i literally said 'in my humble opinion' for a reason. i mean, we can argue whether or not it's a baby or a fetus, but... actually no we can't. or we wont. or i won't, anyway. cause we've done this before.
Eh, sort of. For all the talk on here about abortion, often with the same people, I'm genuinely struggling to think of sustained discussions that were about the actual point of disagreement, as opposed to people just sort of swiping at each other from some layer of abstraction or questioning each other's motives ("you just want to control women"/"shoulda thought of that before you had sex"/whatever).
I've been trying to get bitchier. I think it's going well.
yeah i get to have an opinion. that part was worded weird. like, i've never said they shouldn't get an opinion. in fact, i said the opposite.
Yeah, my response was phrased wrong too, actually. My bad. Rephrased: is your opinion on the death penalty "less crucial" because you're not the one on death row?
It seems like you must on
some level, if you're saying people's opinions on this can matter less because of their gender.
My general posture is that living in a free society means everyone gets a 100% equal say (at least in theory, if not always in practice) in all things that effect that society, full stop, no exceptions, and no dilutions. No ranks or tiers, officially or unofficially, especially on big questions of life and death and the general kind of place we want to be.
Whether or not the unborn count as people is just as much a universal question as when people become legal adults or are allowed to vote. Moreso, really, since the risks of getting it wrong are so much worse.
i guess. but for me the analogy doesn't work because both are people in yours and in mine, i only see one as a person.
You don't need to agree with me about that for this part, though. We're establishing a principle about whether people's opinions matter more or less based on how much something personally affects them. If not having to face possible criminals and violence each day doesn't dilute your opinion on whether an officer's reaction is reasonable, not having to face a possible pregnancy doesn't dilute a man's opinion on whether or not unborn children are people.
i mean yeah. i honestly think if more women were in charge, you'd see more women supporting abortion. no i ain't got source on this, but i do feel like a lot of women who are pro-life are influenced by their husbands or fathers or whatever
Oof. This is a pretty disdainful thing to say. I know a lot of very intelligent, very independent women who would not take kindly to being told their beliefs on this were not entirely their own. I'm married to one of them, and was raised by another.