The Veg*nism Thread

You could have Googled it yourself -

of or relating to moral principles or the branch of knowledge dealing with these.

If you dont want to eat fish Omni thats fine. Dont take a stance of ethics against someone that does though.

Woo... ummm...

Well, I never had any problems going vegan overnight. Just cut off buying non-vegan stuff one day and just finished what was left in the fridge. My seamless experience with it is a big reason I really rankle at people who complain about it being "too hard" or say their cravings cause them to fall off the boat.

I'm a LONGTIME cheese-eater and cheese is considered to be near addictive in some circles. I used to love homemade cheese burritos and going vegan effectively ended my relationship with my favorite food: pineapple pizza calzones.

So when people say they miss it too much or they can't give it up or they "can't imagine" it, it really annoys me because it tells me that that person has extremely poor willpower. And people who let themselves be pushed around or become subservient to the status quo because "it's too hard to be different" thoroughly repel me as human beings.

This perspective invades the rest of my life and is exactly why I'm typing up this message on a Dvorak keyboard.

Granted, I had the advantage of already being vegetarian before I went vegan, but the real issue for people, which several have brought up already, is that they simply don't understand how simple it is to cut out the dairy and meat strata of the food pyramid.


If they're concerned about their health they can look it up, nowadays, with the internet they have no excuse not to do it right.


Moving on, I've been heckled for being veg*n my whole life, ever since kindergarten people have made fun of me for not eating meat or not going to church or not subscribing to some other thing in their lives they just assumed must be important.

I can see why a lot of people would crumble under the pressure, but for me it was always a simple matter: that first time you look at your cat and think about the fact that people think it's okay to eat him and many of the other animals like him, it just never sat with me. So it's always been a simple cost/benefit analysis: Do I want to appease these people making fun of me? Or do I want to hate myself?

There's no contest.

Nowadays my biggest issue is with other veg*ns, honestly. There's the problem as I've described with freeganism, there's the daunting number of veg*ns who forfeit their veg*nism at the desert island scenario, and altogether, I just don't give a **** about what they give a **** about.

They cook, I don't.
They garden, I don't.
They keep pets, I don't.
They perform activism and WRITE ME OFF for not sacrificing my life for the cause, that's not how it works, I don't buy into compulsive charity, I have no moral obligation to empty my pockets at the sight of a homeless person on the side of the street.

I have my own ways of provoking change. I like movies, I like video games, I like music, I have a ton of hobbies that are totally neglected in those sorts of communities and that's why I'm here.

I most certainly will, now let's see what you've ultimately said here:

Eating fish is ethical.

is now

Eating fish is relating to moral principles or the branch of knowledge dealing with these.

Try again.

Actually you need to try again cause youre to busy trying to twist my words rather than communicate. There is nothing ethically wrong in eating fish. So try again.

Not even remotely. There is arrogance in the assumption, there is humility in the concession.

Don't lie, you know there's no twisting of words here, I'm asking you point-blank to explain what you mean. Define "ethically wrong".

If you can't define it then there's nothing preventing me from saying "kicking babies is ethical."

How is eating fish unethical?

It's killing a living animal?

No, it's eating a (presumably) dead animal.

It's killing a living animal?

that's a lot to take in! I was specifically interested in the part of your statement about considering yourself freegan and how that works in your life - I mean do you forage for food for example?

but going back to your reply, well done for being able to cut out non vegan foods in one fell swoop, that's good strength of will - specially cheese! I know I'd be struggling with cheese . Some people do struggle I know that and people do have willpower issues, it's part of being a human being, but it is harsh to say they repel you Omni

Please don't take this as a criticism,

it's just an observation on the language you're using but there seems to be a lot of you against the world in your writings, I just wonder what kind of community you live in? Looking around me in my culture and community I don't feel that it's any business of mine to comment on what other people eat or think it's any damn business of theirs what I eat, and I actually think no one really gives a stuff. I'm thinking if we can just eat more food made from scratch and not processed into crap we'd all be better off.

Being a vegan or a vegetarian or going to church or not going to church doesn't seem to be something that's a reason to dislike or criticise other people for.

I do think the desert island scenario is pretty funny really. I defy people who say they know how they would act. People can talk about such things till the cows come home, but until they are there and then in life threatening circumstances, I'm not having it that there's any certainties.

Let me know about the freegan thing in your life tho as it's pretty interesting - not the vegans forfeiting their lifestyle when faced with free goods, I'm not interested in them, that's up to them I don't care. I'm more interested in people who have negotiated deals with supermarkets to take excess food instead of wasting it. People who use food beyond sell by dates, stuff like that.

Why do you think killing of an animal is wrong? Where do your ethics originate?

If its a matter of physical health then you know there isnt anything wrong health-wise to eating fish. Red and white meat I couldnt say that.

No, it's eating a (presumably) dead animal.

Not if you're the dude in Oldboy!

So, you're simply arguing, it's okay to do something bad, as long as it benefits yourself?

That has been killed because people want to eat them.

Isn't telling us dillusional theists that our illusions of being created by a greater power for a purpose is hog wash but then telling us we should use our superior position to help all living creatures a little hypocritical. Those two thoughts seem to be at odds with each other.

Not at all, Im simply stating theres nothing ethically wrong in eating fish. Meaning to eat a fish isnt bad.

Yes, my ethics are similar to this. But a vegetable does not have a life like an animal. We are talking about beings that think, beings that feel, they have nervous systems and such.

They might not act the same as humans but I'm pretty sure they do feel pain, and they are aware of what's going on. Some fish are extremely intelligent. Omnizoa has already covered all these arguments and questions anyway.

And I just explained how it is ethically bad. It is eating something that has been deliberately killed, deprived off its life and freedom for your own non essential benefit.