The Mothman Prophecies

When Laura Linney .... Sgt. Connie Parker drops into the river while inside her car some air is left trapped letting her breath. When Gere goes to save her, he opens up the back window on her jeep and then swims in, catches a breath of air and then pulls her out.

When Laura Linney .... Sgt. Connie Parker drops into the river while inside her car some air is left trapped letting her breath. When Gere goes to save her, he opens up the back window on her jeep and then swims in, catches a breath of air and then pulls her out.

Ahhh, the rules of physicas are odd and wondrous. It's perfectly plausible; the car was "tipped" (cars never float evenly unless water comes from beneath and then they WILL usually tip at some point) in which case, the front end (being shorter than the rear, since it's a Bronco type vehicle) was aimed up. And that's also how it fell in, didn't it, sorta backended into the water. The back window was not actually opened by Gear, I don't think; didn't he just work his way to it, then drag himself in? But even so, the air would have remained in the upper portion until it ran out (was breathed in) and/or the car continued to sink. If they'd stayed much longer, it would have.

Ahhh, the rules of physicas are odd and wondrous. It's perfectly plausible; the car was "tipped" (cars never float evenly unless water comes from beneath and then they WILL usually tip at some point) in which case, the front end (being shorter than the rear, since it's a Bronco type vehicle) was aimed up. And that's also how it fell in, didn't it, sorta backended into the water. The back window was not actually opened by Gear, I don't think; didn't he just work his way to it, then drag himself in? But even so, the air would have remained in the upper portion until it ran out (was breathed in) and/or the car continued to sink. If they'd stayed much longer, it would have.

he didn't answer the F*CKING PHONE!! i'm sorry, but when you're handed that sort of PROOF (not a possibility, come on, the phones ringing UNPLUGGED!!) you don't just WALK away. if things are happening and there's 1) evidence of his friggin voice on tape and 2) evidence that Connie saw his friggin wife even if l'il Ms. Copper is in denial then you don't just say "it's too dubious, let it go." you answer the phone, dammit! that sooooo pissed me off. the nature of the film is trying to know the truth. Connie argues that you can't ever stop anything and "how would you rather remember her?" Basically, opting for blindness. Christmas trees and a warm fire while ugliness happens out there in the world. Yes, cherish the good times but don't opt for the good times just because it's EASIER! just because you're too chicken or selfish or greedy for the good things to FACE a reality/truth, an opportunity that is SO rare and SO personal to Gear's character! *howl of frustration* I tell ya. That right there was a choice i totally understood HER making but i'm mad Gear went along with it. I guess i just hate that in the world in general and the film totally re-enacted that sort of behavior and oooh ... then the end shows Gear was friggin right after all! sheesh.

he didn't answer the F*CKING PHONE!! i'm sorry, but when you're handed that sort of PROOF (not a possibility, come on, the phones ringing UNPLUGGED!!) you don't just WALK away. if things are happening and there's 1) evidence of his friggin voice on tape and 2) evidence that Connie saw his friggin wife even if l'il Ms. Copper is in denial then you don't just say "it's too dubious, let it go." you answer the phone, dammit! that sooooo pissed me off. the nature of the film is trying to know the truth. Connie argues that you can't ever stop anything and "how would you rather remember her?" Basically, opting for blindness. Christmas trees and a warm fire while ugliness happens out there in the world. Yes, cherish the good times but don't opt for the good times just because it's EASIER! just because you're too chicken or selfish or greedy for the good things to FACE a reality/truth, an opportunity that is SO rare and SO personal to Gear's character! *howl of frustration* I tell ya. That right there was a choice i totally understood HER making but i'm mad Gear went along with it. I guess i just hate that in the world in general and the film totally re-enacted that sort of behavior and oooh ... then the end shows Gear was friggin right after all! sheesh.

I mean, yeah, I know she died, but i mean, they show her getting ready to go somewhere and taking her diary earlier that day ... and he's going to meet her, right? but she deliberately doesn't answer the phone ... where's she going? why are we seeing this - her alone, this pov, when this is all supposed to from HIS pov? then the next thing we know they're together going to look at a house, then the moth/closet thing, then the crash. and then he later explains how just two weeks before, they were house hunting, when she's in the hospital. and i guess there's just this weird conflict for me with how they showed her going off alone like that in the beginning ... almost like she had some secret life but they never showed us MORE of it ... and at the same time, if she did, they shouldn't have shown it to us at all, in moviemaking terms, that pov thing just wasn't fair/right.

I mean, yeah, I know she died, but i mean, they show her getting ready to go somewhere and taking her diary earlier that day ... and he's going to meet her, right? but she deliberately doesn't answer the phone ... where's she going? why are we seeing this - her alone, this pov, when this is all supposed to from HIS pov? then the next thing we know they're together going to look at a house, then the moth/closet thing, then the crash. and then he later explains how just two weeks before, they were house hunting, when she's in the hospital. and i guess there's just this weird conflict for me with how they showed her going off alone like that in the beginning ... almost like she had some secret life but they never showed us MORE of it ... and at the same time, if she did, they shouldn't have shown it to us at all, in moviemaking terms, that pov thing just wasn't fair/right.

Of course he didn't answer the phone! Mr. Leet (GREAT NAME) made it VERY clear: if you find out, you die. It's just that simple. They won't let you live if you really know. That's what the phone thing was about...pick it up to KNOW, and die eventually...or walk away while you still can. He chose the latter.

I have a few gripes...Indrid Cold is a weird name. I think it's weird for the Mothman to have a name at all...or talk like that. What the hell does it want? What is it? An answer or two would've been nice. It was a good, creepy movie, though.

Of course he didn't answer the phone! Mr. Leet (GREAT NAME) made it VERY clear: if you find out, you die. It's just that simple. They won't let you live if you really know. That's what the phone thing was about...pick it up to KNOW, and die eventually...or walk away while you still can. He chose the latter.

I have a few gripes...Indrid Cold is a weird name. I think it's weird for the Mothman to have a name at all...or talk like that. What the hell does it want? What is it? An answer or two would've been nice. It was a good, creepy movie, though.

Mr. Leet did not make it clear that you die. He made it clear that it will consume your life - trying to learn the truth ... and the "mystery" of what Indrid Cold is is not left up in the air and is in fact partially explained, by Mr. Leet nonetheless ...

Here's the deal. Mothman is not alone; there are others. Whatever they are, they know of the world beyond death and of time; they know the future, they know our thoughts, they know the "dark side." Mr. Leet said - if they find out that you know they WANT to communicate through you because it is RARE (he said this) for anyone to notice at ALL. the fact that you notice makes you SPECIAL - it will drive you mad/distract you (as it did his wife) or they will REACH you and bring you to the other side. maybe you'll be happy there's something more beyond death, and that's the gist, which, ironically, the movie Dragonfly is also touching on.

Because, the nature of pov - we SEE his wife and Gear DOESN'T. Sure, the mothman can pretend voices (over the phone) but he has never pretended appearance. that was his wife that passed him on the street and walked into the precinct to talk to the blonde chick.

What I got was a sense of creatures whose motives we don't know - they could be good or bad - but, regardless, they want to COMMUNICATE - and they keep trying, but obviously, what they know can pull someone out of our world and into theirs - in a way, a theft. But, if what they say can HELP mankind, can reach him on a level that most men are not capable of because of whatever (weakness, deliberate blindness, etc) can take you to a realm and level above and beyond the corporeal or whatever, is it worth it?

In Gear's case, I would say it was. You have to learn to play the rules - Leet learned that he couldn't, and that to live free of it he'd prefer to pretend to ignorance. So would the blonde cop.

As for the temporal lobe thing - one wonders if someone could withstand knowledge without that death. Gear and Will Patton weren't the only ones who saw it. Everyone in that town saw it - do they all die of the same mysterious brain tumor? i don't think so. they choose to blank it out, yes, and live. but there's a question of whether, if you DON'T choose to blank it out - will you definitely die, or are they looking for the person who can withstand the communication, the knowledge, the person these beings want to communicate through?

sure, it's true, maybe Gear wasn't that person and would just pop a vessel. or ... maybe not. i guess ... in a way, I'd rather know. i'd rather know what i must face than hide away from it. if his wife is walking around and existing in some form - and was "taken" by this thing, I'm sorry, I don't care how loving the blonde cop is, I've got the proof, I'm not going to betray my wife and that love to cling to ignorance so we can all be happy and live the happy life. i'm going to face it.

and that's that.

Mr. Leet did not make it clear that you die. He made it clear that it will consume your life - trying to learn the truth ... and the "mystery" of what Indrid Cold is is not left up in the air and is in fact partially explained, by Mr. Leet nonetheless ...

Here's the deal. Mothman is not alone; there are others. Whatever they are, they know of the world beyond death and of time; they know the future, they know our thoughts, they know the "dark side." Mr. Leet said - if they find out that you know they WANT to communicate through you because it is RARE (he said this) for anyone to notice at ALL. the fact that you notice makes you SPECIAL - it will drive you mad/distract you (as it did his wife) or they will REACH you and bring you to the other side. maybe you'll be happy there's something more beyond death, and that's the gist, which, ironically, the movie Dragonfly is also touching on.

Because, the nature of pov - we SEE his wife and Gear DOESN'T. Sure, the mothman can pretend voices (over the phone) but he has never pretended appearance. that was his wife that passed him on the street and walked into the precinct to talk to the blonde chick.

What I got was a sense of creatures whose motives we don't know - they could be good or bad - but, regardless, they want to COMMUNICATE - and they keep trying, but obviously, what they know can pull someone out of our world and into theirs - in a way, a theft. But, if what they say can HELP mankind, can reach him on a level that most men are not capable of because of whatever (weakness, deliberate blindness, etc) can take you to a realm and level above and beyond the corporeal or whatever, is it worth it?

In Gear's case, I would say it was. You have to learn to play the rules - Leet learned that he couldn't, and that to live free of it he'd prefer to pretend to ignorance. So would the blonde cop.

As for the temporal lobe thing - one wonders if someone could withstand knowledge without that death. Gear and Will Patton weren't the only ones who saw it. Everyone in that town saw it - do they all die of the same mysterious brain tumor? i don't think so. they choose to blank it out, yes, and live. but there's a question of whether, if you DON'T choose to blank it out - will you definitely die, or are they looking for the person who can withstand the communication, the knowledge, the person these beings want to communicate through?

sure, it's true, maybe Gear wasn't that person and would just pop a vessel. or ... maybe not. i guess ... in a way, I'd rather know. i'd rather know what i must face than hide away from it. if his wife is walking around and existing in some form - and was "taken" by this thing, I'm sorry, I don't care how loving the blonde cop is, I've got the proof, I'm not going to betray my wife and that love to cling to ignorance so we can all be happy and live the happy life. i'm going to face it.

and that's that.

Okay, it wasn't definitive, but the "learn about it and you die" thing is DEFINITELY what was implied to me. I think it consuming your life is just what happens beforehand...like with Patton. This stuff was bugging him constantly before he actually bit the dust.

I would not do it. There are many things in this world I will NEVER understand...and, if I knew that I'd live an empy, consumed life, or die (I still think that death was implied, in a way), simply to know what some big bugman wants with me...I don't think I'd do it. I'll find out the truth one day anyway.

Was gonna say more...I forget what else was on my mind, though. Ah well.

Okay, it wasn't definitive, but the "learn about it and you die" thing is DEFINITELY what was implied to me. I think it consuming your life is just what happens beforehand...like with Patton. This stuff was bugging him constantly before he actually bit the dust.

I would not do it. There are many things in this world I will NEVER understand...and, if I knew that I'd live an empy, consumed life, or die (I still think that death was implied, in a way), simply to know what some big bugman wants with me...I don't think I'd do it. I'll find out the truth one day anyway.

Was gonna say more...I forget what else was on my mind, though. Ah well.

I did not get the interpretation from Lear that once you know you will be dead, but rather, it NEVER gets to that point. You will never truly know, and your whole life will be consumed trying to find out. Lear explicitly said that the Mothmen will never let you truly "know".

The only thing I didn't like either was the mothams motives with Geres character. What was his point imitating her going into the police station (if that was even the case)? I mean, just to mess with him? It didn't make sense really. Communication seemed to be the key. As Indrid said, "Do not be scared". He doesnt want to hurt anyone, hes just relaying messages. But then I am brought back to geres character. Why is his game so much more elaborate? Whats he trying to say about his wife for cripes sake? lol And when he is talking of these coming accidents you never really get the idea if he is warning you to help stop it, or warning you of what he is going to do. Or both?

I did not get the interpretation from Lear that once you know you will be dead, but rather, it NEVER gets to that point. You will never truly know, and your whole life will be consumed trying to find out. Lear explicitly said that the Mothmen will never let you truly "know".

The only thing I didn't like either was the mothams motives with Geres character. What was his point imitating her going into the police station (if that was even the case)? I mean, just to mess with him? It didn't make sense really. Communication seemed to be the key. As Indrid said, "Do not be scared". He doesnt want to hurt anyone, hes just relaying messages. But then I am brought back to geres character. Why is his game so much more elaborate? Whats he trying to say about his wife for cripes sake? lol And when he is talking of these coming accidents you never really get the idea if he is warning you to help stop it, or warning you of what he is going to do. Or both?

You're right, your life is consumed and I DO see that as a waste - if there's no goal. Leet/Lear, whatever his name is, DID say that "they'll never let you know" but I don't think that's true. But Patton looked at peace, as if he'd reached some knowledge, pleased with himself as if he'd had a revelation and it was worth it. And because we are unsure of motives on the Mothman's part, we don't know if it was him pretending to be Patton an hour before on the phone so Gere would run to find him or whether it really WAS Patton reaching through "death" to tell him he'd found whatever it was he was after and that it was worth it.

As for the wife - she is different and exists after death. Which made me wonder if that tumor, as rare as it is, is NOT death ... physically it takes you in some sense but ... She's still wandering around! or is she a ghost? As for "appearing" to be the wife and really being the Mothman, it was never shown that he could pretend a body, only a voice ...

But this also confuses me because, if you think of it, it could just be about realities. It seems Mothman and his ilk have access to all these sort of realms. There are others like him - as Leet described. These beings have powers that Leet can't even fully describe, and isn't even aware of the limits. Gere had no knowledge of being in that town TWICE before at the same time with the same car breakdown knocking on Patton's door. Yet Patton WAS aware. And later, Patton had no knowledge of having called Gere and introduced Mothman.

To hold Gere in town - Who did that? Who controlled it so that he came to this town and couldn't leave it until he began to explore the mystery of the events in the town? The Mothman apparently has the ability to control time, space, boundaries ... and perhaps to let humans reach some other form of existence other than a generic "death."

As for the wife - she wants to know why Gere is there! She asked the cop QUESTIONS that the Mothman would already know the answers to! She is different from her original self and truly seemed to exist on her own - has Mothman given her some new existence, has she come to this scene because of her own desire to make Gere happy and her sense of failure at it? Does she exist after death to make sure that Gere comes to this town, and does she work with/use Mothman's abilities to make sure that Gere saves the one chick that CAN make him happy?

Because, after all, the cop had a dream that she definitely WAS going to survive. But if Gere hadn't been there, if he'd decided to pick up the phone, who would have saved her? Was it a struggle between his wife and Mothman for his life/soul? Did Mothman want Gere to become like Patton, and his wife want him to live on normally?

and if his wife DOES have something to do with it like I said ... I'd need some resolution about her fate and what she wants for me before I can go on and live my very Brady life.

You're right, your life is consumed and I DO see that as a waste - if there's no goal. Leet/Lear, whatever his name is, DID say that "they'll never let you know" but I don't think that's true. But Patton looked at peace, as if he'd reached some knowledge, pleased with himself as if he'd had a revelation and it was worth it. And because we are unsure of motives on the Mothman's part, we don't know if it was him pretending to be Patton an hour before on the phone so Gere would run to find him or whether it really WAS Patton reaching through "death" to tell him he'd found whatever it was he was after and that it was worth it.

As for the wife - she is different and exists after death. Which made me wonder if that tumor, as rare as it is, is NOT death ... physically it takes you in some sense but ... She's still wandering around! or is she a ghost? As for "appearing" to be the wife and really being the Mothman, it was never shown that he could pretend a body, only a voice ...

But this also confuses me because, if you think of it, it could just be about realities. It seems Mothman and his ilk have access to all these sort of realms. There are others like him - as Leet described. These beings have powers that Leet can't even fully describe, and isn't even aware of the limits. Gere had no knowledge of being in that town TWICE before at the same time with the same car breakdown knocking on Patton's door. Yet Patton WAS aware. And later, Patton had no knowledge of having called Gere and introduced Mothman.

To hold Gere in town - Who did that? Who controlled it so that he came to this town and couldn't leave it until he began to explore the mystery of the events in the town? The Mothman apparently has the ability to control time, space, boundaries ... and perhaps to let humans reach some other form of existence other than a generic "death."

As for the wife - she wants to know why Gere is there! She asked the cop QUESTIONS that the Mothman would already know the answers to! She is different from her original self and truly seemed to exist on her own - has Mothman given her some new existence, has she come to this scene because of her own desire to make Gere happy and her sense of failure at it? Does she exist after death to make sure that Gere comes to this town, and does she work with/use Mothman's abilities to make sure that Gere saves the one chick that CAN make him happy?

Because, after all, the cop had a dream that she definitely WAS going to survive. But if Gere hadn't been there, if he'd decided to pick up the phone, who would have saved her? Was it a struggle between his wife and Mothman for his life/soul? Did Mothman want Gere to become like Patton, and his wife want him to live on normally?

and if his wife DOES have something to do with it like I said ... I'd need some resolution about her fate and what she wants for me before I can go on and live my very Brady life.