What's your favorite banned book?

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Originally Posted by susan
you are right to a point..but eventually kids will start sneaking around trying to read something that's been banned..my mother did that with the show hair when i was a kid...she never stopped me from listening to it like some other parents did..we just looked up all the dirty words we didn't understand in the dictionary anyway...
I didn't say banned, Susan. I said don't make them available. Don't have raunchy sex and gory murder books in elementary school libraries. Not banned. Unavailable.


Originally Posted by Electric Wizard
The Anarchists Cookbook
You've read it or heard of it? And where is it banned?
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I have read it.... I had to download it off the internet, because I could not find it and apparently it's illegal in the US and Canada.. or so i've heard.
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Originally Posted by Electric Wizard
I have read it.... I had to download it off the internet, because I could not find it and apparently it's illegal in the US and Canada.. or so i've heard.
What's it about? I'm curious.



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It's basically a whole bunch of weird stuff.. How to make bombs, molotov cocktails and other stuff like that.. I havent read it in a while it got deleted last time I took my computer in... bastards and them having to whipe my HD. But yeah it's a pretty interesting read....



Guys and gals, firstly, I want to thank you all for contributing to this thread. It means a lot to me because this topic means a lot to me, personally. Censorship, in any form, is one of those things that really hits a raw nerve in me because it's about restricting a person's worldview. At the same time, however, I agree with LordSlaytan that some forms of censorship are reasonable, necessary and inevitable--I certainly wouldn't want my kids to be reading hardcore pornography at an impressionable age.

Let me quote an anecdote that a friend of mine recently related to me. He told me about Mark, a Russian immigrant to the US that he is acquainted with. Mark went to a grocery store wanting to buy some coffee. He asked the store manager for some coffee. The store manager directed him to a shelf in the store which was stacked with a variety of brands and types of coffee and told Mark that he could take his pick--choose whatever type of coffee he wanted. Mark was so shocked that he literally began hyperventilating--the concept of choice was so hard for him to handle that he went into shock. Apparently, he said, in Russia, if you want to buy coffee at a store, you have to stand in line and they simply ration it out to you. And if they run out, then too bad.

So the concept of choice and abundant availability of a product was so shocking to Mark because it conflicted with the worldview that he was indoctrinated with from youth, having been born and brought up in a totalitarian system in the Soviet Union, in which the state basically decrees to you what you can or cannot do or think, how much you can eat, what you can eat, where you can work, etc. He realized that he was basically being lied to by his own government, under the pretext that they were protecting him. The concept of free choice was, as such, alien to him.

So, I guess, (to cut a long lecture short), it's a big deal, and something one takes for granted in a progressive western society like the US. At the same time, however, this is a society in which the media is being increasingly being dominated by monolithic conglomerates, so the issue of freedom of information is still a valid issue.

Point is, that's the whole point of the internet, of a forum like this one--expressing your point of view, however different it may be--having a voice and getting your point across, even if no one agrees with you. So I think it's a pretty important issue, and no less relevant today than at any time in the past. People should be free to speak their minds--that's what the forefathers of this great nation fought for (well, one of the things, at least--to them taxation without representation was the real fighting cause). And, also, it's one of the reason's that the Reagan administration challenged the Soviet Union (the other being capitalism, of course).

That's me on my soapbox! I'm just glad we're having a discussion here and that people are freely expressing their points of view, because that's what an internet forum is all about, right? So thank you all again!



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history *is* moralizing
censorship is everywhere and it sucks!

mine would be Voyage au bout de la nuit (Journey to the End of the Night (1932; Eng. trans., 1943) , Céline.
not exactly, really, officially banned, but banned from schools in any case, in what they call a French democracy! (here we are again with the Iraqi Election Thread... )

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Last night, I was watching a movie on DVD that addressed exactly these issues. The movie was Skokie, starring Danny Kaye and Carl Reiner. It was a very insightful and interesting film addressing very controversial issues surrounding the first amendment and I highly recommend it to everyone.

Basically, the movie is about a group of neo-Nazis based in Chicago who want to organize a rally in the nearby town of Skokie, IL. The town is predominantly composed of a Jewish community. When the designs of the neo-Nazis come to light, this provokes a hostile and even borderline violent reaction among the Jewish community, many of whom are holocaust survivors. Danny Kaye plays Max Feldman, a holocaust survivor who acts as the most vocal protestor against the neo-Nazis. His passionate objections sparks a series of protests and demonstrations, ultimately resulting in a court injunction prohibiting the Nazis from rallying in Skokie. John Rubinstein plays Herb Lewison, a defense lawyer working for the ACLU who is cast into the unlikely role of defending the Nazis in court. His argument is, basically, in favor of the first amendment under all circumstances, because, he claims, the first amendment is the best defense against any form of authoritarian or totalitarian leanings in society. However, he comes across as a Jew defending Nazis in court, and, as such, his position alienates him from his own community. The movie portrays how the Nazis are, initially, barred from rallying, thanks to injunctions by lower courts. However, upon appeal, the supreme court upholds the first amendment (in the movie). In the end, however, the Nazis cut a deal with politicians and are allowed to rally elsewhere, so for the holocaust survivors, it is a victory of sorts.

The movie is very profound and deals with tricky and controversial issues in a very sensitive manner. It addresses the pain of holocaust survivors and the passion of the protestors placing them in stark antithesis to the cold cynicism of the Nazis and the distance and insensitivity of politicians and lawyers. All in all, the movie makes a strong statement, but one that is not necessarily easy to digest or comprehend. It is an affirmation of human rights and civil liberties as well as a scathing condemnation of people (like the neo-Nazis and politicians) who cynically seek to manipulate the system to further personal gain.



Originally Posted by LordSlaytan
The movie of the same name is awful.

Anyway, most of Hunter S. Thompson's books, and all of William S. Burroughs' books (and even Bukowski's) have been banned at a library that I go to. Ridiculous.
Originally Posted by Electric Wizard
Hmm so you can buy it.. I was mislead.. Thanks Slay
Yeah, but you're probably put on some FBI watch-list. It wouldn't suprise me. Maybe I'm just paranoid.



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Originally Posted by darkhorse
The concept of free choice was, as such, alien to him.
So, I guess, (to cut a long lecture short), it's a big deal, and something one takes for granted in a progressive western society like the US.
i prefer to quote that Russian writer who emigrated to the US and said something like:
i came from a country where you're not allowed to say anything, and moved to a country where you may say whatever you think, and all you say is totally useless.



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Cencorship sucks, its all over the place especially in schools, Hmmm can some one day 1984! Big brother is here and its only a matter of time untill the government takes comeplete controll!
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Originally Posted by Conformist
Big brother is here and its only a matter of time untill the government takes comeplete controll!
Your starting to sound like Django/Darkhorse...
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sorry but its true in some cases! I mean honestly how many laws in the past 10 years have been created to take away allot of rights????



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Originally Posted by Conformist
sorry but its true in some cases! I mean honestly how many laws in the past 10 years have been created to take away allot of rights????
Which has affected you how? This statement reeks of bandwagon jumping. Please list exactly which rights you are talking about. The only new legislation that has affected me is the RAVE act, as someone used it to shutdown a music event, but they shut it down out of fear, and no one had brought any charges/problems against the organizer. I would think that was more the effect of media coverage of the new law, than the actual law.



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I cant really think of some, except for some of the smoking laws, and others such as like patriot acts this whole state testing and crap! but still I dont like some of the things that are going on!



Originally Posted by chicagofrog
i prefer to quote that Russian writer who emigrated to the US and said something like:
i came from a country where you're not allowed to say anything, and moved to a country where you may say whatever you think, and all you say is totally useless.
Of course you would enjoy that.

Damn Frenchy know it all.



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