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Ok, KISS has talent, you may think I'm just baised (sp?) but I'm not really that much, they do have talent. Peter Criss used to have talent, but drugs ruined him. On ALIVE he does very well IMO, Ace Frehley is the exact same, great guitarist in the 70's, lost talent in the 90's after the drugs. Paul Stanley is IMO a very underrated guitarist and amazing singer, Simmons is a talented bassist, no not as good as say, maybe Victor Wooten or John Paul Jones, but he's talented. And I agree with Garrett, technical skills doesn't make the band totally what it is, but it somewhat matters to me, and when people say they don't have skill aggravates me because if people heard some of the songs, they'd change their mind. Zeppeiln is the best, but KISS is my 2nd fav. band so I must stick up for them. AC/DC is also great, but their riffs really all sound the same. Sure I can tell the difference on the songs, but when it's all in the same key and stuff it gets rather dull. But I still love the band. So my point being, if you don't like KISS, that's perfectly fine, but to say they don't have talent is just plain wrong because they have it up the butt. Especially Eric Carr and Bruce Kulick.
P.S. the "upp the butt" statement was not to be taken in a sexual manner.