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The Outsiders (1983)
[font=Georgia]Director: Francis Ford Coppola
Writers: Kathleen Rowell(screenplay), S.E. Hinton (novel)
Cast: C. Thomas Howell, Matt Dillon, Ralph Macchio
Genre: Drama


It's been a long time since I watched The Outsiders, but I liked it a lot when I was younger. I love the Stevie Wonder song "Stay Gold" during the opening credits of the movie.



Did you know that there's an updated version of the movie with about 20 minutes of extra footage? (It was released somewhere around 2005.) I think it's called something like "The Complete Novel" version. (I haven't seen the longer version yet, but I want to see it.)
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It's been a long time since I watched The Outsiders, but I liked it a lot when I was younger. I love the Stevie Wonder song "Stay Gold" during the opening credits of the movie.



Did you know that there's an updated version of the movie with about 20 minutes of extra footage? (It was released somewhere around 2005.) I think it's called something like "The Complete Novel" version. (I haven't seen the longer version yet, but I want to see it.)
Love, love, love this movie...one of the few movies based on a book where I actually read the book...it will be making the list on which I'm currently working.




American Pastoral (2016)

[font=Georgia]Director: Ewan McGregor
Writers: Philip Roth (novel), John Romano (screenplay)
Cast: Ewan McGregor, Jennifer Connelly, Dakota Fanning, Hannah Nordberg, Valorie Curry
Genre: Crime Drama
Your review wasn't exactly a glowing recommendation, but it did pique my curiosity...I might give this one a try, despite the fact that I can't stand Dakota Fanning.




The Roaring Twenties (1939)

[font=Georgia] Director: Raoul Walsh
Writers: Jerry Wald & Richard Macaulay (screen play), Mark Hellinger (story)
Cast: James Cagney, Humphrey Bogart, Priscilla Lane, Gladys George, Jeffery Lynn, Frank McHugh
Genre: Drama
This sounds great...I think I'm going to add it to my watchlist after I've finished my Gene Tierney obsession.



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I'm not surprised you've seen it, you seem to be really well watched especially about the Bronte's work. I have two more movies regarding the Bronte's to watch. Hopefully I can review them. Maybe you haven't seen them yet? We'll see.
Two more movies? I wonder what they are now. I know there was a miniseries that I saw about them. I can't recall if it is from the 70's or very early 80's (I want to say the 70's - I think it was called Brontes of Haworth, or something like that). Otherwise, I will have to wait and see what these movies are that you are talking about.




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[left]The Outsiders (1983)
I just watched this movie the other day. I hadn't seen it years. Probably not since I was a kid because my brother loved this movie. So he watched it a lot.

They don't make them like this anymore.
Unfortunately that is so true, isn't it?
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It's been a long time since I watched The Outsiders, but I liked it a lot when I was younger. I love the Stevie Wonder song "Stay Gold" during the opening credits of the movie.

Did you know that there's an updated version of the movie with about 20 minutes of extra footage? (It was released somewhere around 2005.) I think it's called something like "The Complete Novel" version. (I haven't seen the longer version yet, but I want to see it.)
I hate to say this, but I hated that Stevie Wonder song, I actually even said that out loud when the movie started. It's actually not a bad song, but the rhythm doesn't set the tone for the movie.

I didn't know there was an updated version with 20 extra minutes. I'll have to see that, as it felt like the film needed to be longer with more exploration of the characters.



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Your review of American Pastoral wasn't exactly a glowing recommendation, but it did pique my curiosity...I might give this one a try, despite the fact that I can't stand Dakota Fanning.
If it helps Dakota Fanning has only brief scenes in the movie. She's pretty good at being a 60s radical. The subject matter is very unique and that alone makes it worth watching. This is one I'd love to read your thoughts on.

This sounds great...I think I'm going to add it to my watchlist after I've finished my Gene Tierney obsession.
They were just talking about Gene Tierney over at the Female Beauty We Appreciate thread...She's become the patron saint of MoFo



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I didnt like the outsiders when I saw it. I saw the directors cut... dont know if that means anything...
Two words MM...Rumble Fish...it's an artsy film by Francis Ford Coppola, you might dig it.



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Two more movies? I wonder what they are now. I know there was a miniseries that I saw about them. I can't recall if it is from the 70's or very early 80's (I want to say the 70's - I think it was called Brontes of Haworth, or something like that). Otherwise, I will have to wait and see what these movies are that you are talking about.
You know your Brontes...indeed one of the movies I have is Brontes of Haworth. The other which I watched last night was a BBC production of Anne Bronte's novel, it was called The Tenant of Wildfell Hall.



You know your Brontes...indeed one of the movies I have is Brontes of Haworth. The other which I watched last night was a BBC production of Anne Bronte's novel, it was called The Tenant of Wildfell Hall.
The Bronte sisters:




I'd give her a HA! and a HI-YA! Then I'd kick her.
I think there are four movies based on S.E. Hinton books. You've watched two of them. Are you going to watch the other two movies? (I think they're Tex and That was Then, This is Now.)



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I think there are four movies based on S.E. Hinton books. You've watched two of them. Are you going to watch the other two movies? (I think they're Tex and That was Then, This is Now.)
I did not know that, but I'm glad you told me as I
I'm on a Bronte kick. I'll have to watch them. I think I've seen all the version of Jane Eyre and most of the Wuthering Heights movies.

Ha, that made me laugh



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You know your Brontes...indeed one of the movies I have is Brontes of Haworth. The other which I watched last night was a BBC production of Anne Bronte's novel, it was called The Tenant of Wildfell Hall.
Are you planning on reviewing The Tenant of Wildfell Hall? If not, what did you think about it? I've seen it twice. I read the novel long before I ever saw that, though. But I always wish they would film Anne Bronte's Agnes Grey. Between the two, my preference is for AG, but I know most of the rest of the world who has read these stories like TTOWH better. Something my mother once pointed out to me (the one time she watched it) is that the two lead characters have the same names as my grandparents (her parents). In all this time, I never realized that until she said something. But of all the name combinations, Gilbert and Helen just doesn't seem like something anybody would come up with.


I did not know that, but I'm glad you told me as I
I'm on a Bronte kick. I'll have to watch them. I think I've seen all the version of Jane Eyre and most of the Wuthering Heights movies.
Have you given that most recent version of Wuthering Heights a try yet? If you remember (because I do ), I kind of sort of ranted to you on how much I didn't like it. It is the one from 2011. And I forget (if we even ever talked about it! ), but did you see that version of Jane Eyre from 1934 with Colin Clive? It is only like an hour long. Can you ever imagine this story being told in an hour?! It kills me when they finish it before 2 hours. They always leave things out. So imagine how that version is!



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Are you planning on reviewing The Tenant of Wildfell Hall? If not, what did you think about it?
Sure why not, I'll review it. Coming up within the hour

Have you given that most recent version of Wuthering Heights a try yet? If you remember (because I do ), I kind of sort of ranted to you on how much I didn't like it. It is the one from 2011.
I don't think I've seen that one, at least the photos from the movie didn't look familiar. Is Heathclift played by a black actor or Hispanic actor? If so, then nope I haven't seen that version.

And I forget (if we even ever talked about it! ), but did you see that version of Jane Eyre from 1934 with Colin Clive?
It is only like an hour long. Can you ever imagine this story being told in an hour?! It kills me when they finish it before 2 hours. They always leave things out. So imagine how that version is!
Yup we talked about it, I think I said Jane Eyre was played by Colin Clive and Rochester by Virginia Bruce. It's crazy with a platinum blonde Jane who's very forward and a meek Rochester. It was fun as a stand alone movie, but of course like you said, it didn't begin to cover the novel.



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The Tenant of Wildfell Hall (1996)
Director: Mike Barker
Writers: Janet Barron & David Nokes(screenplay), Anne Brontë (novel)
Cast: Toby Stephens, Tara Fitzgerald, Rupert Graves
Genre: British TV Mini-Series, Classic literary novel
Length: 2 hours 39 minutes


The Tenant of Wildfell Hall
is based on a 1848 novel by Anne Bronte, who along with her two sisters Charlotte and Emily wrote some of the greatest 19th century's fictional literature. Originally this was shown on BBC as a 3 part mini series in 1996.

I thought Anne Bronte's novel made an excellent backbone for a movie. And I thought the overall story that starts as a mystery with a woman and her child, in the middle of the night running away from a manor house, made for an intriguing mystery. That mystery was maintained when she arrives and lives in near seclusion in a run down farm house in the Yorkshire countryside.

I didn't like the character of Helen at first, as she was so rude and negative about everything. Then of course that adds to the mystery as to what had happened to make her that way.

I liked how her negative standoffish behavior caused the friendly country folk to begin to mistrust her. Then coupled with the constant secret visits by a young man, we see the neighbors engaging in scandalous rumors about her, which resulted in her being shunned. Those were very powerful scenes because everybody can relate to being in her shoes.

When the movie does a flashback to the beginning of her strange story, I really got interested. We learn that when she was 18 years old she had met a dashing young man of title and wealth and he was smitten with her and had to have her...that's when the film really takes off.

The actor who played Lord Huntingdon (Rupert Graves) was so good at being so bad, that you could both like and totally hate him at the same time. He was the stand out character/actor for me. In some ways the movie's entire story turns on his character.

Like other dashing men in the Bronte sisters novels, Huntingdon is larger than life, a self indulgent with a fatalistic streak that ultimately brings them to ruin with drink and debauchery.

The Tentant of Wildfell Hall, it's really quiet a modern story of spousal abuse and escape.

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The People V. OJ Simpson (2016)
American Crime Story series

I wasn't sure if I wanted to revisit those infamous events that brought an American football hero to court on charge of first degree murder of his wife and her friend.

I watched most of these events happening live on my TV. Who could forget OJ running from the cops in his White Ford Bronco? Or the resulting trial that seemed to take forever. And who could forget the circus media atmosphere that ushered in the era of newstainment.

The OJ trial was the first and last time I got involved in watching a criminal news story. So why in the hell would I want to watch The People V. OJ Simpson and relive all that? Well, after reading Gideon's enthusiastic review of this, I decided to give it a go.



With the first segment, I was hooked! This folks is fine film making. I don't have the words or time to describe every single segment of it, as it was originally broadcast in 20 episodes. That's a lot of OJ, and it's a good thing too, as it takes that much time to get ones head around the social political events that drove the trial in the direction it took.

What I really, really liked about this is it doesn't take sides and say OJ was framed, or OJ was guilty as hell, it shows us the events starting with the discovery of Nicole Simpson and Ronald Coleman's bodies, then OJ's questioning and initial arrest, then the infamous Bronco chase. The re-staging of OJ and his football friend 'AC' Al Collins escape down the California freeway has to be see to believe.

But this film is not about seeing murders or car chases...this is all about the behind the trial scenes. We see both the 'dream team' OJ's defense team and how these giant egos thrash each other jocking to be top dog lawyer. And we see the overly confident prosecution team and their ever increasing troubles, which ultimately will lead to OJ being freed.

The actors who portray these people were nothing short of astounding! They all deserve a shout out, but I'll just hit on those that made the most impact on me.


Marcia Clark (Sarah Paulson) and Christopher Darden (Sterling K. Brown) have a look of defeat in their eyes.

Sarah Paulson as state prosecutor Marcia Clark. Did she look like Marcia or what? Even more importantly she channeled Marcia, I thought she was the real person. I loved her character as it gave us a personal insight into the prosecution's side of the trial and the frustrations they faced. She won a Emmy for Best Performance by an Actress in a Limited Series or Motion Picture Made for Television.

Sterling K. Brown as assistant state prosecutor Christopher Darden. In many ways his portrayal gives us, the viewer a very humanistic connection to what could have been a film all about legalize. I could easily relate to this nice guy who ends up facing an uphill battle, both because the defense will stop at nothing to break his will and because as a black man, he's being called an 'Uncle Tom' by the other black lawyer, Johnnie Cochran who plays on race loyalty to make Darden feel guilty about prosecuting another black man. Powerful stuff, and this film has the balls not to back off from exploration of all the dirty tricks that were done to get OJ off. He was Emmy nominated for Best Performance by an Actor in a Supporting Role.


Johnnie Cochran (Courtney B. Vance), delivers his summary like a fiery preacher.

The actor who played golden mouthed Johnnie Cochran, lit up the screen with one helluva a performance. If the real Johnnie Cochran was alive he'd probably hire the actor to do his trials for him, he was that good! And what a powerful character: he was smart, he was savvy, he was manipulative and by a stroke of genius he came up with the defense that would get OJ off the hook for the two murders. This is where the term playing the 'race card' first came into the vernacular. And once again the film does not shy away from exploring the tense situation in L.A. that had resulted in the acquittal of four white policemen caught on tape brutally beating a black man Rodney King, who was not even resisting them. The acquittal of the four white police officers then ignite the LA riots. With the racially super charged atmosphere that existed in LA, Cochran milked it for all it's worth. He was Emmy nominated for Best Performance by an Actor in a Limited Series or Motion Picture Made for Television.

Kudos to the actors who played Judge Lance Ito. When I first saw him, I said to myself 'he looks more like judge Ito, than the real judge did!' I loved all the scenes with Kenneth Choi who plays the calm and collective Judge Ito. He gives balance to the craziness.


Robert Shapiro (John Travolta), Robert Kardashian (David Schwimmer) and OJ Simpson (Cuba Gooding Jr.)

With all of this seriousness the film has lighter moments as we see these powerful people on the dream team act like babies. John Travolta as the defense lawyer Robert Shapiro had me in stitches! I don't know if the real Robert Shapiro was so whimsical, but Travolta rocks his role. He was Emmy nominated for Best Performance by an Actor in a Limited Series or Motion Picture Made for Television.


The Goldman family members, react to the shocking conclusion to the trial.

I'd like to thank the film makers for including a few brief but poigant scenes with the Goldmans, (the father and sister of the murdered Ron Goldman). Their utter grief helps to remind us this isn't all about show and powerful lawyers. The scenes with the Goldmans haught us with the real brutality of what was done to two people, Nicole Simpson and Ron Goldman.



OJ Simpson (Cuba Gooding Jr) trying on the infamous bloody leather gloves that were found at the crime scene.

This is amazing stuff and I verily told you a fraction of it!









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I'm dedicating my review of The People V. OJ Simpson to my fellow reviewer and friend @Gideon58 If it wasn't for Gideon's enthusiasm about this show, I would not have watched it.




The People V. OJ Simpson (2016)
[b]American Crime Story series
Fabulous review Citizen! So glad you decided to commit to the time it took to watch this series and I'm thrilled that you enjoyed it as much as I did. I love when I recommend something and learn that someone actually enjoyed it. Excellent review, buddy and I agree with every word.




The Yearling (1946)

Director: Clarence Brown
Writers: Paul Osborn (screen play), Marjorie Kinnan Rawlings (novel)
Cast: Gregory Peck, Jane Wyman, Claude Jarman Jr.
Genre: Classic Literature Drama


A boy persuades his parents to allow him to adopt a young deer, but what will happen if the deer misbehaves?

The Yearling
, the classic 1946 movie based on the classic Pulitzer Prize winning novel of 1938 by Marjorie Kinnan Rawlings. Based on the authors own experiences living in a poor area of remote Florida during the Depression of the 1930's. The Yearling tells the story of a poor family living hand to mouth. The father (Gregory Peck) is a gentle soul who dolts on his only surviving child (Claude Jarman Jr.). The father waits his son to be able to enjoy what few simple pleasures their hard life can give. His mother (Jane Wyman) on the other hand is distant as they loss of her other children, has hardened her heart and she's afraid to reach out and love the lonely boy, in case he doesn't survive the hardships of the times. When the father shoots a doe deer and discovers it had a fawn he allows the boy to raise the baby deer as a pet.



The movie does a lot of things right, it shows a young boy coming of age as his pet fawn deer grows to a yearling and begins destroying the families crops which they need to survive. We get a good look at a time gone by as we see the poor substances farmers who live in poverty in the wilds of the Florida scrub lands.

Trivia:
"...32 trained animals were used, including five fawns. The fawns needed to be replaced as they aged in order to conform to the description of the title animal. The fawn found by Jody, as he pulls back the foliage, was three days old and had bee&n rescued from a forest fire. Other animals used in filming included 126 deer, 9 black bears, 37 dogs, 53 wild birds, 17 buzzards, 1 owl, 83 chickens, 36 pigs, 8 rattlesnakes, 18 squirrels, 4 horses & 17 raccoons. The quantity of "critters" total is 441."

Shot in stunning Technicolor, the film takes us on location to Florida as well as other outdoor spots in California which serve as the Florida countryside. The result is we see real trees and real animals and the film feels real.



I thought Gregory Peck did a great job at being a kind heartened father as did Jane Wyman in her more distance role. The child actor too, really become the character and that then made the movie work.

The Yearling is a family classic that still works today.


Watched this just a little bit before that review was published. Good movie
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