23rd MoFo Hall of Fame

Lilya 4-Ever tied for 3rd place, here's a link if anyone wants to read the reviews 10th HoF

I just read my review of Lilya and my reaction was 180 from Christina F.

Call it a hunch, but I suspect you might have hung out with a different sort of crowd than Christiane did.

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While I haven't heard of any issues with heroin in particular, plenty of high school kids here get hooked on oxy. It's not the same drug, but they become addicts nonetheless and end up at the same methadone clinics. The couple of people I know who had opioid addictions didn't have any real reason to start using, they were just bored and it was available. Sometimes that's all it takes.

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Also, it's not like it was a direct leap for Christiane to go from being an innocent kid to shooting up heroin. She started with pills.

They are not even comparable, addiction is a disease that takes over your life.

Well, it's comparable in the sense that in the majority of cases the people in question take the drugs themselves and they weren't addicts when they did it the first time.

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Sure but you usually don't think you are going to become addicted and people get addicted to legal but harmful things such as prescription medication, alcohol, gambling, etc. These are often gateways to other addictions plus what happened in the person's life.

Oxy, I've not heard of it, would that be called 'O' as in the big O I just found calling heroin 'H' funny. You speak German right? Did they call it 'H' or heroin in the movie? Or is it just in the sub titles?

Did you hang out with the sort of crowd Christiane did?

What pahak said...A heroin addict isn't addicted until they decide to break the law and do something stupid. Cricket I think the reason you have great sympathy for addicts and non at all for protesters as we learned in that riot thread is...one of those actions you disdain, the other you understand (you did say your wife's job is working with addicts)...So I'm guessing you've learned to see addicts as humans, but view protest rioters as something less than human.

Sure but you usually don't think you are going to become addicted and people get addicted to legal but harmful things such as prescription medication, alcohol, gambling, etc. These are often gateways to other addictions plus what happened in the person's life.

Pretty much everyone I know calls heroin "H".

Addicts are victims. The rioters are just scumbags.

I hung out with various social rejects. Some of them were drug users, though I don’t know if they used heroin specifically (cocaine and ecstasy seemed to be more popular). I didn’t go to parties or be in situations where drug use was happening (aside from marijuana, and that typically was only when I’d see my friend’s band play at the community center). But I was definitely aware of drug use happening with classmates.

And it’s totally unheard of for teenagers to break the law and do something stupid...

For some reason, this reminded me of a book called Story of O. I don't recall it being about drug addiction, though

I don't see the majority of addicts as victims. Some, for sure, but not most and definitely not all. It's the same kind of bs as defending one's actions by saying "I get violent/reckless/etc. when drunk" - well, you were sober when you started drinking so it's still your fault.

You could just as well call the rioters as victims of brainwashing.

Thanks for explaining.

Comparing addicts to rioters is absurd. Addicts need help.

I can respect your right to have your own opinion...I don't share it...but that's OK as we all get to be who we are.

*I hope I didn't derail the thread with my question, anyway I'm off for the day. Hope to watch another nom tonight

You’re right it is absurd -

One is someone who chose a path that would make them feel better in the moment even if it would drag them and their friends down in the long run.

The other is someone fighting for legitimate social justice, sometimes in aggressive means, but also for a clear and cut out purpose... to change things for the better.

That said, I sympathize with everyone, drug Addicts and protestors alike.

I agree.

I sympathized with a necrophile once because he said his marriage was completely dead.

Well, the first and last sentences are correct.

I'd really appreciate if people would stop the discussion of rioting. It is not relevant to the film Christiane F. and has no place in this thread. If you want to discuss the ethics of rioting, do that privately or in an appropriate thread.