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And this is why Neo Noir needs to be involved, more options to choose from then just black and white movies in the 40s and 50s, the Noir genre represents more than that.

Like I said before this might be a lot of work but with the right research and wanting to make this a good noir list without surrendering some restrictions to the point where "well anyone can vote for anything that they think is a noir movie" I think we'll be good to go.

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You're absolutely right. After I made the 3rd post on this thread and said I would have two ballots (classic noir & neo noir), some people then chose to vote for noir because they liked the neo noir part....and of course some only meant to vote for classic noir.

No, we won't be stuck with just 40s and 50s noir. We need to get neo noir in there too. I knew that from day one that most people like neo noir and only some classic noir fans. So that's why I've been campaigning for two separate list. It's twice the fun and won't take any longer than a regular countdown and it will be faster than the War countdown was. It doesn't take away anyone's fun by trying something a little different this time.

So no worries everyone will get their cake and get to eat it too

Sounds good, I'm sure you'll do a good job at this

I'm assuming that even with two list curators, there's still only going to be 50 Noir movies and 50 Neo-Noir movies?

Because if so that takes away any desire I have to explore Neo Noir, since the chances of any one film making the cut have been - rather arbitrarily IMO - slashed dramatically. Each established favorite of mine is going to need as many points as it can possibly get since a Neo Noir movie could get significantly more points than whatever the 50th most popular Noir film was, but still not make the countdown because it wasn't at least the 50th most popular Neo-Noir. If you're going to separate them and insist that they are different genres, then actually separate them and give each one a proper countdown like every other genre had instead of this truncated BS or at the very least put up a poll to decide if the MoFo community (rather than just a vocal minority) wants separate lists or a combined one before starting.

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That's the general idea, I really don't think there's enough interest in either to do a full 100. Though myself I wouldn't mind doing a full top 100. So I'll follow what Chypmunk did for the Pre1930s and use his formula:

Do we have two ballots? Will each ballot have 25 entries? I know you don't have details yet, but will need to balance my viewing between classic and neo noir according to requirements.

Two ballots of 25 each, with the usual 10 minimum.

Thanks

So I see the poll closes tomorrow....

I'm all ready to start the Noir preliminary countdown thread on Noirvember 1st! And have a lot of activities planned to support it.


Thief will be hosting the Neo Noir countdown and will decided what rules and guidelines to use. Thief kicked ass on the last countdown he hosted so the Neo Noir countdown should be awesome!

Will be interesting

Sounds good. Presumably a guideline will have to be set determining what years should separate noir from neo-noir. For example, classic noir from 1941 thru 1959. Neo-noir beyond that. Whatever the hosts decide between them.

Is there a final decision which of these is when?
Personally, I'd like them almost simultaneously. Meaning, the final presentation to be one after another immediately.

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I'm still talking to Thief who's hosting the New Noir countdown. It's up to him how he does that countdown but I think both countdowns might run at the same time, so yeah like simultaneously is very possible.


BTW I just started the The MoFo Top Film Noir Countdown - Preliminary Thread
and a Noir Hall of Fame thread Check them out!

I think it would be cool to have two separate dueling thread countdowns the more I think about it!

@Thief you hear that! I think so too, let's hope.

Yes if I had a vote both would be running at the same time, in the same thread, each posting one a day.

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The Noir countdown preliminary thread has been up for almost a week. What’s the eta on Neo Noir?

Soon. Real life has been merciless with me this week (month? year!?), but we also thought it would be good to let the Noir one fly a bit before putting the Neo-noir one out. But my expectations are to have something up within the next 2 or 3 days.

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As promised!

The MoFo Top Neo-noir Countdown - Preliminary Thread