24th Hall of Fame

A person ejaculating in another’s face? Then wiping it on his face?
Come.
On.
You’re splitting hairs here.

As far as I know, they'd probably nominate films I'd hate. My idea of extreme cinema (and I suppose, theirs's too) revolves quite heavily around blood, guts, feces, and bodily fluids. I'm not really into movies cricket watches for his more extreme needs (well, maybe some, and I'm pretty sure makes me watch something I hate in the roulette) - I need something more than violence and filth.

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Is Klaus a child?

I think it's a slippery slope to go down in terms of what is or is not "allowed".

In a Glass Cage featured child sexual abuse/pedophilia. But you know what? So did Antwone Fisher! And I wasn't being glib when I said that in some ways I found the latter to be more disturbing because of the lack of a figurative "shield". There are many different types of content (racism, sexual violence, child abuse, dementia, homophobia, gore, etc) that vary so widely in how they are used in film. I am very sensitive to certain content, but I don't put a blanket ban on every film that goes near that content. Instead I read about films carefully and decide if I think I can handle the portrayal and if I trust the intentions of the filmmaker.

Rather, I think that it would be better to have open and honest conversations about our deal-breakers, and then follow-up conversations if there is a concern that a film might be "too much" for someone. I really appreciated that MovieGal reached out to me and said, "Hey, I want to nominate this film. Here is something that happens in it. Would you be okay with that? If not, I have a backup."

No one wants to be forced to watch something they find upsetting or immoral. I totally get it. But with over a dozen different personalities (which means over a dozen different lines in the sand), it has to be a collaborative effort to make sure everyone feels welcome and comfortable and challenged in the right way. If everyone tries to pick something they think will please the whole crowd and won't ruffle a single feather I think you'll end up with far less interesting nominations.

Just my 2 cents as an HoF newbie.

Not sure how that matters. Is it your point that it’s ok for an adult to be assaulted such a way as long as it’s not a child?

That's why MovieGal rocks

I think his point is that while the scene is sexually explicit and a very uncomfortable sequence of assault, it does not fall into the category of child sex abuse that seems to have upset people.

If the big difference between Jagten and In a Glass Cage was depictions of pedophilia, I'd say it matters a lot. In other words, my point is that I replied to your post concerning pedophilia and that scene has nothing to do with it

By your train of thought, I could say everyone in the previous HoF was OK with kidnapping a young man and putting him through an involuntary sex change, or the killing of Jews during WW2 because no one objected to those films. Does that sound reasonable to you?

I never insinuated it was pedophilia. I called it assault.
Which quote of mine are you referring to?
I find It odd that you would be bothered by one but defend the other and try to compare the two.

Was it involuntary? I thought the twist of the film was that the man who was captured, was a woman inside all the time. I think that's what the last scene showed.

We didn't see the horrors of the Holocaust in Schindler's List, we witnessed some of it but from a peripheral view. It's not like it's Dr Mengele's home videos

To be clear, I have never said Schindler’s List depiction of the Holocaust never disturbed me either. It has. It was just a much better film IMO, but that’s beside the point

First, I replied to this:
My reply concerned only depictions of pedophilia as it was the issue you raised. In that regard, I don't remember much difference between something like Sleepers and In a Glass Cage.

I have no idea what you're talking about in here, though. What is bothering me? What am I defending? Hopefully, this answers the question:

1) I am not bothered by onscreen pedophilia (not talking about child pornography, obviously, but legal depictions in legal movies - assume similar caveat also in all of the following)

2) I am not bothered by onscreen ejaculations on paralyzed man's face

3) I am not bothered by onscreen kidnappings and forced sex changes

4) I am not bothered by onscreen depictions of the holocaust

5) I am not bothered by onscreen depictions of pretty much anything (I don't say everything, because it's possible that one day I'll see something that bothers me, but that hasn't happened yet)

it was so voluntary that he tried to kill himself, and begged the doctor to release him. I'd also remember that in the end he clearly told his mother that the sex change was forced upon him.

I have to assume you are talking about The Skin I Live In and, having both read the book and seen the film, there is nothing voluntary about what happened to the main character.

I mean, even if someone wanted gender affirming surgery, that doesn't mean that anyone gets to kidnap them and do that to them without consent.

Well, looks like I'm in for a ride

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I don't know what I'll think of In a Glass Cage when I get to it, but I'll try to go into it with an open mind. Like Takoma, I don't do that well with extreme films either. Anyways, as some others have noted, it might be a good idea to avoid nominating extreme films unless everyone participating in the HoF are okay with watching it. I understand the appeal some have towards extreme films (hell, I've admired a few of them myself in the past), but I think we do need to be careful that we don't discourage anyone from participating in these threads.

And I don't mean for this to be an attack on pahaK or anything. I haven't known them long, but they seem like a cool person. I just think this is a good thing to keep in mind for the future.

On a less serious note, I watched Hard Times yesterday and I dug it quite a bit. I'll try to write something on it tomorrow or later this week.

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I see the confusion. I was not comparing any films in portrayal of pedophilia. I was pointing by out that, as per your earlier post, that there were no depiction of said act in Jagten.


Edit! In regards to the last part. Just went back and reread your post. I was mistaken. My apologies.

To which I replied there was verbal depiction, and that the visual depiction in In a Glass Cage isn't particularly more graphic than in several "non-extreme" movies like Sleepers.

I never said such a thing (unless I've typoed real bad, but didn't find any such on a quick glance).

Yeah, my bad. I edited the last part too late. I misread it.
As for the first, you’re splitting hairs over the comparison to begin with. It’s been awhile since I’ve seen sleepers, but I don’t recall any graphic depiction such as was portrayed in Glass Cage.

I want to point out, I did like Glass Cage, despite some icky parts.