Rioting in the U.S.

Agree. Totally shocking what happened to him. I’m just glad he didn’t die because he could have died.

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Just some thoughts on the 75 year-old man: his name is Martin Gugino and he is an activist.

I watched the video closely a couple more times. Allegedly he was on the street past curfew and the cops were on the march when he confronted them by stepping in front of them.

Some reports say that he was not returning a lost helmet he had in his hands, but he was carrying it around as some sort of prop (perhaps as a means to engage the cops or gain their attention).

The cop he gets directly in front of puts out his nightstick (holding both ends with his hands) but doesn't appear to make physical contact.

A cop next to the one holding the nightstick with both hands puts out his hand when Gugino appears to wave an object in front of the cop (appears to be Gugino's cell phone) - perhaps Gugino was filming and trying to get the cop's info on film?

The second cop barely touches Gugino, but does appear to make contact. As the cop's hand makes contact with Gugino's chest, Gugino was already stepping backward (apparently to avoid the cop's hand) he stumbles and falls backward, hitting his head on the sidewalk.

Hard to call this a "shove" as the momentum is all from Gugino stepping backward (but granted, he's moving in reverse to retreat from the cop's outstretched hand).

It doesn't appear to be a fake fall or injury as there is blood under his head.

People have said the cops just march past him - but the first cop with the nightstick starts to bend down to check Gugino, he's apparently stopped by a cop behind him who tells him to move on... BUT that same cop (apparently of a higher rank and thus giving orders) who tells the first one to move ahead gets on his radio and calls for medical help for Gugino. The audio parts of the film confirm this.

At first glance it looks really bad and callous, but under analysis, it's not quite as bad as it looks - the cops did not appear to be excessively violent or brutal, they did stop to get help for the man as an officer radios for medical aid immediately, but at the same time they were distracted with corralling other protesters which made it look like they just marched past the fallen man.

I thought a couple of the cops looked practically distraught after the man fell and they barely touched him. The old bastard is a clown amongst a sea of clowns for doing what he did, but I think they could've been a little more gentle with the old fella. As much as I enjoy seeing some of these people get roughed up, the police need to remember that hurting someone is not ok unless they're threatened.

Anyone see the guy who was bashing in a car window only to take a bullet from the driver? Definitely my favorite video of the day.

I have a hunch they feel quite threatened these days. The net is full of videos about these riots around the world and in my opinion, the police are using far too little force to stop them. It's almost like certain political groups want this to happen now, but that would be a conspiracy theory

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Personally I'd like them to build a huge fire in the Grand Canyon and throw most of these people in, but unfortunately I am aware that the police often use too much force. On the other hand, if you allowed the police to use more force then maybe crime would go down. I'm torn

3 years old but but I get a kick out of it every once in a while. I know which of these guys I trust more.

What the f*ck am I reading in this thread. This is embarrassing for this site.

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Then call it out, specifically. Oblique references aren't actionable, assuming there actually is something here that rises to the level of overt hate speech, which is what it would take for me to be "embarrassed." And if there is something like that, reporting it rather than gesturing to the thread as a whole would be the right way to respond.

But what is it that you disagree with? Everyone thinks the cop should be behind bars, but not everyone is going to think exactly the exact same way about the details, nor should they depending on their past experience.

My bad, I thought throwing people into a canyon of fire was bad, guess not.

Or someones favourite video was of a person being shot.

Or finding enjoyment over people being beaten.

Sorry, I don't like looters, rioters, and murderers.

Nah, that's bad. Hyperbole and euphemisms are a little less bad, though.

See above. A little glib, maybe, but that was about someone who had a random violent person come at them with a crowbar.

I mean, I thought burning buildings and endangering people was bad, too. If someone says they support the protests, should I take them to be indifferent to that? Or is the situation kind of complicated?

Regardless, your sarcasm is out of place, because I was not challenging you to find objectionable things: I was literally asking you to specify what you were talking about, since you basically gestured to something like four pages of posts and I have no idea which things you were even thinking of.

You seem to defend the cop enough.

The one I said was evil and should be in prison? That's not much of a defense.

Better than burning and shooting others.

Maybe not defend so much as...sympathize? Your posts are all about....but what about white people. Is that really what you want to add to this?

CR claiming All Lives Matter....yeah, no sh*t. No one is saying otherwise.

There is a little bit of sarcasm there. I had a wee bit of sympathy for the surviving Boston marathon bomber. Think of that what you may.

If you really understand what I've said, it has nothing to do with white people. My problems are with how things are portrayed and perceived. I don't care about white people any more than anyone else.

That's not how it is coming across, at least not to me.

It's not coming across that way to some, unfortunately, but then I don't know how much those some are trying to understand. The people who disagree haven't been very keen on explanation in general.

For example, I asked you something about black privilege and you just dismissed it as if I were being racist or silly, but there was a genuine question there.