The MoFo Top 100 of the 1970s: Countdown

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Ugh, I did not see anything funny about MASH. It's boring even compared to most of Altman's other things, and 80% of the time his films are plain. There's plenty of people who seem to agree that it's not a funny film, but I guess the lovers managed to get it on the list. Haven't seen Mean Streets, yet.
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There's been some discussion of MASH on the boards in recent weeks and I know it has been divisive here at MoFo, so without rehashing all of that, suffice to say that I think it is great, entirely rewatchable and funny, and it is the fourth title from my own list to make the top hundred. I had it as my number nineteen pick, joining Breaking Away (#13), Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (#17), and The Man Who Would Be King (#10).

And if you're wondering how a degenerated movie like Altman's could have reached a position of responsibility in the Movie Forums Top 100 of the 1970s, it was drafted. By twelve of us. MASH was on twelve ballots, with two top ten votes (a third and a fifth placer). Martin Scorsese's Mean Streets was also on a dozen ballots with two top ten votes (eighth and ninth place), but eeked out one more overall point.


Both MASH and Mean Streets are examples of two filmmakers finally able to fully spread their artistic wings, and both of those films are chock full of the techniques, themes, and actors that would populate their work for the rest of the decade, if not their entire careers. Altman's sound design, overlapping dialogue, use of the anamorphic widescreen frame, the large ensemble, and improvisational style of MASH are all revolutionary, whether you dig the resulting film or not. Mean Streets has so much of the innovative camera movement and editing, use of pop and rock on the soundtrack often in ironic juxtaposition to the tension and violence on screen, and acting and characters that are a melding of the Italian Neo-Realist and Actors Studio sensibilities into something all his own that were such a hallmark of Marty's cinema.

Of course, your mileage may vary.

Anyway, that's it for the double digit point earners. It's a hundred and up from here, Fellows! That's the high country.


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Seen both. Didn't like MASH, and I'm glad that Mean Streets is ranked higher thanks to the one point that I gave it.



A little disappointed that this means some of the lesser Altman films like Brewster McCloud, Images and California Split probably won't make it now
Well, if by your own admission they are lesser films...

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Two early films from two filmmaking GIANTS. I've seen and liked both of them and one of them even made my list!

MASH's reputation on this forum is pretty ambiguous as it clearly has its strong amount of fans, but also a couple of people who really don't like it. Obviously, I'm one of the fans. It was the second Altman film I watched (a little over a year ago, I think) and partly because I enjoyed it so much, I quickly started watching some more films of Robert Altman, who I now consider as one of my favorite directors of all time.
It's just one of those awesome, free-spirited movies from the early '70s. It's wild and it's fun, but it's also darkly melancholic at the same time. The film only gets better the more you watch it (just like most Altman films). It's a great film with a very rich palette of qualities to it. It was #19 on my personal top 25.
This song, written by Altman's son for this film, also had a great impact on me after my first watch:



Mean Streets is a very good early effort from Martin Scorsese. It's pretty much his break-through film in a way. It showed the world the potential of Scorsese's filmmaking genius. In my opinion, it's not one of his very best films, but it has its moments of brilliance (the fighting scene at the pool tables, the gorgeous bar scenes) and it clearly showcases Scorsese's talent as a movie director. There's innovative camera work, bold editing and of course some very early performances from both Harvey Keitel and Robert DeNiro.
It lacks the sheer perfection (and of course budget) of some of Scorsese's later gangster films, like Goodfellas, but it's always great to see the work of a legend in development. The film also has a very personal feeling to it, which may compensate the limited budget and Scorsese's inexperience for some viewers. That's not entirely the case for me, but I'm glad to see that some people did take care of this film and made sure it would appear on this list.

SEEN: 9/24

100. Logan's Run -

98. Being There -

97. Fantastic Planet -
+
96. All That Jazz -
#12 on my list!
87. Saturday Night Fever -

84. The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie -

82. F for Fake -
#17 on my list!
78. MASH -
+ #19 on my list!
77. Mean Streets -
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I HATED the movie MASH.


But I LOVE Mean Streets! It is Scorsese's semi autobiographical break though movie that blends crime, Catholic guilt, and the use of popular music in his movies. Makes the first from my list. I had it at number 11. Now this will shock no one, I had another Scorsese movie on my list.

Seen: 8/24
List: 1



Mean Streets is my 3rd selection to make it; I had it at #14.

It seems like I usually hear people rave about De Niro in this movie, and I think he's great in it, but I've always felt it was Harvey Keitel's movie all the way. He shows an abundance of charisma and his character is cool as hell, while having conflicting loyalties regarding religion and friendship. I've wondered why De Niro and Keitel went in the directions they did after this movie; De Niro becoming the great lead actor, and Keitel the supporting one. Either way, they're 2 of my all time favorite actors in a movie from my favorite director. Of course I'm going to love it.

One of my biggest surprises during my 70's movie watching binge was how much I liked Robert Altman. Mash wasn't my favorite, but it was up there. I got the humor and loved the backdrop, but most of all, I loved the chemistry and shenaningans from the pair of Sutherland and Gould. They really made the movie for me.

This would have to be the most predictable and conventional pair so far. Both are well deserving of being on the countdown.

My list-
#3 Saturday Night Fever (87)
#14 Mean Streets (77)
#23 Straw Dogs (83)



I re-watched MASH last night funnily enough, excellent film. It didn't make my list, I'm hoping we'll see the one Altman film to make my list further down the road. I've never been particularly fond of Mean Streets to be honest.



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I think we'll see 3 more Altman films in this countdown.
All of them awesome and worthy. I think Coppola is King of the 70's but Altman was very close to claiming the crown.
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I think we'll see 3 more Altman films in this countdown.
That would leave out the one I voted for. It doesn't really surprise me though. At least I got to watch 5 movies from him that I really liked or loved, and it's thanks to this countdown.



Oh wait! I change my prediction: We'll see 4 more Altman films!
Is there enough fans of the fourth one though? I know Pussy Galore is one but we're starting to get to the real heavy hitters already.



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I think three. I will bet you a Altman movie Cob.
Actually we shouldn't do that, I forgot your international. I will bet you MoFo pride.



I love Mash not because it's funny, but because it has a unique look at war (through irony) which ultimately illustrates us how ridiculous war is. Also Suicide is Painless is a GREAT song and the football scene at the end was hilarious. I had it at my #25

Mean Streets is pretty good, nothing to speiclal imo, but still a good film.
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Finally one of my picks. I had Mean Streets at 21. Sorry to dissapoint Cricket , but i thought Deniro was excellent as Johnny Boy. I've heard some complaints in the past that Johnny Boy was the same character he'd go on to play in later movies, but i completely disagree. Deniro played a tragic yet cocky and self destructive character here, which differs from alot of his later roles imo. Gunslinger put it best when he said it was Scorceses semi-autobiographical work, especially the catholic guilt part which seems alot more pertinent now since the problems that arose from him making The Last Temptation of Christ.

Also like Gunslinger i had another Scorcese film on my list



Finally one of my picks. I had Mean Streets at 21. Sorry to dissapoint Cricket , but i thought Deniro was excellent as Johnny Boy. I've heard some complaints in the past that Johnny Boy was the same character he'd go on to play in later movies, but i completely disagree. Deniro played a tragic yet cocky and self destructive character here, which differs from alot of his later roles imo. Gunslinger put it best when he said it was Scorceses semi-autobiographical work, especially the catholic guilt part which seems alot more pertinent now since the problems that arose from him making The Last Temptation of Christ.

Also like Gunslinger i had another Scorcese film on my list
Quite! Otherwise they will know Boxcar Bertha were our number ones!



Finally one of my picks. I had Mean Streets at 21. Sorry to dissapoint Cricket , but i thought Deniro was excellent as Johnny Boy. I've heard some complaints in the past that Johnny Boy was the same character he'd go on to play in later movies, but i completely disagree. Deniro played a tragic yet cocky and self destructive character here, which differs from alot of his later roles imo. Gunslinger put it best when he said it was Scorceses semi-autobiographical work, especially the catholic guilt part which seems alot more pertinent now since the problems that arose from him making The Last Temptation of Christ.

Also like Gunslinger i had another Scorcese film on my list
I thought De Niro was great too; I just thought Keitel was the more dominant force in the movie, and doesn't get the credit in it that he deserves.