Is Hollywood's decline irreversible?

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I have been noticing that the quality of Hollywood's movies has been declining over the past 20 years. It has been over 15 years since Hollywood made a movie that I rated 10/10 (There Will be Blood) and all recent releases have left me a bit disappointed. I think that is because talent is now being allocated to other fields like TV and videogames. Maybe the 2 hours movie is obsolete and will slowly die out like realistic painting?



I personally do not believe that. Movie periods have gone through slumps before and bounced back and will probably go through slumps in the coming years. It all depends on an individual's taste in film. There are people I know who have never and will never go to a movie theater.



The decline of humanity is inevitable, thus anything that is made by humans is also unavoidably going to decline



Hasn't Hollywood been in a decline since it started?
It's been more of a rollercoaster ride, imho



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I gave up on Hollywood in 2017. I've only seen a few of the most acclaimed releases since and they still basically sucked. Personally I could care less what Hollywood does, to me it's a computerized assembly line that churns out soulless movies. There I said 'movies'.



I feel like at this point, even the expression ‘Hollywood’ is meaningless. Is the US film industry in decline? I don’t think so. Are big-budget films increasingly awful? There’s something to that idea, but again, I wouldn’t be so categorical.



I was going to say I gave TÁR 5-stars. The States are the country of origin, it was backed by US production companies based in the Hollywood area, and directed by an Amercian - though honestly, it's more an international film, mostly shot in Germany, with scenes in Thailand and the US, your actors are Australian, German, French, British... so, a melting pot.

But there's still some good coming out of the country, I liked Old Henry and The Holdovers for example, and though Wes is in decline (or maybe I've finally gotten tired of the style), I loved Moonrise Kingdom. Plus, Scorsese and PTA are still directing mature, quality motion pictures. So, it's not dead yet. In irreversible decline? I don't know, are there any young up-and-comers, directors, screenwriters, to help keep it afloat for the next generation?



I was going to say I gave TÁR 5-stars. The States are the country of origin, it was backed by US production companies based in the Hollywood area, and directed by an Amercian - though honestly, it's more an international film, mostly shot in Germany, with scenes in Thailand and the US, your actors are Australian, German, French, British... so, a melting pot.

But there's still some good coming out of the country, I liked Old Henry and The Holdovers for example, and though Wes is in decline (or maybe I've finally gotten tired of the style), I loved Moonrise Kingdom. Plus, Scorsese and PTA are still directing mature, quality motion pictures. So, it's not dead yet. In irreversible decline? I don't know, are there any young up-and-comers, directors, screenwriters, to help keep it afloat for the next generation?
Yes, Tár was something.



I hope so.



Hasn't Hollywood been in a decline since it started?
I think Hollywood's quality peaked over the 20-year period from 1965 to 1985.

Over that period, it produced a huge number of classic movies. Compare the classics from that era with the stuff it produced over the last 15 years. While good movies are still made today, back in the 1970s good movies were far more common.



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I think it started going down in the 80s so I just focus on the previous decades.. I loved "There Will Be Blood" but one great movie in almost 20 years is nothing. I could think back to any year from the 60s, 70s, or before, and each year had a handful of great movies.



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No.
It’s all subjective, regardless. No films rated 10/10 in over 10 years according to whom?
It’s fine, there is plenty to find that is worth raving about, such as the already mentioned T’ar.
I loved Past Lives and American Fiction as well



I keep thinking about Hollywood all dressed for a night on the town, then making a wrong turn onto a particular Parisian pedestrian underpass...



My perception is that in the last decade or so, documentary films have began to dominate amongst the best films made:
The Look of Silence 2014 Indonesia Joshua Oppenheimer (documentary)
Virunga 2015 UK Orlando von Einsiedel (documentary)
Apollo 11 2019 USA Todd Douglas Miller (documentary)
Diego Maradona 2019 UK Asif Kapadia (documentary)
Fire of Love 2022 France Sara Dosa (documentary)
Whitney Houston: A Concert For A New South Africa 2024 USA Pat Houston (documentary)

Of non-documentaries, most of the films I think are the best are in black and white!
The Master 2012 USA Paul Thomas Anderson
Frances Ha 2012 USA Noah Baumbach B&W
La La Land 2016 USA Damien Chazelle
Embrace of the Serpent 2016 Colombia Ciro Guerra B&W
Roma 2018 Mexico Alfonso Cuarón B&W
The Lighthouse 2019 USA Robert Eggers B&W

Prior to that period, the only B&W I have since 1970 are:
Killer of Sheep 1977 USA Charles Burnett
Stranger Than Paradise 1984 USA Jim Jarmusch

Then I also have the following kind of knocking around the fringes:
Je, Tu, Elle, Il 1974 France Chantal Akerman
Kings of the Road 1975 Germany Wim Wenders

The American movies (non-documentary) I rate this century are:
Donnie Darko 2001
Mulholland Drive 2001
Sideways 2004
No Country for Old Men 2007
Wall-E 2008
There Will be Blood 2008
Inglourious Basterds 2009
The Master 2012
Frances Ha 2012
Django Unchained 2012
Argo 2012
Drive 2012
Nightcrawler 2014
La La Land 2016
Arrival 2016
You Were Never Really Here 2017
The Lighthouse 2019

So 16 movies in the first 17 years, but only 1 in the last 7.



That's fair. So it ebbs and flows?
I would agree with this.

There have been periods previously where American cinema was non dominant, most notably the 1960s.

I have the periods of American dominance as something like:
1932-1955
1971-1987
1995-2001
2007-2014

it will come again.



Hollywood has always been a series of shifts and eras. In the 30's comedy was king, in 70's it was the era of the auteur, now it's the law of genre. Horror, Animation, and IP characters are king. We don't have movie stars and star directors anymore...that's not a bad thing and it's also not a forever thing. Hollywood goes where the money goes.


Also...2026 might be the year of the monthly billion dollar movie



I mean, this is kinda like the second coming of Jesus where every generation says "it's coming! it's coming!" but is it really? I'm pretty sure people in the 30s and 60s and 80s have said the same thing about Hollywood, and I just don't think that's the case. Things change, sure, but so do we. Plus there's always tons of great stuff to watch and find, if you look hard enough.
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I mean, this is kinda like the second coming of Jesus where every generation says "it's coming! it's coming!" but is it really? I'm pretty sure people in the 30s and 60s and 80s have said the same thing about Hollywood, and I just don't think that's the case. Things change, sure, but so do we. Plus there's always tons of great stuff to watch and find, if you look hard enough.
A decline isn't just about a loss of quantity or quality, but also patterns of life, production, distribution, and consumption. The assumptions underwriting the supremacy of Hollywood have been on the decline for a long time.

We've Balkanized. Must See TV was really a thing when there were only three broadcast stations. Likewise, films as cultural events were much more common when the only way to see something really new was to go to the local theater. Now there are a endless platforms with streams of content. We're no longer reliably herding at Hollywood's old watering holes.

We've gone international. The geographic primacy of Hollywood is gone. Places like Toronto lured productions there with tax breaks. Production is much more international. It's no longer Hollywood predominating global markets with American products. Bollywood is its own thing. Increasingly we're see films made in Korea for Koreans, and it is the Americans who are being exposed to foreign products and consuming them.

We've democratized the means of production. You can make a competent movie with a high quality cell phone. Editing, colorization, suites of off-the-rack SXF, sound production, etc., now all fit on a common laptop computer. The real limitation today is having a story to tell, the talent to tell it, and the good luck to distribute it (because there's a lot of people in the marketplace now). This has demythologized Hollywood as the magic kingdom.

We're increasingly watching alone on our phones. This impacts aspect-ratio, slicing up the product segment more violently than the old rift between 4:3 and 16:9 did. Vertical video is a much different framing with a radically different aesthetic which requires more information (which the original camera did not collect) if you try to zoom out). And which crops out damned near everything purposes included in the original shot if you zoom in. Pick your poison. Stuff made for TikTok is purpose-made for the phone. And people are always on their mother-loving phones now. We're pod people. We got snatched decades ago. Because we're watching more and more on our phones, content is becoming more fragmented. It is the Twitter-zation of videographic content. Most stuff on YouTube was short to begin with, but the shift to our phones has caused YouTube to desperately push creators to make "shorts" that are only a few minutes long and in a vertical orientation so people have something to watch in a stolen moment "on the go." A lot of people are not consuming films, but film summaries.

In short, the monopoly is over. Hollywood could herald the return of filmic Jesus, but it wouldn't really matter that much. It cannot really matter in the larger pattern. Even if you suddenly got great directors making great films, even if Hollywood was not desperately going for gaudy spectacles featuring men in capes to get butts in seats, the game has changed, baby. We no longer worship in the old temple.