Citizen Rules...Cinemaesque Chat-n-Review

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Ahh...as soon as I seen Vic Tayback I had to smile! He's a great character in any movie that he's in. I want to see Alice the tv series now.

I really liked The Big Bus thank you for recommending it to me. You're doing pretty good with your recommendations too. So keep them coming You guys said it was kind of like Airplane, but to me the style of the humor was completely different. The Big Bus was more like Young Frankenstein at least IMO.Yeah, I knew Sally Kellerman was in MASH the movie, but I had forgotten that Rene Auberjonois was in it. I live MASH the tv series in fact I'm currently watching that. But I never cared for MASH the movie, then again I don't care for Robert Altman movies. When I seen Rene Auberjonois as a priest, I was like, it's Odo! from Deep Space Nine.


Same here about MASH - a case where the TV series was far better than the movie.
It's fun that you liked the Big Bus, but didn't like Airplane! When the reaction was the complete opposite with 70's movie audiences - Bus flopped and Airplane! was a huge money-making hit in the theater.

I've always been intrigued by Rene Auberjonois's name - I'm surprised he didn't change it and respect that he didn't (unless Auberjonois is not his real name??? That would be really hard to believe!) Of all Trek series Deep Space Nine was my least favorite - but I did like his character of Odo. I also remember him being on Benson(?)



Tugg, have you seen many Coen Brothers movies? I've only seen a few and I think the Coen's have potential but they seem not to be able to write characters three dimensional.
I've seen many. Some of them I saw long time ago and couldn't comment. Other movies are among my very favorites: "Barton Fink", "Fargo", "The Big Lebowski", "The Man Who Wasn't There". I think their movies express absurdity of situations, various storylines and life itself. Their movies are not necessarily "character- centric", but can have them. For example one of my favorite characters is Charlie Meadows by John Goodman in "Barton Fink". But overall, just like in "Hial, Ceasar!" Coens are more about situations and how they play out rather than characters.

"Miller's Crossing" is at the top of my watch list and I'd like to see some other acclaimed films of theirs. For example I didn't like "No Country for Old Men" when it was released, but I might change my mind if I re-watch it.



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I have never seen Benson, well I might have caught a few minutes of it once. I watched Soap, where his character Benson got started. I've seen Auberjonois in a few things, that name always stands out in the credits. And no! I can't pronounce it.

Hmm...you're not a big fan of DSN, I don't think GBG is either. I love all the Trek TV shows, but DSN is my favorite as it wasn't episodic like the other series, but had a continuing story and character arches, like a soap opera. And I'm a sucker for melo-drama.

You know why I think, The Big Bus flopped? lack of money for advertising and that what the hell just happened type ending. I mean it just ends as the bus breaks in two. If they would have just had a scene where they pull into Denver and are greeted by pretty girl with champagne...and then as they pat each other on the back and laugh...the bus in the background, blows up. Then that film would be more memorable.

Catch ya latter!



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I've seen many. Some of them I saw long time ago and couldn't comment. Other movies are among my very favorites: "Barton Fink", "Fargo", "The Big Lebowski", "The Man Who Wasn't There". I think their movies express absurdity of situations, various storylines and life itself. Their movies are not necessarily "character- centric", but can have them. For example one of my favorite characters is Charlie Meadows by John Goodman in "Barton Fink". But overall, just like in "Hial, Ceasar!" Coens are more about situations and how they play out rather than characters.

"Miller's Crossing" is at the top of my watch list and I'd like to see some other acclaimed films of theirs. For example I didn't like "No Country for Old Men" when it was released, but I might change my mind if I re-watch it.
Thanks Tugg, I need to see a few more Coen's before I decide about them. I once said I didn't like Woody Allen movies, then Markf and Sean challanged me to watch more of them, and guess what? I ended up doing a 180 and liking Woody Allen as a director. I think I'll try to watch a few of those Coen films you mentioned.



I have never seen Benson, well I might have caught a few minutes of it once. I watched Soap, where his character Benson got started. I've seen Auberjonois in a few things, that name always stands out in the credits. And no! I can't pronounce it.

Hmm...you're not a big fan of DSN, I don't think GBG is either. I love all the Trek TV shows, but DSN is my favorite as it wasn't episodic like the other series, but had a continuing story and character arches, like a soap opera. And I'm a sucker for melo-drama.

You know why I think, The Big Bus flopped? lack of money for advertising and that what the hell just happened type ending. I mean it just ends as the bus breaks in two. If they would have just had a scene where they pull into Denver and are greeted by pretty girl with champagne...and then as they pat each other on the back and laugh...the bus in the background, blows up. Then that film would be more memorable.

Catch ya latter!
Just for fun (don't know why but I made it a point to memorize how to pronounce Auberjonois' name)... Oh-bear-zhen-wah.
The "zhen" part is like how we pronounce the "s" in "vision" where the "s" has a combination "z" and "sh" sound.

I'll have to get my DVD out to watch the end of the Big Bus again. I remember it breaking in two. I remember it dangling on a cliff (I guess that's before it breaks in two)?
My only guess as to what they were trying to do was have it seem like there'd need to be a sequel to see what happened after it split in two?

I think I would've liked a Love Boat type ending with each character disembarking & saying goodbye to the crew (each having some joke or punchline to offer).



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Red Skies of Montana (1952)

Director: Joseph M. Newman
Cast: Richard Widmark, Constance Smith, Jeffrey Hunter
Genre: Action, Adventure, Drama

This is one very unique movie, I've never seen another film quite like it.
It's about a group of U. S. Forest Service, Smoke Jumpers, who parachute into the back country to fight forest fires in the mountains of Montana. This is based on a real story that happened in 1949 and killed 12 smoke jumpers who were trapped by the flames.

Red Skies of Montana
is unusual film for it's time as it did actual on location filming in the national forest in Montana. This on location shooting makes the film look very authentic. Those are real trees on fire! And a lot of the scenes are filmed outside in the real back country, fighting fires or smoke jumping out of a plane. And unlike other movies of this type this is very focused on one thing, telling the story of the smoke jumpers and the tragedy that befalls them.

Richard Widmark is in top form here. He's right for the role and looks at home covered in dirt and ash. Also look for a young Jeffrey Hunter as one of the smoke jumper. Jeffrey is best known for playing Captain Pike in the original Star Trek TV pilot. And if you look real close you will catch a glimpse of a very young Charles Bronson serving soup to the hungry men in their bunk house.

I've seen over dramatized movies on this subject bet never one that seemed so factual. I enjoyed it and it's in full technicolor too.

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WarGames (1983)
Director: John Badham
Writers: Lawrence Lasker, Walter F. Parkes
Cast: Matthew Broderick, Ally Sheedy, John Wood
Genre: Thriller


About: A young computer hacker accidentally finds a back door into NORAD's military computer, the one that controls all the nukes! When the young man David (Matthew Broderick) unwittingly plays what he thinks is an innocent game with the NORAD computer, he starts the clock ticking on WW3.

Background
: This movie actually
inspired the U.S. Congress to create, the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act of 1984. A clip of this movie showing David hacking into another computer over the telephone was shown to members of congress as proof of the dangers of hackers. Of course now we know how ridiculous that is, without computers being networked a simple phone call from a 1983 home computer will not hack into NORAD. Still congressmen bought this movie as conceivable! And that speaks to the power of this movie from over 33 years ago.



The set that was built for the NORAD command center for this movie was the most expensive set ever constructed, at the time and cost a cool 1 million to build. Even by today's standards the NORAD set looks amazing!

If you expect to see Ferris Bueller playing with war computers, you won't see it. Mathew Broderick plays his character serious and he never breaks the fourth wall. He does a good job at fitting into a very serious and exciting movie.

Ally Sheedy plays the girl and she's good at that.



I dig that scene with the cryptic numbers glowing on their chest. The mark of their responsibility.

War Games, surprisingly holds up well, and hey you get to see some antique computers too, how neat is that.





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Never head of that before. Only a 6.6 on IMDb but it actually sounds pretty damn good.
Ahh, what do they know at IMDB? It's not the typical 1950s drama-action-romance, it's pretty focused and the special effects looked amazing. I think you'd like it.



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Always (Steven Spielberg, 1989)
Director: Steven Spielberg
Cast: Richard Dreyfuss, Holly Hunter, Brad Johnson
Genre: Fantasy, Romanc


Always
, is one of those movies that have something for everyone. I myself, liked the fire fighting scenes...the scenes of the old planes flying low over the roaring fire to drop water & retardant to put out the flames. I thought the flying scenes and the forest fires were well done. I was on the edge of my seat! I really like the way that was filmed.

I knew the plane they flew was an old WWII plane, as you could see where the forward mounted gun turret had been mounted in the plexiglass nosecone. That plane was a Douglas A-26 Invader, very cool to see it fly!

I didn't care for the fantasy scenes with Hap (Audrey Hepburn). Luckily those were only a couple minutes long and are not a deal breaker. Oh...I thought Audrey looked great for a 64 year old woman, sad it's her last movie.

The only other scene/character I didn't like was the old hobo, I thought that was over the top, which is Spielberg's trademark. But once again that scene is like 2 minutes max so no big deal.

Brad Johnson who played Ted...plain didn't work. He was an OK actor but he was physical wrong for the part. He has this leading man, alpha male look and when we see him we've been conditioned to think that type of guy has woman throwing themselves at his feet. So he just didn't suit the role. Though the glasses did help him look more humble. But he was way too tall and damn! Holy Hunter is tiny!





Spotlight (Tom McCarthy 2015)
Director: Tom McCarthy
Writers: Josh Singer, Tom McCarthy
Cast: Mark Ruffalo, Michael Keaton, Rachel McAdams
Genre: Biography, Crime, Drama


About: Based on the true life story of the Boston Globe newspapers investigate efforts to uncover a massive cover up scandal, involving child molestation by priest in the Catholic Church and the cover up by the community.

Wow, what a powerful movie and sadly it's all true. Spotlight won the Academy Award for Best Picture and and another Academy Award for Best Screen Play. In this reviewers opinion it was well deserving of both Oscars.

Spotlight is reminiscent of the 1976 classic All The President's Men. The focus of the movie is on the investigative efforts of a four person team at the Boston Globe called Spotlight. We follow the bread crumb evidence as the investigate team seek out and find new information to prove this huge conspiracy.

This is not a character driven movie, we hardly get to know the back story and personalities of the news reporters. We don't need to know much about them. The focus is on the uncovering of the molestation scandal.

We don't see much action, we don't see any of the priest actually abuse the kids. We do learn that an estimated 6% of Catholic Priest are involved in molesting children. We learn that the Catholic hierarchic including the Cardinal, look the other way as this abuse happens. In Boston alone we learn that there is a shocking 87 priest confirmed by their victims as abusing children.

I thought Michael Keaton was perfect in the role of the lead news investigator and I liked Rachel McAdams too.


Finally watched Spotlight. It was good and as you described, Rules.

It may not have been direct, but the inferences in the film are definitely an indictment of the Catholic Church. Based on the nationwide & worldwide list at the end of the film of places where the abuse was prevalent and covered up, the Church seemed to be a sanctuary for pedophiles... basically an underground base of operations for NAMBLA!

I can also see how this movie would not appeal to the typical movie-going audience (who are hungry for action, toilet humor, and undecipherable CGI). So I'm wondering how it won a Best Picture award.



I'd give her a HA! and a HI-YA! Then I'd kick her.

WarGames (1983)
Director: John Badham
Writers: Lawrence Lasker, Walter F. Parkes
Cast: Matthew Broderick, Ally Sheedy, John Wood
Genre: Thriller


About: A young computer hacker accidentally finds a back door into NORAD's military computer, the one that controls all the nukes! When the young man David (Matthew Broderick) unwittingly plays what he thinks is an innocent game with the NORAD computer, he starts the clock ticking on WW3.

Background
: This movie actually
inspired the U.S. Congress to create, the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act of 1984. A clip of this movie showing David hacking into another computer over the telephone was shown to members of congress as proof of the dangers of hackers. Of course now we know how ridiculous that is, without computers being networked a simple phone call from a 1983 home computer will not hack into NORAD. Still congressmen bought this movie as conceivable! And that speaks to the power of this movie from over 33 years ago.



The set that was built for the NORAD command center for this movie was the most expensive set ever constructed, at the time and cost a cool 1 million to build. Even by today's standards the NORAD set looks amazing!

If you expect to see Ferris Bueller playing with war computers, you won't see it. Mathew Broderick plays his character serious and he never breaks the fourth wall. He does a good job at fitting into a very serious and exciting movie.

Ally Sheedy plays the girl and she's good at that.



I dig that scene with the cryptic numbers glowing on their chest. The mark of their responsibility.

War Games, surprisingly holds up well, and hey you get to see some antique computers too, how neat is that.



Despite it being a bit dated, I love WarGames. It's a great blend of comedy, drama, thriller, and even a bit of sci-fi.
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I'd give her a HA! and a HI-YA! Then I'd kick her.

Always (Steven Spielberg, 1989)
Director: Steven Spielberg
Cast: Richard Dreyfuss, Holly Hunter, Brad Johnson
Genre: Fantasy, Romanc


Always
, is one of those movies that have something for everyone. I myself, liked the fire fighting scenes...the scenes of the old planes flying low over the roaring fire to drop water & retardant to put out the flames. I thought the flying scenes and the forest fires were well done. I was on the edge of my seat! I really like the way that was filmed.

I knew the plane they flew was an old WWII plane, as you could see where the forward mounted gun turret had been mounted in the plexiglass nosecone. That plane was a Douglas A-26 Invader, very cool to see it fly!

I didn't care for the fantasy scenes with Hap (Audrey Hepburn). Luckily those were only a couple minutes long and are not a deal breaker. Oh...I thought Audrey looked great for a 64 year old woman, sad it's her last movie.

The only other scene/character I didn't like was the old hobo, I thought that was over the top, which is Spielberg's trademark. But once again that scene is like 2 minutes max so no big deal.

Brad Johnson who played Ted...plain didn't work. He was an OK actor but he was physical wrong for the part. He has this leading man, alpha male look and when we see him we've been conditioned to think that type of guy has woman throwing themselves at his feet. So he just didn't suit the role. Though the glasses did help him look more humble. But he was way too tall and damn! Holy Hunter is tiny!


Despite it's flaws, I love Always. Did you ever get a chance to see the original version, A Guy Named Joe, or are you waiting for the 1940's countdown?



I'd give her a HA! and a HI-YA! Then I'd kick her.
Finally watched Spotlight. It was good and as you described, Rules.

It may not have been direct, but the inferences in the film are definitely an indictment of the Catholic Church. Based on the nationwide & worldwide list at the end of the film of places where the abuse was prevalent and covered up, the Church seemed to be a sanctuary for pedophiles... basically an underground base of operations for NAMBLA!

I can also see how this movie would not appeal to the typical movie-going audience (who are hungry for action, toilet humor, and undecipherable CGI). So I'm wondering how it won a Best Picture award.

I don't think that Spotlight was the best picture of the year, but I was glad to see it won the Oscar for Best Picture because I thought it was better than most of the other movies that were nominated.



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Finally watched Spotlight. It was good and as you described, Rules.

It may not have been direct, but the inferences in the film are definitely an indictment of the Catholic Church. Based on the nationwide & worldwide list at the end of the film of places where the abuse was prevalent and covered up, the Church seemed to be a sanctuary for pedophiles... basically an underground base of operations for NAMBLA!

I can also see how this movie would not appeal to the typical movie-going audience (who are hungry for action, toilet humor, and undecipherable CGI). So I'm wondering how it won a Best Picture award.
My take is: sometimes the Academy has the guts to do the right thing in picking Best Picture of the year. It would have had my vote for best pic. It's a gutsy movie and yet it doesn't scream at the viewer. The Catholic Church at the time was directly responsible for untold numbers of child molestation. Very sad, scratch that, very sick! I'm glad you watched it and I liked the movie.

Despite it being a bit dated, I love WarGames. It's a great blend of comedy, drama, thriller, and even a bit of sci-fi.
I hadn't seen War Games in like 30 years I thought it was going to be a light comedy but it was a good thriller.

Yes I did see A Guy Named Joe and reviewed it too. Thanks for recommending it to me. Between you and Captain, I get to find out about a bunch of neat movies

A Guy Named Joe, my review

http://www.movieforums.com/community...45#post1535445



I'd give her a HA! and a HI-YA! Then I'd kick her.
Yes I did see A Guy Named Joe and reviewed it too. Thanks for recommending it to me. Between you and Captain, I get to find out about a bunch of neat movies

A Guy Named Joe, my review

http://www.movieforums.com/community...45#post1535445

Thanks for the link, (and the reminder). I read your review, and I even replied to it. I just didn't remember, probably because it's been so crazy around here since the manhole went "BOOM!", (and believe or not, we're still having some power problems, and no gas for cooking ).




The Big Bus (1976)
Director: James Frawley
Cast: Joseph Bologna, Stockard Channing, John Beck, Sally Kellerman, Lynn Redgrave, Richard Mulligan
Genre: Comedy Action Spoof
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Enjoyed your review Citizen and glad you enjoyed the movie, If I had one minor disagreement with you, it would be regarding Ruth Gordon...her character/performance did nothing for me, but other than that, your review is pretty much on the money.



Thanks Gideon! I made that montage picture myself, which I though showed the movie better than I could describe it.
Wow! Pretty good, Rules!

The shot of the parking lot reminds me of one gag in the movie, but I can't remember how it goes... I think it was a tour bus or something picking up all the reporters in press pool (?), then it drives around the parking lot and drops them all off at exactly the same spot as it picked them up?

I just remember it being one of the stupidest yet funniest gags. I like stupid humor like that. I'm definitely going to have to watch it again since I can't remember all these stupid gags.



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Wow! Pretty good, Rules!

The shot of the parking lot reminds me of one gag in the movie, but I can't remember how it goes... I think it was a tour bus or something picking up all the reporters in press pool (?), then it drives around the parking lot and drops them all off at exactly the same spot as it picked them up?

I just remember it being one of the stupidest yet funniest gags. I like stupid humor like that. I'm definitely going to have to watch it again since I can't remember all these stupid gags.
That van in the parking lot gag made me laugh out loud. I laughed a number of times at stuff in the movie. It's funny!

Yup you need to watch it again....You know what film The Big Bus reminds me of and it's one I recommended to you before is Space Station 76 (2014)...Don't let the dismal IMDB rating of 4.9 throw you, this is a funny clever movie. I'm sure most of those reviewers had no clue of what the 70s were like, so the comedy went over their heads.

My review of Space Station 76