SHOULD B #1 AND #2!
Are you really so dense that you can't tell the difference between objective ranking and personal favorites? I didn't say personal feelings "have NO place in rankings", learn some reading comprehension.

You obviously don't know his tastes...

[Dtwizzy2k8]

The point of this whole list is that it's based on personal subjective feelings. Otherwise Harry Lime could have just constructed the top 100 using IMDB scores, Rotten Tomatoes scores and rankings on several other famous lists.

You completely fail to see the concept of this list.
Not every film critic would put Titanic above Boondock Saints by the way. Critics are people too and also have their own preferences.

Objective greatness is not really measurable by the way, in case you didn't know.

I understand the purpose of this list, my point was that the MOFO All-Time list seems to be more geared towards objective ranking whereas this list is geared more toward subjective pet favorites. That's all I'm trying to say. Can you honestly look at both lists and disagree with that statement?
Measuring objective greatness means putting your personal interests aside and acknowledging a work of art. For example, somebody might be highly fond of the movie Warrior because they are really into Mixed Martial Arts, but they would admit that Warrior is not objectively the greatest movie ever made. See the difference?

[Dtwizzy2k8]

You obviously don't know his tastes...

If he thinks Boondock is objectively a better film than Titanic, then quite frankly I don't want to know his god-awful tastes.

[Daniel M]

If he thinks Boondock is objectively a better film than Titanic, then quite frankly I don't want to know his god-awful tastes.

You really are an idiot if you can't understand what we are saying.

[Dtwizzy2k8]

You really are an idiot if you can't understand what we are saying.

I completely understand what you're saying.

[Cobpyth]

It's like talking to a child...yes, TiTaNiC iZZ BALLLZZ!! TRANSFORMERS AND TWILIGHT SHOULD B #1 AND #2!
Are you really so dense that you can't tell the difference between objective ranking and personal favorites? I didn't say personal feelings "have NO place in rankings", learn some reading comprehension.

Yeah, sure. Make it into a stereotype and use two ridiculously unpopular movie titles that aren't even from the '90s and that were never mentioned, to state your point... :rolleyes:

Wintertriangles has probably seen 10 times as many films (probably even more) than you have and you're telling him that he doesn't know how to rank movies.
A lot of cinephiles don't like Titanic for very legitimate reasons (I'm not one of them, but I can understand their opinions). Why the freaking hell would they put it on their top 25 films of the '90s then?

[Cobpyth]

I understand the purpose of this list, my point was that the MOFO All-Time list seems to be more geared towards objective ranking whereas this list is geared more toward subjective pet favorites. That's all I'm trying to say. Can you honestly look at both lists and disagree with that statement?
Measuring objective greatness means putting your personal interests aside and acknowledging a work of art. For example, somebody might be highly fond of the movie Warrior because they are really into Mixed Martial Arts, but they would admit that Warrior is not objectively the greatest movie ever made. See the difference?

So people who have Casablanca or Citizen Kane as their favorite film can say that it's the best film ever made (because the critics agree with them), but people who have Warrior as their favorite film can't?

So what you are basically saying is that people can't have their own opinions, because there is some sort of general force which states that certain films can't be considered as the best film ever made and other films can.

That is what I call nonsense.

[Dtwizzy2k8]

Yeah, sure. Make it into a stereotype and use two ridiculously unpopular movie titles that aren't even from the '90s and that were never mentioned, to state your point... :rolleyes:

Wintertriangles has probably seen 10 times as many films (probably even more) than you have and you're telling him that he doesn't know how to rank movies.
A lot of cinephiles don't like Titanic for very legitimate reasons (I'm not one of them, but I can understand their opinions). Why the freaking hell would they put it on their top 25 films of the '90s then?

I'm not saying people are ranking things wrong, or that so and so "doesn't know how to rank movies". All I said was that the All-Time list is obviously more objective based in its rankings, whereas this list is more subjective.
It's not a shame if one person thinks a movie is better than another, it's a shame when 58 people snub an obviously superior film because they were too busy trying to get their pet favorite Chinese movies on the list instead of just simply listing what they actually consider to be the 25 best movies of the 90s.

This list is the victim of the mentality that led to Ben Affleck being snubbed for Best Director at the Oscars: everybody thinks, "Oh, well obviously this movie will make it so I'll leave it off my list so that I can get this pet favorite on instead". The problem is that when enough people think like that it messes the whole list and you get snubs, which is guaranteed to happen at this point because there's only like 37 movies left and more than that many great 90s movies left.

[Dtwizzy2k8]

So people who have Casablanca or Citizen Kane as their favorite film can say that it's the best film ever made (because the critics agree with them), but people who have Warrior as their favorite film can't?

So what you are basically saying is that people can't have their own opinions, because there is some sort of general force which states that certain films can't be considered as the best film ever made and other films can.

That is what I call nonsense.

No, I'm saying that if you think Warrior is your favorite #1 movie of all time because you're a huge MMA fan or something, that's fine. You have your opinion, and that's great. But if you think Warrior is objectively the greatest film ever made then you're an absolute moron.

[Yoda]

Eh? In the same message in which you acknowledge that this list is not supposed to be a measure of objective quality, you nonetheless lament the fact that an (allegedly) objectively superior film will be "snubbed." Why? This makes no sense. If you realize that's not what the list is, then there should be nothing upsetting about this at all. What you seem to be saying is "I know it's not measuring X, but it still sucks that this film that's good at X isn't on it." What?

Also, I don't think you need to appeal to strategic voting to account for the absence of a movie like Titanic. I didn't vote strategically and I didn't put it within a mile of my top 25. Because it's a crappy movie.

[Cobpyth]

I'm not saying people are ranking things wrong, or that so and so "doesn't know how to rank movies". All I said was that the All-Time list is obviously more objective based in its rankings, whereas this list is more subjective.
It's not a shame if one person thinks a movie is better than another, it's a shame when 58 people snub an obviously superior film because they were too busy trying to get their pet favorite Chinese movies on the list instead of just simply listing what they actually consider to be the 25 best movies of the 90s.

This list is the victim of the mentality that led to Ben Affleck being snubbed for Best Director at the Oscars: everybody thinks, "Oh, well obviously this movie will make it so I'll leave it off my list so that I can get this pet favorite on instead". The problem is that when enough people think like that it messes the whole list and you get snubs, which is guaranteed to happen at this point because there's only like 37 movies left and more than that many great 90s movies left.

Titanic and The Shawshank Redemption didn't make my list, because I genuinly think that the films in my top 25 are all OBJECTIVELY better films. I really mean that. I don't consider them a part of the 25 best films of the 1990s.

Am I an irrational being now, because I REALLY believe that those conventional films are worse than the films in my personal top 25?

[Cobpyth]

No, I'm saying that if you think Warrior is your favorite #1 movie of all time because you're a huge MMA fan or something, that's fine. You have your opinion, and that's great. But if you think Warrior is objectively the greatest film ever made then you're an absolute moron.

What do you think is the best film of all time?

[mark f]

Am I an irrational being now, because I REALLY believe that those conventional films are worse than the films in my personal top 25?
In your case, yes. :)

[Dtwizzy2k8]

Titanic and The Shawshank Redemption didn't make my list, because I genuinly think that the films in my top 25 are all OBJECTIVELY better films. I really mean that. I don't consider them a part of the 25 best films of the 1990s.

Am I an irrational being now, because I REALLY believe that those conventional films are worse than the films in my personal top 25?

No, and I have no issue with you leaving off Titanic and Shawshank. You're completely missing my point.

[Cobpyth]

In your case, yes. :)

Ok. everyone is an irrational being. You're right.


Let me rephrase:

Am I really a moron, because I REALLY believe that those conventional films are worse than the films in my personal top 25?

[Daniel M]

Pet favourite Chinese films? Hahaha.

Most people who have seeked out lesser seen/known foreign films are those normally more interested in cinema as art rather than cheap fun films, although some enjoy both. So I find this bit quite contradictory.

[Sexy Celebrity]

Also, I don't think you need to appeal to strategic voting to account for the absence of a movie like Titanic. I didn't vote strategically and I didn't put it within a mile of my top 25. Because it's a crappy movie.

I highly doubt you truly believe Titanic is crappy.

[Dtwizzy2k8]

Eh? In the same message in which you acknowledge that this list is not supposed to be a measure of objective quality, you nonetheless lament the fact that an (allegedly) objectively superior film will be "snubbed." Why? This makes no sense. If you realize that's not what the list is, then there should be nothing upsetting about this at all. What you seem to be saying is "I know it's not measuring X, but it still sucks that this film that's good at X isn't on it." What?


I'm saying it's going to be snubbed because of the "Ben Affleck Best Director" effect (for lack of a better term, patent pending). Reference my earlier post.

[Dtwizzy2k8]

Pet favourite Chinese films? Hahaha.

Most people who have seeked out lesser seen/known foreign films are those normally more interested in cinema as art rather than cheap fun films, although some enjoy both. So I find this bit quite contradictory.

You're right, people that seek out more obscure type films are generally bigger cinephiles with a stronger interest in cinema. But people who are ranking these movies higher than "conventional greats" come off as hipsters who think they're cool for going against conformity.

[Dtwizzy2k8]

What do you think is the best film of all time?

The Godfather, but I'm not sure what that has to do with anything.

[Daniel M]

You're right, people that seek out more obscure type films are generally bigger cinephiles with a stronger interest in cinema. But people who are ranking these movies higher than "conventional greats" come off as hipsters who think they're cool for going against conformity.

Whilst some may, I think the majority want to share their discoveries with those who haven't had the chance to watch. I'd prefer this to be a list of 50 films I know and 50 films I wouldn't have checked out otherwise than just 100 films I already know.

Not everyone is pretentious and believes that they are superior :p

[Sexy Celebrity]

You're right, people that seek out more obscure type films are generally bigger cinephiles with a stronger interest in cinema. But people who are ranking these movies higher than "conventional greats" come off as hipsters who think they're cool for going against conformity.

I agree with you. Titanic is a major work of art. It absolutely does not deserve to be dismissed from any '90s collection. Not when something like that forgettable, worthless, ridiculous space waster like Funny Games is on here.

[Dtwizzy2k8]

Whilst some may, I think the majority want to share their discoveries with those who haven't had the chance to watch. I'd prefer this to be a list of 50 films I know and 50 films I wouldn't have checked out otherwise than just 100 films I already know.

Not everyone is pretentious and believes that they are superior :p

And that is where we differ. I'm more interested to see how and where people ranked 100 movies I know rather than list 50 films I haven't seen just for the sake of exposing me to new movies. If that's what I wanted, then we should have a separate thread for "Great Movies You Probably Haven't Seen".

[Cobpyth]

You're right, people that seek out more obscure type films are generally bigger cinephiles with a stronger interest in cinema. But people who are ranking these movies higher than "conventional greats" come off as hipsters who think they're cool for going against conformity.

OK. So if a person has a different opinion than 'the conventional', they are automatically hipsters trying to be cool.

LOL.

[jal90]

Oh no no no no not this sheet again


If you want an "objective" (there is nothing objective in art!) and respectable list, go to the TSPDT page and make the following actions: 1) copy, 2) paste. That's the only way you'll have a list that fits your requirements. Other than that, let us be subjective and biased and stop this senseless objectivity wannabe rant because this list is based on the specific tastes of those who participated in it, and doesn't aim for anything else.

Anyway, how many have you watched to support your claims?

[Daniel M]

And that is where we differ. I'm more interested to see how and where people ranked 100 movies I know rather than list 50 films I haven't seen just for the sake of exposing me to new movies. If that's what I wanted, then we should have a separate thread for "Great Movies You Probably Haven't Seen".

But there's plenty of lists already out there for what you want then, just use IMDB or a critics list?

And Sexy is right, although I'm not the biggest fan of Titanic, it's a great piece of art and a great example of how to do a big blockbuster properly, like ir or not.

[Mingusings]

And that is where we differ. I'm more interested to see how and where people ranked 100 movies I know rather than list 50 films I haven't seen just for the sake of exposing me to new movies. If that's what I wanted, then we should have a separate thread for "Great Movies You Probably Haven't Seen".

So what you are saying is that if I think the best film of the 90s is a relatively obscure movie that not many people have seen, I should just lie and put a movie that everyone already knows is good?

[Nausicaä]

Dtwizzy2k8 did you vote? if not, post your top 25 films from the 90s if you haven't, to see what your choices would have been. :cool:

[Sexy Celebrity]

Titanic spoke to a LARGE audience. Made a hell of a lot of money. Received tons of prestige. It's absolutely not garbage.

[Dtwizzy2k8]

But there's plenty of lists already out there for what you want then, just use IMDB or a critics list?


No two lists are identical, I find enjoyment/interest in seeing where people rank certain films. You act like IMDB and every critics list is exactlly the same. I'm less interested in seeing WHAT movies make the list and more interested in WHERE they make the list.

[Daniel M]

Titanic spoke to a LARGE audience. Made a hell of a lot of money. Received tons of prestige. It's absolutely not garbage.

Yeh, it's a large audience film, powerful and effective with a good balance of everything you need to make it as watchable as possible. When I say I don't love it, I give it a very good 3.5, I haven't seen it in a while either.

[Dtwizzy2k8]

Dtwizzy2k8 did you vote? if not, post your top 25 films from the 90s if you haven't, to see what your choices would have been. :cool:

I didn't vote because I didn't watch enough films by the deadline to make what I felt would be a true representation of my top 25 movies. At some point though I'll probably make a thread of my top 25 or 100 90s movies once I've checked out certain films I've been meaning to get around to.

[Cobpyth]

No two lists are identical, I find enjoyment/interest in seeing where people rank certain films. You act like IMDB and every critics list is exactlly the same. I'm less interested in seeing WHAT movies make the list and more interested in WHERE they make the list.

That's insane.

You want to see 100 different lists with always the same movies appearing, just in a slightly different order?

That doesn't make sense to me, in all honesty.

[Daniel M]

I didn't vote because I didn't watch enough films by the deadline to make what I felt would be a true representation of my top 25 movies. At some point though I'll probably make a thread of my top 25 or 100 90s movies once I've checked out certain films I've been meaning to get around to.

As long as you had watched 25 films it would of been a true representation of your top 25 90s films, no?????

[Dtwizzy2k8]

That's insane.

You want to see 100 different lists with always the same movies appearing, just in a slightly different order?

That doesn't make sense to me, in all honesty.

I'm insane that way.

It's like if people made a thread about "Who are the top 10 NBA players?", you would obviously see the same 10-15 names or so being repeated over and over but it's interesting to see where people rank them. I wouldn't want to see some random obscure names on that list just to make me think, "Hmm, I should watch more of that guy play!"

[Frightened Inmate No. 2]

I didn't vote because I didn't watch enough films by the deadline to make what I felt would be a true representation of my top 25 movies. At some point though I'll probably make a thread of my top 25 or 100 90s movies once I've checked out certain films I've been meaning to get around to.

You could just take a critic's top 25, because apparently it's impossible for critics to be wrong.

[Dtwizzy2k8]

As long as you had watched 25 films it would of been a true representation of your top 25 90s films, no?????

You got me there. What I mean is that the "most pure" way to make a list would be if I watched every single 90s movie ever made, and then made a top 25 list. The more movies you've seen, the more "accurate/pure" your list would be. I didn't feel like I had seen enough movies to make one by the deadline (and still don't).

[weeman]

I didn't vote on this list because I wasn't around when the voting happened, and probably wouldn't have been eligible to vote either because of my lack of time here.

But I don't get why anyone would rather see "where" films place, rather than "what" films place. If that was the case, then wouldn't there have just been a set list of 100 films to vote from? No. Because this list (like every other best of list in existence ever) is based entirely on personal preference (and occasional tactical voting). I'd much rather see a list where people vote for what they want rather than vote for what they feel they "should" be voting for.

For the record, Titanic is a 3 for me. Its grand in scale and I can see why many people loved it at the time and still love it now, I imagine it was a cultural milestone when it came out. But for me, its just overly melodramatic and tends towards the "too sappy" range. Again, I still enjoyed it. But then, that's my OPINION isn't it? ;)

[Dtwizzy2k8]

You could just take a critic's top 25, because apparently it's impossible for critics to be wrong.

Or I could go to the 99c clearance rack of 90s VHS tapes in a Korean supermarket, toss 25 of them into my grocery bag and call that my list!
Two can be fallacious and absurd.

[Sexy Celebrity]

Or I could go to the 99c clearance rack of 90s VHS tapes in a Korean supermarket, toss 25 of them into my grocery bag and call that my list!
Two can be fallacious and absurd.

I'm afraid it's worse than that. Some of these Asian '90s movies -- you can't even find them on any format. They are lost "treasures". In fact, if memory serves me right, Harry Lime even said one of them -- a '90s Asian film, mind you -- was JUST RELEASED in theaters, in like 2012 or something.

This is some HARDCORE '90s Asian movies up in here. Blacker than the black market.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbHwbgIELCc

[Nausicaä]

I still want a 90s film list from Dtwizzy2k8 now, NOW!!!!

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[jal90]

Hmmm, lost "treasures"?

http://memeorama.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/welcome-to-the-internet-ill-be-your-guide1.jpeg

Anyway the most obscure film of my list that has appeared here happens to have a DVD edition in my country and I happen to own it, so...

[honeykid]

I'm saying it's going to be snubbed because of the "Ben Affleck Best Director" effect (for lack of a better term, patent pending). Reference my earlier post.
Again, the point was to submit your 25 favourite films. If everyone did that, then no film would be "snubbed" or "let out" regardless of what anyone else thought of it.

Not everyone is pretentious and believes that they are superior :p
Yeah, that's just me.

If that's what I wanted, then we should have a separate thread for "Great Movies You Probably Haven't Seen".
Plenty of those threads.

[JayDee]

83. Point Break - 2 (who voted for this?)

That would be me! :up:

59. Dumb and Dumber - 2.5 (OK, who voted for this? Show yourselves so I can flog you for getting it up this high)

Eh....also me! :D

74. Starship Troopers - 3 (WTF, lol)

Even I'm not taking the hit on this one! :p


If Magnolia makes the top 10, I'm streaking across my neighbourhood.

If Magnolia makes the top 10 I might cry!

I'm glad I don't live in your crazy pants view of 90s cinema then

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Yes of course why should one of the most popular and iconic movies of the 90s make the list, a damn fun movie at that. Much better that a 7 hour black and white foreign films featuring animal cruelty makes the list. After all it's black and white and foreign so it must be great and cool. And no I haven't actually seen Satantango so like most people on here I'm expressing an uninformed opinion!

[Daniel M]

Films like Titanic are perhaps overly melodramatic/sappy because of the budgets involved and target audience. The creation in film often means directors 'play it safe' with certain elements. I go into a film like Titanic knowing it's going to be too dramatic/sappy, but Cameron does the best job of doing the best he can with that.

[Cobpyth]

Yes of course why should one of the most popular and iconic movies of the 90s make the list, a damn fun movie at that. Much better that a 7 hour black and white foreign films featuring animal cruelty makes the list. After all it's black and white and foreign so it must be great and cool. And no I haven't seen Satantango so like most people on here I'm expressing an uninformed opinion!

Don't worry. Satantango won't make the list. ;)

[Mr Minio]

Much better that a 7 hour black and white foreign films featuring animal cruelty makes the list. After all it's black and white and foreign so it must be great and cool. Sure, too bad it wasn't made by a director from Bhutan, shot in one take and featured a harsh noise soundtrack. It'd be so great then that you wouldn't even have to watch it to say it's the best movie ever! Not like these colour not-foreign films with no animal cruelty!

And no I haven't actually seen Satantango Ignorance is bliss! I haven't seen whole Magnolia!

Don't worry. Satantango won't make the list. ;)
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[weeman]

Films like Titanic are perhaps overly melodramatic/sappy because of the budgets involved and target audience. The creation in film often means directors 'play it safe' with certain elements. I go into a film like Titanic knowing it's going to be too dramatic/sappy, but Cameron does the best job of doing the best he can with that.

I disagree with some of this. I agree with the bit where you say Cameron "plays it safe" because he clearly does, and that's down to its huge budget, which the studio wouldn't want him wasting. However, Cameron still controls most of the film, and so the melodrama isn't him "coping" with the melodrama, rather him creating the melodrama with regards to the target audience. He decides that, no one decides it for him. But that's why the film worked so well, it knew its audience and pandered to its every need. Its still a lot better than some similar works.

[Sane]

You're right, people that seek out more obscure type films are generally bigger cinephiles with a stronger interest in cinema. But people who are ranking these movies higher than "conventional greats" come off as hipsters who think they're cool for going against conformity.
And you come off as narrow minded for thinking that a movie you haven't seen is "obscure", when you clearly haven't seen many movies.

There are lots of great films I've never seen ... so I intend to watch them. When confronted with a great movie you haven't seen, you complain and question people's motives for liking it.

FYI, I didn't vote for Titanic because there are at least 25 better movies from the 90s. It was good but not great. Now, you can refuse to watch movies that other people tell you are better if you want, but if you choose to be ignorant you have no grounds upon which to question those who aren't.

[rauldc14]

oh I would so love it if Titanic and Independence Day are the next two films! That would be so epic.

[Sane]

I'm afraid it's worse than that. Some of these Asian '90s movies -- you can't even find them on any format. They are lost "treasures". In fact, if memory serves me right, Harry Lime even said one of them -- a '90s Asian film, mind you -- was JUST RELEASED in theaters, in like 2012 or something.

This is some HARDCORE '90s Asian movies up in here. Blacker than the black market.



None of the movies on this list are lost, you just haven't heard of them because your movie tastes are narrow. No 90s Asian film was just released in theatres in 2012. That's silly. It may have only been released in the US in 2012 but you understand there is a big wide world outside of where you live right? Might it not have been released in, I don't know, Asia, previously? You know, where over half the world's population lives? But no-one has ever seen these "Asian" movies right?

Seriously, we get it, you don't like anything different. Anything outside the mainstream scares you. But trust me, for many the 90s was all about alternative. Tarantino, "foreign" films, etc. While you were listening to Celine Dion and Ricky Martin and watching Kindergarten Cop others were listening to Jeff Buckley and watching Three Colours Red.

To many, the 90s was all about trying new things.

[The Gunslinger45]

Independence Day was fun dammit! One of my favorite pure entertainment movies!

[Harry Lime]

http://imageshack.us/a/img202/8879/nmnw.jpg

36. Casino
(Martin Scorsese, 1995)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112641/

119 POINTS

[Harry Lime]

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35. Dead Man
(Jim Jarmusch, 1995)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112817/

126 POINTS

[Harry Lime]

100. Con Air
99. The Hole
98. Speed
97. Beauty and the Beast
96. Edward Scissorhands
95. Show Me Love
94. The Sixth Sense
93. Short Cuts
92. Sling Blade
91. Heavenly Creatures
90. Dark City
89. Scream
88. The Sweet Hereafter
87. Rushmore
86. The Fifth Element
85. Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels
84. The Player
83. Point Break
82. Batman Returns
81. Farewell My Concubine
80. Close-Up
79. Naked Lunch
78. Fallen Angels
77. JFK
76. A Brighter Summer Day
75. Happiness
74. Starship Troopers
73. Life Is Beautiful
72. Donnie Brasco
71. All About My Mother
70. Before Sunrise
69. La Haine
68. Army of Darkness
67. The Nightmare Before Christmas
66. Trois couleurs: Bleu
65. Whisper of the Heart
64. The Boondock Saints
63. Funny Games
62. As Good as It Gets
61. Twelve Monkeys
60. Babe
59. Dumb and Dumber
58. The Double Life of Veronique
57. The Lion King
56. Underground
55. Hoop Dreams
54. Trois couleurs: Rouge
53. Toy Story 2
52. Breaking the Waves
51. Hana-bi
50. Total Recall
49. Ed Wood
48. Dazed and Confused
47. True Romance
46. Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
45. Clerks
44. Jackie Brown
43. Sonatine
42. The Straight Story
41. Barton Fink
40. Man Bites Dog
39. Naked
38. The Truman Show
37. Miller's Crossing
36. Casino
35. Dead Man

[Sexy Celebrity]

Give me a break.

[Daniel M]

Wow, Dead Man at 35. That is awesome, I only watched it recently (a couple of times) but I thought it was a brilliant film and put it really, really high on my list. Really though it hadn't made it. I think Tyler1 probably put it on his list as I remember he recommended it to me ages ago, but I don't really know who else likes it around here :)

Casino at 36 is a surprise too, I know people like it but I kind of forgot about it and guessed people wouldn't vote for it on the basis that Goodfellas will show up extremely high, not actually seen Casino.


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I am going to copy a lot from what I said to Donnie about the film in a conversation between ourselves, as it is basically what I think of the film.First of all I will say that I honestly do not understand complaints about the film being a boring and slow experience, even if you do not understand the meaning, which I was unsure of on the first viewing, I felt this film worked anyway as a chase film, with some great and funny scenes shared between Blake and Nobody keeping things lively, and all the encounters with the various smaller characters proving interesting and enjoyable.

I will say am not completely sure what the film is about, but I do not think it has a clear meaning or it is particularly essential to the film I think it is kind of a criticism of America and the West, shown through the Indians and racist scenes like the shop owner's attitude towards Nobody, and the way we have Robert Mitchum - who gives a very small but great final performance, the powerful white man running the town and chasing down Depp. This white businessman has taken over nature and the original habitants of America, like industry versus nature, the town is even called Machine. There are also other subtle hints towards the theme industry versus nature, such as the paper flowers that the girl has at the film's beginning, a normally natural object that is now man made, and there is the shooting of the buffaloes from the train at the beginning.

Spoilers in paragraph: I liked the spiritual stuff, we know Depp is going to die, he is a dead man because the bullet is trapped. And I liked how he was preparing to die. I like the idea that Nobody was the only thing keeping him alive, and was simply their to guide him. Notice how literally as soon as Nobody is shot moments later Blake finally dies. I liked the lamb (I think it was a lamb) scene where Depp literally lays down and it looks like he kind of others himself and accepts nature and his death.

Aside from that I found the film incredibly funny and enjoyable, The Blake/Nobody relationship was awesome and like when Blake walks into the camp with those three people is great when Nobody saves him, although the violence is always kept kind of gruesome. And then of course there's the electric score, which is brilliant and one of the best that I have heard.

[Harry Lime]

Give me a break.

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[Sexy Celebrity]

http://www.thestranger.com/binary/2b91/1266525192-kit-kat.jpg

Thank God. That's the best thing I've seen so far in this thread.

[Miss Vicky]

I've seen both. I don't remember much about Casino other than it being VERY violent.

Dead Man I have on DVD, have seen several times, and still can't decide if I actually like it or not. I guess that means I'm indifferent to it.

Stupid ****ing White Man.

[Harry Lime]

I know what the worst thing in this thread is.

[Camo]

I've honestly never even heard of Dead Man :confused: .

Casino never made my list, i'm happy to see it here though. I think it's unfairly thought of as the lesser Goodfellas. I'd say i prefer Goodfellas but i've honestly watched that film to death so i'm much more likely to rewatch Casino.

[The Gunslinger45]

More Scorsese is always good. But the selection I had must be higher up. As for Dead Man, I have not seen it, but I want to as I have just recently discovered Jim Jarmesch and I liked Down by Law.

[Sexy Celebrity]

For some reason, I own Down by Law.

[Frightened Inmate No. 2]

Dead Man is one that I really want to see, because I want to get into some Jarmusch, but I haven't got around to it yet.

[Sane]

Casino would have been about number 26 on my list. I like it a lot but to be honest I did think it was a bit too similar to Goodfellas - perhaps it is unfair to judge it like that.

Not seen Dead Man but need to.

[Godoggo]

Casino is really good and in some aspects I prefer it to Goodfellas. Dead Man is not close to being my favorite Jarmusch film, but it's alright.

[Sexy Celebrity]

Johnny Depp is way too mainstream of an actor.

[Deadite]

The nerve of some people, voting based on their own opinions. This list is all wrong. It lacks credibility. Can't believe it isn't exactly precisely what I want it to be. Doesn't have all the movies I want on it. Has movies I don't want on it. Has movies in the wrong order. Just awful. I hate not getting my way and I'm gonna throw a tantrum. :bawling:

[Cobpyth]

100. Con Air - Not seen
99. Dong aka The Hole - Not seen
98. Speed - 3
97. Beauty and the Beast - 3.5
96. Edward Scissorhands - 4
95. F#cking Amal aka Show Me Love - Not Seen
94. The Sixth Sense - 4
93. Short Cuts - 4.5 (MY LIST)
92. Sling Blade - Not Seen
91. Heavenly Creatures - Not Seen
90. Dark City - Not Seen
89. Scream - 3.5
88. The Sweet Hereafter - Not Seen
87. Rushmore - 3.5
86. The Fifth Element - 3.5+
85. Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels - Not Seen
84. The Player - 5 (MY LIST)
83. Point Break - Not Seen
82. Batman Returns - 3
81. Farewell My Concubine - 4
80. Nema-ye Nazdik aka Close-Up - Not Seen
79. Naked Lunch - Not Seen
78. Duo luo tian shi aka Fallen Angels - Not Seen
77. JFK - Not Seen
76. A Brighter Summer Day - Not Seen
75. Happiness - 3.5
74. Starship Troopers - Not Seen
73. Life Is Beautiful - Not Seen
72. Donnie Brasco - Not Seen
71. All About My Mother - 3.5(+)
70. Before Sunrise - 3.5(+)
69. La Haine - Not Seen
68. Army of Darkness - Not Seen
67. The Nightmare Before Christmas - 3.5(+)
66. Trois couleurs: Bleu - Not Seen
65. Whisper of the Heart - Not Seen – 3.5(+)
64. The Boondock Saints - Not Seen
63. Funny Games - Not Seen
62. As Good as It Gets - 3.5(-)
61. Twelve Monkeys - 4+ (MY LIST)
60. Babe - Not Seen
59. Dumb and Dumber - Not Seen
58. The Double Life of Veronique - Not Seen
57. The Lion King - 4+
56. Underground - Not Seen
55. Hoop Dreams - Not Seen
54. Trois couleurs: Rouge - Not Seen
53. Toy Story 2 - 4
52. Breaking the Waves - Not Seen
51. Hana-Bi - Not Seen
50. Total Recall - Not Seen
49. Ed Wood - 5 (MY LIST)
48. Dazed and Confused - 3.5(-)
47. True Romance - 3.5
46. Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas - 3.5
45. Clerks - Not Seen
44. Jackie Brown - 4
43. Sonatine - Not Seen
42. The Straight Story - Not Seen
41. Barton Fink - 4.5 (MY LIST)
40. Man Bites Dog - Not Seen
39. Naked - Not Seen
38. The Truman Show - 3.5(+)
37. Miller's Crossing - 4.5(-) (MY LIST)
36. Casino - 4.5 (MY LIST)
35. Dead Man - Not Seen

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Casino is a wildly entertaining film with some magnificent directing from Martin Scorsese. The film is not as solid as Goodfellas, as it's pretty much 'all over the place', while Goodfellas had more control over its content, but that also gives it a certain charm.
This is a film that I could see on a regular basis, because it's just such a cool movie to look at and because there happens so much.
It also still has that typical awesome Scorsese vibe to it, that he lost a little bit in his latest work, because he has become a little more 'artificial' lately. He's still one of the best in the business of course and I still like his newer films, but he doesn't have that pleasant rawness anymore that he used to have.
This film is full of electricity and it was somewhere in the middle part of my list. I'm very glad it's this high.

[mark f]

The nerve of some people, voting based on their own opinions. This list is all wrong. It lacks credibility. Can't believe it isn't exactly precisely what I want it to be. Doesn't have all the movies I want on it. Has movies I don't want on it. Has movies in the wrong order. Just awful. I hate not getting my way and I'm gonna throw a tantrum. :bawling:
Everything except the first and last sentences. :D

[weeman]

Casino drags for too long in certain parts for it to be a classic, especially with its three hour running time. It drives the patience, but ultimately it is worth it. 3.5

Haven't seen Dead Man.

[Daniel M]

So I just checked and I had Dead Man at #4 on my list, was my highest 'great film' that I hoped to get a lot of points for. So like I said I'm delighted it showed up so high when I had lost hope - but my question remains, apart from me, who the hell voted for it? :p

[Deadite]

Not me.

[rauldc14]

Casino was #15 on my list. I can't believe Independence Day will be even lower than this! Must have done very well.

[cricket]

Casino is the 4th to appear from my list after Donnie Brasco, As Good as it Gets, and True Romance. I had it at #12.

Very surprised to see Dead Man at this point just because I've never heard that much about it. Looks like an interesting film.

[jiraffejustin]

Casino is good, Dead Man is the worst western I've ever seen though. Depp was annoying per usual. Overall the list is still good though.

[donniedarko]

Wow shocked to see both of These so high. I haven't seen Casino yet. Dead Man is one of my least favorite of this list, I didn't get it all, but Jarmusch has grown on me since. And while its my leat favorite so far, I wouldn't say it's the worst.

[gandalf26]

Casino like Goodfellas is one of those movies that you end up watching EVERY time it's on TV. deserving of its place.

never heard of Dead Man.

[wintertriangles]

So like I said I'm delighted it showed up so high when I had lost hope - but my question remains, apart from me, who the hell voted for it? :pI had it at #19

[The Rodent]

Haven't seen Dead Man...

Casino very near made my list though, excellent film.

[Dtwizzy2k8]

Casino is a great film, I often think about how history would judge it differently if it came out BEFORE Goodfellas instead of after. We'll never know I guess.

[The Rodent]

Tbh, I think Casino is a better film than Goodfellas.

Pesci's character is much scarier too.
In Goodfellas he's only ever remembered for that one scene when he ad-libs with Liotta about being "funny"... in Casino he doesn't have a defining scene exactly, it's his entire changing performance throughout that impresses.

Sharon Stone's best role too. Can't stand the woman or her films (apart from Basic Instinct... but then again anyone could have played her role and made it better)... but her performance in Casino absolutely rocks.

[Sexy Celebrity]

Sharon Stone's best role too. Can't stand the woman or her films (apart from Basic Instinct... but then again anyone could have played her role and made it better)...

No way. She made Basic Instinct.

[Miss Vicky]

I liked her best in The Quick and the Dead.

[The Rodent]

Pick a film with Sharon Stone... no matter how good it is, she's the weakest thing in that film.

She was the weakest thing about Police Academy 4 and Catwoman... and that's saying something.

[Frightened Inmate No. 2]

She was good in Broken Flowers.

[Sexy Celebrity]

She may have been weak in those films, but she is not weak in Basic Instinct. She is completely convincing to me.

[Miss Vicky]

Is it bad that I've not seen Basic Instinct?

[Sexy Celebrity]

You have gotta see it. I think you would like it.

[Miss Vicky]

I think I actually bought the DVD at one point, but then forgot it at the register and didn't realize until much later.
It was an impulse buy from the $5 bin at Walmart.

I wonder if it's on Netflix? I still have access to my friend's ex's account, last I checked.

[Sexy Celebrity]

I would be up for a commentary for that some other day, but I don't know if you'd want to do a commentary to a movie you haven't seen.

[Miss Vicky]

Yeah, that seems like a bad idea. Unless it was some schlocky B horror or something.
But first-time watch of a normal movie I'd rather focus on the film.

[Gabrielle947]

Casino is great.Not as good as Goodfellas story and whole execution-wise but as Rodent mentioned,I think it had some great acting performances.Should rewatch it,it's been a while since I've seen it,that's why I didn't include it in my list.

Seen Deadman but I don't remember much of it,Jarmusch's movies (I've seen 3) seemed just..pointless.Especially Mystery Train.I felt like I experienced nothing once it was over.

[Thursday Next]

I didn't much like Casino.

Dead Man is one of those films I've been meaning to see for a while but haven't quite got round to yet.

[TokeZa]

I had Dead Man as #4. One of the best Jarmusch films. Only toppled by The Limits of Control!

[Deadite]

I recall Dead Man was mostly just extremely boring and I don't think I even finished it. But that was many moons ago, so I maybe should give it another chance.

Stone isn't Meryl Streep or anything, but she gets too much hate. She's done some good minor work in films like The Mighty and Alpha Dog. As Miss Vicky mentioned earlier I liked Stone a lot in The Quick And The Dead, and she was also a cool villain in Total Recall. I'm probably in a minority that liked Sphere and I thought she was very good there, and I also thought Diabolique '96 was alright. She was great in Last Dance, but the film itself wasn't too good.