White Supremacist rams Car through Counter Protestors, Killing 1

What racism ? Muslims can belong to any race---arab Asian white black .

To me ( an atheist ) Islam is more an ideology than a religion.

^he likes to hide behind that. helps him sleep @ night

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Yeah... The worst racists are the ones who say: me? racist?

If I start answering this , the thread will go in different direction . So I will quit it .

Actually, the worst racists are the ones always pointing the finger and crying "racist" and who like to see or find racism everywhere even when it doesn't exist.

funny the picture you chose... does free speech includes the neonazi protest screaming "Jews will not replace us"?

and regarding your comment... anyone who has seen ashdoc posts in the past can state he has a prejudice against muslims.. now you can call that racism or just hate speech. to me that's overpopulating the planet.

lol, pointing out racism in others isn't racist

nice try tho

Okay. So what do we call it? PCism?

The picture was chosen because there's a story behind it - apparently members of PC got up in arms calling the photo of the baby "white supremacy" and the group that had posted it as part of its advertising (the ACLU) removed the picture and agreed that somehow a photo of a baby holding an American flag and a toy is "racist."

Unfortunately, free speech includes all offensive speech - the point of it is to allow all speech equally. That's the uncomfortable thing about equality: everyone has to be given the same rights and we are now seeing efforts to remove our equal liberties.

If it's any consolation, consider that free speech exposes people and if we start outlawing speech it might become harder to identify who the haters are.

What free speech does not protect is violent actions.

If or when Islam is a topic, it's not racism as Islam is not a race and has members of all races.

Everyone is overpopulating the planet.

I saw something the other day that hate crimes against Jewish Americans are up 89% since January. What the hell have Jewish Americans done to deserve that? It's all gone to hell in a hand basket.

i aint got no clue, cause your initial post, the whole 'calling people racists that aren't actually racist' is too vague to say. also, we'd probably not agree on what is and isn't racist. i'm sure in the end you'd just say i was one of those people. we can go down that road if you want, though i can already kinda see where it'll go, knowing you, and knowing me.

I think you presume to know me or what I stand for.
I don't know enough about you to say who you are.

If we go back a week or so, according to some in the MSM, any white male who is not a member of BLM or Anti-fa is a Nazi (or at least an alt-right white nationalist or KKK member).
It's this kind of influenced generalized thinking (a.k.a. prejudice, bigotry and racism) being spread around on news media that is a source of the problems we're discussing.

The vast majority of the population, no matter their race, are not extremists.

My accusation about those who see or look for racism in every situation is based on the idea that their motivation is usually racism - why else would someone look at a picture of a baby with a flag and say it's promoting white supremacy? Anyone who'd call a photo of a baby of any race holding a flag some kind of ethnic supremacist statement is operating from racism, rather than just seeing a baby holding the flag of her country.

i'm REALLY tired today and i could not be bothered to edit this or put more effort in. apologies in advance if it's kind of a rambled mess

well, i am presuming, but it's based on a lot of lengthy posts you've written over time. i can read, i can comprehend. the stuff you're saying in this post and others isn't like, 'whoa, i didn't know Steel felt that way', lol. just like the **** i'm about to say isn't the first time i've said something like it either

not sure what MSM is, but i honestly think this is a reach. no one that i've come across actually thinks everyone that isn't in Black Lives Matter or Antifa is a Nazi; i'm not a member of either, and no one thinks i'm a nazi. i do think, though, that people get angry because they see people spending more effort defending nazi's right to free speech than anything else. the people who are annoyed with the whole 'punch a Nazi in the face' mantra, saying 'violence isn't the answer', but they never say that when there's another media splashed story about a cop killing an unarmed black kid.

these are just random examples, but it's this kind of stuff that makes people think that while maybe these people aren't neo nazis or KKK members, necessarily, they certainly are very passionate about making sure neo nazis and KKK members still have all their rights. it's a problematic viewpoint, and i can't really trust a person's true motives when they spend any amount of real effort on it. like that's the most important thing to take away from it all.

agreed. and while i'm at it, i'm sure there probably are people out there calling everyone who doesn't agree with them Nazis or racists, but, like you said - the vast majority of people don't think that.

see, i have a problem with the phrase 'looking for racism.' that's a presumption.

This almost seems like a trick: people suggest we restrict free speech specifically because of Nazis, and when someone disagrees, it's "boy, it sure is suspicious that you're concerned with Nazis' rights."

I suppose it'd be kinda suspicious if someone just volunteered that Nazis should have free speech, completely unprompted, but that's not what's happening. What's happening is that people talking about curtailing speech are choosing to make Nazis the focal point of the debate specifically because their speech is abhorrent, and people defending free speech are simply responding to that.

I think the "more effort" thing is usually a deviation from the argument, as well. I assume you hate it when someone questions your feminism by telling you women in third world countries have it worse. Talking about the amount of "effort" people expend defending free speech relative to some other outrage is basically the same thing.

Freedom of hate speech doesnt exist on the net, or in many countries. It's even been challenged in good ole Murica. Pulling out the old OMG this is censorship and I have a right to freedom of speech when people are pulled up on hate speech is really ridiculous. Or just toally ignorant.

This is exactly what I'm against. I have no problem condemning ACTUAL racism but for the past few years there's always these hardcore PC creeps that scour the internet and have heart attacks because they convince themselves that something's racist when there's actually nothing racist about it. The above photo is a perfect example, it's a child for Christ's sake, and people are actually saying that this photo of a child = white supremacy. It's just nauseating to think about...

It depends on the context.

I heard a radio show discussing the Colin Kaepernick protest (the football player who kneels during the national anthem to somehow protest the USA and support BLM) and the host said that freedom of speech doesn't apply at one's job. The announcer pointed out that he's not allowed to say anything he wants while on the radio because he's at work, he's being paid and he must comply with both FCC regulations and the rules of his employers at the broadcast company.

As far as the net - I don't know of anything governing it. We know groups like ISIS proliferate with hate speech on the net, yet things like child porn distribution is shut down and people are arrested. Many have asked why the same enforcement of illegal pornography on the net can't be applied to terrorist groups? And I wonder the same.

I'm sorry, but hate speech is not included in free speech! And that's not my opinion, you can actually go to jail in any civilized country because of it.

So, you're calling me a political correct person because I disliked a comment displaying hate against a group of people. Where I come from that's called being decent. So, if you're stuck on the technicality of Muslims being a race or not, that's because either you are too political correct or you didn't understand my point.

Here, I'll make it clearer: people who have any hate towards any race, gender, religion or culture do not deserve the air they breath. And that includes a great number of Trump supporters.
Is that political incorrect enough for you?

A big question is: what's more nauseating, the people saying this little child promotes white supremacy or the ACLU's capitulation in agreeing with them?