well, I didn't say anything was wrong with taking movies seriously. Although im sure that he isn't the nicest of people when he's talkin to me.
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Just saw this on IMDB:
It's not sourced, so take it with a grain of salt. Certainly fits the pattern, though, and Giger's own personal history.
Conceptual artist H.R. Giger's designs were changed several times because of their blatant sexuality.
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Originally Posted by Charismasloverno5
Some people go way too deep into movies.
I'll remind you, this site is specifically for "going deep into movies", and I question why one would come here if they didn't think deeply about films, but that is just me.
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Originally Posted by Sedai
and I question why one would come here if they didn't think deeply about films, but that is just me.
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Charismasloverno5 -
A movie like Alien, or any good movie in my opinion, is one that uses the story as a metaphor while still making the surface story entertaining. Something very difficult to do but very powerful when done right.
Ernest Hemingway used metaphors, most notably in his book The Old Man And The Sea, while still being able to keep the main story on point without making it obvious. He actually said this, in regards to that story:
"Then there is the other secret. There isn't any symbolysm (mis-spelled). The sea is the sea. The old man is an old man. The boy is a boy and the fish is a fish. The sharks are all sharks no better and no worse. All the symbolism that people say is ****. What goes beyond is what you see beyond when you know." - Hemingway
My point is that when a talented artist creates a story often times they'll use that story as a medium to express a view of their own. Case and point, Ridley Scott is a talented artist who, in my opinion, carries the ability to make a film multi-layered.
A movie like Alien, or any good movie in my opinion, is one that uses the story as a metaphor while still making the surface story entertaining. Something very difficult to do but very powerful when done right.
Ernest Hemingway used metaphors, most notably in his book The Old Man And The Sea, while still being able to keep the main story on point without making it obvious. He actually said this, in regards to that story:
"Then there is the other secret. There isn't any symbolysm (mis-spelled). The sea is the sea. The old man is an old man. The boy is a boy and the fish is a fish. The sharks are all sharks no better and no worse. All the symbolism that people say is ****. What goes beyond is what you see beyond when you know." - Hemingway
My point is that when a talented artist creates a story often times they'll use that story as a medium to express a view of their own. Case and point, Ridley Scott is a talented artist who, in my opinion, carries the ability to make a film multi-layered.
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Originally Posted by PimpDaShizzle V2.0
Charismasloverno5 -
A movie like Alien, or any good movie in my opinion, is one that uses the story as a metaphor while still making the surface story entertaining. Something very difficult to do but very powerful when done right...
A movie like Alien, or any good movie in my opinion, is one that uses the story as a metaphor while still making the surface story entertaining. Something very difficult to do but very powerful when done right...
I'm not sure why people are getting worked up over sexual symbolism when the overt topic is reproduction. Crazy conservatives.
Birds to it.
Bees do it.
Even aliens and fleas do it!
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Nah, I agreed with you...though I think that post may have come prior...but either way I agree.
People are defenseless when they're doing the nasty or have just done the nasty, when is there a better time to shatter them?
People are defenseless when they're doing the nasty or have just done the nasty, when is there a better time to shatter them?
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That makes sense too!
Considering how many reasons we've come up with, it's a wonder anyone gets killed while not having sex...
Considering how many reasons we've come up with, it's a wonder anyone gets killed while not having sex...
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The Pimp is on point...Yoda has me watching Alien again tonight...Good discussion!
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Originally Posted by 2wrongs
Nobody thinks it's what I said? The more distracted you are the easier you are to kill? What's more distracting than sex?
(ok, been a while, but i kinda remember...)
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It's more than I hoped for! I scanned through the replies and so far, deep or shallow it's all equally valid. I have much to add but not enough time. I'll be back in a few days. In the mean time, keep the spice flowin' as I'll be scanning every chance I get. Thanks for all the input!
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Originally Posted by Yoda
In his book, Monsters From The Id, E. Michael Jones suggests that many horror films/stories were created (conciously or otherwise) to represent the supposed horrors of sexual promsicuity. That they are a metaphor for the danger of sexual desire when it is not tamed or tempered in some way.
He takes his case too far, no doubt, but does provide a number of insights along the way. Most impressive is his breakdown of Alien (and its sequels), which he argues is partially a metaphor for abortion and sexual freedom. He demonstrates this through a number of observation:
In other words, Ripley -- the strong, independent woman -- ultimately cannot escape biology, despite using many technological means to try to do so throughout the series of films.
He takes his case too far, no doubt, but does provide a number of insights along the way. Most impressive is his breakdown of Alien (and its sequels), which he argues is partially a metaphor for abortion and sexual freedom. He demonstrates this through a number of observation:
- The spaceship the crew enters in Alien on the strange planet looks an awful lot like a pair of open legs. Inside, they find eggs.
- The alien itself lives in your stomach and, when it burts out, looks a hell of a lot like a fetus.
- At one point in the series, Ripley is "impregnated" by the alien via a very phallic-looking extension of the Alien's mouth. The aforementioned fetus-like creature in her stomach results.
- At the end of the first film, Ripley cavorts around the spaceship in her underwear with her cat (single woman living alone, anyone?) before discovering that the alien (pregnancy) is lurking there. She then kills it via suction (one way in which abortions are performed), but must watch it dangle outside the ship by a cord placed right in its midsection (ambilocal cord).
In other words, Ripley -- the strong, independent woman -- ultimately cannot escape biology, despite using many technological means to try to do so throughout the series of films.
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