Originally Posted by Twain
I didn't mean an actual discussion of bio-technology. I meant how do we interact with clones? They with us and each other. Do clones find love? Can they love us, can we love them? Are they human? For the religious, do they have souls?.
Metropolis is a good example, whilst not clones, they are the same as robots. All the questions you posed seem to me very cliche about science fiction. Their could be two answers to your question, Yes, they do have souls and can find love etc., or the answer will be ambiguous. I wasn't expecting diatribe on this topic as it seems self explanatory as to what any possible question posed could answer. Very predictable and wasted would a movie focusing on that would be.
Instead the movie already assumes that they are human beings. And we already know the human response "If we can prolong life we will do it, clones aren't real people". Whereas the clones say they are real people, that is the gist of the whole story, it works, and no pointless self righteous mumbo jumbo is needed.
Originally Posted by Twain
There were so many areas of social significance to explore in The Island but Bay abandoned them in the first half of the film in favor of a routine chase n' shoot.
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Social Significance? How about Ewan's response to Lincoln Six Echo? People don't care about clones because they are tools. The public would care? Apparently not, so it's up to the clones to prove this point. As I've said before their have been countless robot movies that have dealt with this subject and pretty unsuccesfully might I add (matrix sequels, I,robot) and it is all cliche.
As for the standard chase n' shoot. What can you expect? Honestly? It's Michael Bay, the good guy will survive, if you want to see some random deaths you won't see hollywood blockbusters (or potential) such as The island or batman begins. They are pretty much self explanatory.
Originally Posted by Twain
What made matters worse, even the chase had no credibility. Two naive clones with no worldly experience successfully evade professional assassins. Um, I don't think so.
This is moot, as plot in movies are sometimes hard to deduce and analyze. Either by failure of viewer or film-maker. Points like that is hard to indentify with because of their seeming absurdity.
However, a possible answer could be that human brains cannot be controlled by a machine, and that memories can resurface if they are shot down. While in the world they realized everything was different, and when they saw what "the" island really was they realized what they had known to be true held no effect. Thus, when they defeat the chasers, lincoln six echo uses his memories that have been retained to use the technology available to him,and he knew that anything was possible now that his sheltered world had been shattered.
What is interesting, is that in your bashing of the film you have managed to stumble onto complexity in the story. You say how could clones do human things? That means you think clones really aren't human beings, from watching the Island I determined that they, in fact, were human beings.
So, we have two alternating viewpionts on the subject, much like a mystic river or pulp fiction debate. Therefore, by your own admittance, The Island is in fact as deep as both Mystic River and Pulp Fiction.
I didn't think it was THAT good.
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