I was basically asking if you guys think one of them would beat Clinton... Initially, I thought Trump was the best choice because Clinton has been the perpetual candidate for so long, and Trump would have been a wild card to win, and if he lost, big deal, he wasn't a politician in the first place, paving the way for someone else in 2020.
Donald Trump for President?
A 19 year old, in oval office. But hey when you're the president they let you do it
Is the fact that he was impeached for lying to congress a smear?
And Bill and Hillary were being stand up Americans when they almost convinced the American public that Bills accusers were legally insane
Is the fact that he was impeached for lying to congress a smear?
And Bill and Hillary were being stand up Americans when they almost convinced the American public that Bills accusers were legally insane
Trump doesnt have Clintons genius (Rhodes Scholar), ability to communicate and bridge gaps at all. He might charm us with his adacious behavior and speech, but dont kid yourself to think thats going to sway world leaders or if hes called upon to quell a world crisis. Do you really think Donnie that Donald Trump could sell the Israeli Palestine peace accords?! Seriously?!
If shes elected Bill will be there just in case, and that gives me a sense of security. I dont have to like any of these people. I need to elect someone that can do it. The responsibilities of the Presidency is bigger than who I like or hate. I will not elect Trump because I strongly feel he is lacking, is not self-made like he himself thinks, and lives in a bubble of yesmen. Billionaires like him do. I cannot put my country in his hands for him, and us to learn the hard way.
I was basically asking if you guys think one of them would beat Clinton... Initially, I thought Trump was the best choice because Clinton has been the perpetual candidate for so long, and Trump would have been a wild card to win, and if he lost, big deal, he wasn't a politician in the first place, paving the way for someone else in 2020.
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And I don't think those other people would have beat her, no matter what these polls you read might have said.
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You mean in terms of winning the election, or governing?
Regardless: yes.
Regardless: yes.
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Tongo I'm not comparing them as politicians. I think Bill was a good president and don't care about either sexual tendencies.
My issue is the Clinton campaign making a huge fuss of this stupid Pussy video, where it's literally there main talking point when Bill was actually a sexual predator. And the fact that supporters buy this crap up is even worse.
All I'm comparing, not politics
My issue is the Clinton campaign making a huge fuss of this stupid Pussy video, where it's literally there main talking point when Bill was actually a sexual predator. And the fact that supporters buy this crap up is even worse.
All I'm comparing, not politics
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Technically, nobody can prove a counterfactual, but the evidence is awfully strong: Trump's made tons of clear strategic mistakes, been caught in all sorts of ridiculous lies, and has historically high unfavorable numbers...and he still might be within a few points of her. Seems obvious, then, that anyone even remotely competent (or remotely moderate, or even remotely boring) would've won.
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I don't know too much how these polls are conducted, but as it's probably been mentioned I think that people will be more likely to vote for Trump when it comes to getting to the ballot box than being willing to admit they support him in a survey/phone call. I remember a couple of weeks before the EU referendum vote, Leave went head to head, a point ahead or behind, which seemed to give people a wake up call, and then over the last couple of weeks Remain took back its lead to something like 5%. Leave was something like a 13/1 bet on the day of the vote, and ended up winning 52/48. I honestly think these two campaigns share a lot of similarities in the public and media attitudes towards them, so I'm really interested to see what the result will be in this election, it's been good following it, especially with so many people involved in these threads around here.
Though I think that pools try to correct that bias by asking only people who have a desire to vote and not completely random people.
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My issue is the Clinton campaign making a huge fuss of this stupid Pussy video, where it's literally there main talking point when Bill was actually a sexual predator. And the fact that supporters buy this crap up is even worse.
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Hell no. Some boring, ordinary Republican guy is not going to block the first woman president from happening.
Trump's personality is why he has such a strong fanbase and why he's the biggest threat to Clinton.
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I do think that just about any of the other republican candidates would have beaten Clinton. For good or for bad, Trump stood out during the debates. Instead of every man for themselves, it was more like him against them with them splitting the votes. If any one of them were facing Clinton, she would be the one standing out, but for her bad traits. The fact that so many talk of the two terrible candidates tells you all you need to know.
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His unfavorables say differently. If you want to believe everyone's lying about their opinions of him, then I can't really say anything to persuade you otherwise. But if someone who most people dislike still has a chance of winning, it stands to reason that someone less hated probably would've won.
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If any one of them were facing Clinton, she would be the one standing out, but for her bad traits.
Would they have been able to withstand a beating the way Trump can? Trump is called a sexist, a rapist, a bully, more evil than any other evil person we know of -- and he just smiles and goes, "BUT LOOK AT WHAT HILLARY CLINTON HAS DONE!"
Someone else would cry and apologize and say, "Here Hillary, you clearly deserve the Presidency more than me." Not Trump. And that's what's so spectacular about him.
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Oh, I absolutely agree that he's appealing to people other Republicans wouldn't have. I just think he's losing far more in the process.
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Ehh I've met more Bernie dems that aren't voting for Hillary than Republicans not voting for trump
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I recently went to a Bernie Sanders rally on my campus (a very liberal one). There were tons of Hillary for Prison shirts, other signs mocking Hillary, Jill Stein signs. Nothing pro-Hillary, college kids hate the b*tch.
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Ehh I've met more Bernie dems that aren't voting for Hillary than Republicans not voting for trump
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Ehh I've met more Bernie dems that aren't voting for Hillary than Republicans not voting for trump
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