‘The Holdovers’ Accused of Plagiarism by ‘Luca’ Screenwriter
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Speaking of, it's not clear what this ominous threat of tagging is supposed to represent. Tag them when...what? I don't see a single person in this thread claiming this will result in anything. It's just a discussion about whether it's likely to be true or not, which would not in any way be disproven by any (or any lack of) resolution.
This seems like some made up some win condition where, if we don't get a prosecution or public admission, it'll be treated as some kind of definitive conclusion. Which is of course nonsense: it's plausible (likely, even) that nothing formal will come of this whether it's true or not, for a bunch of reasons.
This seems like some made up some win condition where, if we don't get a prosecution or public admission, it'll be treated as some kind of definitive conclusion. Which is of course nonsense: it's plausible (likely, even) that nothing formal will come of this whether it's true or not, for a bunch of reasons.
I can't be bothered to read 5 pages of this so I'm sorry if this has been mentioned but erm, The Holdovers already completely stole the concept of the film from another film. Now it's accused of swiping the script too?
Hmmm, it's a film that's gone down in my estimations
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merlusse
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0026703...m_6_q_merlusse
Hmmm, it's a film that's gone down in my estimations
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merlusse
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0026703...m_6_q_merlusse
Merlusse (1935)
Synopsis:
A tough teacher charged with looking after the students left behind at a boarding school during the Christmas holidays rises to the challenge and comes to better understand the boys in his care.
Synopsis:
A tough teacher charged with looking after the students left behind at a boarding school during the Christmas holidays rises to the challenge and comes to better understand the boys in his care.
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I started to read through this and my head hurt, so I stopped. All I wanted to add is that one of my all-time favorite movies was made from a partially plagiarized script. The director did not know it at the time, but Scorsese's After Hours (1985) was made from a script by Joseph Minion. Turns out he took the concept, some memorable details, and even bits of dialogue from a radio monologue he heard on NPR performed by Joe Frank. The entire twelve-minute radio piece is included in the below article...
https://andrewhearst.com/blog/2008/0...es-after-hours
Plaster of Paris bagel-and-cream-cheese paperweights, Man. Frank was paid an undisclosed amount of money by Warner Brothers.
And none of that detracts at all from my enjoyment of the movie. Of course.
https://andrewhearst.com/blog/2008/0...es-after-hours
Plaster of Paris bagel-and-cream-cheese paperweights, Man. Frank was paid an undisclosed amount of money by Warner Brothers.
And none of that detracts at all from my enjoyment of the movie. Of course.
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Nothing grows in a vacuum of course, but credit should be given where due.
I read the other day that the Kevin Spacey film 'K-Pax' is entirely a rip off of a Spanish film called 'Man facing South East'. No credit, no acknowledgement.No nothing.
K Pax: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0272152/?ref_=tt_trv_trv
Man Facing SouthEast : https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091214/
The creator of the spanish film, which was made 14 years previously, tried to sue the writer of the novel that K-Pax was based on. But as always, those with no money can't do anything about it. He was forced to drop the case, and never received a penny from the novel or K-Pax.
I read the other day that the Kevin Spacey film 'K-Pax' is entirely a rip off of a Spanish film called 'Man facing South East'. No credit, no acknowledgement.No nothing.
K Pax: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0272152/?ref_=tt_trv_trv
Man Facing SouthEast : https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091214/
The creator of the spanish film, which was made 14 years previously, tried to sue the writer of the novel that K-Pax was based on. But as always, those with no money can't do anything about it. He was forced to drop the case, and never received a penny from the novel or K-Pax.
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But as always, those with no money can't do anything about it. He was forced to drop the case, and never received a penny from the novel or K-Pax.
My assumption is that it's just an inherently hard thing to prove, even if you've got money, or good representation, or whatever.
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I'm curious as to how strong the case was, legally speaking, since people who have a good case but can't pay legal fees upfront usually can find a lawyer who'll take the case for a percentage of the settlement.
Yet it was thrown out of court for being unproveable. Absolute madness.
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I'm not sure that a one size fits all approach works here. Have you heard the song that was apparently ripped off by Led Zeppelin for 'Stairway to Heaven' ? The intro is near identical. It's almost a carbon copy. Given the fact that the bands were around at the time and possibly even shared a billing together, it's totally conceivable that Led Zep stole it.
Yet it was thrown out of court for being unproveable. Absolute madness.
Yet it was thrown out of court for being unproveable. Absolute madness.
Yes these things are insanely hard to prove legally. And even in the Zeppelin instance, where the openings of the song are pretty nearly identical, Page was also known as a fan of the particular group he ripped off, not to mention the dreadful history Zeppelin had with ripping off all sorts of other songs without giving credit. It was kinda their thing for a while.
Legally though, still not enough.
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My assumption is that it's just an inherently hard thing to prove, even if you've got money, or good representation, or whatever.
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My assumption is that it's just an inherently hard thing to prove, even if you've got money, or good representation, or whatever.
A month in no lawsuit....also Plagerism Today addressed the issue,
https://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2024...-a-plagiarism/
The Problems with the Case
While the similarities between the films are obvious, when you look at the specifics of the complaint, the wheels begin to come off.
For much of the document, Stephenson highlights various scenes that he says the two films share that are nearly identical. However, even a cursory examination of those scenes who that not only are they not identical, but they are also not very similar, with very different dialog and other elements.
Instead, what the scenes have in common deals more with the structure of the movie. For example, a boss calling an employee into their office or two characters getting stuck together in a quiet place (library vs. quiet carriage).
While the similarities between the films are obvious, when you look at the specifics of the complaint, the wheels begin to come off.
For much of the document, Stephenson highlights various scenes that he says the two films share that are nearly identical. However, even a cursory examination of those scenes who that not only are they not identical, but they are also not very similar, with very different dialog and other elements.
Instead, what the scenes have in common deals more with the structure of the movie. For example, a boss calling an employee into their office or two characters getting stuck together in a quiet place (library vs. quiet carriage).
It's looking more and more that this was a smear campaign. Disney lied on this films name and once the facts came out it was buried. I'm posting this as Disney just fought off a change in CEO this week which was another campaign from the company.
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A I'm posting this as Disney just fought off a change in CEO this week
Absolutely no such thing happened.
https://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...r-nelson-peltz
Yeah you didn't even make a thread about that.
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Did you even bother reading the story? Because what happened was absolutely not at all what you claimed. Not by a long shot.
https://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...r-nelson-peltz
Yeah you didn't even make a thread about that.
Yeah you didn't even make a thread about that.
Be honest: did you read it, or did you just see the title?
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It's looking more and more that this was a smear campaign.
This seems like some made up some win condition where, if we don't get a prosecution or public admission, it'll be treated as some kind of definitive conclusion. Which is of course nonsense: it's plausible (likely, even) that nothing formal will come of this whether it's true or not, for a bunch of reasons.
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This article says Pelz was trying to get a seat on the board, not replace Iger as CEO.
Be honest: did you read it, or did you just see the title?
Be honest: did you read it, or did you just see the title?
So if anyone claims that "Disney fought off a change in CEO" or anything even remotely like that, it just shows they have absolutely no idea what's going on. All that happened this week was a vote for the company's board of directors.
And that, by the way, has absolutely nothing at all to do with the allegation levied at "The Holdovers".