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Wait Until Dark was the best Hitchcock film, Hitchcock never made. Based on a play this one room horror film tells the story of multiple characters searching for a doll filled with heroin.



Hepburn plays a newly blind woman who's husband is going off to take photographs for the weekend. She's then confronted by a pair of con-men who are trying to get her to tell her where the doll is. They believe it's in a safe and they spend quite a bit of time trying to convince Hepburn to open the safe.


As a time killer you couldn't find a better one, basically you get this classic crime caper for the first half and than a horror film for the second one. Having seen all the nominees from this year I would have given Hepburn the Oscar, it's a magnificent performance. I particularly enjoyed the scene when she discovers Mike is a conman.



Call Me By Your Name

A movie that takes place in a beautiful serene setting, the countryside of northern Italy...where the living is easy, and one can relax, soaking up the sun and enjoying the idyllic nature of the setting. It seems almost dream like, and that's what I think people respond to. But, if you think about the story premise, it's very similar to the real events that brought Kevin Spacey's career to a tumbling halt. At the heart of the story is a fantasy that pedophilia is OK. We have a 17 year old boy who's seduced by a much older man who's very worldly and in control, he's a player and pushes the right buttons to get the boy to fall for him. When he's done with the boy he goes back to his life and gets engaged to be married. For him it was a sexual conquest, but for the boy it was emotionally heart breaking.

I can respect a film like Moonlight, as it seemed like a personal story of a gay youth growing up to deal with the harsh world he was born to. But with Call Me By Your Name, it propagandas us to think older men having relations with minors is OK. It does this mostly at the end of the movie when the boy's father not only approves of the relationship with an adult but admits to wishing he had such a relationship when he was young. In this way the film is like Woody Allen's Manhattan, where a much older Woody has a sexual relationship with a underage teen girl...and no one in the film questions the morality of having sex with a juvenile, which would be illegal. Both films present the film makers fantasy. I wonder if Kevin Spacey finds it odd that Call Me By Your Name earned an Academy Award nomination for best picture, whilst he gets fired from his acting jobs?

For reference here's an excerpt from my review of Manhattan:



Manhattan
(1979)



Woody Allen's masturbatory ode to himself...a film that has become seminal in the annals of celebrated and obscure film reviewers around the world...Yes Virginia, there's life outside of Manhattan, but one wonders if Woody is aware of anything outside of his own existence. Nay make that outside of his own fantasies.


For all the cinematic artistry, Manhattan plays out like one of Woody's personal fantasies, that's his auteur's stamp. Woody Allen is Isaac a successful but neurotic New York intellectual who's magnetic to women and despite looking like a peeping tom, manages to marry a young and beautiful Meryl Streep, who we find out turns lesbian and divorces Isaac. The 43 year old then has a fling with a 17 year old played by Mariel Hemingway also 17 in real life at the time of filming.


The much older man involved with a teenage girl could have had so many possibilities for exploration with this taboo theme. Woody, who wrote this film could have shown the relationship as having some type of consequences or made some type of statement.

But instead the movie presents the friends of Isaac (Woody Allen) as having no real objections to a relationship that would be considered pedophile-ism in the real world and could result in statuary rape charges. But no, not here in Woody's make believe world. Woody the person, wants to bring his fantasy to life and so has the characters readily accepting his strange love.

And that's one of the weak points of Manhattan...it fails to explore this relationship and it's consequences. In fact none of the relationships seem to say much about anything, they just simply happen so that Woody can hang his intellectual name dropping script onto the back of the actors.





it propagandas us to think older men having relations with minors is OK. ...and no one in the film questions the morality of having sex with a juvenile, which would be illegal.
In most countries the age of consent is actually 17 (Elio's age). So while you can say the age gap is creepy and have a discussion about it, you can't say it promotes illegal and immoral lifestyles.

This film and the Woody Allen situation are totally different. What Allen did in real life was super immoral and illegal. What Arnie Hammer does in this film is legal.



I didn't find the relationship between Oliver and Elio to be predatory at all, nor would I say that Oliver "seduced" Elio. The attraction was clearly mutual and Elio was the first to make any overtly sexual move. I think the context of the film needs to be considered, too. It's one of many films centering around a summer fling that happened overseas, which are typically short lived. It also takes place in the 1980s and being in an openly homosexual relationship then carried more risks than it does today.

Also, eighteen being a legal age of consent is not universal among all countries. It's not even universal among U.S. states (in some states, it's as young as 16), so the claim that the relationship is illegal may be completely unfounded.



I don't care anything about legal age; I was uncomfortable with the relationship and I believe it is wrong. I'm in the area of my 30's and I think it would be creepy for me to go with a 21yo girl (unless I was drunk). Still, I think it's important to remember that others have different beliefs. It certainly wouldn't stop me from enjoying the movie, especially when many of my favorite characters are murderers, rapists, or child diddlers. I think it was supposed to be borderline, a forbidden romance so to speak, forbidden because not everyone would be ok with it. I thought the movie was a success.



I don't care anything about legal age; I was uncomfortable with the relationship and I believe it is wrong. I'm in the area of my 30's and I think it would be creepy for me to go with a 21yo girl (unless I was drunk).
I wasn't personally bothered by the age difference, but I do understand that some people would be, and I'm okay with that. However, I object to it being called pedophilia as if the difference of a few months (when Elio would turn 18) would actually be somehow substantial and significant. I also object to the assumption that the relationship would have been illegal.



I bet the film makers set the film in Italy, so that they could show a 17 year old legally having relations with an adult. The way the two actors look in the movie, the 17 year old is skinny and young looking and looks more like 15 kid to me, while the older guy looks like a man who's close to 30. I made the same observation in Manhattan too. Both films seem to want to show a fantasy of an adult with a juvenile. And both movies have the other characters acting as if an adult with a teen is normal.



I bet the film makers set the film in Italy, so that they could show a 17 year old legally having relations with an adult.
They could have set it in the state of Washington and achieved the same thing.

That's where you live, right?



Perfume: The Story of a Murderer


I didn't really know anything about this going in, but I had the perception that it was a historical biopic about a serial killer. That sounded good to me, but it turned out differently. I don't know if any part of this story is true, but if it is, it must have been altered dramatically. I liked how the movie started, and I actually thought the beginning was quite dark and disturbing. It quickly developed into what I thought was fantasy, and unfortunately that's something I struggle with. I just thought much of this was ridiculous and I couldn't buy into it. Part of that was because of the story and part of it was because of the performances. I thought the lead severely lacked menace and charisma. What great bad guy lacks those qualities? Another thing before I forget; did they all speak English in France back then? I'm not going to complain about that because it's not something I've ever noticed or complained about before. Quills came to mind as an example, and I also thought of Quills because I think Joaquin Phoenix would have been great in the lead role here. Anyway, I do think some authenticity is lost with the movie being in English. Or, maybe I was just searching for something. Back to the acting; while I thought the lead was uninspiring, I absolutely hated hated hated Dustin Hoffman in this. He is one of my all time favorite actors, and he probably had as good a 20 year stretch as any actor ever. Fast forward to the present, and I don't think he's done anything noteworthy in many years. I feel like modern film has passed him by, or he's taking the wrong roles, or something, because I'm just not seeing him the same way. I thought he looked ridiculous, like some kind of weird hobbit, but really all I saw was Dusty Dustin in some awful makeup. Alan Rickman wasn't brilliant but he at least suited the role. The ending to the movie dragged out and I thought it was goofy. Despite all that I hated about the movie, I didn't hate the movie as a whole. There were some very good moments and I liked the locations and filming. It's well made. Sorry, but overall it wasn't for me. Gentleman's rating-




They could have set it in the state of Washington and achieved the same thing.

That's where you live, right?
I always thought it was 18 all over America. Don't strippers have to be at least 18? What about Nevada Escorts? It seems strange to me.



I always thought it was 18 all over America. Don't strippers have to be at least 18? What about Nevada Escorts? It seems strange to me.
Apparently not. It varies from state to state and in some cases the law is different depending on whether the younger person is male or female and depending on the age of the older party. According to LegalMatch.com, "Federal law makes it criminal to engage in a sexual act with another person who is between the age of 12 and 16 if they are at least four years younger than you."

I don't know about the particulars regarding strippers and escorts.



Women will be your undoing, Pépé
Perfume: The Story of a Murderer (2006)

This is my second watch of this (the first one was around the time it came out) and I had already read the book before watching the film. My opinion pretty much holds up. It's rare of me to like a movie adaptation of any book I like and this is one of the most honourable exceptions.

What I liked the most was how they made you imagine feel the smells. In the book it's quite easier to do than on film but I think they succeeded here!
The atmosphere in general is exactly what I think it should be: dark and gritty but always with some kind of hidden sensuality, and that's praise to a very solid cinematography.
The acting is quite good, I kinda like the main character and of course Dustin Hoffman, which never hits a wrong note! I also loved the sountrack!!

And of course, there's that last scene which is always a great one to revisit!

Very happy to hear that this holds up to the novel and yes, it is amazing how they pull off creating scents visually. It's one of the things I so truly love about this film.

And I had a strong feeling you'd enjoy the opening of Perfume, @cricket and didn't expect it to hold out for the rest of the film.



They could have set it in the state of Washington and achieved the same thing.

That's where you live, right?
Yup Washington, where 16 is legal apparently and so is marijuana!

I remember we had a female teacher here that got in trouble for having under age sex with a student. I think her name is something like Mary Kay Layterno (I'm sure the last name is spelled wrong). I think the student was 14 at the time? Though he looked at lot older.



Yup Washington, where 16 is legal apparently and so is marijuana!

I remember we had a female teacher here that got in trouble for having under age sex with a student. I think her name is something like Mary Kay Layterno (I'm sure the last name is spelled wrong). I think the student was 14 at the time? Though he looked at lot older.
When it's a boy and an older female, it's ok.



When it's a boy and an older female, it's ok.
hmm....

Mary Kay Letourneau-Fualaau is an American former schoolteacher who pleaded guilty to two counts of felony second-degree rape of a child, her 12-year-old student, Vili Fualaau. While awaiting sentencing, she gave birth to Fualaau's child. She later married him and they're still married.





Mr Freedom (William Klein, 1968)
Imdb

Date Watched: 5/31/18
Cinema or Home: Home
Reason For Watching: 16th MoFo Hall of Fame, nominated by @Siddon
Rewatch: No


Mr. Freedom is certainly a film with something to say about the violence, racism, hypocrisy, and self-aggrandizing of the stereotypical American and the Red, White, and Blue blinders he wears when it comes to the rest of the world - and I can respect that. I can also respect the work that went into the film's creation.

However, the cartoonish delivery of its commentary on the subject was too extreme for me to enjoy it and its novelty wore off long before the end credits rolled.