Star Wars: Episode VIII – The Last Jedi

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After Emperor Palpatine and Vader there is no really good idea to have a another Villain after them because in my opinion no one really cared About Snoke least i didnt care and i just figured he was a puppet for a greater power anyways. Him Gone leave a better true villain to enter the game or make Kylo Ren really a Bad egg or we get Kylo with a whole Caesar situation and he is murder by Hux and his men or the Knights Of Ren betray him and Hux has played the full too well.

Too me if want a good villain Resurrection of Darth Bane or Palpatine is best idea but JJ wont do that now.



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So I gave up reading everything around page 20. Too much to cover.

Here are my thoughts:


Star Wars: The Last Jedi





SPOILERS PEOPLE.

"I pretty much fundamentally disagree with every choice you’ve made for this character."
-Mark Hamill

I feel like the filmmakers were very purposeful with this film, for better or worse. People complained that TFA was too copypasta to A New Hope....and now they are complaining that TLJ is too different? I applaud Johnson for trying something new, but I feel like he dropped the ball on a lot of aspects here and Disney seems to be alienating the core fanbase in an effort to force the series in a different direction.

Numerous times the film states that we need to let go of the past. Ren angrily says this to Rey multiple times. This is Disney telling us to let go of those films that we loved as kids and embrace what they want to do with the series going forward. Look, I like the new characters. I think Rey is terrific and Finn isn't so bad when he actually has something to do. But to waste the original characters is more or less a slap in the face. People thinking they weren't wasted are letting this film off easy.

Luke Skywalker, a whiny little farm boy manages to train and become a Jedi Master, like his father before him. He brought Vader back from the dark side, something both Yoda and Obi-Wan thought impossible. Here, Luke almost kills Ben because he senses that he has lost him to the dark side. Seems totally different to the character we know from before. Literally fighting and ready to die to bring Vader to the light...and he succeeded. Why try to kill a kid when you sense he's been lost? What happened to the man that we knew from before?

After that, he goes into hiding to die on a deserted island...but still makes a map that leads to where he is? His friends and family are being slaughtered, but he doesn't seem to care because the Jedi must end? You don't want to train anymore Jedi? Okay...stop it. But still help the rebellion instead of leaving them to die. It just doesn't make any sense. What also doesn't make sense is Luke not questioning how his lightsaber that the lost in Empire is in his hands now....that he tosses over his shoulder. Mark Hamil himself has stated that this is not the Luke Skywalker that he knows and remembers. Now he is backtracking because Disney isn't happy with him. He can say that Disney never told him to say anything, but we all know how the media machine works.

I feel like they have a total disregard for what came before it, this is evident with killing Admiral Ackbar in a blink of an eye and sidelining Leia for 85% of the film. Leia...what the hell was with her frozen in space sequence? A fake out for the audience that caused more confusion and unintentional laughter than anything else. Carrie Fischer....rest in peace....clearly had nothing to offer here. Her performance was horrendous. I don't think she managed to register a single emotion and her commanding voice was barely above a whisper. Gone is the strong, charismatic and bold Leia people once knew and the last scenes we have of her is sitting around whispering orders to people. It was kind of sad to be honest.

The film offers some new perspectives on the force, for better and worse again. Luke's force projection at the end is interesting and something that I knew was happening the moment he appeared on the screen with Just For Men in his beard. It opens the doors for new aspects in using the force for future films, but we are also given a scene where a ghost Yoda actually interacts with the living. He brings lightning down to destroy a sacred tree. So if he can physically interact with the living, why isn't he helping? Bring some of that God of Thunder powers down on some First Order henchmen. Seems retcon-ish.

The Snoke build-up and then having the rug ripped out from under us is surprising...Johnson managed to surprise me here, but I am also left with Darth Maul-itis. Here is this mysterious guy, with powers that seem to be bigger than what the Emperor had and he's taken out quickly. I would have liked some backstory to him before the end. Will we get any in the next film? No? Serkis did an amazing job with his motion capture performance and I'm actually sad to see him go without a hint as to who the hell he was. Wasted opportunity. What could have been better is eliminating the useless Casino sequence and have Luke tell us who the hell Snoke is and why he was afraid of him.

Rey's parents. The mystery was there in TFA and taken away in TLJ, just like Snoke. Johnson seems to stress the fact that Skywalkers are not the only Jedi anymore, this is clearly evident with the final shot of the film. The Jedi will live on. Yet this still makes me questions her abilities in the first film. Wouldn't it make more sense if she was trained as a Jedi, but then had her memory wiped when Ren killed all of Luke's padawans? Maybe she was the lone survivor or something? Then when she is reintroduced to the world of the Jedi/Sith, the fore awakens within her? Nope, she is nobody that instantly gets the hang of it. No training required. Not even in this film when she is supposed to be trained. It ultimately makes her character a little too one dimensional. People complained about her Mary-Sue aspects in TFA, but I brushed it off thinking they would explain it in the later films. They do not. So those complaints are justified in my eyes now.

Finn and Rose. Has there ever been a more unnecessary subplot in movies before? First, why is Laura Dern keeping key information from Poe and the rest of the rebels? This was bad writing that showed they had nothing for Finn to do. You are the last surviving people from the rebellion and you are not sharing your plans? A simple 'this is what we are going to do' scene and you eliminate the entire story arc for Finn and Rose going to Casino World to find Justin Theroux and settling for Benecio Del Toro. Two really distracting roles (cameo) from notable actors in a Star Wars movie. The dynamic between these two wasn't there for me and I felt little to no emotion for the new character.

There was a moment where I thought Johnson was going to take the series in a different direction, the Rey/Ren dynamic. But by the end of the film, we are exactly where we started. Nothing really changed for them. Ten struggles with the light and the dark...again. Rey instantly knows more Jedi stuff.

The Last Jedi is all about subverting expectations. I'm all for that, but this film subverts them in the wrong ways, which leads to frustration.

I was surprised by how bored I was by a lot of it. The running time really slowed the film down and I felt it. This entry continues to do one thing that Lucas did in the prequels, create a creature simply for selling merchandise. Porgs. Ugh...even the comedic aspects of these things were off. The comedy in the entire film really is hit and miss. It misses a lot of the times.

If you're going to ditch the original cast and characters and want us to follow some new people. Make them interesting. Aside from the Rey/Ren character bits, there is nothing else really offered here. An unearned kiss between two people is awkwardly trying to force a romantic triangle into the next film, a lazy way to create unneeded drama.

I seem to be hating on this film a lot. I don't hate it, I was just really underwhelmed by a lot of the decisions. The technical aspects of this film are great. Beautiful colour designs, great cinematography. The red salt on the final planet was gorgeous to look at contrasted by the white surface. The one and only lightsaber fight was interesting and finally ignited some excitement from me. The film surprised me with Snoke and Captain Phasma biting the dust, but offered nothing of real value in the end and decides to stick with the incapable and whiny villains. Bad choice.



I think you are giving Lucasfilm too much credit in assuming they've planned ahead. I really think they are just winging it with no grand overall plan for the story.
You think it's more likely that they're "winging" a multi-billion dollar franchise than that it might come up again? I think, to paraphrase my namesake, hate is clouding your mind.

Anyway, the real question for the purposes of evaluating Rian Johnson's efforts is not whether Abrams makes his own choice to leave that dangling, but whether he as an answer in mind and intends for it to factor into the third film. And he clearly does, since the screenplay goes out of its way to remind everyone of how baffling the light speed tracking is, which is pretty much the last thing you'd do if you were trying to sidestep an explanation/had no intention of providing one.



Why fans are so confident Disney/Lucasfilm is "winging it" in regards to the story? That is such an instantaneous, asinine assumption; seemingly without any prolonged thought put into it.

Just put everything into perspective: would 'Disney' (Master of "The Expanded Universe" and planning several sequels & spin-offs ahead of time), really be so ignorant as to do such a thing? You were disappointed at a few major twists, so what? I suppose they're just going along willy-nilly now, making decisions on the spot.


That was this man's job. "Lesser of Two Evils" my a**.
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I also feel like they don't explain the First Order very well.

The Empire was destroyed 30-some odd years ago. Shouldn't the resistance be in power? They are not...this other regime pops up and now we are small again.

Okay, then we destroy Starbase Killer and decimate a lot of their forces....but now we are even smaller??

I feel like the film makes it seem like the rest of the galaxy doesn't care about this little war between The First Order and the Resistance.

Poe disobeys a direct order, gets a lot of people killed then starts a mutiny. But hey, he's a crazy kid and we all love him.

They don't have auto-pilot on these ships? Or better yet, leave a droid behind to do whatever Hunger Games Dern thought she had to do?

The distress signal could have and should have been an excellent scene for Lando to show up. Missed opportunity.

MAZ telling them to find the Master Codebreaker felt way to video game-esque to me.



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Why fans are so confident Lucasfilm is "winging it" in regards to the story? That is such an asinine assumption. Talk about an instantiations overreaction--just because of a few major twists within the story.
I don't believe they are winging it, but they are definitely changing the end game due to Fisher's death.

It's definitely a case of "this is a bad story, they must be winging it".



Just saw this on Sunday and it really fell somewhat flat for me as a long time fan. I am talking in comparison to the original 3 films. I cannot say I dislike where everything is going, I just do not like how they took us (the audience) on the journey. Definitely a film I enjoyed, but it did take a lot of "blocking out" to do so.

Bullet thoughts (SPOILERS):

WARNING: "*" spoilers below
* Loved the Skywalker projection scene at the end
* I did not feel any love lost between Leia and Luke at all. Not charisma on the screen which bothered me.
* The ease in which Snoke's special guard was dispatched.
* The Yoda scene - it was just too contrived. I enjoyed it for sure, but very "check list" .
* Benecio Del Toro - started off good in the cell, but never really went anywhere.
* Loved the cinematography.
* Luke's death/transition was both perfect yet unfulfilling (if that makes sense).
* I so thought the film was going to end when Luke walked out of the rebel base, I almost wish it had ended there.
* The very last scene was nice, I almost teared up.


Overall I enjoyed this a lot, but I cannot say I loved it. Looking forward to the next one.

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Yeah, but that would be incest.
You see, I think Kylo was lying about Rey's parents being nobodies. She's either his sister or his first cousin!

The last scene of the film tells us otherwise.



The last scene of the film tells us otherwise.
I just saw it a few days ago, but not sure which scene you're referring to. Please refresh my memory.

Also, what was that red stuff?



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The last scene of the film tells us otherwise.
I just saw it a few days ago, but not sure which scene you're referring to. Please refresh my memory.

Also, what was that red stuff?
Red stuff was soil. The white stuff was salt.


The last scene was the kid force grabbing the broom. Telling us that you can be a nobody and be a Jedi. The force is all around and doesn’t end with the Skywalker lineage.

Rey is a nobody.



Welcome to the human race...
Even without the possibility of incest, Reylo still has a lot of hallmarks of an abusive relationship and one legitimate flaw I might concede about Last Jedi is how it potentially frames Rey's motivation for redeeming Kylo as coming across like an abused person thinking that they can change their abuser's behaviour, which is definitely a questionable direction in which to take the proceedings.

I also feel like they don't explain the First Order very well.

The Empire was destroyed 30-some odd years ago. Shouldn't the resistance be in power? They are not...this other regime pops up and now we are small again.
Should we assume that every single person who sided with the Empire in the whole galaxy just either died or quit for good after the ending of Return of the Jedi (to say nothing of how 30 years allows for a whole new generation to grow up idolising the Empire as "the good old days")? Hitler died 70-ish years ago but we still have neo-Nazis. Besides, the opening crawl of Force Awakens establishes the existence of a new Republic (of which the Resistance is a semi-independent off-shoot) but the Republic is weakened when Starkiller Base blows up five whole planets so that's why the Resistance is on the run from the Order when Last Jedi starts.

Okay, then we destroy Starbase Killer and decimate a lot of their forces....but now we are even smaller??
Like how destroying the first Death Star didn't get rid of the Empire?

I feel like the film makes it seem like the rest of the galaxy doesn't care about this little war between The First Order and the Resistance.
How exactly does this reflect badly on the film itself? That's kind of the whole point of the "pointless" casino sub-plot, wherein Finn realises that he can't afford to stay neutral about the conflict like everyone else in the casino does (and it's driven home by DJ selling him out while dropping some hollow both-sides-are-the-same justification).

Poe disobeys a direct order, gets a lot of people killed then starts a mutiny. But hey, he's a crazy kid and we all love him.
He gets called out for his recklessness time and time again, which is what prompts him to actually start being something more than just The Big Hero.

They don't have auto-pilot on these ships? Or better yet, leave a droid behind to do whatever Hunger Games Dern thought she had to do?
I would think that it's a manual-override/I-cannot-self-terminate kind of situation where you can't program an autopilot or droid to do something as excessively dangerous as make a hyperdrive jump straight into another ship so somebody has to stay behind and do it deliberately.