Noah - The Movie

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The Guy Who Sees Movies
I’ve never been sure what to do with the biblical story of Noah and his ark. It mirrors of lots of middle eastern creation myths (e.g., Gilgamesh) and morality tales from around the world, and is possibly derived from oral traditions of a Black Sea flood around 5600 BC. The story of Noah and his floating island full of pairs of peaceful animals persists at least in part because childhood bible school images. None of this stopped Darren Aronofsky, one of my favorite and most eccentric film makers. With hard hitting movies like Requiem for a Dream, The Wrestler, The Black Swan and The Fountain in his past, Aronofsky is nothing if not adventurous. Aronofsky was almost ruined by the financial failure of The Fountain, but recovered with the super-low budget The Wrestler. Randy The Ram's character almost brought Mickey Roarke’s career back from nothing for a little while until people realized that he wasn’t really acting all that much.

So, on the one hand, I’ll see anything Aronofsky does, on the other hand, I figured that this movie could be a theological minefield, since Noah is important in Christian, Muslim and Jewish tradition, with their variant amounts of literalism and because the writers here seem to have invented details in a story where the original is quite lean. Most of the time, movies inspired by books leave out most detail; in this one they needed to add it.

Thankfully the movie was NOT in 3D. The visuals were, as always for Aronofsky, excellent, creative and impressionistic. Russell Crowe, in the title role, was excellent, being paternal, possessed, visionary and approaching complete madness at times. Noah was NOT a one-dimensional comic book character. Jennifer Connelly was also excellent as Naameh, Noah’s dedicated wife, who, as the movie progresses, becomes more worried about Noah’s state of mind than the flood. The FX of the flood are quite good and the moral degradation of the antediluvian people (except for Noah’s family) and the ruined state of the world are depicted quite convincingly. The rock-monsters that helped Noah build the ark (apparently fallen angels) seem to have been recruited from Galaxy Quest and were quite a strange touch. I don’t recall them from the Bible.

Where I thought the movie got off the tracks was in the “3rd quarter”. Mostly concerned with a non-biblical narrative of Noah’s deteriorating state of mind and his murderous intent to be sure that humanity did NOT survive the flood (including his family), I thought that 20 minutes or so of the story could be lost and would leave a better movie….it got a little too close to The Shining for me. I guess that an Aronofsky movie would not be complete without some descent-into-madness, and on the whole, I will continue to see any movie he makes. No one will accuse him of just illustrating a Sunday school comic book. Right or wrong, the film has more depth to it than most biblical epics. It’s strange, but then Noah is a strange character in a strange story.



The Guy Who Sees Movies
Cosby definitely had the edge on laughs. I recall hearing that sketch when I was a kid and it's still funny.



Noah is important in Christian, Muslim and Jewish tradition
My name is more important in Christian, Muslim and Jewish traditions than 'Noah'. Does this mean I will have a blockbuster named after me?:



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Cosby definitely had the edge on laughs. I recall hearing that sketch when I was a kid and it's still funny.
Now that you mention it, I also first heard it when I was a child. My brother gave me a record with the best of Bill Cosby or something. He wanted to give me a record of Richard Pryor's best but feared dad would smash it.



The Guy Who Sees Movies
My name is more important in Christian, Muslim and Jewish traditions than 'Noah'. Does this mean I will have a blockbuster named after me?:
Not unless you can get the Hollywood deal makers to arrange funding. I hear that they spent 120 million on Noah.



The Guy Who Sees Movies
Now that you mention it, I also first heard it when I was a child. My brother gave me a record with the best of Bill Cosby or something. He wanted to give me a record of Richard Pryor's best but feared dad would smash it.
I hate to admit which decade it was, but I recall being about 12. A friend and I would sneak into his brother's room when he was away at college and listen to his Cosby vinyl records. That was a while ago.



Ghouls, vampires, werewolves... let's party.
I hate to admit which decade it was, but I recall being about 12. A friend and I would sneak into his brother's room when he was away at college and listen to his Cosby vinyl records. That was a while ago.
Hmmm... That reminds me. I used to sneak into my brother's collection of girlie magazines. I can tell you that was an eye opener.


Those were the days when the staples went through the centerfold.



Please don't post you opinion if you have not watched the movie, or know the story of noah and the ark.

I started this thread to ask the masses, the watchers, the movie fanatics what they thought of the NOAH movie.

And how much they twisted it into something, in my opinion, almost evil-

Things to note that are different from the real noah and the ark story from the lords book, the Bible, i might not have seen a lot of things, but heres what i saw

- Stone ''Golems'' like what the heck?
- What occurs on the Ark, that never happened...
- Noah thinking he has to kill the babies? There where never any babies in the first place!
Post your opinion, and please, if you agree that the movie is messed up in a lot of ways, just type ''SIN'' then your opinion



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I am well aware of the story of Noah, although I have not seen the new movie. The best portrayal of Noah, in my opinion, is by John Huston from the movie The Bible, In The Beginning (1966)




The Guy Who Sees Movies
Please don't post you opinion if you have not watched the movie, or know the story of noah and the ark.

I started this thread to ask the masses, the watchers, the movie fanatics what they thought of the NOAH movie.

And how much they twisted it into something, in my opinion, almost evil-

Things to note that are different from the real noah and the ark story from the lords book, the Bible, i might not have seen a lot of things, but heres what i saw

- Stone ''Golems'' like what the heck?
- What occurs on the Ark, that never happened...
- Noah thinking he has to kill the babies? There where never any babies in the first place!
Post your opinion, and please, if you agree that the movie is messed up in a lot of ways, just type ''SIN'' then your opinion
I hate correct you, but you did not start this thread, I did. I asked whether people liked the movie, not the theology. Let's face it guy, the Noah story is one of the most comical parts of the Bible. Nothing about it makes a whole heck of lot of sense on any level.



Quick note: I merged his thread into yours. Hence the confusion. Obviously, people can talk about the film or the theology, if they want.

Re: the story of the Ark being "comical"--as opposed to what? I'm not sure how one would apply varying levels of plausibility to miracles.

Not that someone needs to find the story literally plausible to object to changing it, anyway. People get plenty worked up about changes to source material that nobody believes is true, let alone several billion.



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Quick note: I merged his thread into yours. Hence the confusion. Obviously, people can talk about the film or the theology, if they want.
Mea Culpa on that, I didn't know they had been merged, thought the other poster was trying to speak for me.

Re: the story of the Ark being "comical"--as opposed to what? I'm not sure how one would apply varying levels of plausibility to miracles.

Not that someone needs to find the story literally plausible to object to changing it, anyway. People get plenty worked up about changes to source material that nobody believes is true, let alone several billion.[/quote]

I didn't see that it was changed all that much so much as it was embellished. The rock monsters, Noah in his Shining phase, appear to be completely added to Genesis account. I don't know whether they are in some other scriptures, Genesis account is fairly sketchy with little detail. What's comical about it is that, in my churchy upbringing, it was literally presented as a comic book and we were told to regard it as such. Nothing it it makes any rational or scientific sense unless one completely surrenders to the idea of a miracle, but seems overwrought when God could have just done a miracle that made people good. I guess my thought on the movie is that it was probably being provocative, seeing how hard he could push the story along the lines of the Black Swan, in which a ballerina seems to be growing feathers.



Mea Culpa on that, I didn't know they had been merged, thought the other poster was trying to speak for me.
No worries! This kinda stuff isn't always obvious. There was certainly no fault on your part.

I didn't see that it was changed all that much so much as it was embellished. The rock monsters, Noah in his Shining phase, appear to be completely added to Genesis account. I don't know whether they are in some other scriptures, Genesis account is fairly sketchy with little detail. What's comical about it is that, in my churchy upbringing, it was literally presented as a comic book and we were told to regard it as such. Nothing it it makes any rational or scientific sense unless one completely surrenders to the idea of a miracle, but seems overwrought when God could have just done a miracle that made people good.
There's a pretty massive theological difference between miracles that alter the physical world and miracles that actively invalidate free will--if that were an option, sin wouldn't exist in the first place. But either way, the point is that miracles aren't more or less plausible based on their proximity to normal physical events. People may be more incredulous towards a massive flood than they are to turning water into wine, but rationally any suspension of physical laws is equally as miraculous.

If someone regards it all as "comical" to begin with, then I suppose the addition of rock giants and glowing people just seems pretty minor. But Aronofsky's been dabbling in the quasi-mystical throughout his filmography, and the differences run a lot deeper than just these superficial things. I don't know if there's much of a distinction between changing and embellishing, either. I mean, Genesis doesn't say there weren't ninjas...

Though really, whatever you believe, how could anyone pretend it isn't hacky and distasteful to jazz up a sacred text with CGI monsters? Imagine someone did that with even your favorite book, even if it had no religious significance to you at all.

Needless to say (and yet I'm saying it!), if I rewrote The Eminent Domain of Movie Remakes, I'd probably include this.




If someone regards it all as "comical" to begin with, then I suppose the addition of rock giants and glowing people just seems pretty minor. But Aronofsky's been dabbling in the quasi-mystical throughout his filmography, and the differences run a lot deeper than just these superficial things. I don't know if there's much of a distinction between changing and embellishing, either. I mean, Genesis doesn't say there weren't ninjas...

Though really, whatever you believe, how could anyone pretend it isn't hacky and distasteful to jazz up a sacred text with CGI monsters? Imagine someone did that with even your favorite book, even if it had no religious significance to you at all.
Hi Yoda, I take it you're not happy with Aronosky's interpretation of the 'giants that were on the earth in those days, and also afterward', the Nephilim, as rock-trapped fallen angels ? It does feel odd in the film, that's why I've said a couple of times parts of the film are a bit bonkers. However there are also strange beasts that don't make it into the Ark either and all these things do add to the extraordinary otherworldly feeling to the time before the flood, a time where the world had gone wrong. A contrast to the land after the flood which appears clean, fertile and sweet. A meaning I take to being God's mission to use Noah to help recreate the world again has succeeded.

I take your point about sacred texts being messed about with. I know it's not my sacred text, but I don't feel Aronofsky was disrespectful, in fact I thought he brought Noah to life together with his misgivings and his faith.



I saw Noah a few days ago. I was looking forward to seeing this, largely because I'm partial to Aronofsky and I was curious to see how this biblical story would be handled. As always, I avoided reading any reviews or seeing any trailers, though I did a quick check on Rotten tomatoes to get a rough idea of critical response (77% certified fresh, so definitely worth checking out).

First off, the whole religious debate surrounding this film is pretty much irrelevant. The story of Noah is a cultural myth so any additions or subtractions to the core Genesis text are only relevant if it helps to create a better movie. I should imagine that anyone with a strong commitment to the 'truth' of these ancient stories will be bringing a lot of baggage to the table and are likely to walk away with strong opinions about this film; opinions that bear no resemblance to the central question of whether or not this was a good movie. As it happens, it wasn't a great movie...

My review: as if the bible story of Noah and a global flood wasn't legendary enough, Aronofsky lays on the bombast extra-thick to create a bloated fantasy epic resembling a strange mash-up of Mad Max, Lord of the Rings and Transformers. Surprisingly dull and way too self-important for its own good. Watch 'Take Shelter' instead. 3/10