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Spartacus or Gladiator which one was better for you?
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Spartacus and Gladiator. According to many film "experts" and other experienced moviegoers Spartacus is a better than Gladiator..

I really want to read your opinions why Spartacus > Gladiator

I think its mainly because of the dialogue - script...




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Stanley Kubrick's Spartacus.

As for why - It's just an all around better flick. I will watch gladiator, but it's just a 3 star film at best, to me. Some folks on the boards really like it, though...
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I think it's pretty obvious which one I prefer.

Besides just being prettier to look at, I found myself far more emotionally involved with its characters than I was with those in Spartacus.



I like both but am going with Gladiator... mainly because some of the scenes blew me away...
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I think that Gladiator is a solid film. I enjoyed it and recommend it as a viewing experience. I know others here (and Roger Ebert) think it's junk. My problems with it are that some of the battle scenes (especially near the beginning) are filmed way too darkly, the computer f/x are obvious and unlike others, I had no emotional investment in the story or characters, no matter how hard the film tried to pull me in. Even so, I think it's an entertaining film with a good cast.

This is copied from my mafo MoFo Top 100. I think it says how I feel about Spartacus, the film I voted for.

#149: Spartacus (Stanley Kubrick, 1960)



I just showed Spartacus to Sarah for the first time, so I had to explain all the behind-the-scenes trivia about the film and its restoration. I'm going to go into that later, but first I want to discuss the film itself. Spartacus is a lavish, epic film about a slave revolt against the Roman Empire some time before Julius Caesar became Emperor. Kirk Douglas, the executive producer, plays Spartacus as a very dignified slave who becomes the slave army's leader. The film is jam-packed with big name stars. Jean Simmons plays the lovely slave Varinia who becomes Spartacus' wife, Tony Curtis plays a "singer of songs" who wants to fight, Laurence Olivier and Charles Laughton play rival Roman senators, Peter Ustinov plays the jovial head of a gladiator school, and there are dozens of other recognizable names and faces playing smaller roles in the three-hour-plus film.



The film begins at the salt mines of Libya where Spartacus is purchased to train to become a gladiator. The subsequent scenes at the gladiatorial school have always been my favorite part of the film, especially the scenes involving the trainer (Charles McGraw), Spartacus' tender meeting of Varinia, and the high point of the entire film, the duel to the death with Draba (Woody Strode) before the patrician Crassus (Olivier), his protege Glabrus (John Dall) and their two lady companions (Nina Foch and Joanna Barnes). Later, after the slaves revolt, the film focuses on their attempt to leave Italy, and Rome's tactics to thwart them and stop the legend of Spartacus from snowballing into the heart of every single slave in the Empire.



Spartacus went through a lot of creative hassles to make it to the screen. First off, Kirk Douglas wanted to use blacklisted Dalton Trumbo for the script, and then he wanted to go ahead and credit Trumbo himself in the credits; when he did so, Douglas effectively broke the Black List in Hollywood. Then, western-veteran Anthony Mann was hired to direct, and he did direct the spectacular opening scenes in Libya, but he and Douglas had a falling out, so he was fired. Mann subsequently directed two gargantuan epics, El Cid and The Fall of the Roman Empire. Douglas went looking for a director and found one in Kubrick who had directed him in Paths of Glory. Kubrick was available because he was fired/had quit (depending on who says what) as director of Marlon Brando's One-Eyed Jacks. Kubrick directed the film but felt constricted because he didn't have his usual total sayso over the script, production, casting and final cut. Kubrick did actually shoot much of the film himself, although Russell Metty got the film credit and the Best Color Cinematography Oscar. Based on his experience with Spartacus, Kubrick moved to England to get away from Hollywood and to be able to make all his subsequent films with total control. Even so, Spartacus was a big critical and popular hit. The major naysayers were people like Hedda Hopper and John Wayne who called it Commie propaganda before it was ever screened.



Since Spartacus is seen by some viewers as less than a pure Kubrick film, a group of film buffs deign it to be less significant, entertaining and absorbing than his other films, but I've never understood that. I will admit that the film seems less "Kubrickian", but there are still some major Kubrick touches, and the film is compelling all the way through. One personal touch which I find the most moving in the film is the way Kubrick films the scenes of the simple people while Tony Curtis "sings" his song about going home. With the most beautiful part of the musical score playing in the background and Curtis's voice in the foreground, a series of naturalistically-photographed scenes are shown of babies and families resting and dreaming of returning home yet knowing that they still have a tough fight ahead of them. In fact, Kubrick reprises the mood and texture of this scene when Spartacus later walks through the camp the night before the biggest battle of the campaign while the camera tracks along with him. The people are all looking directly into Spartacus' eyes with hope, whether they're nine or ninety-years-old. That is pure Kubrick, and the fact that he probably shot those scenes himself (and I'd say it was obvious that he edited them too) makes them very Kubrickian for those who care.


One of the film's most moving scenes (no spoilers) - Darn! It's been removed

Another thing which is interesting to note while watching Spartacus is the way that after the opening scenes in Libya and some of the battle scenes, many of the scenes with the big name cast seem to be shot on sound stages while the humongous crowd scenes (usually sans the stars) are filmed on location. This was Kubrick's choice. He wanted to work with the actors on the sound stage so that he could have more control (this is a technique he shared with Hitchcock, among others). Sometimes, it may seem a bit odd or "phony" to modern viewers, but it works well enough in the movie. You don't really watch Spartacus thinking how phony it is. For one thing, the movie's cast most all give superlative performances, balancing the witty (Ustinov and Laughton, apparently benefitting from a rewrite of their scenes by Ustinov himself) with the sincere (Douglas, Curtis and Simmons) and the menacing (Olivier and McGraw). Spartacus is a film I loved as a little kid, and I enjoy it just as much now as an Old Fart.



One other thing to mention about Spartacus is its restoration in 1991 and release to theatres that year (I saw it on the Big Newport's gigantic screen). Many scenes of violence were restored, including the ones using actors with one arm made up to have a prosthetic arm chopped off, as well as extra blood and guts in a few scenes which were deemed "sickening" by the Legion of Decency at the time. However, the most significant of the restored scenes was the one where Laurence Olivier tried to seduce his servant Tony Curtis by using a snails and oysters analogy. The film's restorers had access to the images of the scene but the soundtrack had been lost and Laurence Olivier had already died. Tony Curtis could redub his own dialogue (mostly delivered in long shot), but it took a suggestion from Olivier's widow Joan Plowright to enable the scene to be restored. Plowright remembered that Anthony Hopkins did a perfect Olivier impression at a cocktail party, so she suggested him, he agreed and the voice you hear on the soundtrack is Sir Tony dubbing Lord Larry.
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Stanley Kubrick's Spartacus.

As for why - It's just an all around better flick. I will watch gladiator, but it's just a 3 star film at best, to me. Some folks on the boards really like it, though...
Sums up my thoughts, except I've seen gladiator enough, so I probably wouldn't watch it



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Yes. Actually, my brother, who's in the Society for Creative Anachronism, is the expert at that, at least of people I know. I can still remember him telling me about the beginning of Excalibur. He said that the armor was way too modern. Then, more importantly, he added, "I love that entire intro scene with the knights, horses, back lighting! I love that movie! Who cares about the flippin' armor?" I guess Uther and Igrayne cared about that "flap" in the armor more than anybody.



My answer to the question is Gladiator. The reason it was better for me is because it was the shorter of the two choices.

I enjoyed Gladiator more, but I think that Sparticus is, probably, the better film. As for emotional attatchment or caring for the characters? Never happen in either film, for me.



Spartacus and Gladiator. According to many film "experts" and other experienced moviegoers Spartacus is a better than Gladiator..

I really want to read your opinions why Spartacus > Gladiator

I think its mainly because of the dialogue - script...
don't know about the experts but my favorite is Gladiator!



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Spartacus is the richer film. The story is much longer, goes deeper, and is the way epics were once done. It seems epics today don't have the same large canvas -- as if filmmakers think we'd all get too bored too easily. Truth is, most modern filmgoers are rather ADHD....

Spartacus has a wonderful spine tingling moment -- when Tony Curtis stands and says, "I am Spartacus." I'll never forget the first time I saw that scene...ever....I remember crying.

BUT... .... I actually voted for Gladiator because the movie resonates with me in a very rare way. The movie is in my top ten. I don't think the film has the depth of Spartacus, but I still love it. I've seen it like 20 times. I know all the lines. The "I am Spartacus" moment is when Russell introduces himself to Commodous...."My name is Maximus Decmus Meridas...." I hold my breath every time he recites that speech.

I don't think it's the better film, but it's a film that resonates and Russell's performance is the reason. He blows me away in this movie and his character's journey to death fascinates me.



I like both... But Spartacus was a superior film, no doubt...

But I think I can watch Gladiator number of times & still enjoy it... I also love the music..
But Tony Scott kind of ruined the music for me, when he had a similar thing in Man On Fire.

Spartacus was the first Kubrick film I saw... also the first film of it's kind that got me interested in it's genre..

But I'll go with Gladiator, coz I can watch it multiple times & still enjoy it even more..

But if it was Ben Hur vs Gladiator, I would have gone with Ben Hur.



I've seen both. Actually Spartacus is one of the few swords and sandals movies I've seen that I don't like. I'd sooner rewatch Caligula.