Oscar's Best Picture (2009)

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Which of these movies will win Best Picture?
25.00%
8 votes
THE CURIOUS CASE OF BENJAMIN BUTTON
3.13%
1 votes
FROST/NIXON
15.63%
5 votes
MILK
3.13%
1 votes
THE READER
53.13%
17 votes
SLUMDOG MILLIONAIRE
32 votes. You may not vote on this poll




What he said. I also second that you should go ahead and watch it. I'm not as enamored with it as some but that doesn't mean it isn't good. It is, I just found a good chunk of it depressing. Oh well, these are the kind of films that win awards. The more depressing the better it seems. At times anyway. Which is a perfect example of why The Reader got in. A totally depressing "tearjerker" that is supposed to really mean something to someone.

EDIT: On that note however Slumdog Millionaire is a happy happy joy joy fest compared to The Reader.
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Gotta say, it looks like Slumdog is sweeping everything including DGA and PGA. I might be wrong, but it has seemed like the DGA has been a better predictor in recent years than the PGA but hey, it won both!

I had planned to see it this weekend, but that didn't work out... and had also planned to see Frost/Nixon (love those policitical movies!) last week, but a little snow/ice ruined that. I hope to catch them all soon... but this film has a ton of loyality and emotional attachment and so at this moment, I'd predict it as the winner.

And about The Reader -- well, it seems every year there is a film that has mixed reviews and still gets nominated, but it sounds to me an intriguing film with an amazing performance by Kate, and I don't get the porno reference. That seems a bit much....I really want to see it because of Kate and the moral dilemna it explores regarding her character being a Nazi guard. I can't wait to see it.



It's not a porno reference, its true. But its a movie so its art? Well, maybe after you see it you'll see what I mean. Kate was much better in Revolutionary Road I says.



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Here's my thoughts on Milk by the way. I already posted it in my reviews but figured I would here since most of the talk is in here.

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Milk (2008, Gus Van Sant)



For the second time in several years we get a homosexuality themed film that features A-list males making out on screen. I reckon that's a good thing. Gus Van Sant tackles this project/biopic based on San Francisco city supervisor Harvey Milk who was assassinated in 1978. This is not the first time his story's been covered cinematically. In 1984 The Life of Harvey Milk was a documentary that came out and while superior to the non-doc version that Van Sant just release I still wouldn't say that's an insult to Sant.
Homosexuallity seems to be topic Van Sant is versed in, as he too is gay and has made my favorite gay-themed film in My Own Private Idaho. Milk is more mainstream and straight-forward than that film. It is good that we have become open minded enough that a film like this can do well critically and commercially.
Now about Sean Penn. Great actor and great performance. No real surprise there. Should he win the Academy Award for best actor? Maybe, though I'd rather see it go to Rourke, a less acceptable and recognized choice. I thought Penn got it right. The look of Harvey Milk and even the way he talks isn't far off. His behavior and mannerisms are good. It's easy to see Penn did his homework in no doubt watching clips of Milk himself.
The pacing of the movie was as good as a biopic can be. I always think it's difficult to cover a lot of ground in two hours and the last eight years of Harvey Milk's life is no exception. They say no bad movie is short enough and no good movie is to long, that's the case here as Milk is a good movie. I would have rather had a three hour long film that took more time to pace itself out, but Van Sant has never really made long pictures.
I think the political angle of the film works well. I understand how the striking down of Proposition 6 was the major contribution of his short public career, but it would have been nice to see Milk presented as a politician who happened to be gay rather than a gay politician. All too often homosexuality is seen as the prominent force in shaping the identity of gays. I'm mostly heterosexual, but it doesn't matter because gay or straight sexuality is the least interesting thing about a person. The more we define ourselves by sex, gay or straight, the more we are bound by silly limitations. I have been around the gay culture and it's a very insecure and youth oriented culture by its own design. Once we get beyond sexuality being a culture we can truely get down to defeating discrimination. Milk seem to treat its characters as though they were their sexuality instead of simply having a preference.
I do think the relationship between James Franco and Penn was excellent. I would have much rather seen him get the supporting actor nod than film-mate Brolin. I would argue that more of the film's success depends on him than Brolin, but who knows. The film is an actor's tour-de-force.
One thing that did bog the film down was Diego Luna's character because it seemed under-written or focused on. It simply was tacked on and bogged the film down. I did not connect with that relationship the way I did with the others. I almost forgot to give props to Emile Hirsch who was excellent as Cleve Jones and Van Sant's recreation of a 1970's San Francisco.

Grade: B
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You're the nob.

No, there are no Musical moments in the film. It is, as I said, a CODA, but it perfectly mirrors the idealized love the two characters share and for a production that shot in India but didn't use any of the cinematic language of their mainstream film culture it was a fun, funny, witty and joyous celebration of that tradition, so self-conscious that it almost borders on parody. All in all a terrific way to end the flick.

But just watch the frippin' movie.
I know I'm a nob who needs to type slower and proof read faster. So be it.

I didn't know what a CODA was. I looked online and it said "a passage which brings a movement or piece to a conclusion through prolongation."

I might have to watch more Bollywood films to appreciate the "nod" then.

Holden,

what did you think of Diego Luna's part in Milk? Like I said in my review, I thought it was really unfleshed out because by that point in the movie we were already focused on too many other things. Was it meant to be a relationship more focused on sex than emotion? Whereas I would say the Franco relationship was probably the opposite. I think Luna's character was insecure and wanted Milk to save him. I just thought the whole thing didn't work well and the ultimate conclusion of that substory which had Milk in tears just seemed... well... off and non-connecting for me.



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What he said. I also second that you should go ahead and watch it. I'm not as enamored with it as some but that doesn't mean it isn't good. It is, I just found a good chunk of it depressing. Oh well, these are the kind of films that win awards. The more depressing the better it seems. At times anyway. Which is a perfect example of why The Reader got in. A totally depressing "tearjerker" that is supposed to really mean something to someone.

EDIT: On that note however Slumdog Millionaire is a happy happy joy joy fest compared to The Reader.
Well the most happy happy joy joy moment this year came at the end of Milk with the candle light homage to the man as 10's of thousands marched through the streets of San Francisco.

Also I felt that sense of joy and optomism when Mickey Rourke went on an outing with his daughter and danced with her after sneaking into that ballroom on the boardwalk. Of course I had a feeling the ending wouldn't be so optimistic, but in one sense I guess it could be taken that way.

I wouldn't say Milk is depressing nor would I say all of The Wrestler is depressing. Both had tragedy for sure but I don't think that translates to depressing always.

I haven't seen The Reader.



I wouldn't say Milk is depressing nor would I say all of The Wrestler is depressing. Both had tragedy for sure but I don't think that translates to depressing always.

I haven't seen The Reader.
Right. I didn't think Milk was completely depressing either. The overall story was though. I mean, its an important tale and America in particular needs to see it. But there were pretty large portions of the story that were depressing.

The only trouble I see with the rest of your analogy is that The Wrestler didn't get a nod for Best Picture. It should have, if the bar is only as high as The Reader but what do I know.



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I'm not surprised it didn't get a best picture nomination. Despite how great of a movie it is, it's still about professional wrestling, which is still looked down on by a large portion of the population and probably even more so by people who vote on the nominees. I'm just glad Rourke got his nomination. Like Holden I think he should have been nominated in 1987, but unlike Holden I would go with Angel Heart rather than Barfly. Both are A movies and A performances.

How many great movies are there about professional wrestling? The only one I can think of is Night and the City which starred Richard Widmark back in the 1950's. Maybe Requiem for a Heavyweight - also in the 50's but that had more to do with boxing.

Most people probably think of Ready to Rumble or garbage like that.



You're the nob.

No, there are no Musical moments in the film. It is, as I said, a CODA, but it perfectly mirrors the idealized love the two characters share and for a production that shot in India but didn't use any of the cinematic language of their mainstream film culture it was a fun, funny, witty and joyous celebration of that tradition, so self-conscious that it almost borders on parody. All in all a terrific way to end the flick.

But just watch the frippin' movie.
I so agree with you Holden, the ending of Slumdog was glorious! Shame we don;t get up and dance in the cinema in the UK cos I would've done at the end . It reminded me loads of the brilliant ending of Zatoichi (Takeshi Kitano version) ..some people sneered at that but at the fan showing I went to at the London Film Fest everyone cheered.



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I so agree with you Holden, the ending of Slumdog was glorious! Shame we don;t get up and dance in the cinema in the UK cos I would've done at the end . It reminded me loads of the brilliant ending of Zatoichi (Takeshi Kitano version) ..some people sneered at that but at the fan showing I went to at the London Film Fest everyone cheered.

It's been several years since I've watched The Blind Swordsman but I vaguely remember that.



Slumdog millionaire



The Curious Case of Benjamin Button


Frost/Nixon


Milk



The Reader


Slumdog Millionaire



As you may be able to surmise from my ratings of the nominees, I'm not totally thrilled with the Academy picks this year. Curious Case and Frost/Nixon both struck me as solid technical achievements but neither story moved me to the point that I wasn't fidgeting in my seat hoping that there was more to the film than just pretty pictures. Milk and The Reader were better and I recently posted somewhat lengthy write-ups for both in the Movie Tab. My favorite of the bunch is Slumdog Millionaire. I've seen it multiple times now and the general effect of happiness that it hits you with the first time is still there the second and third time. It really is an all-around great movie and I hope it wins the Best Pic category and I actually believe it will. So... yay.



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I voted for Milk, although I think the academy will lean more towards Button. I myself would like to see The Reader win.
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Is the winner A) The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, B) MILK, C) Slumdog Millionaire or D) one of those other two that have just about zero chance?

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It is written that Slumdog Millionaire wins. It's won every other flippin' award out there. In fact, it may be amassing some record for popularity for winning Awards. I believe that it was Swedish Chef's pan of the flick which galvanized Slumdog's international fans and made sure that it wouldn't lose any major Best Picture Awards from allegedly-credentialed organizations. Swedey, you didn't realize you were so influential, did you?
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Well, I always thought my opinions held some kind of sway over the universe, but it is nice to get that confirmation every now and again. I actually saw Slumdog again recently with my little sister and I'm thinking maybe I was a bit too harsh on it. Still wildly overrated, though. Anyway, here are my Lusty Argonian-inspired grades for the five nominees, now that I've seen The Reader...

Ben Button, C+
Frost/Nixon, B-
Milk, B+
The Reader, D
Slumdog, C-

Disappointing crop this year. I could give a **** who wins, but I voted for Milk.