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It looks like so far only three of my picks have made the list: Sergeant York, Blackhawk Down, and Gone With the Wind.
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That's one of my all time favorite camera shots in all of film as Scarlett is walking through the piles of injured and dead soldiers as Atlanta is topling due to Sherman's March. Truly artful and poignant stuff and while it's a flawed movie for sure, no one can deny it has some of the most powerful moments in all of film.



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I'd put Gone With the Wind in my top 25 favorite movies of al time. I've not seen it in a long time but have a blu-ray copy of it, just in case. Thrilled to see some it make the countdown. It wasn't on my ballot but I probably should've had it. Luv2Viddy said it all...and I agree whole heartily.

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The Human Condition II. I've not even seen The Human Condition I.



The Human Condition II: Road to Eternity was my number 5.


I've not seen Gone with the Wind, and tbh, I have no great desire to.
There are certain type of epic movies that really do nothing for me, and my gut is telling me this is one of them.



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Gone With the Wind is like Pan's Labyrinth, great but not something I think of as a war film first and foremost despite the war scenes so I didn't really think of it for my list. Haven't seen any of the Human Condition films yet.


Still nothing from my list since Kanal but tomorrow is another day...


Seen 26/50
My list 3/25



Frankly, I don't give a damn about Gone With the Wind.

I do like The Human Condition quite a lot though. While it didn't impress me quite as much as I thought it would given everything I heard about it, I did enjoy it quite a bit and found it pretty devastating from beginning to end. Neither of the films were ever in contention for my ballot (I may revisit the trilogy sometime in the future though), but if I were to rank the three films, 3 would be my favorite, followed by 1, and followed by 2.
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The Human Condition II is my #59, Kobayashi is a boss and Tatsuya Nakadai is one of the best actors in Cinema. Definitely belongs on the list. I'm guessing the entire trilogy makes it.

SEEN 32/50
BALLOT 10/25

My War Top 100:

27. A Man Escaped
30. War and Peace I
36. Three Kings
47. Judgment at Nuremberg
48. Twelve O’Clock High
59. The Human Condition II*
68. Hotel Rwanda
70. Hacksaw Ridge
76. Letters from Iwo Jima
77. Ike: Countdown to D-Day
79. Enemy at the Gates
84. The Hill
85. Pan's Labyrinth
86. K-19
94. Breaker Morant
98. Tropic Thunder
100. Jojo Rabbit



Gone With the Wind was my #1. I have the 75th anniversary limited edition 4 disc blu ray box set. I haven't seen The Human Condition. So far, six of the films from my ballot have made the countdown. I think another 12-15 from my list may end up making it.

Seen: 32/50



The Human Condition II: Road to Eternity was my number 5.


I've not seen Gone with the Wind, and tbh, I have no great desire to.
There are certain type of epic movies that really do nothing for me, and my gut is telling me this is one of them.

It's one of the sacred cows of art that I feel comfortable saying stinks. Now, because of my dubious aesthetic preferences, no one with a normal brain should take that diss very seriously. But, I also am usually pretty open to discussing the possibility that maybe I missed something in a film I don't like that everyone else does...but with this one I'm pretty sure nothing would convince me I'm missing anything. At least when it comes to what I'm looking for.


Yes, it's obviously very well made. Yes, it's influential. Yes, it's quotable. But barring that one famous battlefield scene, the rest of the film feels like it was designed to mean nothing to me.



It's one of the sacred cows of art that I feel comfortable saying stinks. Now, because of my dubious aesthetic preferences, no one with a normal brain should take that diss very seriously. But, I also am usually pretty open to discussing the possibility that maybe I missed something in a film I don't like that everyone else does...but with this one I'm pretty sure nothing would convince me I'm missing anything. At least when it comes to what I'm looking for.


Yes, it's obviously very well made. Yes, it's influential. Yes, it's quotable. But barring that one famous battlefield scene, the rest of the film feels like it was designed to mean nothing to me.



What I liked about it was that the romance story always felt like it was real and naturally developing from a real world perspective, much more than the average GOOD romance even.



Beneath the problematic depiction of the Confederacy and the endless and excessive crying and melodramatic scenes in Gone With the Wind, I think there is an interesting story buried way deep inside. Scarlet's obsessiveness and the damage her behavior does to other people in the process of obtaining Rhett makes for a compelling character dynamic, along with an ending which is far more daring than most classic romantic dramas I've come across would dare to come near. But damn, the crap you have to get through in the process of feeling that characterization really sinks that potential like a rock. What I love about the film is wrapped up tight and snug in one of the most annoying packages I've seen in a classic film. To the point it outweighs just about everything I like about it.



I just watched Gone with the Wind for the 1st time a few short years ago. It's an impressive film that I enjoyed.

The Human Condition trilogy is a fantastic achievement in film. I didn't love any of the single films enough to include on my ballot.



Beneath the problematic depiction of the Confederacy and the endless and excessive crying and melodramatic scenes in Gone With the Wind, I think there is an interesting story buried way deep inside. Scarlet's obsessiveness and the damage her behavior does to other people in the process of obtaining Rhett makes for a compelling character dynamic, along with an ending which is far more daring than most classic romantic dramas I've come across would dare to come near. But damn, the crap you have to get through in the process of feeling that characterization really sinks that potential like a rock. What I love about the film is wrapped up tight and snug in one of the most annoying packages I've seen in a classic film. To the point it outweighs just about everything I like about it.
Yeah, basically this.


When I hear people talk about what they love about the movie, and how it resonates with them, I'm always 'ya, that does sound pretty good'. I like extravagance and I like melodrama and what they talk about sounds like this is going to be the perfect representation of that.


But I just don't find it in the film All of those feelings that should be bursting up from the center of it, just fizzle and die when they hit the screen. I know what it is trying for, but it doesn't have the means to relay any of that to me with its grandiose yet flat cinematic properties.


It's lavish and it's over indulgent (both good things) but it just feels like empty calories.


But I get that most people love it, and more power to them.



Hey, I finally got one! It's been a minute.
Here's my ballot so far.

1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7. The Caine Mutiny (1954)
8.
9. Mrs. Miniver (1942)
10. Sergeant York (1941)
11. Breaker Morant (1980)
12.
13.
14.
15.
16.Black Hawk Down (2001)
17.
18.
19.
20.
21.
22.
23.
24.
25. Windtalkers (2002) One-Pointer


I like Pan's Labrynth and Gone with the Wind very much. but neither of them made my ballot. I do not remember why. Gone with the Wind makes me wince a lot but it is still a great movie. There are a lot of embarassing movies from the Thirties. I wonder how long this movie will be remembered. Younger people have very little patience for the blatant racism of old. We white boomer's barely noticed it when we were children. But I saw it not too long ago and it was still a compelling movie.

I enjoyed Master and Commander and Jo Jo Rabbit. I had the same problem with Jo Jo Rabbit as I did with The Boy in the Striped Pajamas and Its a Beautiful Life. It was mawkish but I liked its humor more than that of Its a Beautiful Life.


I think Black Hawk Down was on my list because it was an action picture I actually enjoyed. Most of them leave me cold as an adult.



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Just for information & entertainment sake, this is what Roger Ebert had to say:


Gone With the Wind



Roger Ebert June 21, 1998



"Gone With the Wind” presents a sentimental view of the Civil War, in which the “Old South” takes the place of Camelot and the war was fought not so much to defeat the Confederacy and free the slaves as to give Miss Scarlett O'Hara her comeuppance. But we've known that for years; the tainted nostalgia comes with the territory. Yet as “GWTW” approaches its 60th anniversary, it is still a towering landmark of film, quite simply because it tells a good story, and tells it wonderfully well.
For the story it wanted to tell, it was the right film at the right time. Scarlett O'Hara is not a creature of the 1860s but of the 1930s: a free-spirited, willful modern woman. The way was prepared for her by the flappers of Fitzgerald's jazz age, by the bold movie actresses of the period, and by the economic reality of the Depression, which for the first time put lots of women to work outside their homes.


Scarlett's lusts and headstrong passions have little to do with myths of delicate Southern flowers, and everything to do with the sex symbols of the movies that shaped her creator, Margaret Mitchell: actresses such as Clara Bow, Jean Harlow, Louise Brooks and Mae West. She was a woman who wanted to control her own sexual adventures, and that is the key element in her appeal. She also sought to control her economic destiny in the years after the South collapsed, first by planting cotton and later by running a successful lumber business. She was the symbol the nation needed as it headed into World War II; the spiritual sister of Rosie the Riveter.
Of course, she could not quite be allowed to get away with marrying three times, coveting sweet Melanie's husband Ashley, shooting a plundering Yankee, and banning her third husband from the marital bed in order to protect her petite waistline from the toll of childbearing. It fascinated audiences (it fascinates us still) to see her high-wire defiance in a male chauvinist world, but eventually such behavior had to be punished, and that is what “Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn” is all about. If “GWTW” had ended with Scarlett's unquestioned triumph, it might not have been nearly as successful. Its original audiences (women, I suspect, even more than men) wanted to see her swatted down--even though, of course, tomorrow would be another day.
Rhett Butler was just the man to do it. As he tells Scarlett in a key early scene, “You need kissing badly. That's what's wrong with you. You should be kissed, and often, and by someone who knows how.” For “kissed,” substitute the word you're thinking of. Dialogue like that reaches something deep and fundamental in most people; it stirs their fantasies about being brought to sexual pleasure despite themselves. (“Know why women love the horse whisperer?” I was asked by a woman friend not long ago. “They figure, if that's what he can do with a horse, think what he could do with me.”) Scarlett's confusion is between her sentimental fixation on a tepid “Southern gentleman” (Ashley Wilkes) and her unladylike lust for a bold man (Rhett Butler). The most thrilling struggle in “GWTW” is not between North and South, but between Scarlett's lust and her vanity.


Clark Gable and Vivien Leigh were well matched in the two most coveted movie roles of the era. Both were well-served by a studio system that pumped out idealized profiles and biographies, but we now know what outlaws they were: Gable, the hard-drinking playboy whose studio covered up his scandals; Leigh, the neurotic, drug-abusing beauty who was the despair of every man who loved her.
They brought experience, well-formed tastes and strong egos to their roles, and the camera, which cannot lie and often shows more than the story intends, caught the flash of an eye and the readiness of body language that suggested sexual challenge. Consider the early scene where they first lay eyes on one another during the barbecue at Twelve Oaks. Rhett “exchanges a cool, challenging stare with Scarlett,” observes the critic Tim Dirks. “She notices him undressing her with his eyes: `He looks as if--as if he knows what I look like without my shimmy.' “
If the central drama of “Gone With the Wind” is the rise and fall of a sexual adventuress, the counterpoint is a slanted but passionate view of the Old South. Unlike most historical epics, “GWTW” has a genuine sweep, a convincing feel for the passage of time. It shows the South before, during and after the war, all seen through Scarlett's eyes. And Scarlett is a Southerner. So was Margaret Mitchell. The movie signals its values in the printed narration that opens the film, in language that seems astonishing in its bland, unquestioned assumptions:
“There was a land of Cavaliers and Cotton Fields called the Old South. Here in this pretty world, Gallantry took its last bow. Here was the last ever to be seen of Knights and their Ladies Fair, of Master and of Slave. Look for it only in books, for it is no more than a dream remembered, a Civilization gone with the wind.”
Yes, with the capital letters and all. One does not have to ask if the Slaves saw it the same way. The movie sidesteps the inconvenient fact that plantation gentility was purchased with the sweat of slaves (there is more sympathy for Scarlett getting calluses on her pretty little hands than for all the crimes of slavery). But to its major African-American characters it does at least grant humanity and complexity. Hattie McDaniel, as Mammy, is the most sensible and clear-sighted person in the entire story (she won one of the film's eight Oscars), and although Butterfly McQueen, as Prissy, will always be associated with the line “I don't know nothin' about birthin' babies,” the character as a whole is engaging and subtly subversive.


Remember that when “GWTW” was made, segregation was still the law in the South and the reality in the North. That the Ku Klux Klan was written out of one scene for fear of giving offense to elected officials who belonged to it. The movie comes from a world with values and assumptions fundamentally different from our own--and yet, of course, so does all great classic fiction, starting with Homer and Shakespeare. A politically correct “GWTW” would not be worth making, and might largely be a lie.
As an example of filmmaking craft, “GWTW” is still astonishing. Several directors worked on the film; George Cukor incurred Clark Gable's dislike and was replaced by Victor Fleming, who collapsed from nervous exhaustion and was relieved by Sam Wood and Cameron Menzies. The real auteur was the producer, David O. Selznick, the Steven Spielberg of his day, who understood that the key to mass appeal was the linking of melodrama with state-of-the-art production values. Some of the individual shots in “GWTW” still have the power to leave us breathless, including the burning of Atlanta, the flight to Tara and the “street of dying men” shot, as Scarlett wanders into the street and the camera pulls back until the whole Confederacy seems to lie broken and bleeding as far as the eye can see.
And there is a joyous flamboyance in the visual style that is appealing in these days when so many directors have trained on the blandness of television. Consider an early shot where Scarlett and her father look out over the land, and the camera pulls back, the two figures and a tree held in black silhouette with the landscape behind them. Or the way the flames of Atlanta are framed to backdrop Scarlett's flight in the carriage.
I've seen “Gone With the Wind” in four of its major theatrical revivals--1954, 1961, 1967 (the abortive “widescreen” version) and 1989, and now here is the 1998 restoration. It will be around for years to come, a superb example of Hollywood's art and a time capsule of weathering sentimentality for a Civilization gone with the wind, all right--gone, but not forgotten. Roger Ebert



While I remain woefully ignorant of "foreign" cinema, I have seen 32 of the first 50 reveals.



As someone who enjoys Kobayashi I am surprised I haven't sat down and watched it yet despite the long runtime. I'm sure there are things that I would highly enjoy about it as something to be checked off. Been going thru a dry spell here lately, really hard to sit and watch movies for some reason.

Gone with the Wind found a spot on my ballot @ #16, it never grasped me enough to sit and watch it when I was younger but I finally made myself a few years ago and was quite blown away by the gargantuaness of it all. Never grew into a Clark Gable or Vivien Leigh fan by any stretch but the whole presentation despite some of the mentioned melodrama was never able to destroy my appreciation for the fact that a movie that size got made in those times. I guess I should give a damn.