BADLANDS vs. NATURAL BORN KILLERS

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I am having a nervous breakdance
I saw Terrence Malick's masterpiece Badlands (1973) again the other night and it struck me that Oliver Stone's Natural Born Killers (1994) is almost a remake of it.

In Badlands the outlaw couple is played by Sissy Spacek (Holly) and Martin Sheen (Kit), and in Natural Born Killers the couple is played by Juliette Lewis (Mallory) and Woody Harrelson (Mickey).

In both films a young girl falls in love with a handsome working class guy who doesn't give a **** about anything or anyone. The girl's dad has some considerable significance in both films and the boy ends up killing the dad and running away with the girl. Then a killing spree follows and in both films the couple seems to be indifferent about all the killings. But in both films there is one murder that doesn't "feel right", that even the couple thinks is wrong. In Badlands it's the killing of Kit's friend from work, Cato, and in Natural Born Killers it's the killing of a native american. The difference between the films is that at this point of Badlands Holly's and the audience sympathy for Kit is decreasing, while in Natural Born Killers the sympathy with Mickey lasts throughout the entire movie. Or is at least meant to last throughout the movie. In Natural Born Killers the female character takes part actively in the killing while in Badlands she more or less just tags along because she's in love with the guy. Mickey and Mallory are being unified by the killings, they are as one, while Kit and Holly are ultimately alienated from each other because of Kit's murderous and cold behaviour. But in both films the murderer/murderers are being treated as celebrity/celebrities even if Stone takes it to the extreme compared to Malick. Where Malick is telling a story, or showing us a story, Stone seems to be wanting the audience to be part of his film, to be part of the audience within the film who is cheering for Mickey and Mallory.

I don't know if this is a known fact, that Oliver Stone, or Quentin Tarantino (who wrote the basic story), had Badlands in mind when they did Natural Born Killers, but I have never thought of it or heard about it before.

There are of course a lot of differences between the movies, they look completely different. But the stories are strikingly similar, wouldn't you agree? And the questions they are raising are pretty similar too, even if Stone is focusing more on media's role then Malick who seem to be more interested in the social and the psychological context. Or something...

What do you think, guys?
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It is said that Charles Starkweather is indeed the inspiration for the movies Badlands, Natural Born Killers, and Wild at Heart.

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I am having a nervous breakdance
Cool. I have never heard of the guy. Just checked him out on the Net. Thanks, Brian...

It's interesting that Malick has tried to make Kit more humane than the real Starkweather who appears to have been a complete evil psycho judging from what I've read about him so far. I have to say though that Badlands is the only film of the ones most often mentioned that is the closest to an actual adaptation from the real life story. Natural Born Killers feels more inspired by Badlands then directly by the life of Charles Starkweather. But I base that on my 15 minutes old knowledge of the man.



I read about Starkweather… he was a James Dean fanatic and blamed the majority of his problems on kids at school teasing him…
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If I remember right, Badlands was a story about him, where the other two were inspired by him.



I am having a nervous breakdance
Yeah, probably.

Anyway, Badlands is a great movie and Malick one of my favourite directors. If he had directed twice as many movies in his career and they were of the same quality as masterpieces Badlands, Days of Heaven and The Thin Red Line, he would have been the favourite director of mine probably.



They have no business being compared or even mentioned in the same conversation.



Man I wish it was 2003.



Better male Lead - I find Sheen's mysterious presence sexier than Harrelson's endearing caricature.
Better female lead - This might be my favorite Lewis performance to this day (a ball to watch from start to finish, unlike the movie), but Spacek's mystery has more staying power...
Better Script - the stories are very similar as the OP suggests. Badlands remains secretive whenever you think about it, while NBK bashes you in the head with it's message.. I think I'll go NBK on this one since some of its lines (and scenes) are just unforgettable.
Better Cinematography - the toughest yet? both look very distinguished and in completely different ways...I'll go Badlands cause it feels more original and evoking.
Better editing - (answering more about their pacing here)... Not only Badlands is shorter, NBK really feels it's length near the end.
Better Soundtrack - Badlands, easily.
Better Direction - Again, they're going for completely different things. I'd say Malick is in a more exciting place here overall than where Stone is in his career.

So overall I prefer Badlands (which I actually have this desire to re-watch rn) to NBK, which can be admittedly more "fun" to sit through (until it isn't).
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N.B.K. by bunches.
Truth be told I'd rather see Natural Born Killers remade by the writer Quentin Tarantino. Oliver Stone was on waaaay too many drugs trying to adapt it, and made the finished product unrecognizable from the script. Yes even Stones most overrated film is leaps and bounds better than the most overrated director Terrence Malicks film Badlands. Never understood peoples affinity for him, or his work.